The Bonaparte Absence (AH/OOC)

[British Prussia]

Depends how they go about stemming the opium. If they open China up, I'll agree to stop selling them opium. I'll even pay extra for most favoured nation status. Well, most favoured Company.

Opium is the only thing keeping the trade balance at a strong positive right now, since European manufacturing hasn't hit full swing yet.

True, but that doesn't mean we can't offer them manufactured goods. It's just what Britain and the EIC needs.

[New Finnish Republic]

Finally got an IC post up.

[Togeria]

So many people moving to the east.

[Segmentia]

So many people moving to the east.

Over the hills and far away!

[New Granadeseret]

Opium is the only thing keeping the trade balance at a strong positive right now, since European manufacturing hasn't hit full swing yet.

True, but that doesn't mean we can't offer them manufactured goods. It's just what Britain and the EIC needs.

You can... but it won't be enough to pay for all the stuff you buy from China. And so far as I understand it the Chinese merchants probably aren't going to be keen to accept Pound Sterlings, just silver. That means spectre flowing out of the E.I.C's treasury or far less profit from export of goods back to Europe... which means falling stock prices and lower dividends... which means angry shareholders and less money to invest on Indian affairs.

Who is playing as Russia?

Russian Peoples of America.

NS Name:Togeria
Nation Name: Empire of the Shi(formal)
China(informal)
Head of State: Ye-Long
Head of Government: Jingshen Jiantan
Head of Diplomacy: Commissioner Ri-Xun
Territory:http://i.imgur.com/wwsND3G.png?1
Flag:http://hosmich.deviantart.com/art/Chinese-flag-434744636
Demonym: Chinese
Capital: Nanjing
Currency: Tael
State/Primary Religion: Confucian Believes

Government Form: Monarchy
Ideology: absolute and divine monarchy
Foreign Policy: Believe the foreign powers of Europe to be barbaric and savage and try maintain only the most necessary of contact.
Domestic Policy: Since it's formation in 1694 with the marriage of emperor Fe Long and Lenjiang We the empire of the Qing was renamed to the Empire of the Shi. This was due to the distrust of Fe and his descendants of foreign powers corrupting the core of China. Sending out his "Holds" or at the time trained mercenaries they would expand China's borders to its current size to ensure security. Within has come a plus and minus to stifle rebellion less strict stance was put on religion as well as some trade maintained with other powers but purely for silver to fund the government and weapons to enforce the self-imposed isolation. Shi means city or wall making the Shi Dynasty or in Chinese Shi Wangchao mean Walled Dynasty.
Civil Freedoms /10: 4
Political Freedoms /10: 4
Economic Freedoms /10: 5

Military Size:780,000 professional soldiers
-Army: 500,000(Separated into different holds)
-Navy:250,000
-Elite Forces: 30,000

Military Description: The banner system of the Qing went under modification under the Shi. Instead of the banner system the coined Hold system was placed placing the more elite soldiers in different "holds" depending on merit the highest being the Huangjin Biaozhun or the Golden Standard, the elite corp and personnel protectors of the emperor. The other holds follow Silver, Bronze, Coal.
Strengths and Weaknesses: The system is built on merit and thus the more one progresses the harder the training is expected to be. This is to ensure the armies of the Shi are battle ready to face in incursions into the empire. A weakness of the system is that Huangjin are used exclusively to protect the emperor and with only so few progressing through the ranks it means the the hold with the highest number of men, the coal are also the weakest. Along with this the self-imposed isolation has left little advancement in terms of military technology for the empire leaving their men outclassed technologically to more industrialized nations.

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy:The economy is based strongly on silver though early in the opium trade a small barter system was introduced to lessen the reliance of the silver and allow the government to raise prices. This as proven a mistake as estimated of opium dependence within the nation are at a all-time high and rising causing for more direct action in the government to stop it.
Short Description of Your Nation's Government: The government believes in the sovereign "Mandate of God" as the presiding authority over the mainland and goes onto enforce it. This has caused the people of China to feel that the government presence is too assertive and invasive of their lives causing some to various black market networks to smuggle in foreign western goods the king of which is opium.
Short History of the last 40 years: The last forty years has seen the empire try and balance control in it's land. Small rebellions have occurred but nothing too serious, but over the last decade the growing dependence of opium has caused the elite in the country to be more weary of the the empires of Europe. As of now focus is put on regulating the trade to only affect the coastal villages before wiping it away completely.
Population of entire empire:399,000,000

POD is 1795, not 1694.

