The Bonaparte Absence (AH/OOC)

[Jade Confederacy]

It's aight.
So it's looking good for my independence movement?

Better than the Philippians. It all depends on how much Spain want to keep Mexico.

[Russian people of america]

Gonna head to bed, answer your question's and make my post tomorrow. Just hang on a bit longer Persia.

[British Prussia]

It's aight.
So it's looking good for my independence movement?

Better than the Philippians. It all depends on how much Spain want to keep Mexico.

The Philippines is backed in secret by the EIC, depends on how effective their rebellion becomes. If they prove they can pull it off, we might be able to spare some troops and warships. All depends on the situation in Persia and West India. No doubt Britain would want to help too.

[Pimps Inc]

Time to wait for the Spain player, then.

[Sanabel]

Russia player, I have a few questions for you.

Sure, ask away.

Thanks. They are mostly about your long term plans, and how they seem to have some issues.

Alright so first off, how do you intend to get to Afghanistan? To reach them from your Empire, you must march them first across the harsh steppes of central Asia. Which, tbh, wouldn't be too hard. But then there's the big question. How will you march your troops into Afghanistan? You will have to march them over the Pamir Mountains, or the Tien Shan, which alone would be a feat. Id be almost impossible to walk thousands of troops over them, let alone with cavalry, munitions, and such. And if you somehow did that, you'd need to then march them into the Hindu Kush. The roof of the world. Something the British struggled with during every Anglo-Afghan War, due to their sheer height, lack of major passes, and extreme climate. How would you do this without losing most of your soldiers and supplies along the way?

Secondly, I wanted to know what you will do with your nobility. First, you purged a lot of them, which would piss them off. Then, you made an alliance with Prussia, which would make the Russian elite at a boiling point with disapproval. Then, you'll be taking their money to go to Afghanistan. What will you do to rectify this?

Last but not least, I want to know why the heck you're buddying up with China. You see, as of now, you have not a single warm water port on your Pacific/Okhotsk shore. Not a single port of value has more than 5 months of use during the year before filling with ice during thr rest. In fact, they'd be frozen at thr time of the IC we are in now. This makes Hawaii and Alaska extremely vulnerable, and any hopes of imperial adventures in the Far East impossible. And when the ports aren't frozen, one naval blockade of the Kurils by Britain renders them just as useless. Alright, so as I was saying, why would you buddy up with China? They are weak, and you could do as irl, which is to steal outer Manchuria(or perhaps all of it while Japan is weak) to actually be able to access the Pacific year round. I should mention, without doing this, any hopes of gaining the Kurils or Sakhalin could easily be dashed by British backed Japan.

Also, I'm curious as to why you think I would be worse as an ally than Prussia, and why my coming to power in Germany moreso than I have would be worse as well?

Thanks.

[Jade Confederacy]

The Philippines is backed in secret by the EIC, depends on how effective their rebellion becomes. If they prove they can pull it off, we might be able to spare some troops and warships. All depends on the situation in Persia and West India. No doubt Britain would want to help too.

The main problem for them is that I am planing to send several divisions worth or European troops to the west indies along with two squadrons of ships to invade southeast asia. If the rebellion is gaining too much steam those troops can be used to repress those rebels.

[Sanabel]

The Philippines is backed in secret by the EIC, depends on how effective their rebellion becomes. If they prove they can pull it off, we might be able to spare some troops and warships. All depends on the situation in Persia and West India. No doubt Britain would want to help too.

The main problem for them is that I am planing to send several divisions worth or European troops to the west indies along with two squadrons of ships to invade southeast asia. If the rebellion is gaining too much steam those troops can be used to repress those rebels.

The West Indies are in the Caribbean.

Invading SE Asia at this time would be impossible. France only managed to make protectorates out of independent kingdoms a couple of decades after the point we are in in this RP.

Doing so would be costly, and the kingdoms of SE Asia would be able to repel any sort of invasion, due to harsh climate and the fact they still are unified from within to oppose being taken over. Invading any kingdoms in that part of the world would be Vietnam War 120 years early.

[Jade Confederacy]

Alright so first off, how do you intend to get to Afghanistan? To reach them from your Empire, you must march them first across the harsh steppes of central Asia. Which, tbh, wouldn't be too hard. But then there's the big question. How will you march your troops into Afghanistan? You will have to march them over the Pamir Mountains, or the Tien Shan, which alone would be a feat. Id be almost impossible to walk thousands of troops over them, let alone with cavalry, munitions, and such. And if you somehow did that, you'd need to then march them into the Hindu Kush. The roof of the world. Something the British struggled with during every Anglo-Afghan War, due to their sheer height, lack of major passes, and extreme climate. How would you do this without losing most of your soldiers and supplies along the way?

