The Bonaparte Absence (AH/OOC)

[Russian people of america]

With everyone going colonial I think it's time to advance the scramble for Africa for at least the coastal provinces. I think I'll invite everyone to Paris for a conference regarding how the continent should be partitioned

Just make sure you invite the Emperor, even if we can't colonize it ourselves we still wish to have a say in how it's divided.

[Krugmar]

With everyone going colonial I think it's time to advance the scramble for Africa for at least the coastal provinces. I think I'll invite everyone to Paris for a conference regarding how the continent should be partitioned

Most of the other coastal provinces are worthless at this time, or owned by native African nations. If I recall correctly they were only colonised later in the Scramble for Africa to allow for easier access to the far more valuable inland. Though I suppose nothing is stopping the colonial powers dividing them up other than it simply being a waste of resources.

[Sanabel]

My first priority will probably be more urban planning, followed by the commissioning of an explorer to raft up the Oranje and explore the interior of Namibia for settlement(especially the central highlands where the land is fertile and climate temperate), and finally looking into buying a port or something from the British or Dutch in the East Indies.

My first priority is not getting rekt by Spain stabilising Portugals economy and colonising Micronesia. +Exploring inner Angola and Gabon & Congo

Beware the inland natives. It's not safe to wander around their territories too much, and you don't have machine guns to protect you.

Oh, it will be dangerous. But still doable. Especially since there are friendly natives, like the Ovambo and Khoisans. And it's just an exploration at this point.

With everyone going colonial I think it's time to advance the scramble for Africa for at least the coastal provinces. I think I'll invite everyone to Paris for a conference regarding how the continent should be partitioned

Too early. Most of the coast isn't useful at this time, only key points. It'd be a risky gamble, to boot.

With everyone going colonial I think it's time to advance the scramble for Africa for at least the coastal provinces. I think I'll invite everyone to Paris for a conference regarding how the continent should be partitioned

Just make sure you invite the Emperor, even if we can't colonize it ourselves we still wish to have a say in how it's divided.

Dont speak too soon. Russia had a short lived colony in Djibouti, but only held it for like a month.

[Jade Confederacy]

Most of the other coastal provinces are worthless at this time, or owned by native African nations. If I recall correctly they were only colonised later in the Scramble for Africa to allow for easier access to the far more valuable inland. Though I suppose nothing is stopping the colonial powers dividing them up other than it simply being a waste of resources.

My primary objective is going for slaves- someone has to go harvest sugar in the Caribbeans

[Krugmar]

Most of the other coastal provinces are worthless at this time, or owned by native African nations. If I recall correctly they were only colonised later in the Scramble for Africa to allow for easier access to the far more valuable inland. Though I suppose nothing is stopping the colonial powers dividing them up other than it simply being a waste of resources.

My primary objective is going for slaves- someone has to go harvest sugar in the Caribbeans

It is far cheaper, and more expedient, to simply buy them through the African kings, as was done IRL.

[Sanabel]

Most of the other coastal provinces are worthless at this time, or owned by native African nations. If I recall correctly they were only colonised later in the Scramble for Africa to allow for easier access to the far more valuable inland. Though I suppose nothing is stopping the colonial powers dividing them up other than it simply being a waste of resources.

My primary objective is going for slaves- someone has to go harvest sugar in the Caribbeans

Damn being a German state. Anti slavery gets annoying when I rely on indentured poor people to farm in Tobago.

[Russian people of america]

Beware the inland natives. It's not safe to wander around their territories too much, and you don't have machine guns to protect you.

Oh, it will be dangerous. But still doable. Especially since there are friendly natives, like the Ovambo and Khoisans. And it's just an exploration at this point.

With everyone going colonial I think it's time to advance the scramble for Africa for at least the coastal provinces. I think I'll invite everyone to Paris for a conference regarding how the continent should be partitioned

Too early. Most of the coast isn't useful at this time, only key points. It'd be a risky gamble, to boot.

