The Bonaparte Absence (AH/OOC)

[Togeria]

My god I just got done posting.

[Jade Confederacy]

The Afghanis could easily hide in the mountains and let the Russians come to them.

Which is why it'll be a hard nut to crack-not impossible and would be expansive but without direct British intervention the Afghan Emirate would stand not chance against a joint Russo-Persian invasion. This is especially true if they dont seek outright annexation and set up a local strongman which would deflect alot of the trouble of occupation.

But the Afghans will have British support.

But this time they dont seem to want to back off so the ball is in your court

[British Prussia]

The Philippines is backed in secret by the EIC, depends on how effective their rebellion becomes. If they prove they can pull it off, we might be able to spare some troops and warships. All depends on the situation in Persia and West India. No doubt Britain would want to help too.

The main problem for them is that I am planing to send several divisions worth or European troops to the west indies along with two squadrons of ships to invade southeast asia. If the rebellion is gaining too much steam those troops can be used to repress those rebels.

A couple of divisions worth of troops to the Philippines? That would surely bankrupt the Spanish state. The value of the Philippines won't pay off those men and resources until a very, long time. The most the Spanish had during the Spanish-American War was about 50,000 including Philippines militia. This time round, I doubt you'd get much support from the locals.

[Togeria]

I'm planning for either two thing:

Major reform in the Shi

or a Chinese republic

and now it seems the first option is more viable.

[Sanabel]

But 1800s China had basically no infrastructure.

And major supply routes through the Hindu Kush is basically impossible. Not to mention, supply routes through Persia would still be long, climatically extreme, and hazardous, and would be difficult to achieve a constant flow of supplies with, especially since along the Russo-Perisan border are the Caucuses and the Kara Kum Desert, both of which are very difficult to pass through in their own right, especially in the 1800s.

Which is why he would need to get in and make those rial/road networks in China with its permission. The supplies would be from Persia, not Russia proper so its not as long. Most of the major road networks into Afghanistan is from Persia and he can take advantage of that. The Hindu kush is where most of the trouble starts, but thats Afghanistan.

So basically he would be building a colonial infrastructure for China, but wouldn't get to rule it.

That leads us back to the first question then. How can Russia get troops to Afghanistan, if it would be difficult to even get them to Persia?

[Jade Confederacy]

A couple of divisions worth of troops to the Philippines? That would surely bankrupt the Spanish state. The value of the Philippines won't pay off those men and resources until a very, long time. The most the Spanish had during the Spanish-American War was about 50,000 including Philippines militia. This time round, I doubt you'd get much support from the locals.

No France is sending the troops, which is of a higher quality than anything Spain can field. Im gonna use them against Southeast Asia and rebel suppression as a secondary role.

[Segmentia]

The Afghanis could easily hide in the mountains and let the Russians come to them.

Which is why it'll be a hard nut to crack-not impossible and would be expansive but without direct British intervention the Afghan Emirate would stand not chance against a joint Russo-Persian invasion. This is especially true if they dont seek outright annexation and set up a local strongman which would deflect alot of the trouble of occupation.

But the Afghans will have British support.

But this time they dont seem to want to back off so the ball is in your court

Well, they might just see full and direct British support then. I won't have my ambitions in India threatened by Persians, Russians, or anyone else.

[Togeria]

The biggest problem in Southeast Asia is Vietnam which the Chinese at this time see as their tribute state much in the same way they see Korea.

[Jade Confederacy]

So basically he would be building a colonial infrastructure for China, but wouldn't get to rule it.

That leads us back to the first question then. How can Russia get troops to Afghanistan, if it would be difficult to even get them to Persia?

I dont think it'll be as hard as your describing it but worst comes to worst, i think they can ship the troops. It'll also be hard but Russia has the ships to do so

[Jade Confederacy]

The biggest problem in Southeast Asia is Vietnam which the Chinese at this time see as their tribute state much in the same way they see Korea.

Im not annexing them, just demanding privileges and land in the south, they would still pay tribute to you

[Kargintina]

The biggest problem in Southeast Asia is Vietnam which the Chinese at this time see as their tribute state much in the same way they see Korea.