[Togeria]

True, but that doesn't mean we can't offer them manufactured goods. It's just what Britain and the EIC needs.

You can... but it won't be enough to pay for all the stuff you buy from China. And so far as I understand it the Chinese merchants probably aren't going to be keen to accept Pound Sterlings, just silver. That means spectre flowing out of the E.I.C's treasury... which means falling stock prices and lower dividends... which means angry shareholders and less money to invest on Indian affairs.

Who is playing as Russia?

Russian Peoples of America.

NS Name:Togeria
Nation Name: Empire of the Shi(formal)
China(informal)
Head of State: Ye-Long
Head of Government: Jingshen Jiantan
Head of Diplomacy: Commissioner Ri-Xun
Territory:http://i.imgur.com/wwsND3G.png?1
Flag:http://hosmich.deviantart.com/art/Chinese-flag-434744636
Demonym: Chinese
Capital: Nanjing
Currency: Tael
State/Primary Religion: Confucian Believes

Government Form: Monarchy
Ideology: absolute and divine monarchy
Foreign Policy: Believe the foreign powers of Europe to be barbaric and savage and try maintain only the most necessary of contact.
Domestic Policy: Since it's formation in 1694 with the marriage of emperor Fe Long and Lenjiang We the empire of the Qing was renamed to the Empire of the Shi. This was due to the distrust of Fe and his descendants of foreign powers corrupting the core of China. Sending out his "Holds" or at the time trained mercenaries they would expand China's borders to its current size to ensure security. Within has come a plus and minus to stifle rebellion less strict stance was put on religion as well as some trade maintained with other powers but purely for silver to fund the government and weapons to enforce the self-imposed isolation. Shi means city or wall making the Shi Dynasty or in Chinese Shi Wangchao mean Walled Dynasty.
Civil Freedoms /10: 4
Political Freedoms /10: 4
Economic Freedoms /10: 5

Military Size:780,000 professional soldiers
-Army: 500,000(Separated into different holds)
-Navy:250,000
-Elite Forces: 30,000

Military Description: The banner system of the Qing went under modification under the Shi. Instead of the banner system the coined Hold system was placed placing the more elite soldiers in different "holds" depending on merit the highest being the Huangjin Biaozhun or the Golden Standard, the elite corp and personnel protectors of the emperor. The other holds follow Silver, Bronze, Coal.
Strengths and Weaknesses: The system is built on merit and thus the more one progresses the harder the training is expected to be. This is to ensure the armies of the Shi are battle ready to face in incursions into the empire. A weakness of the system is that Huangjin are used exclusively to protect the emperor and with only so few progressing through the ranks it means the the hold with the highest number of men, the coal are also the weakest. Along with this the self-imposed isolation has left little advancement in terms of military technology for the empire leaving their men outclassed technologically to more industrialized nations.

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy:The economy is based strongly on silver though early in the opium trade a small barter system was introduced to lessen the reliance of the silver and allow the government to raise prices. This as proven a mistake as estimated of opium dependence within the nation are at a all-time high and rising causing for more direct action in the government to stop it.
Short Description of Your Nation's Government: The government believes in the sovereign "Mandate of God" as the presiding authority over the mainland and goes onto enforce it. This has caused the people of China to feel that the government presence is too assertive and invasive of their lives causing some to various black market networks to smuggle in foreign western goods the king of which is opium.
Short History of the last 40 years: The last forty years has seen the empire try and balance control in it's land. Small rebellions have occurred but nothing too serious, but over the last decade the growing dependence of opium has caused the elite in the country to be more weary of the the empires of Europe. As of now focus is put on regulating the trade to only affect the coastal villages before wiping it away completely.
Population of entire empire:399,000,000

POD is 1795, not 1694.

I just said they took power in 1694. In the short history I explained what they were doing. I can change it to 175 though.

[New Granadeseret]

You can... but it won't be enough to pay for all the stuff you buy from China. And so far as I understand it the Chinese merchants probably aren't going to be keen to accept Pound Sterlings, just silver. That means spectre flowing out of the E.I.C's treasury... which means falling stock prices and lower dividends... which means angry shareholders and less money to invest on Indian affairs.



Russian Peoples of America.




POD is 1795, not 1694.

I just said they took power in 1694. In the short history I explained what they were doing. I can change it to 175 though.

Yes, but that means about a century of change in China's history greater then the rest of the world. If you could make the change, that would be great.

