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So, what we gonna do?

Reboot the thread, and continue the Aincrad Arc after the event
4
25%
Reboot the thread, and jump to a higher floor in order to properly conclude the Aincrad Arc, having the players fight their way through the last floors of the game
5
31%
Reboot the thread, and jump to a non-cannon thread set in the Alfheim Arc
2
13%
Reboot the thread, and jump to a non-cannon thread set in the GGO Arc
3
19%
Reboot the thread, and jump to a non-cannon thread set in the Alicization Arc
2
13%
 
Total votes : 16

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:19 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:As for the reading ability, I'm not following, or I might have forgotten if if was ever explained to me. What is it, exactly? I don't think the main character app of Lios mentions it, or does it?

Idk, I never found his all when I was looking. And from his description, it does things which are beyond the capabilities of the game and Nervegear.

It might be my fault since as a CO-OP I should have looked at it, but unfortunately, I never had the time to follow all the posts that were made during this roleplay series' existence. I heard it being mentioned multiple times, but I don't think I've ever read it described or in action.
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Postby Serah » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:20 pm

North Arkana wrote:
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No, he cannot do anything on his own, that's why he has a guild.
He certainly won't be able to handle a boss by himself, or a whole red guild against himself.
Despite his speed and Alrick, he's still quite normal, and should you overwhelm him with numbers of players, he'd keel over and die.

But in a one on one, only David can match him.

And he doesn't know everything, as much as his Reading ability does make him able to know a lot of things, he needs to stare at the person's whole figure for a while if he wants to know the details to one's life.
However, it's true that a single look allows him to know what one's thinking.

I'm sorry, I thought this was a Sword Art Online RP, where our characters exist in parallel with the canon. I wasn't informed Beater Number One or Divine Blade had their positions of power overtaken, or that there's someone out there with an ability which operates outside of the game's and Nervegear's capabilities.


I'm going to go over this again.
For now, only David can match him.
In a one on one, Lios is an unparalleled trained, and extremely skilled duelist, that even in real life has yet to be matched.

The reading ability yet fucking again, is something that Lios developed over the course of the years that makes him able to guess what one is thinking by looking at them, for short, it's a buffed up cold reading ability.
It's been used several times before, acknowledged and I'm not going to change it, yet bloody again.

If you want an explanation, alright, Lios learned a lot about psychology to try and be able to guess his opponent's next move by looking at them.
After a while, he mastered it so well that he can now guess correctly one's past by looking at them for a few minutes.

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Postby North Arkana » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:49 pm

Serah wrote:
North Arkana wrote:I'm sorry, I thought this was a Sword Art Online RP, where our characters exist in parallel with the canon. I wasn't informed Beater Number One or Divine Blade had their positions of power overtaken, or that there's someone out there with an ability which operates outside of the game's and Nervegear's capabilities.


I'm going to go over this again.
For now, only David can match him.
In a one on one, Lios is an unparalleled trained, and extremely skilled duelist, that even in real life has yet to be matched.

The reading ability yet fucking again, is something that Lios developed over the course of the years that makes him able to guess what one is thinking by looking at them, for short, it's a buffed up cold reading ability.
It's been used several times before, acknowledged and I'm not going to change it, yet bloody again.

If you want an explanation, alright, Lios learned a lot about psychology to try and be able to guess his opponent's next move by looking at them.
After a while, he mastered it so well that he can now guess correctly one's past by looking at them for a few minutes.

*throws Heathcliff, Kirito, and Asuna into the mix*

If there's one thing which cannot be overruled here, it's primacy of canon. We know those three are the strongest players in SAO, and have been since virtually everything started. That can't be changed because of a desire to have our own character be the strongest.

And you massively overestimate "cold reading". I suggest you read up on how it doesn't give any insight into thoughts, and only gives background information. And in a game full of people in an unusual situation and wearing very different clothes from what they normally do, cold reading is almost useless.
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Postby Deuestrias » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:55 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Serah wrote:
I'm going to go over this again.
For now, only David can match him.
In a one on one, Lios is an unparalleled trained, and extremely skilled duelist, that even in real life has yet to be matched.

