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Where should a Spinoff of this RP be based? (ROUND II)

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Postby The NAR » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:22 pm

Yo, we can't build Vertibirds.
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Postby Ironsbad » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:23 pm

Hey Tuckducken, would you like to go into business with me?

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Postby Alouite » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:46 pm

The NAR wrote:Yo, we can't build Vertibirds.

Yo, the FRoM can. I have a steel industry to make the parts and Castor is the only person in our canon that has the blueprints for them.
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Postby Alouite » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:48 pm

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Cainesland wrote:Thank you for that, I didn't know about that division. I suppose the several trucks and up to three scavenged tanks is ok provided that proper maintenance and fuel is carried out on them. Unless Alouite has anything to add here as an op.

Yea, I believe it was like three trucks at the camp anyway, but it could be around 5 or so. Either way, I never really plan to use them anyway due to the hazardeous conditions of the roads in Fallout. And even then, we don't have anywhere we need to be fast in Fallout. Only thing I may ever use those trucks for, is transporting Artillery somewhere if we ever get any during the RP as we can't carry that by hand.

Please provide a source for there to be functional vehicles used by the NCR in the RP or Official Fallout Canon other than captured vertibirds. Otherwise any vehicles that are not Vertibirds are null.
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Postby The NAR » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:48 pm

Alouite wrote:
The NAR wrote:Yo, we can't build Vertibirds.

Yo, the FRoM can. I have a steel industry to make the parts and Castor is the only person in our canon that has the blueprints for them.

The hell? We have steel from the Pitt and blueprints (by now), but you won't let us make them. You guys give me crap and say I can't produce power armor, but you can make Vertibird's Willy nilly? It's OP
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Postby Ironsbad » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:51 pm

Also considering that Vertabirds are fueled by nuclear power...

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Postby The NAR » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:52 pm

Ironsbad wrote:Also considering that Vertabirds are fueled by nuclear power...

Yeah, the Brotherhood can't even make them. Nobody has the facilities needed to power them
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Postby Alouite » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:52 pm

The NAR wrote:
Alouite wrote:Yo, the FRoM can. I have a steel industry to make the parts and Castor is the only person in our canon that has the blueprints for them.

The hell? We have steel from the Pitt and blueprints (by now), but you won't let us make them. You guys give me crap and say I can't produce power armor, but you can make Vertibird's Willy nilly? It's OP


No, it was possible in the old RP canon, we just didn't have suppliers to our steel industry, besides, it'd take time for us to build them. And you can't say you'd have the blueprints by now because there is no canon blueprints in the east and the Enclave weren't able to produce vertibirds in the east. And it isn't willy nilly either, it'd take months to roll one out, and a lot of money, and we'd still need to decide on a fuel source. As for power armor, Raven Rock was the only production facility in the east that I am aware of, and well, you blew it up. But to recreate a facility built pre-war is something no faction will be able to do for a long while. Besides, the FRoM has no air support, even with a production program underway, by the time we have one ready to fly our conflict will likely be decided.
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Postby Alouite » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:54 pm

The NAR wrote:
Ironsbad wrote:Also considering that Vertabirds are fueled by nuclear power...

Yeah, the Brotherhood can't even make them. Nobody has the facilities needed to power them

Wrong again bud, there are plenty of examples of fusion core reactors in Fallout 4. Vertibirds likely could run on one of those reactors seeing as they power buildings and power armor, so it would be very difficult and take a lot of time, but we could build one eventually. But before I get into describing it, I'd like to ask you this; do you know a thing or two about mechanical engineering? (and I ask this sincerely, not as a gotcha question)
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Postby The NAR » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:56 pm

Alouite wrote:
The NAR wrote:The hell? We have steel from the Pitt and blueprints (by now), but you won't let us make them. You guys give me crap and say I can't produce power armor, but you can make Vertibird's Willy nilly? It's OP


No, it was possible in the old RP canon, we just didn't have suppliers to our steel industry, besides, it'd take time for us to build them. And you can't say you'd have the blueprints by now because there is no canon blueprints in the east and the Enclave weren't able to produce vertibirds in the east. And it isn't willy nilly either, it'd take months to roll one out, and a lot of money, and we'd still need to decide on a fuel source. As for power armor, Raven Rock was the only production facility in the east that I am aware of, and well, you blew it up. But to recreate a facility built pre-war is something no faction will be able to do for a long while. Besides, the FRoM has no air support, even with a production program underway, by the time we have one ready to fly our conflict will likely be decided.


