The Bonaparte Absence (AH/OOC)

[Russian people of america]

Hard to decide between asking the Prussia-Russia alliance for help or the British Empire.

Who are you?

[Jade Confederacy]

A few reasons.

Firstly, it would allow Prussia quite a bit more power in the Baltic Sea, which was historically Russia's domain. This, in turn, could allow Prussia unprecedented control over Russian access to the North Sea/Atlantic.

Russia would have yet another potential competitor for influence in Eastern Europe.

Prussian expansion would be opposed by Hanover, and by extension the British. If Russia supported this, it could lead to Britain putting subtle pressure on their Hawaiian possessions.

It would diminish Russian influence in continental affairs, because yet another advanced power would surpass them in pretty much every way in Europe.

Since the 1780s, Austria has had closer relations with Russia than Prussia had with Russia.

Competing spheres of influence.

Super anti-Prussian sentiment amongst Russian land owning nobility.

Etc.

Oh oops, i read it as the Russo-Persian alliance, not the Russo-Prussian alliance. The later would make less sense since Russia and Prussia's interests do not align. France would also oppose any Prussian expansion without proper causes belli.

As for an Afghan invasion i suggest you first acquire local support via a dissatisfied member of the local elite and place him on the throne. After that you can make it into a protectorate and let the local guy handle all the grief of suppressing his people. If he grows too unpopular than remove him with someone else to gain the local's support.

[Segmentia]

Hard to decide between asking the Prussia-Russia alliance for help or the British Empire.

Prussia-Russia
-No real naval power to project all the way across the Atlantic
-No real presence anywhere near Mexico
-No real desire to get involved with weakening the Spanish Empire since neither sides are really interested in areas the others are

British Empire
-Has all of the above

[Jade Confederacy]

Hard to decide between asking the Prussia-Russia alliance for help or the British Empire.

The more you drag in the British the more I as France will intervene.

[Segmentia]

Hard to decide between asking the Prussia-Russia alliance for help or the British Empire.

The more you drag in the British the more I as France will intervene.

Are you going to tidy Spain's curtains for them as well?

[Pimps Inc]

Hard to decide between asking the Prussia-Russia alliance for help or the British Empire.

Prussia-Russia
-No real naval power to project all the way across the Atlantic
-No real presence anywhere near Mexico
-No real desire to get involved with weakening the Spanish Empire since neither sides are really interested in areas the others are

British Empire
-Has all of the above

I could just incite a war between the Prussians/Russians and Spain and that'd be enough. Maybe.
The British Empire extends into Central America, but I see your point.

[Segmentia]

I could just incite a war between the Prussians/Russians and Spain and that'd be enough. Maybe.
The British Empire extends into Central America, but I see your point.

How would you incite that, exactly?

[Jade Confederacy]

Are you going to tidy Spain's curtains for them as well?

While im fine with a independent mexico im not fine with a pro British mexico. Plus when a colony goes independent it tends to have a knockdown effect on the surrounding colonies including mine as well as yours. British central america shares many of the same troubles as Mexico, if Mexico goes independent than it would provide an example for Central American to follow

[Togeria]

We need a map update.

[Pimps Inc]

Hard to decide between asking the Prussia-Russia alliance for help or the British Empire.

The more you drag in the British the more I as France will intervene.

Well, I guess I won't be able to stave off French intervention in Mexico in this timeline either.

[Jade Confederacy]

Well, I guess I won't be able to stave off French intervention in Mexico in this timeline either.

Or you can just negotiate with Spain. I can act as a mediator with the result that you gain independence but share a ruling monarch with Spain. Spain would have a say in all major decisions as well as your foreign policy but you get to keep your own military, make your own laws, etc

[Pimps Inc]

Are you going to tidy Spain's curtains for them as well?

While im fine with a independent mexico im not fine with a pro British mexico. Plus when a colony goes independent it tends to have a knockdown effect on the surrounding colonies including mine as well as yours. British central america shares many of the same troubles as Mexico, if Mexico goes independent than it would provide an example for Central American to follow

The Spanish have many more colonies to lose.
And we do not really have connections with British Central America due to the different cultures, and going by how Britain treated his other colonies, lack of natives. Alive natives, that is.

[Pimps Inc]

Well, I guess I won't be able to stave off French intervention in Mexico in this timeline either.

Or you can just negotiate with Spain. I can act as a mediator with the result that you gain independence but share a ruling monarch with Spain. Spain would have a say in all major decisions as well as your foreign policy but you get to keep your own military, make your own laws, etc

Believe it or not, that was actually the original goal of the actual Mexican independence movement until Hidalgo died. His successor had a completely different goal in mind.
We shall see how Spain responds in the next posts.

[Segmentia]

Believe it or not, that was actually the original goal of the actual Mexican independence movement until Hidalgo died. His successor had a completely different goal in mind.
We shall see how Spain responds in the next posts.