The reading ability yet fucking again, is something that Lios developed over the course of the years that makes him able to guess what one is thinking by looking at them, for short, it's a buffed up cold reading ability.
It's been used several times before, acknowledged and I'm not going to change it, yet bloody again.

If you want an explanation, alright, Lios learned a lot about psychology to try and be able to guess his opponent's next move by looking at them.
After a while, he mastered it so well that he can now guess correctly one's past by looking at them for a few minutes.

*throws Heathcliff, Kirito, and Asuna into the mix*

If there's one thing which cannot be overruled here, it's primacy of canon. We know those three are the strongest players in SAO, and have been since virtually everything started. That can't be changed because of a desire to have our own character be the strongest.

And you massively overestimate "cold reading". I suggest you read up on how it doesn't give any insight into thoughts, and only gives background information. And in a game full of people in an unusual situation and wearing very different clothes from what they normally do, cold reading is almost useless.


I agree, but there still has to be freedom to make up our own story here. Nothing too big like destroying what's canon, but losing up on the rules couldn't hurt so much. I did an RP of SAO a year or two ago called Warriors United Online. It was SAO with much more liberal rules, and no canonical facts to mess up the story.
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Postby North Arkana » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:58 pm

Deuestrias wrote:
North Arkana wrote:*throws Heathcliff, Kirito, and Asuna into the mix*

If there's one thing which cannot be overruled here, it's primacy of canon. We know those three are the strongest players in SAO, and have been since virtually everything started. That can't be changed because of a desire to have our own character be the strongest.

And you massively overestimate "cold reading". I suggest you read up on how it doesn't give any insight into thoughts, and only gives background information. And in a game full of people in an unusual situation and wearing very different clothes from what they normally do, cold reading is almost useless.


I agree, but there still has to be freedom to make up our own story here. Nothing too big like destroying what's canon, but losing up on the rules couldn't hurt so much. I did an RP of SAO a year or two ago called Warriors United Online. It was SAO with much more liberal rules, and no canonical facts to mess up the story.

Oh, I'm aware. But one can't try to make a SAO RP and try to be stronger than Kirito when Kirito exists. Same for how one can't make a GGO RP and try to claim one is a better sniper than Sion. One can do so if the canon you create lacks those characters, but trying to do so while existing within the same story just looks bad.
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Postby Charlia » Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:09 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Serah wrote:
I'm going to go over this again.
For now, only David can match him.
In a one on one, Lios is an unparalleled trained, and extremely skilled duelist, that even in real life has yet to be matched.

The reading ability yet fucking again, is something that Lios developed over the course of the years that makes him able to guess what one is thinking by looking at them, for short, it's a buffed up cold reading ability.
It's been used several times before, acknowledged and I'm not going to change it, yet bloody again.

If you want an explanation, alright, Lios learned a lot about psychology to try and be able to guess his opponent's next move by looking at them.
After a while, he mastered it so well that he can now guess correctly one's past by looking at them for a few minutes.

*throws Heathcliff, Kirito, and Asuna into the mix*

If there's one thing which cannot be overruled here, it's primacy of canon. We know those three are the strongest players in SAO, and have been since virtually everything started. That can't be changed because of a desire to have our own character be the strongest.

And you massively overestimate "cold reading". I suggest you read up on how it doesn't give any insight into thoughts, and only gives background information. And in a game full of people in an unusual situation and wearing very different clothes from what they normally do, cold reading is almost useless.

*remembers that Trace can see Noblemind being able to kill the canon characters*

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Postby Serah » Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:22 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Serah wrote:
I'm going to go over this again.
For now, only David can match him.
In a one on one, Lios is an unparalleled trained, and extremely skilled duelist, that even in real life has yet to be matched.

The reading ability yet fucking again, is something that Lios developed over the course of the years that makes him able to guess what one is thinking by looking at them, for short, it's a buffed up cold reading ability.
It's been used several times before, acknowledged and I'm not going to change it, yet bloody again.

If you want an explanation, alright, Lios learned a lot about psychology to try and be able to guess his opponent's next move by looking at them.
After a while, he mastered it so well that he can now guess correctly one's past by looking at them for a few minutes.

*throws Heathcliff, Kirito, and Asuna into the mix*

If there's one thing which cannot be overruled here, it's primacy of canon. We know those three are the strongest players in SAO, and have been since virtually everything started. That can't be changed because of a desire to have our own character be the strongest.