[Togeria]

I just said they took power in 1694. In the short history I explained what they were doing. I can change it to 175 though.

Yes, but that means about a century of change in China's history greater then the rest of the world. If you could make the change, that would be great.

So change it to 1795?

[New Granadeseret]

Yes, but that means about a century of change in China's history greater then the rest of the world. If you could make the change, that would be great.

So change it to 1795?

Yes. My apologies if it seems nit-picky... but if I extend the POD for you, then I have to extend it for everybody... and that never works out well.

[Togeria]

NS Name:Togeria
Nation Name: Empire of the Shi(formal)
China(informal)
Head of State: Ye-Long
Head of Government: Jingshen Jiantan
Head of Diplomacy: Commissioner Ri-Xun
Territory:http://i.imgur.com/wwsND3G.png?1
Flag:http://hosmich.deviantart.com/art/Chinese-flag-434744636
Demonym: Chinese
Capital: Nanjing
Currency: Tael
State/Primary Religion: Confucian Believes

Government Form: Monarchy
Ideology: absolute and divine monarchy
Foreign Policy: Believe the foreign powers of Europe to be barbaric and savage and try maintain only the most necessary of contact.
Domestic Policy: Since it's formation in 1795 with the marriage of emperor Fe Long and Lenjiang We the empire of the Qing was renamed to the Empire of the Shi. This was due to the distrust of Fe and his descendants of foreign powers corrupting the core of China. Sending out his "Holds" or at the time trained mercenaries they would expand China's borders to its current size to ensure security. Within has come a plus and minus to stifle rebellion less strict stance was put on religion as well as some trade maintained with other powers but purely for silver to fund the government and weapons to enforce the self-imposed isolation. Shi means city or wall making the Shi Dynasty or in Chinese Shi Wangchao mean Walled Dynasty.
Civil Freedoms /10: 4
Political Freedoms /10: 4
Economic Freedoms /10: 5

Military Size:780,000 professional soldiers
-Army: 500,000(Separated into different holds)
-Navy:250,000
-Elite Forces: 30,000

Military Description: The banner system of the Qing went under modification under the Shi. Instead of the banner system the coined Hold system was placed placing the more elite soldiers in different "holds" depending on merit the highest being the Huangjin Biaozhun or the Golden Standard, the elite corp and personnel protectors of the emperor. The other holds follow Silver, Bronze, Coal.
Strengths and Weaknesses: The system is built on merit and thus the more one progresses the harder the training is expected to be. This is to ensure the armies of the Shi are battle ready to face in incursions into the empire. A weakness of the system is that Huangjin are used exclusively to protect the emperor and with only so few progressing through the ranks it means the the hold with the highest number of men, the coal are also the weakest. Along with this the self-imposed isolation has left little advancement in terms of military technology for the empire leaving their men outclassed technologically to more industrialized nations.

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy:The economy is based strongly on silver though early in the opium trade a small barter system was introduced to lessen the reliance of the silver and allow the government to raise prices. This as proven a mistake as estimated of opium dependence within the nation are at a all-time high and rising causing for more direct action in the government to stop it.
Short Description of Your Nation's Government: The government believes in the sovereign "Mandate of God" as the presiding authority over the mainland and goes onto enforce it. This has caused the people of China to feel that the government presence is too assertive and invasive of their lives causing some to various black market networks to smuggle in foreign western goods the king of which is opium.
Short History of the last 40 years: The last forty years has seen the empire try and balance control in it's land. Small rebellions have occurred but nothing too serious, but over the last decade the growing dependence of opium has caused the elite in the country to be more weary of the the empires of Europe. As of now focus is put on regulating the trade to only affect the coastal villages before wiping it away completely.
Population of entire empire:399,000,000

No problem.