Just make sure you invite the Emperor, even if we can't colonize it ourselves we still wish to have a say in how it's divided.

Dont speak too soon. Russia had a short lived colony in Djibouti, but only held it for like a month.

Ah, your right! Thanks Sanabel, never realized they had tried it. Though historically it's much later in 1889. Still, i guess a colonization effort on Somalia could be attempted.

[Jade Confederacy]

It is far cheaper, and more expedient, to simply buy them through the African kings, as was done IRL.

It is, but i want to control the supply-if there constant bickering between the African lords stop or they unite than im out of workers. That and I want the Malian gold mines and ivory

[Sanabel]

Oh, it will be dangerous. But still doable. Especially since there are friendly natives, like the Ovambo and Khoisans. And it's just an exploration at this point.
Too early. Most of the coast isn't useful at this time, only key points. It'd be a risky gamble, to boot.

Dont speak too soon. Russia had a short lived colony in Djibouti, but only held it for like a month.

Ah, your right! Thanks Sanabel, never realized they had tried it. Though historically it's much later in 1889. Still, i guess a colonization effort on Somalia could be attempted.

They also had some colonies in Hawaii. Could try that again. Could also take Manchuria and Korea whilst Japan is weak.

True, but it will require thr decline of the Ottomans, plus the Suez for Russia to even reach Somalia.

[Russian people of america]

Ah, your right! Thanks Sanabel, never realized they had tried it. Though historically it's much later in 1889. Still, i guess a colonization effort on Somalia could be attempted.

They also had some colonies in Hawaii. Could try that again. Could also take Manchuria and Korea whilst Japan is weak.

True, but it will require thr decline of the Ottomans, plus the Suez for Russia to even reach Somalia.

Taking Manchuria would be interesting, though it'll force a war with China. Hawaii seems like a better option.

We could always send an expedition from Eastern Russia, though it'll take longer to reach Somalia and we will have problem's keeping it supplied.

[Sanabel]

They also had some colonies in Hawaii. Could try that again. Could also take Manchuria and Korea whilst Japan is weak.

True, but it will require thr decline of the Ottomans, plus the Suez for Russia to even reach Somalia.

Taking Manchuria would be interesting, though it'll force a war with China. Hawaii seems like a better option.

We could always send an expedition from Eastern Russia, though it'll take longer to reach Somalia and we will have problem's keeping it supplied.

At that point, you'd be better off buying the Philippines from Spain. But Hawaii is actually a good idea, BC it would make you a very major sugar and pineapple grower, and would give you a lot of control on transpacific trade when it takes off in a few more decades.

[Pimps Inc]

Its mine(Spain's).

And Britains I believe

Is it possible to app for an independence movement?

[Sanabel]

And Britains I believe

Is it possible to app for an independence movement?

Yes.

[New Granadeseret]

It is far cheaper, and more expedient, to simply buy them through the African kings, as was done IRL.

It is, but i want to control the supply-if there constant bickering between the African lords stop or they unite than im out of workers. That and I want the Malian gold mines and ivory

Well, conquering a territory and enslaving the population en-mass is likely to draw the attention of the British and other supporters of Abolition. But there's a reason it took until the invention of powerful, mass produced rifles, machine guns, powerful medication, ect. before the colonization of much of Africa (As cheaply in terms of lives and manpower as it was done). Flintlock muskets just aren't all that much of a decisive edge when you're facing off against Africans on their own turf (Plus, they have some guns too... what do you think they were trading those slaves for?), particularly once you get out in the bush or far enough away from your base of operations on the coast.

It's not that you CAN'T conquer parts of Africa. You just can't take it and hold large chunks of it remotely as cheaply as Europeans would be able to few decades later.

My primary objective is going for slaves- someone has to go harvest sugar in the Caribbeans

Damn being a German state. Anti slavery gets annoying when I rely on indentured poor people to farm in Tobago.