And you massively overestimate "cold reading". I suggest you read up on how it doesn't give any insight into thoughts, and only gives background information. And in a game full of people in an unusual situation and wearing very different clothes from what they normally do, cold reading is almost useless.


The main thing is, as far as I remember, Kirito, Asuna and that other useless bloke are completely null and void.
They aren't important to the story, or at least, this one.

On the point of canon characters, you aren't going to tell me that those guys are more believable than Lios having a reading ability.

Anyway, as I've said before, it's a highly buffed up cold reading.
You need to keep in mind that Lios is still a guy that did all this to predict his opponent's next move.
Your argument about the fact that cold reading is useless in a situation like this is also null and void, it's not like he even knew anyone beforehand, thus, he doesn't know jack about their original personality even if it stayed at Cold reading.
Being actual Reading, the argument is completely void.

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Postby North Arkana » Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:06 pm

Serah wrote:
North Arkana wrote:*throws Heathcliff, Kirito, and Asuna into the mix*

If there's one thing which cannot be overruled here, it's primacy of canon. We know those three are the strongest players in SAO, and have been since virtually everything started. That can't be changed because of a desire to have our own character be the strongest.

And you massively overestimate "cold reading". I suggest you read up on how it doesn't give any insight into thoughts, and only gives background information. And in a game full of people in an unusual situation and wearing very different clothes from what they normally do, cold reading is almost useless.


The main thing is, as far as I remember, Kirito, Asuna and that other useless bloke are completely null and void.
They aren't important to the story, or at least, this one.

On the point of canon characters, you aren't going to tell me that those guys are more believable than Lios having a reading ability.

Anyway, as I've said before, it's a highly buffed up cold reading.
You need to keep in mind that Lios is still a guy that did all this to predict his opponent's next move.
Your argument about the fact that cold reading is useless in a situation like this is also null and void, it's not like he even knew anyone beforehand, thus, he doesn't know jack about their original personality even if it stayed at Cold reading.
Being actual Reading, the argument is completely void.

So, yet again, you claim your characters have powers which do not exist within the canon? Because as far as I'm aware, there's no such thing as psychics in SAO and related media.
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Postby Relikai » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:03 pm

*Looks at own character, everything constructed according to wikia*

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What does this make interaction? Boring

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:52 pm

There are, 6000 players in Sword Art Online. I'd say that claiming that there is only one person able to beat him would be a little too much. Lios is strong, indeed. But that doesn't mean that he can't be beaten, no matter how a skilled duellist he would be in real life.


And then of course, just as Relikai says, claiming that a character is unbeatable makes interactions boring. The entire point of a game is to get stronger, isn't it? It's like a competition, at which everyone is participating. Having someone unbeatable would ruin the experience for the other players.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:01 pm

Serah wrote:
North Arkana wrote:*throws Heathcliff, Kirito, and Asuna into the mix*

If there's one thing which cannot be overruled here, it's primacy of canon. We know those three are the strongest players in SAO, and have been since virtually everything started. That can't be changed because of a desire to have our own character be the strongest.

And you massively overestimate "cold reading". I suggest you read up on how it doesn't give any insight into thoughts, and only gives background information. And in a game full of people in an unusual situation and wearing very different clothes from what they normally do, cold reading is almost useless.


The main thing is, as far as I remember, Kirito, Asuna and that other useless bloke are completely null and void.
They aren't important to the story, or at least, this one.

On the point of canon characters, you aren't going to tell me that those guys are more believable than Lios having a reading ability.

Anyway, as I've said before, it's a highly buffed up cold reading.
You need to keep in mind that Lios is still a guy that did all this to predict his opponent's next move.
Your argument about the fact that cold reading is useless in a situation like this is also null and void, it's not like he even knew anyone beforehand, thus, he doesn't know jack about their original personality even if it stayed at Cold reading.
Being actual Reading, the argument is completely void.


They're not useless. They exist, even if they aren't going to be the focus of this story. But I think that what Arkana tries to say even if he's strong, stronger players can always exist. It's a huge game. And real life experience doesn't matter that much. Lios might have an advantage because he's a duelist in real life, that's clear. But that doesn't make him invincible. Canon characters like Asuna, Kirito and Yuuki clearly show that there are things much more important that come into play when deciding a player's strength. And most important, even if they're strong, none of the Canon characters are invincible.