Secondly, I wanted to know what you will do with your nobility. First, you purged a lot of them, which would piss them off. Then, you made an alliance with Prussia, which would make the Russian elite at a boiling point with disapproval. Then, you'll be taking their money to go to Afghanistan. What will you do to rectify this?

Last but not least, I want to know why the heck you're buddying up with China. You see, as of now, you have not a single warm water port on your Pacific/Okhotsk shore. Not a single port of value has more than 5 months of use during the year before filling with ice during thr rest. In fact, they'd be frozen at thr time of the IC we are in now. This makes Hawaii and Alaska extremely vulnerable, and any hopes of imperial adventures in the Far East impossible. And when the ports aren't frozen, one naval blockade of the Kurils by Britain renders them just as useless. Alright, so as I was saying, why would you buddy up with China? They are weak, and you could do as irl, which is to steal outer Manchuria(or perhaps all of it while Japan is weak) to actually be able to access the Pacific year round. I should mention, without doing this, any hopes of gaining the Kurils or Sakhalin could easily be dashed by British backed Japan.

Also, I'm curious as to why you think I would be worse as an ally than Prussia, and why my coming to power in Germany moreso than I have would be worse as well?

Thanks.

The points regarding China, the Nobles and Prussia are correct but I think a path via Persia would be more reasonable if a alliance is cemented. I think China would be willing to allow for trade port concessions in exchange for military/diplomatic support so that may be resolved without too much trouble. The nobles will be a big problem as they and the church were VERY powerful. They would almost certainly revolt and the revolt will be huge and very well armed/funded. Prussia also hold Polish lands which Russia would want and if they go full expansionist, it would drag russia into a quagmire from which it'll gain nothing. This was why I didnt want to ally with them as France, too much trouble, not enough shared strategic interests

[Segmentia]

The Philippines is backed in secret by the EIC, depends on how effective their rebellion becomes. If they prove they can pull it off, we might be able to spare some troops and warships. All depends on the situation in Persia and West India. No doubt Britain would want to help too.

The main problem for them is that I am planing to send several divisions worth or European troops to the west indies along with two squadrons of ships to invade southeast asia. If the rebellion is gaining too much steam those troops can be used to repress those rebels.

This should be...interesting. Also, have fun trying to chase all those rebels down over the multitude of jungle covered islands, and with a native population that has no reasons to help you, since Spain sort of went and, well...

'The sun reminded him of crushing a revolt in the Philippine islands with the methodical and effective brutality that he is now known for. He burned the crops of all provinces in rebellion, and salted their fields. Though many in the future may question the brutality of his actions, they were in no doubt effective. Soon the insurgents starved along with their families, and those who did not were killed by his forces.'

And for some reason I highly doubt he actually cared to differentiate between rebel and non-rebel natives.

[Jade Confederacy]

The West Indies are in the Caribbean.

Invading SE Asia at this time would be impossible. France only managed to make protectorates out of independent kingdoms a couple of decades after the point we are in in this RP.

Doing so would be costly, and the kingdoms of SE Asia would be able to repel any sort of invasion, due to harsh climate and the fact they still are unified from within to oppose being taken over. Invading any kingdoms in that part of the world would be Vietnam War 120 years early.

Ah nuts me and my spelling. Im only going for treaty ports and protectorates for the first run. Establishing Cochinchina would be a multi decade long project. I know it'll be costly but i need to get a presence in Asia before British gains too much of a advantage.

[Segmentia]

The West Indies are in the Caribbean.

Invading SE Asia at this time would be impossible. France only managed to make protectorates out of independent kingdoms a couple of decades after the point we are in in this RP.

Doing so would be costly, and the kingdoms of SE Asia would be able to repel any sort of invasion, due to harsh climate and the fact they still are unified from within to oppose being taken over. Invading any kingdoms in that part of the world would be Vietnam War 120 years early.

Ah nuts me and my spelling. Im only going for treaty ports and protectorates for the first run. Establishing Cochinchina would be a multi decade long project. I know it'll be costly but i need to get a presence in Asia before British gains too much of a advantage.

Just wait until I modernize Japan and retain close relations with then.

[Kargintina]

Sadly I don't think I'll be getting a post up tonight. I just spent forty-five minutes writing a ton only to realize it is sloppy as hell. I gotta restart because of my perfectionist brain thats screaming at me right now.