Hey, no slavery, no slave revolts, and you can probably depend on the local leadership structure a lot more. Makes colonies cheaper to run.

[Sanabel]

It is, but i want to control the supply-if there constant bickering between the African lords stop or they unite than im out of workers. That and I want the Malian gold mines and ivory

Well, conquering a territory and enslaving the population en-mass is likely to draw the attention of the British and other supporters of Abolition. But there's a reason it took until the invention of powerful, mass produced rifles, machine guns, powerful medication, ect. before the colonization of much of Africa (As cheaply in terms of lives and manpower as it was done). Flintlock muskets just aren't all that much of a decisive edge when you're facing off against Africans on their own turf (Plus, they have some guns too... what do you think they were trading those slaves for?), particularly once you get out in the bush or far enough away from your base of operations on the coast.

It's not that you CAN'T conquer parts of Africa. You just can't take it and hold large chunks of it remotely as cheaply as Europeans would be able to few decades later.

Damn being a German state. Anti slavery gets annoying when I rely on indentured poor people to farm in Tobago.

Hey, no slavery, no slave revolts, and you can probably depend on the local leadership structure a lot more. Makes colonies cheaper to run.

I have an idea.

I will turn the Skeleton Coast into a giant penal "colony". I'll just drop off the prisoners on the barren coast and let God judge them. We will give the name Gates of Hell yet another reason to be called that.

My population is overflowing, and the prisoners need to go somewhere.

[Jade Confederacy]

Well, conquering a territory and enslaving the population en-mass is likely to draw the attention of the British and other supporters of Abolition. But there's a reason it took until the invention of powerful, mass produced rifles, machine guns, powerful medication, ect. before the colonization of much of Africa (As cheaply in terms of lives and manpower as it was done). Flintlock muskets just aren't all that much of a decisive edge when you're facing off against Africans on their own turf (Plus, they have some guns too... what do you think they were trading those slaves for?), particularly once you get out in the bush or far enough away from your base of operations on the coast.

It's not that you CAN'T conquer parts of Africa. You just can't take it and hold large chunks of it remotely as cheaply as Europeans would be able to few decades later.

hence why we're dividing the coastal provinces first-im not planing to go further inland until the bigger Malian Kingdoms fall. For France it probably mean fanning out from Senegal. Everyone would be free to do what they wish in their allotted spheres of influence and i dont care what the British want since we're economic rivals.

[Russian people of america]

Taking Manchuria would be interesting, though it'll force a war with China. Hawaii seems like a better option.

We could always send an expedition from Eastern Russia, though it'll take longer to reach Somalia and we will have problem's keeping it supplied.

At that point, you'd be better off buying the Philippines from Spain. But Hawaii is actually a good idea, BC it would make you a very major sugar and pineapple grower, and would give you a lot of control on transpacific trade when it takes off in a few more decades.

What if i just did both? Also would anyone have claim's on Hawaii yet? Or is it still under the Hawaiian Monarchy's control?

[Sanabel]

Well, conquering a territory and enslaving the population en-mass is likely to draw the attention of the British and other supporters of Abolition. But there's a reason it took until the invention of powerful, mass produced rifles, machine guns, powerful medication, ect. before the colonization of much of Africa (As cheaply in terms of lives and manpower as it was done). Flintlock muskets just aren't all that much of a decisive edge when you're facing off against Africans on their own turf (Plus, they have some guns too... what do you think they were trading those slaves for?), particularly once you get out in the bush or far enough away from your base of operations on the coast.

It's not that you CAN'T conquer parts of Africa. You just can't take it and hold large chunks of it remotely as cheaply as Europeans would be able to few decades later.

hence why we're dividing the coastal provinces first-im not planing to go further inland until the bigger Malian Kingdoms fall. For France it probably mean fanning out from Senegal. Everyone would be free to do what they wish in their allotted spheres of influence and i dont care what the British want since we're economic rivals.

Alright. If this is happening, I will attend, since I will definitely want to nab some coast in West or East Africa for future resources.