As for the reading, Lios would probably be able to guess some things. But from what I understand, cold reading has in generally a large possibility of error. And I guess that it would have an even greater one in this death game, where the players could act unpredictably due to stress or shock. So Lios can use it, as long as it's within realistic limits.
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Postby North Arkana » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:03 pm

And seriously, you can't beat Heathcliff. He's a L33T SUPAH H4X0R.
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Postby Sindrya » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:22 pm

North Arkana wrote:And seriously, you can't beat Heathcliff. He's a L33T SUPAH H4X0R.


Zai: "Try me, faggot!"

Seriously, Zai would say that to any players who think they're hot shits. And especially so for Heathcliff since he's the one trapping all players in the death game.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:22 pm

And in the end, this is a roleplay. We're here to have fun roleplaying, not to have a contest based on who's stronger.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:22 pm

North Arkana wrote:And seriously, you can't beat Heathcliff. He's a L33T SUPAH H4X0R.

He's got dem hacks.
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Postby North Arkana » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:25 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:And in the end, this is a roleplay. We're here to have fun roleplaying, not to have a contest based on who's stronger.

My idea of fun would probably involve having either Asuna or Kirito encounter ARIA at some point, possibly thanks to info from Argo, and not fight, but just talk, and possibly mentally scar someone. It doesn't even need to be a canon character either, but it hink it would be more fun that way.
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Postby Serah » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:42 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
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The main thing is, as far as I remember, Kirito, Asuna and that other useless bloke are completely null and void.
They aren't important to the story, or at least, this one.

On the point of canon characters, you aren't going to tell me that those guys are more believable than Lios having a reading ability.

Anyway, as I've said before, it's a highly buffed up cold reading.
You need to keep in mind that Lios is still a guy that did all this to predict his opponent's next move.
Your argument about the fact that cold reading is useless in a situation like this is also null and void, it's not like he even knew anyone beforehand, thus, he doesn't know jack about their original personality even if it stayed at Cold reading.
Being actual Reading, the argument is completely void.


They're not useless. They exist, even if they aren't going to be the focus of this story. But I think that what Arkana tries to say even if he's strong, stronger players can always exist. It's a huge game. And real life experience doesn't matter that much. Lios might have an advantage because he's a duelist in real life, that's clear. But that doesn't make him invincible. Canon characters like Asuna, Kirito and Yuuki clearly show that there are things much more important that come into play when deciding a player's strength. And most important, even if they're strong, none of the Canon characters are invincible.

As for the reading, Lios would probably be able to guess some things. But from what I understand, cold reading has in generally a large possibility of error. And I guess that it would have an even greater one in this death game, where the players could act unpredictably due to stress or shock. So Lios can use it, as long as it's within realistic limits.


And there you misunderstand me again.
I never said he couldn't be beaten, I said he has yet to be matched.
Meaning that he hasn't fought nearly enough people of good enough strength to match or surpass him.

But as I've said, yet again, I'm not going to change it, it's been acknowledged by a fair amount of people and as such, knocking it off the table would push a serious point of his personality.

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Postby Relikai » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:54 am

If one states a char to be Best in the OOC there's always grounds to have the player just own everyone in the IC, no problem.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:55 am

Serah wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
They're not useless. They exist, even if they aren't going to be the focus of this story. But I think that what Arkana tries to say even if he's strong, stronger players can always exist. It's a huge game. And real life experience doesn't matter that much. Lios might have an advantage because he's a duelist in real life, that's clear. But that doesn't make him invincible. Canon characters like Asuna, Kirito and Yuuki clearly show that there are things much more important that come into play when deciding a player's strength. And most important, even if they're strong, none of the Canon characters are invincible.

As for the reading, Lios would probably be able to guess some things. But from what I understand, cold reading has in generally a large possibility of error. And I guess that it would have an even greater one in this death game, where the players could act unpredictably due to stress or shock. So Lios can use it, as long as it's within realistic limits.