The Brotherhood is just now getting towards the end of the program to produce Power Armor, and it's all Enclave APAM II. I'd say if you're making Vertibirds it takes 10-12 months for each one.
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Postby The NAR » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:56 pm

Alouite wrote:
The NAR wrote:Yeah, the Brotherhood can't even make them. Nobody has the facilities needed to power them

Wrong again bud, there are plenty of examples of fusion core reactors in Fallout 4. Vertibirds likely could run on one of those reactors seeing as they power buildings and power armor, so it would be very difficult and take a lot of time, but we could build one eventually. But before I get into describing it, I'd like to ask you this; do you know a thing or two about mechanical engineering? (and I ask this sincerely, not as a gotcha question)

Not really haha
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Postby Alouite » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:58 pm

The NAR wrote:
Alouite wrote:
No, it was possible in the old RP canon, we just didn't have suppliers to our steel industry, besides, it'd take time for us to build them. And you can't say you'd have the blueprints by now because there is no canon blueprints in the east and the Enclave weren't able to produce vertibirds in the east. And it isn't willy nilly either, it'd take months to roll one out, and a lot of money, and we'd still need to decide on a fuel source. As for power armor, Raven Rock was the only production facility in the east that I am aware of, and well, you blew it up. But to recreate a facility built pre-war is something no faction will be able to do for a long while. Besides, the FRoM has no air support, even with a production program underway, by the time we have one ready to fly our conflict will likely be decided.


The Brotherhood is just now getting towards the end of the program to produce Power Armor, and it's all Enclave APAM II. I'd say if you're making Vertibirds it takes 10-12 months for each one.

At least for the first batch of two, I agree wholeheartedly, and I suppose it is fair to say that the BoS will be able to begin limited scale production in the next 3-4 months in the IC. However, it would take a while for the armor to be issued out and then for some to be ordered to be sent west. I'd like to assume there are some threats to the BoS in the east in the same way we see such issues in the west with multiple threatening factions.
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Postby The NAR » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:02 pm

Alouite wrote:
The NAR wrote:
The Brotherhood is just now getting towards the end of the program to produce Power Armor, and it's all Enclave APAM II. I'd say if you're making Vertibirds it takes 10-12 months for each one.

At least for the first batch of two, I agree wholeheartedly, and I suppose it is fair to say that the BoS will be able to begin limited scale production in the next 3-4 months in the IC. However, it would take a while for the armor to be issued out and then for some to be ordered to be sent west. I'd like to assume there are some threats to the BoS in the east in the same way we see such issues in the west with multiple threatening factions.


The Brotherhood, at the moment, is mostly prosperous. The Capital Wasteland has become a HUB of the East with the Super Mutants damn near extinct, as well as Raiders and Feral Ghouls. Downtown D.C. is populated, the Brotherhood is very popular, etc. They've renovated old facilities and have been using them to produce things and Power Armor is now going to start being produced. The Enclave Power Armor and some Tesla Armor - about two suits a month
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Postby Waztaskio » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:03 pm

Alouite wrote:
Waztaskio wrote:Yea, I believe it was like three trucks at the camp anyway, but it could be around 5 or so. Either way, I never really plan to use them anyway due to the hazardeous conditions of the roads in Fallout. And even then, we don't have anywhere we need to be fast in Fallout. Only thing I may ever use those trucks for, is transporting Artillery somewhere if we ever get any during the RP as we can't carry that by hand.

Please provide a source for there to be functional vehicles used by the NCR in the RP or Official Fallout Canon other than captured vertibirds. Otherwise any vehicles that are not Vertibirds are null.

The fallout wiki?

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/New_Calif ... d_division

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Postby Alouite » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:06 pm

Waztaskio wrote:
Alouite wrote:Please provide a source for there to be functional vehicles used by the NCR in the RP or Official Fallout Canon other than captured vertibirds. Otherwise any vehicles that are not Vertibirds are null.

The fallout wiki?

