Recorded History [OOC]

[Sanabel]

I think they could still conquer the Americas. The lack of Native immunity to diseases couldn't be helped.

IRL the New World wasn't really conquered until far later than we mostly think. The last Inka rebel leader died in the mid 1700s. The Mexicans revolted from Spain not to make their own country of whites, but to go back to the days of native rule.

I mean, except for America.

But look at how hard they worked to genocide the natives?

The point is that they were conquered.

Why do you call the USA "they" btw? You're as American as I, and it's your country, just say "we". Dont try to distance yourself from it, it's hardly even necessary unless it was your direct ancestors who did the killing.

And Mexico didn't succeed because there is still, today, a white upper class. And, it's not just the USA, Canada did some pretty terrible stuff to their natives, and Uruguay and Argentina are statistically whiter than both of them, so it's not just the US that rid themselves of natives.

[G-Tech Corporation]

IRL the New World wasn't really conquered until far later than we mostly think. The last Inka rebel leader died in the mid 1700s. The Mexicans revolted from Spain not to make their own country of whites, but to go back to the days of native rule.

I mean, except for America.

But look at how hard they worked to genocide the natives?

The point is that they were conquered.

Why do you call the USA "they" btw? You're as American as I, and it's your country, just say "we". Dont try to distance yourself from it, it's hardly even necessary unless it was your direct ancestors who did the killing.

And Mexico didn't succeed because there is still, today, a white upper class. And, it's not just the USA, Canada did some pretty terrible stuff to their natives, and Uruguay and Argentina are statistically whiter than both of them, so it's not just the US that rid themselves of natives.

If you want your conquest to be viable in a century, genocide harder.

[The Orson Empire]

Sounds great.

Would you be interested in Cyprus Bronze trade if i am accepted ?

Bronze is starting to become obsolete. Boemil has already begun adopting iron.

[Senkaku]

Would you be interested in Cyprus Bronze trade if i am accepted ?

Bronze is starting to become obsolete. Boemil has already begun adopting iron.

Not that you'd wank anything, of course.


Maybe think about how you're coming across with all this banter?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Would you be interested in Cyprus Bronze trade if i am accepted ?

Bronze is starting to become obsolete. Boemil has already begun adopting iron.

Tbf, bronze won't be obsolete until long into the iron age; even during Roman times it was still used extensively for officers and elite soldiers, as it has intrinsically superior properties to most forms of ironmongery. The main selling point of iron is quantity and ease of obtaining; bronze needs tin, which generally doesn't occur near the copper you need to smelt it with, and so relies on long distance trade for creation. Iron just needs iron and some heat. We won't see bronze die out until steelmaking becomes a refined art. The Iron Age just happened because ten men with iron weapons are a lot better than one man with marginally superior bronze ones. I'd take up the tin-trading deal if I was you- though if memory serves they don't actually have tin?

[Rygondria]

Bronze is starting to become obsolete. Boemil has already begun adopting iron.

Tbf, bronze won't be obsolete until long into the iron age; even during Roman times it was still used extensively for officers and elite soldiers, as it has intrinsically superior properties to most forms of ironmongery. The main selling point of iron is quantity and ease of obtaining; bronze needs tin, which generally doesn't occur near the copper you need to smelt it with, and so relies on long distance trade for creation. Iron just needs iron and some heat. We won't see bronze die out until steelmaking becomes a refined art. The Iron Age just happened because ten men with iron weapons are a lot better than one man with marginally superior bronze ones. I'd take up the tin-trading deal if I was you- though if memory serves they don't actually have tin?

I think Cyprus does have tin,but yeah once steel comes in a might be boned unless i find the sources of iron in cyprus.

[The Orson Empire]

Bronze is starting to become obsolete. Boemil has already begun adopting iron.

Tbf, bronze won't be obsolete until long into the iron age; even during Roman times it was still used extensively for officers and elite soldiers, as it has intrinsically superior properties to most forms of ironmongery. The main selling point of iron is quantity and ease of obtaining; bronze needs tin, which generally doesn't occur near the copper you need to smelt it with, and so relies on long distance trade for creation. Iron just needs iron and some heat. We won't see bronze die out until steelmaking becomes a refined art. The Iron Age just happened because ten men with iron weapons are a lot better than one man with marginally superior bronze ones. I'd take up the tin-trading deal if I was you- though if memory serves they don't actually have tin?

Well the Iron Age technically started 200 years ago in Anatolia, but since this is alternate history, why couldn't it happen in Egypt?

Though I agree that bronze isn't obsolete yet. I just said it's starting to become obsolete.

Bronze is starting to become obsolete. Boemil has already begun adopting iron.

Not that you'd wank anything, of course.


Maybe think about how you're coming across with all this banter?