And there you misunderstand me again.
I never said he couldn't be beaten, I said he has yet to be matched.
Meaning that he hasn't fought nearly enough people of good enough strength to match or surpass him.

But as I've said, yet again, I'm not going to change it, it's been acknowledged by a fair amount of people and as such, knocking it off the table would push a serious point of his personality.


You can claim that he's strong, no problem. But it would be best for everyone to not have any characters claiming that they're the best.
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Postby Serah » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:58 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
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And there you misunderstand me again.
I never said he couldn't be beaten, I said he has yet to be matched.
Meaning that he hasn't fought nearly enough people of good enough strength to match or surpass him.

But as I've said, yet again, I'm not going to change it, it's been acknowledged by a fair amount of people and as such, knocking it off the table would push a serious point of his personality.


You can claim that he's strong, no problem. But it would be best for everyone to not have any characters claiming that they're the best.


That's the point, he's a cocky bastard.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:52 am

North Arkana wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:And in the end, this is a roleplay. We're here to have fun roleplaying, not to have a contest based on who's stronger.

My idea of fun would probably involve having either Asuna or Kirito encounter ARIA at some point, possibly thanks to info from Argo, and not fight, but just talk, and possibly mentally scar someone. It doesn't even need to be a canon character either, but it hink it would be more fun that way.


That could be interesting.

For now, both Kirito and Asuna are in the Town of Beginnings. If anyone would want to interact with them, just tell.
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Postby Deuestrias » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:59 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
North Arkana wrote:My idea of fun would probably involve having either Asuna or Kirito encounter ARIA at some point, possibly thanks to info from Argo, and not fight, but just talk, and possibly mentally scar someone. It doesn't even need to be a canon character either, but it hink it would be more fun that way.


That could be interesting.

For now, both Kirito and Asuna are in the Town of Beginnings. If anyone would want to interact with them, just tell.

What about Klein, Agil, Lisbeth, and Silicia? Or Heathcliffe? Also wouldn't Kirito and Asuna still not be near each other. I mean they technically don't meet back up until like floor 50 or something.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:14 am

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Tracian Empire wrote:
That could be interesting.

For now, both Kirito and Asuna are in the Town of Beginnings. If anyone would want to interact with them, just tell.

What about Klein, Agil, Lisbeth, and Silicia? Or Heathcliffe? Also wouldn't Kirito and Asuna still not be near each other. I mean they technically don't meet back up until like floor 50 or something.


I haven't thought at it, but I think that all of them except from Heathcliff should be in the city.

And no, they met much earlier than that. Either at the meeting for beating the 1st Floor's boss(according to the original manga and anime series), or in one of the dungeons of the 1st Floor(according to the Progressive manga series).
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Postby Deuestrias » Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:29 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Deuestrias wrote:What about Klein, Agil, Lisbeth, and Silicia? Or Heathcliffe? Also wouldn't Kirito and Asuna still not be near each other. I mean they technically don't meet back up until like floor 50 or something.


I haven't thought at it, but I think that all of them except from Heathcliff should be in the city.

And no, they met much earlier than that. Either at the meeting for beating the 1st Floor's boss(according to the original manga and anime series), or in one of the dungeons of the 1st Floor(according to the Progressive manga series).

Sorry, I should have clarified. Asuna and Kirito met earlier than floor 17 being cleared, but in the light novel and anime they split up until later on (Kirito's entire "beater" thing made him a loner until Moonlit black Cats as far as I remember. And then a loner again after they all died). I think it was like floor 25 or something that the they all died on.
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Postby Charlia » Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:35 am

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North Arkana wrote:*throws Heathcliff, Kirito, and Asuna into the mix*

If there's one thing which cannot be overruled here, it's primacy of canon. We know those three are the strongest players in SAO, and have been since virtually everything started. That can't be changed because of a desire to have our own character be the strongest.

And you massively overestimate "cold reading". I suggest you read up on how it doesn't give any insight into thoughts, and only gives background information. And in a game full of people in an unusual situation and wearing very different clothes from what they normally do, cold reading is almost useless.

*remembers that Trace can see Noblemind being able to kill the canon characters*

*shoujo spin*

In the end, this is my entry into this ridiculousness. Me, spinning off into the distance and mentally saying, 'Sayonara, suckers!'

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