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/New_Calif ... d_division

Interesting. Okay, you can have a set of supply trucks. With this knowledge I suppose we'd have a few captured ones from during the revolution. The BoS conversely wouldn't need one atm due to their air support so they may have one if that. This makes things more interesting. I'll say that the NCR in California has ~4 Trucks and 1-2 militarized vehicles, perhaps with machine-gun turrets.
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Postby Cainesland » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:09 pm

The NAR wrote:
Alouite wrote:Yo, the FRoM can. I have a steel industry to make the parts and Castor is the only person in our canon that has the blueprints for them.

The hell? We have steel from the Pitt and blueprints (by now), but you won't let us make them. You guys give me crap and say I can't produce power armor, but you can make Vertibird's Willy nilly? It's OP


While I can't say I can see why you would have the blueprints by now, nor can I see why you would have steel from the Pitt, the reason why we and I won' allow power armour to be produced is because the facilities are no longer operable for that.

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Postby The NAR » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:12 pm

Cainesland wrote:
The NAR wrote:The hell? We have steel from the Pitt and blueprints (by now), but you won't let us make them. You guys give me crap and say I can't produce power armor, but you can make Vertibird's Willy nilly? It's OP


While I can't say I can see why you would have the blueprints by now, nor can I see why you would have steel from the Pitt, the reason why we and I won' allow power armour to be produced is because the facilities are no longer operable for that.


There aren't facilities for Vertibirds but you people are making them
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Postby Cainesland » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:14 pm

The NAR wrote:
Cainesland wrote:
While I can't say I can see why you would have the blueprints by now, nor can I see why you would have steel from the Pitt, the reason why we and I won' allow power armour to be produced is because the facilities are no longer operable for that.


There aren't facilities for Vertibirds but you people are making them


Others may justify it differently, but the logic I am using in justifying it is that Nellis had the resources to repair a bomber.

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Postby The NAR » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:19 pm

Cainesland wrote:
The NAR wrote:
There aren't facilities for Vertibirds but you people are making them


Others may justify it differently, but the logic I am using in justifying it is that Nellis had the resources to repair a bomber.


There's a big difference between fixing a 1940s bomber and building a highly advanced nuclear vertibird from scratch
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Postby Waztaskio » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:20 pm

Alouite wrote:

Interesting. Okay, you can have a set of supply trucks. With this knowledge I suppose we'd have a few captured ones from during the revolution. The BoS conversely wouldn't need one atm due to their air support so they may have one if that. This makes things more interesting. I'll say that the NCR in California has ~4 Trucks and 1-2 militarized vehicles, perhaps with machine-gun turrets.

Fine by me.

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Postby Cainesland » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:25 pm

The NAR wrote:
Cainesland wrote:
Others may justify it differently, but the logic I am using in justifying it is that Nellis had the resources to repair a bomber.


There's a big difference between fixing a 1940s bomber and building a highly advanced nuclear vertibird from scratch


I don't have a working knowledge of the construction of helicopters and planes, but I can see that there would be a significant difference between repair and construction.

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Postby Alouite » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:28 pm

Cainesland wrote:
The NAR wrote:
There's a big difference between fixing a 1940s bomber and building a highly advanced nuclear vertibird from scratch


I don't have a working knowledge of the construction of helicopters and planes, but I can see that there would be a significant difference between repair and construction.

Yes, however, the FRoM has a working steel industry, and if we have the blueprints for Vertibirds, then we can create the parts based on the blueprint designs from steel alloy and use the tools that repaired the bomber at Nellis Airbase to construct one. It would take time, but we could get it done, and once the first set roll out and are functional, we can roll out more. And if needed we could resort to slightly modified and unique attack helicopters based on the Vertibird blueprints if needed, ones more like the ones today which can be made straight from blueprints and modified to run with fusion reactors.
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Postby Ironsbad » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:02 pm

Do I have to wait for Alouite to roleplay the local government of Nipton?

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Postby Alouite » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:12 pm

Ironsbad wrote:Do I have to wait for Alouite to roleplay the local government of Nipton?

Nipton is NCR territory.
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Postby Ironsbad » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:15 pm

Alouite wrote:
Ironsbad wrote:Do I have to wait for Alouite to roleplay the local government of Nipton?

Nipton is NCR territory.

Ahh, right, the Raiders and such. Boulder City it is.

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