[New Granadeseret]

NS Name:Togeria
Nation Name: Empire of the Shi(formal)
China(informal)
Head of State: Ye-Long
Head of Government: Jingshen Jiantan
Head of Diplomacy: Commissioner Ri-Xun
Territory:http://i.imgur.com/wwsND3G.png?1
Flag:http://hosmich.deviantart.com/art/Chinese-flag-434744636
Demonym: Chinese
Capital: Nanjing
Currency: Tael
State/Primary Religion: Confucian Believes

Government Form: Monarchy
Ideology: absolute and divine monarchy
Foreign Policy: Believe the foreign powers of Europe to be barbaric and savage and try maintain only the most necessary of contact.
Domestic Policy: Since it's formation in 1795 with the marriage of emperor Fe Long and Lenjiang We the empire of the Qing was renamed to the Empire of the Shi. This was due to the distrust of Fe and his descendants of foreign powers corrupting the core of China. Sending out his "Holds" or at the time trained mercenaries they would expand China's borders to its current size to ensure security. Within has come a plus and minus to stifle rebellion less strict stance was put on religion as well as some trade maintained with other powers but purely for silver to fund the government and weapons to enforce the self-imposed isolation. Shi means city or wall making the Shi Dynasty or in Chinese Shi Wangchao mean Walled Dynasty.
Civil Freedoms /10: 4
Political Freedoms /10: 4
Economic Freedoms /10: 5

Military Size:780,000 professional soldiers
-Army: 500,000(Separated into different holds)
-Navy:250,000
-Elite Forces: 30,000

Military Description: The banner system of the Qing went under modification under the Shi. Instead of the banner system the coined Hold system was placed placing the more elite soldiers in different "holds" depending on merit the highest being the Huangjin Biaozhun or the Golden Standard, the elite corp and personnel protectors of the emperor. The other holds follow Silver, Bronze, Coal.
Strengths and Weaknesses: The system is built on merit and thus the more one progresses the harder the training is expected to be. This is to ensure the armies of the Shi are battle ready to face in incursions into the empire. A weakness of the system is that Huangjin are used exclusively to protect the emperor and with only so few progressing through the ranks it means the the hold with the highest number of men, the coal are also the weakest. Along with this the self-imposed isolation has left little advancement in terms of military technology for the empire leaving their men outclassed technologically to more industrialized nations.

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy:The economy is based strongly on silver though early in the opium trade a small barter system was introduced to lessen the reliance of the silver and allow the government to raise prices. This as proven a mistake as estimated of opium dependence within the nation are at a all-time high and rising causing for more direct action in the government to stop it.
Short Description of Your Nation's Government: The government believes in the sovereign "Mandate of God" as the presiding authority over the mainland and goes onto enforce it. This has caused the people of China to feel that the government presence is too assertive and invasive of their lives causing some to various black market networks to smuggle in foreign western goods the king of which is opium.
Short History of the last 40 years: The last forty years has seen the empire try and balance control in it's land. Small rebellions have occurred but nothing too serious, but over the last decade the growing dependence of opium has caused the elite in the country to be more weary of the the empires of Europe. As of now focus is put on regulating the trade to only affect the coastal villages before wiping it away completely.
Population of entire empire:399,000,000

No problem.

Accepted. Time to suffer

[British Prussia]

True, but that doesn't mean we can't offer them manufactured goods. It's just what Britain and the EIC needs.

You can... but it won't be enough to pay for all the stuff you buy from China. And so far as I understand it the Chinese merchants probably aren't going to be keen to accept Pound Sterling, just silver. That means spectre flowing out of the E.I.C's treasury or far less profit from export of goods back to Europe... which means falling stock prices and lower dividends... which means angry shareholders and less money to invest on Indian affairs.

Which is why I said it depends. I'll try to get them to accept GBP, but I'm sure I'll be able to sell enough manufactured goods to cover what we get from China, and more. China does outnumber Europe. For example, imports such as tea, are no longer necessary, by this time the EIC would've just started mass production of Chinese teas in India. We would try to shift imports from China to India, and increase exports to China, if all goes well. Construction of railways and modernisation of it's army, the Chinese would pay top silver for that! If, they ever get their heads around it.

[British Prussia]

No problem.

Accepted. Time to suffer

Oh dear. An isolationist China. Well, time for regime change...

[Togeria]

I can feel the tears now. Well time to post.

[New Granadeseret]

You can... but it won't be enough to pay for all the stuff you buy from China. And so far as I understand it the Chinese merchants probably aren't going to be keen to accept Pound Sterling, just silver. That means spectre flowing out of the E.I.C's treasury or far less profit from export of goods back to Europe... which means falling stock prices and lower dividends... which means angry shareholders and less money to invest on Indian affairs.

Which is why I said it depends. I'll try to get them to accept GBP, but I'm sure I'll be able to sell enough manufactured goods to cover what we get from China, and more. China does outnumber Europe. For example, imports such as tea, are no longer necessary, by this time the EIC would've just started mass production of Chinese teas in India. We would try to shift imports from China to India, and increase exports to China, if all goes well. Construction of railways and modernisation of it's army, the Chinese would pay top silver for that! If, they ever get their heads around it.