Korea don't you mean my future colony huehuehue

[Sanabel]

Which is why it'll be a hard nut to crack-not impossible and would be expansive but without direct British intervention the Afghan Emirate would stand not chance against a joint Russo-Persian invasion. This is especially true if they dont seek outright annexation and set up a local strongman which would deflect alot of the trouble of occupation.


But this time they dont seem to want to back off so the ball is in your court

Well, they might just see full and direct British support then. I won't have my ambitions in India threatened by Persians, Russians, or anyone else.

Good news is, India has a giant shield around it, called the Hindu Kush and Himalayas.

The biggest problem in Southeast Asia is Vietnam which the Chinese at this time see as their tribute state much in the same way they see Korea.

Irl it was pretty much just Tonkin the Qing saw as their tribute.

So basically he would be building a colonial infrastructure for China, but wouldn't get to rule it.

That leads us back to the first question then. How can Russia get troops to Afghanistan, if it would be difficult to even get them to Persia?

I dont think it'll be as hard as your describing it but worst comes to worst, i think they can ship the troops. It'll also be hard but Russia has the ships to do so

How could Russia ship the troops? They would need to sail around Africa, and could be stopped at the entrance to the Baltic Sea by the British. They could go through the Bosporus, but it is controlled by their enemy. Their Pacific ports are currently too frozen to use.

And it would be harder than you think. Basically any transport of troops to Afghanistan requires gruelling passage over deserts or mountains.

[Togeria]

The biggest problem in Southeast Asia is Vietnam which the Chinese at this time see as their tribute state much in the same way they see Korea.

Korea don't you mean my future colony huehuehue

Just replace Korea with you and my with China's hehehe

[Segmentia]

-Wants me to force the EIC to stop selling opium in China
-Also wants to establish relations with not one, but two of my main competitors, one of which will soon be actively trying to force their ambitions upon my own

China, why do you do these things? ;~;

[British Prussia]

A couple of divisions worth of troops to the Philippines? That would surely bankrupt the Spanish state. The value of the Philippines won't pay off those men and resources until a very, long time. The most the Spanish had during the Spanish-American War was about 50,000 including Philippines militia. This time round, I doubt you'd get much support from the locals.

No France is sending the troops, which is of a higher quality than anything Spain can field. Im gonna use them against Southeast Asia and rebel suppression as a secondary role.

That would cause some issues with the French budget for sure.

Which is why it'll be a hard nut to crack-not impossible and would be expansive but without direct British intervention the Afghan Emirate would stand not chance against a joint Russo-Persian invasion. This is especially true if they dont seek outright annexation and set up a local strongman which would deflect alot of the trouble of occupation.

But this time they dont seem to want to back off so the ball is in your court

Well, they might just see full and direct British support then. I won't have my ambitions in India threatened by Persians, Russians, or anyone else.

Thanks Brrritain!

Well, they might just see full and direct British support then. I won't have my ambitions in India threatened by Persians, Russians, or anyone else.

Good news is, India has a giant shield around it, called the Hindu Kush and Himalayas.

Britain desires an even bigger shield. If we were to follow the events of history, that would be Afghanistan.

My god I just got done posting.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...

[British Prussia]

-Wants me to force the EIC to stop selling opium in China
-Also wants to establish relations with not one, but two of my main competitors, one of which will soon be actively trying to force their ambitions upon my own

China, why do you do these things? ;~;

Funny joke. Fix this. Please. Gunboat diplomacy, come on, a few thousand troops, sweep them from the field. Get Hong Kong and Shanghai.

[Togeria]

-Wants me to force the EIC to stop selling opium in China
-Also wants to establish relations with not one, but two of my main competitors, one of which will soon be actively trying to force their ambitions upon my own

China, why do you do these things? ;~;

*grabs shoulder*

We could've had it all like my hetalia fantasies. But, you had to sell opium.

[Togeria]

-Wants me to force the EIC to stop selling opium in China
-Also wants to establish relations with not one, but two of my main competitors, one of which will soon be actively trying to force their ambitions upon my own

China, why do you do these things? ;~;

Funny joke. Fix this. Please. Gunboat diplomacy, come on, a few thousand troops, sweep them from the field. Get Hong Kong and Shanghai.

Would turn my "Eh....who I support." To, "Go team Russia and France." At least with my letter there's a hint that some recollection can happen.