[Sanabel]

Alright so first off, how do you intend to get to Afghanistan? To reach them from your Empire, you must march them first across the harsh steppes of central Asia. Which, tbh, wouldn't be too hard. But then there's the big question. How will you march your troops into Afghanistan? You will have to march them over the Pamir Mountains, or the Tien Shan, which alone would be a feat. Id be almost impossible to walk thousands of troops over them, let alone with cavalry, munitions, and such. And if you somehow did that, you'd need to then march them into the Hindu Kush. The roof of the world. Something the British struggled with during every Anglo-Afghan War, due to their sheer height, lack of major passes, and extreme climate. How would you do this without losing most of your soldiers and supplies along the way?

Secondly, I wanted to know what you will do with your nobility. First, you purged a lot of them, which would piss them off. Then, you made an alliance with Prussia, which would make the Russian elite at a boiling point with disapproval. Then, you'll be taking their money to go to Afghanistan. What will you do to rectify this?

Last but not least, I want to know why the heck you're buddying up with China. You see, as of now, you have not a single warm water port on your Pacific/Okhotsk shore. Not a single port of value has more than 5 months of use during the year before filling with ice during thr rest. In fact, they'd be frozen at thr time of the IC we are in now. This makes Hawaii and Alaska extremely vulnerable, and any hopes of imperial adventures in the Far East impossible. And when the ports aren't frozen, one naval blockade of the Kurils by Britain renders them just as useless. Alright, so as I was saying, why would you buddy up with China? They are weak, and you could do as irl, which is to steal outer Manchuria(or perhaps all of it while Japan is weak) to actually be able to access the Pacific year round. I should mention, without doing this, any hopes of gaining the Kurils or Sakhalin could easily be dashed by British backed Japan.

Also, I'm curious as to why you think I would be worse as an ally than Prussia, and why my coming to power in Germany moreso than I have would be worse as well?

Thanks.

The points regarding China, the Nobles and Prussia are correct but I think a path via Persia would be more reasonable if a alliance is cemented. I think China would be willing to allow for trade port concessions in exchange for military/diplomatic support so that may be resolved without too much trouble. The nobles will be a big problem as they and the church were VERY powerful. They would almost certainly revolt and the revolt will be huge and very well armed/funded. Prussia also hold Polish lands which Russia would want and if they go full expansionist, it would drag russia into a quagmire from which it'll gain nothing. This was why I didnt want to ally with them as France, too much trouble, not enough shared strategic interests

The issue with going through Persia, is that no matter what, troops will have to be moved over mountains. If they went through northern Persia, it would just be the Zagros and the Elbruz instead. And no matter what, the Hindu Kush will have to be crossed to reach Afghanistan, which would be nigh impossible. About China, concessions would be nice for them, but it wouldn't help. Yes they would have warm water ports in China, but those ports still couldn't be reached by Russian cities by sea or overland, making them pretty much useless.

The West Indies are in the Caribbean.

Invading SE Asia at this time would be impossible. France only managed to make protectorates out of independent kingdoms a couple of decades after the point we are in in this RP.

Doing so would be costly, and the kingdoms of SE Asia would be able to repel any sort of invasion, due to harsh climate and the fact they still are unified from within to oppose being taken over. Invading any kingdoms in that part of the world would be Vietnam War 120 years early.

Ah nuts me and my spelling. Im only going for treaty ports and protectorates for the first run. Establishing Cochinchina would be a multi decade long project. I know it'll be costly but i need to get a presence in Asia before British gains too much of a advantage.

Might work, but there's a good chance it might not. But hey, it's your labor and capital.

[Jade Confederacy]

Just wait until I modernize Japan and retain close relations with then.

If i were you i'd ask allot more from them than just trade and basing privileges. They are asking form help in regime change-its a big favor that entails a big price. After the war the Emperor would be weakened and in debt and you'll have thousands of troops on the islands. You can force them to become your protectorate if you wish hence why im predicting that they'll be under your boot within two decades and why i need to catch up

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

I am taking a page from the Algeria War, and using trying to split the ethnic groups, and have them fight each other,

[Kargintina]

Just wait until I modernize Japan and retain close relations with then.

If i were you i'd ask allot more from them than just trade and basing privileges. They are asking form help in regime change-its a big favor that entails a big price. After the war the Emperor would be weakened and in debt and you'll have thousands of troops on the islands. You can force them to become your protectorate if you wish hence why im predicting that they'll be under your boot within two decades and why i need to catch up

The island is also gonna be in pretty bad condition as the basically early Boshin War will have already begun by the time they arrive, as soon as I can write it in a non sloppy way.

[Jade Confederacy]

The issue with going through Persia, is that no matter what, troops will have to be moved over mountains. If they went through northern Persia, it would just be the Zagros and the Elbruz instead. And no matter what, the Hindu Kush will have to be crossed to reach Afghanistan, which would be nigh impossible. About China, concessions would be nice for them, but it wouldn't help. Yes they would have warm water ports in China, but those ports still couldn't be reached by Russian cities by sea or overland, making them pretty much useless.