... I'm going to say right off the bat the E.I.C can, under no circumstances, muster the capital to be modernizing an area containing a fully 1/3, if not more, of the world's population. That seems fair.

Come on... be a drug lord. You know you want to. If not, somebody else will get them their fix.

[British Prussia]

Which is why I said it depends. I'll try to get them to accept GBP, but I'm sure I'll be able to sell enough manufactured goods to cover what we get from China, and more. China does outnumber Europe. For example, imports such as tea, are no longer necessary, by this time the EIC would've just started mass production of Chinese teas in India. We would try to shift imports from China to India, and increase exports to China, if all goes well. Construction of railways and modernisation of it's army, the Chinese would pay top silver for that! If, they ever get their heads around it.

... I'm going to say right off the bat the E.I.C can, under no circumstances, muster the capital to be modernizing an area containing a fully 1/3, if not more, of the world's population. That seems fair.

Come on... be a drug lord. You know you want to. If not, somebody else will get them their fix.

I have no problem being a drug lord, a real drug lord, not these modern drug bourgeoisie. It's just that I don't think selling opium is as profitable as selling infrastructure, manufactured goods, weapons, and armies. Besides, I'm BFF's with Britain, and have access to the rest of the Empire's resources and manufacturing. And I wouldn't want to modernise them immediately. I'm going to make this as slow and expensive for the Chinese as possible (but don't tell them that).

[New Granadeseret]

... I'm going to say right off the bat the E.I.C can, under no circumstances, muster the capital to be modernizing an area containing a fully 1/3, if not more, of the world's population. That seems fair.

Come on... be a drug lord. You know you want to. If not, somebody else will get them their fix.

I have no problem being a drug lord, a real drug lord, not these modern drug bourgeoisie. It's just that I don't think selling opium is as profitable as selling infrastructure, manufactured goods, weapons, and armies. Besides, I'm BFF's with Britain, and have access to the rest of the Empire's resources and manufacturing. And I wouldn't want to modernise them immediately. I'm going to make this as slow and expensive for the Chinese as possible (but don't tell them that).

O_O... really? Opium has next to no upfront capital costs, and you can sell it for a high price while only having to pay farmers to do what they've done for centuries. Manufactured goods, weapons (Better the Chinese can make themselves), and railroads are bloody expensive, and you have little to no means of producing them in India.

[British Prussia]

I have no problem being a drug lord, a real drug lord, not these modern drug bourgeoisie. It's just that I don't think selling opium is as profitable as selling infrastructure, manufactured goods, weapons, and armies. Besides, I'm BFF's with Britain, and have access to the rest of the Empire's resources and manufacturing. And I wouldn't want to modernise them immediately. I'm going to make this as slow and expensive for the Chinese as possible (but don't tell them that).

O_O... really? Opium has next to no upfront capital costs, and you can sell it for a high price while only having to pay farmers to do what they've done for centuries. Manufactured goods, weapons (Better the Chinese can make themselves), and railroads are bloody expensive, and you have little to no means of producing them in India.

We could also sell manufactured goods at a high price. I am also trying to diversify India, I do have to think about the future of the company. If everyone's happy, from Emperor to Peasant, then there wouldn't be any future issues. I could focus on other things rather than get bogged down in a war, so I'm willing to make that concession. But because the IC China is becoming even more isolationist, well. Looks like I'll have to force open those gates with some help from Britain. So, at the end of the day, I might eventually be selling everything.

[Togeria]

I just picked a fight.

[British Prussia]

I just picked a fight.

No, you picked profit. For the EIC. Paid for by Britain.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Guys, idk what I should do for my first post. I don't have a lot of experience with rebel groups.

[Russian people of america]

Who is playing as Russia?

That'd be me, watcha need?

[Sanabel]

Guys, idk what I should do for my first post. I don't have a lot of experience with rebel groups.

Seize an armory and attack a garrison.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Guys, idk what I should do for my first post. I don't have a lot of experience with rebel groups.

Seize an armory and attack a garrison.

You do realize you own Liége, right? Part of my claimed territory?

[Sanabel]

Seize an armory and attack a garrison.

You do realize you own Liége, right? Part of my claimed territory?

Yes, but I might cede it to create a buffer with France.

Wont happen if you try anything violent. If need be, I can make note of this ic.