[Sanabel]

Hey China. Dont be m8s with France or Russia. Or even Britain.

Be m8s with me. You see, I can indirectly get you all sorts of gr8 British tech and stuff to modernize, via trade, no opium required.

I dont even want to subjugate you, enslave you to drugs, or nab your ports. I just want free trade, and we can sell you lots of cheap goods since we don't really do mercantilism. Just an idea, but I feel like I shouldn't be ignored, since I can act as an intermediary for you and all other European powers, with little to no risk.

I'm Hanover btw.

[Segmentia]

Hey China. Dont be m8s with France or Russia. Or even Britain.

Be m8s with me. You see, I can indirectly get you all sorts of gr8 British tech and stuff to modernize, via trade, no opium required.

I dont even want to subjugate you, enslave you to drugs, or nab your ports. I just want free trade, and we can sell you lots of cheap goods since we don't really do mercantilism. Just an idea, but I feel like I shouldn't be ignored, since I can act as an intermediary for you and all other European powers, with little to no risk.

I'm Hanover btw.

Hanover, stop that! Go back to your room!

[Togeria]

Hey China. Dont be m8s with France or Russia. Or even Britain.

Be m8s with me. You see, I can indirectly get you all sorts of gr8 British tech and stuff to modernize, via trade, no opium required.

I dont even want to subjugate you, enslave you to drugs, or nab your ports. I just want free trade, and we can sell you lots of cheap goods since we don't really do mercantilism. Just an idea, but I feel like I shouldn't be ignored, since I can act as an intermediary for you and all other European powers, with little to no risk.

I'm Hanover btw.

Where the hell was this 5 pages ago. Dafuq man!?

[British Prussia]

-Wants me to force the EIC to stop selling opium in China
-Also wants to establish relations with not one, but two of my main competitors, one of which will soon be actively trying to force their ambitions upon my own

China, why do you do these things? ;~;

*grabs shoulder*
We could've had it all like my hetalia fantasies. But, you had to sell opium.

This is outrageous, it's a known fact that Opium is used for medicinal purposes. China's been using Opium for centuries. So what if smoking it with tobacco increases it's... Potency? This was an era where cocaine and heroin were all medicinal. Welcome to Victorian Era medicine. Brought to you by, the BEIC.

Funny joke. Fix this. Please. Gunboat diplomacy, come on, a few thousand troops, sweep them from the field. Get Hong Kong and Shanghai.

Would turn my "Eh....who I support." To, "Go team Russia and France." At least with my letter there's a hint that some recollection can happen.

Britain would just sink them. Russians... Serfs with pikes.

[New Finnish Republic]

Hey China. Dont be m8s with France or Russia. Or even Britain.

Be m8s with me. You see, I can indirectly get you all sorts of gr8 British tech and stuff to modernize, via trade, no opium required.

I dont even want to subjugate you, enslave you to drugs, or nab your ports. I just want free trade, and we can sell you lots of cheap goods since we don't really do mercantilism. Just an idea, but I feel like I shouldn't be ignored, since I can act as an intermediary for you and all other European powers, with little to no risk.

I'm Hanover btw.

Hanover, stop that! Go back to your room!

And while you're at it attack the French so I don't have to deal with you later on

[Sanabel]

Hey China. Dont be m8s with France or Russia. Or even Britain.

Be m8s with me. You see, I can indirectly get you all sorts of gr8 British tech and stuff to modernize, via trade, no opium required.

I dont even want to subjugate you, enslave you to drugs, or nab your ports. I just want free trade, and we can sell you lots of cheap goods since we don't really do mercantilism. Just an idea, but I feel like I shouldn't be ignored, since I can act as an intermediary for you and all other European powers, with little to no risk.

I'm Hanover btw.

Where the hell was this 5 pages ago. Dafuq man!?

You can edit your post and send me a letter if you'd like.

Hanover, stop that! Go back to your room!

And while you're at it attack the French so I don't have to deal with you later on

Hanover > Prussia

Get used to it.

[British Prussia]

And while you're at it attack the French so I don't have to deal with you later on

Hanover > Prussia

Get used to it.

Better hurry up and start clumping those mini-German states together.