Your placing too much emphasis on on borders, a road network and the right to move troops and goods within China would be sufficient. Attrition will be a problem but Russian has manpower in spades and a stable supply route via Persia would alleviate allot of the issues

[Segmentia]

The issue with going through Persia, is that no matter what, troops will have to be moved over mountains. If they went through northern Persia, it would just be the Zagros and the Elbruz instead. And no matter what, the Hindu Kush will have to be crossed to reach Afghanistan, which would be nigh impossible. About China, concessions would be nice for them, but it wouldn't help. Yes they would have warm water ports in China, but those ports still couldn't be reached by Russian cities by sea or overland, making them pretty much useless.

Your placing too much emphasis on on borders, a road network and the right to move troops and goods within China would be sufficient. Attrition will be a problem but Russian has manpower in spades and a stable supply route via Persia would alleviate allot of the issues

Ah, but he risks a Nobel uprising, especially when a 'large part' of the army is off and dying in what will probably be an unpopular war.

[Kargintina]

Your placing too much emphasis on on borders, a road network and the right to move troops and goods within China would be sufficient. Attrition will be a problem but Russian has manpower in spades and a stable supply route via Persia would alleviate allot of the issues

Ah, but he risks a Nobel uprising, especially when a 'large part' of the army is off and dying in what will probably be an unpopular war.

So, basically Soviet invasion of Afghanistan 150 years earlier? It'll end just as poorly.

[Jade Confederacy]

I am taking a page from the Algeria War, and using trying to split the ethnic groups, and have them fight each other,

That would be my strategy. I'd pit the Muslims against the Christians in the Philippians and the Creoles against the Peninsulares and landowners in Mexico.

[Sanabel]

The issue with going through Persia, is that no matter what, troops will have to be moved over mountains. If they went through northern Persia, it would just be the Zagros and the Elbruz instead. And no matter what, the Hindu Kush will have to be crossed to reach Afghanistan, which would be nigh impossible. About China, concessions would be nice for them, but it wouldn't help. Yes they would have warm water ports in China, but those ports still couldn't be reached by Russian cities by sea or overland, making them pretty much useless.

Your placing too much emphasis on on borders, a road network and the right to move troops and goods within China would be sufficient. Attrition will be a problem but Russian has manpower in spades and a stable supply route via Persia would alleviate allot of the issues

But 1800s China had basically no infrastructure.

And major supply routes through the Hindu Kush is basically impossible. Not to mention, supply routes through Persia would still be long, climatically extreme, and hazardous, and would be difficult to achieve a constant flow of supplies with, especially since along the Russo-Perisan border are the Caucuses and the Kara Kum Desert, both of which are very difficult to pass through in their own right, especially in the 1800s.

[Jade Confederacy]

Ah, but he risks a Nobel uprising, especially when a 'large part' of the army is off and dying in what will probably be an unpopular war.

he dosnt need to invest mush to topple Kabul. Russia almost did it in the late 1800s but had to back off due to British pressure. A force of 20,000-40,000 plus auxiliaries from Persia can do it, which is about 1/10th of what russia can field.

[Kargintina]

Ah, but he risks a Nobel uprising, especially when a 'large part' of the army is off and dying in what will probably be an unpopular war.

he dosnt need to invest mush to topple Kabul. Russia almost did it in the late 1800s but had to back off due to British pressure. A force of 20,000-40,000 plus auxiliaries from Persia can do it, which is about 1/10th of what russia can field.

The Afghanis could easily hide in the mountains and let the Russians come to them.

[Segmentia]

Ah, but he risks a Nobel uprising, especially when a 'large part' of the army is off and dying in what will probably be an unpopular war.

he dosnt need to invest mush to topple Kabul. Russia almost did it in the late 1800s but had to back off due to British pressure. A force of 20,000-40,000 plus auxiliaries from Persia can do it, which is about 1/10th of what russia can field.

But the Afghans will have British support.

[Jade Confederacy]

But 1800s China had basically no infrastructure.

And major supply routes through the Hindu Kush is basically impossible. Not to mention, supply routes through Persia would still be long, climatically extreme, and hazardous, and would be difficult to achieve a constant flow of supplies with, especially since along the Russo-Perisan border are the Caucuses and the Kara Kum Desert, both of which are very difficult to pass through in their own right, especially in the 1800s.

Which is why he would need to get in and make those rial/road networks in China with its permission. The supplies would be from Persia, not Russia proper so its not as long. Most of the major road networks into Afghanistan is from Persia and he can take advantage of that. The Hindu kush is where most of the trouble starts, but thats Afghanistan.