What are you talking about?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Tbf, bronze won't be obsolete until long into the iron age; even during Roman times it was still used extensively for officers and elite soldiers, as it has intrinsically superior properties to most forms of ironmongery. The main selling point of iron is quantity and ease of obtaining; bronze needs tin, which generally doesn't occur near the copper you need to smelt it with, and so relies on long distance trade for creation. Iron just needs iron and some heat. We won't see bronze die out until steelmaking becomes a refined art. The Iron Age just happened because ten men with iron weapons are a lot better than one man with marginally superior bronze ones. I'd take up the tin-trading deal if I was you- though if memory serves they don't actually have tin?

Well the Iron Age technically started 200 years ago in Anatolia, but since this is alternate history, why couldn't it happen in Egypt?

Though I agree that bronze isn't obsolete yet. I just said it's starting to become obsolete.

Not that you'd wank anything, of course.


Maybe think about how you're coming across with all this banter?

What are you talking about?

Oh no, that's not what I'm saying. You could easily start using iron technology- Egypt imported iron through Nubia in antiquity, iirc. I'm just point out that, with iron tech being in its infancy, and no Sea Peoples, the tin trade is probably less disrupted and more important than one would presume. That means, if anything, that the adoption of iron as a replacement for bronze has probably been delayed compared to RL, not accelerated.

[Conwy-Shire]

OMG OMG OMG Allen is online OMG OMG OMG

[The Orson Empire]

Well the Iron Age technically started 200 years ago in Anatolia, but since this is alternate history, why couldn't it happen in Egypt?

Though I agree that bronze isn't obsolete yet. I just said it's starting to become obsolete.

What are you talking about?

Oh no, that's not what I'm saying. You could easily start using iron technology- Egypt imported iron through Nubia in antiquity, iirc. I'm just point out that, with iron tech being in its infancy, and no Sea Peoples, the tin trade is probably less disrupted and more important than one would presume. That means, if anything, that the adoption of iron as a replacement for bronze has probably been delayed compared to RL, not accelerated.

Actually, part of what caused the fall of Borizu were nomadic raids, which could be an analogue of the Sea Peoples. Furthermore, the fall of Borizu itself could be enough to disrupt the tin trade, as the region pretty much decedent into near-constant war and anarchy before stabilizing.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh no, that's not what I'm saying. You could easily start using iron technology- Egypt imported iron through Nubia in antiquity, iirc. I'm just point out that, with iron tech being in its infancy, and no Sea Peoples, the tin trade is probably less disrupted and more important than one would presume. That means, if anything, that the adoption of iron as a replacement for bronze has probably been delayed compared to RL, not accelerated.

Actually, part of what caused the fall of Borizu were nomadic raids, which could be an analogue of the Sea Peoples. Furthermore, the fall of Borizu itself could be enough to disrupt the tin trade, as the region pretty much decedent into near-constant war and anarchy before stabilizing.

Certainly- but Borizu took over four hundred years to fall, whereas the Sea People migrations were more on the order of fifty years, and far more universal than the erosion of peripheries the fall of Borizu is implied to be. Literally every major civilization around the Eastern Med kicked the bucket during the Late Bronze Age collapse, whereas the Borizu have just been tottering towards their grave for eight times as long before they finally fell over.

[The Orson Empire]

Actually, part of what caused the fall of Borizu were nomadic raids, which could be an analogue of the Sea Peoples. Furthermore, the fall of Borizu itself could be enough to disrupt the tin trade, as the region pretty much decedent into near-constant war and anarchy before stabilizing.

Certainly- but Borizu took over four hundred years to fall, whereas the Sea People migrations were more on the order of fifty years, and far more universal than the erosion of peripheries the fall of Borizu is implied to be. Literally every major civilization around the Eastern Med kicked the bucket during the Late Bronze Age collapse, whereas the Borizu have just been tottering towards their grave for eight times as long before they finally fell over.

You have a point.....but wasn't Borizu the only major civilization in the area at the time? In real life, the Near East was divided between multiple civilizations, but in this time-line, Borizu controls all of the Near East.

[Togeria]

Debating changing areas again....I just want....social activity.

[Sanabel]

Debating changing areas again....I just want....social activity.

Come to the Levant.

You could potentially interact with like 4 or 5 states.

[Alleniana]

@Orson, I forgot, your army is way too big. 2% standing army is non, nee, nej, nein, nie, nyet, neen.

Allen I updated my app pls check

en une seconde

RPing a Native American nation=Certain annihilation by disease

Not really,

Yes really
I mean, the craycray Spanish walking straight into the middle of Inca/Aztec doesn't have to happen, so it can and probably will be much harder than IRL to effect the same conquests, but disease is going to do its thing, and wipe out like 90% of the Americas' population. (dunno if it's 90%, rough guess)

The point is that you could never conquer us, because some of the region's greatest powers never could irl take these deserts. So for you to be able to do so is ridiculous.

And you could just go around us. It's not like you could even go through the deserts anyway.

Where exactly are you?

Psh. Boemil army is scrub army. Face war-elephants and endless hordes, plebeian.

I counter your war elephants with war pigs!

Flaming pigs, "burn"

So is there any territory still available in the Tibetan plateau or the steppes?

Yep, both.