Will the Hanoverian-Dutch Treaty of Cape Town be recognized? It is how we have divided where my influence in coastal Namibia stops and the Cape Colony begins.

At that point, you'd be better off buying the Philippines from Spain. But Hawaii is actually a good idea, BC it would make you a very major sugar and pineapple grower, and would give you a lot of control on transpacific trade when it takes off in a few more decades.

What if i just did both? Also would anyone have claim's on Hawaii yet? Or is it still under the Hawaiian Monarchy's control?

Still monarchy. Currently very anti-French. Could become pro-British soon if irl is followed. Historically good relations with Russia, since the early 1800s.

[Russian people of america]

hence why we're dividing the coastal provinces first-im not planing to go further inland until the bigger Malian Kingdoms fall. For France it probably mean fanning out from Senegal. Everyone would be free to do what they wish in their allotted spheres of influence and i dont care what the British want since we're economic rivals.

Alright. If this is happening, I will attend, since I will definitely want to nab some coast in West or East Africa for future resources.

Will the Hanoverian-Dutch Treaty of Cape Town be recognized? It is how we have divided where my influence in coastal Namibia stops and the Cape Colony begins.

What if i just did both? Also would anyone have claim's on Hawaii yet? Or is it still under the Hawaiian Monarchy's control?

Still monarchy. Currently very anti-French. Could become pro-British soon if irl is followed. Historically good relations with Russia, since the early 1800s.

I see, i'll have the Emperor stake a claim on the Island's then i'll organize an expedition to establish fort's and take over. Thanks Sanabel.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Netherlands and France, if you divide Belgium you'll inherit the resistance. Viva Le Belgique! On that note, would France, or the Dutch Republic, support me? I'll be your friend for life.
And when Belgium becomes independent, we're headed for Guinea. Screw the Congo, any colony will do.

[Jade Confederacy]

Netherlands and France, if you divide Belgium you'll inherit the resistance. Viva Le Belgique! On that note, would France, or the Dutch Republic, support me? I'll be your friend for life.
And when Belgium becomes independent, we're headed for Guinea. Screw the Congo, any colony will do.

I think i'll aid your anti Austrian factions for now, but not your Flemish or Walloon nationalist factions. I'll settle for a independent client state

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Netherlands and France, if you divide Belgium you'll inherit the resistance. Viva Le Belgique! On that note, would France, or the Dutch Republic, support me? I'll be your friend for life.
And when Belgium becomes independent, we're headed for Guinea. Screw the Congo, any colony will do.

I think i'll aid your anti Austrian factions for now, but not your Flemish or Walloon nationalist factions. I'll settle for a independent client state

Who are you? And I'll think about it.

[Kargintina]

Honestly, could Spain realistically hold the Phillipines if it was too be seized by a different nation?
Not that I would planning that or anything up there with annexing Korea

[Sanabel]

Netherlands and France, if you divide Belgium you'll inherit the resistance. Viva Le Belgique! On that note, would France, or the Dutch Republic, support me? I'll be your friend for life.
And when Belgium becomes independent, we're headed for Guinea. Screw the Congo, any colony will do.

I'd like to see you try. Belgian nationalism is hard to come by, considering the only reason the state was created irl was pretty much just to be a buffer between France and Germany.

That said, I will probably fund the pro-Dutch Flemish. If anything.

[Sanabel]

Alright. If this is happening, I will attend, since I will definitely want to nab some coast in West or East Africa for future resources.

Will the Hanoverian-Dutch Treaty of Cape Town be recognized? It is how we have divided where my influence in coastal Namibia stops and the Cape Colony begins.

Still monarchy. Currently very anti-French. Could become pro-British soon if irl is followed. Historically good relations with Russia, since the early 1800s.

I see, i'll have the Emperor stake a claim on the Island's then i'll organize an expedition to establish fort's and take over. Thanks Sanabel.

Dont forget, you already have missionaries there too, if you stuck to irl.