Seeing as how he has a 'warrior king', I don't think he will respond very nicely. But we'll see. And Britain is always ready to help, with barely any strings attached!

[Togeria]

And here I am still iso.

[New Finnish Republic]

I'd argue that Russia has a few benefits to the agreement.

-Since (If the war goes correctly) the Southern/Southwestern area of Austria will now be under the control of Russia, Russia will now be able to gain another route to the Mediterranean (Via ports along the coast of modern-day Croatia) as well as highly fertile lands (Modern-day Ukraine) as well as an abundance of mineral deposits (Also Ukraine)

-With Prussia to their West, Russia now has a buffer from any other bloc that tries to goes after them due to their actions elsewhere in the world, i;e Afghanistan and the Pacific

-Prussia (Due to the lack of getting their assess handed to by the French without Napoleon) is Europe's most respected military forces in Europe, and have them on their side would be more encouraging than the weaker Hanover

[Pimps Inc]

Believe it or not, that was actually the original goal of the actual Mexican independence movement until Hidalgo died. His successor had a completely different goal in mind.
We shall see how Spain responds in the next posts.

Seeing as how he has a 'warrior king', I don't think he will respond very nicely. But we'll see. And Britain is always ready to help, with barely any strings attached!

Barely! Oh, boy!
Next post, Hidalgo will send a letter to London.

[Yurizlansia]

I will make this clear in the IC as well, but I am sending approximately 22,000 of my 40,000 troops.It consists of 17,000 troops, 2,000 cavalry, and 1,000 cannon. There is not 1,000 cannon guns, but 1,00 men operating the cannons, so I don't know, a hundred cannons (I am not familiar with artillery warfare.)

[Jade Confederacy]

And here I am still iso.

Its more of your choice than the circumstances. Japan opened up and now has foreign backing, China could too. Russia would be happily accept any formal alliance and many other European nations would also be eager to establish relations with you. As France i would happily provide you with western arms and diplomatic support in exchange for trade. Since my position in Asia is much weaker, i wont ask for any land or too many privileges. Japan would be under the British boot in about two decades at the most but my interests are mostly in southeast asia, the Caribbeans and africa, which dosnt intersect with yours.

[Segmentia]

Seeing as how he has a 'warrior king', I don't think he will respond very nicely. But we'll see. And Britain is always ready to help, with barely any strings attached!

Barely! Oh, boy!
Next post, Hidalgo will send a letter to London.

Considering what Jade proposed, i.e. 'you gain independence but share a ruling monarch with Spain. Spain would have a say in all major decisions as well as your foreign policy' the things I would ask would be fairly light in comparison.

[Togeria]

And here I am still iso.

Its more of your choice than the circumstances. Japan opened up and now has foreign backing, China could too. Russia would be happily accept any formal alliance and many other European nations would also be eager to establish relations with you. As France i would happily provide you with western arms and diplomatic support in exchange for trade. Since my position in Asia is much weaker, i wont ask for any land or too many privileges. Japan would be under the British boot in about two decades at the most but my interests are mostly in southeast asia, the Caribbeans and africa, which dosnt intersect with yours.

Yes. I'm seeing that in order to survive I need ties with the west and France and Russia are the best options for it at the moment.

[Segmentia]

Its more of your choice than the circumstances. Japan opened up and now has foreign backing, China could too. Russia would be happily accept any formal alliance and many other European nations would also be eager to establish relations with you. As France i would happily provide you with western arms and diplomatic support in exchange for trade. Since my position in Asia is much weaker, i wont ask for any land or too many privileges. Japan would be under the British boot in about two decades at the most but my interests are mostly in southeast asia, the Caribbeans and africa, which dosnt intersect with yours.

Yes. I'm seeing that in order to survive I need ties with the west and France and Russia are the best options for it at the moment.

Russia is likely to get you into a major war, and already has ambitions in Asia. I would go with France if I were you. They don't seem to have ambitions in Asia, so there is less risk of China being dragged into a war.

[Pimps Inc]

Barely! Oh, boy!
Next post, Hidalgo will send a letter to London.

Considering what Jade proposed, i.e. 'you gain independence but share a ruling monarch with Spain. Spain would have a say in all major decisions as well as your foreign policy' the things I would ask would be fairly light in comparison.

I'd be a 1940 Canadian-Mexico.
Let me guess what you want.
The creation of a British East India Company but in Mexico to exploit resources and military bases?

[Hastiaka]

Anyone inclined to support the Philippines?

[Togeria]

Yes. I'm seeing that in order to survive I need ties with the west and France and Russia are the best options for it at the moment.

Russia is likely to get you into a major war, and already has ambitions in Asia. I would go with France if I were you. They don't seem to have ambitions in Asia, so there is less risk of China being dragged into a war.

I might need both. China is a big nation and I don't need to strong just strong enough.