Can I still join this?

yes

Si, where do you want to go?

Whew. Ok, finally got through backlog. Now to update the roster. ;_; ily conwy makemap where are you

When you post at midnight, and ask where I am... ... just don' do it

and yes; constotated

EDIT: also, you need to change the map on the OP link to the Map I actually do stuff on, unless you want to keep the RP in the dark... kek

can resend link? my tg box is le ded

I'm going to drop my app but I'll still help document

Noted, thanks. You'll mainly be responsible for stuff like wiki and the weekly reports.

"One thing led to another" sort of thing

@Lothair Udo, whoops, Xelryion Curvgfann claimed southern Greece, and before you. Are you willing to move? If not, you'll have to work someone out with him/her.
What's population?
Not so sure about those building codes...
History seems to stretch too far back; the Late Bronze Age Collapse happened and should appear in there somewhere, if your history goes from the Neolithic onwards. Accepted pending.

Elections sound nice, longie but a goodie. Accepted. Population; few hundred thousand? It's where most people are

Good stuff, though how would you project your influence into the desert?
Galid; that will somewhat restrict your naming, so you'll have to consult me, gain an understanding of Galid or change language ICly. Sorry for that inconvenience.
Religion; if in life you do good things then in death you go to life, if in life you do bad things then in death you go to death
Accepted.

The main population is roughly 700,000 people. If that needs to be changed up let me know.
What do you mean by building codes?
History isn't that far back, probably only a century or so. The tribes had been especially damaged during the Bronze Age Collapse. I'll have to go back and edit some of that history.

The "build using these materials like this or we knock your building down and kill you", I think that may be a tad ahead of its time. I know, for example, the IVC had some sort of primitive urban planning, but I don't think it was quite like that.

I think they could still conquer the Americas. The lack of Native immunity to diseases couldn't be helped.

Absolutely. The Native empires would've been torn apart by European diseases. European dominance of the globe in 1500 was, in hindsight, a for-drawn conclusion. It had large population centres, large economies, world-spanning empires (the Dutch and Portugese already had African holdings. The Europeans would still come to control North America, and with the technology they had, the conquest of South America would not be suspended for long. Europe is too fertile, too rich in resources and too populated to really be defeated by anything beyond 1500.

Erm, except China and India (subcontinent) both had comparable, if not larger GDPs, and the same for population... and I believe China, at least, had better living standards.

Allen when you get the chance please review my app. 429

Whoops, I missed it, sorry about that. Getting to it ASAP.

Reservation

Poster: Aldelxane
Name: The Haigui League
Territory: https://imgur.com/mJ7P5De
429
(Tentative, unless I think of something better)

Reservio, though no cities or centralised states exist in that area yet, keep in mind...

Made a final alteration to my population - there are 21,000 Hu. That is roughly 1% of the current population of the Highlands, and it seems fair to me. Plus, it gives me more of a reason to explore and expand.

Also, Imperial Idaho, would you like to (eventually) establish trade relations? We're close enough that our primitive boats could reach each other, and my goals don't currently include expansion into Ireland.

(;-; pls no dramarino friends)

Pop is fine, edit into the version of the app linked in the roster thanks.

Another question: Although I'm not officially accepted yet, can I still make a page, and edit things?

You may want to wait just in case. Allen may want you to change something in your app first.

Actually, he is officially accepted

Actually, scratch what I said before. How well would it go if the Daxeyono clan managed to trade with the Borizu, gaining powerful tools, leading to their conquest of the Greek peninsula?

Sure, though to be honest, you don't really need it; Greece was pretty advanced anyway before the Late Bronze Age Collapse.

Tag. This RP looks pretty good, and fantastically organised. Just to confirm if i understood the OP right, you can basically make up everything about your nation right, with that 50000 BC POD?

Yeppers. Though I should really change that to 50,000 B.F.B. since that's our dating system.

OH! I just decided on Japanese peoples.

Reservation

Poster: Era the Mind
Name: The Clan of Tengoku Kaisai
Territory: Parts of Japan (The following regions & prefectures will be mine: Yamagata, Fukushima, Tochigi, Ibaraki, Chiba, Saitama, Tokyo, Kanagawa, Miyagi, Iwate, Akita, Aomori, Hokkaido, Gunma, Nigata, Nagano, Yamanashi, Shizuoka, Aichi, Gifu, Fukui, Ishikiwa, Toyama, Shiga, Mie, Nara, Kyoto, Hyogo, Osaka, Wakayama)

429 (This is used to mark this as an official reservation. If this is not present, I can't search "429" and find this reservation)

Err, Japan would not be united at this time. The best you could do is loose tribedoms, IIRC. Might need to do research.

Reservation

Poster: The Peoples East Africa
Name: Kingdom of Dunishka
Territory: http://imgur.com/ELdTFQX

429

'zerved.

I wasn't commenting on whether it is plausible for an entire tribe to devote themselves militarily, I was saying that a tribe which devotes itself purely to military matters should be considered professional, even if not paid. If they aren't considered professional, then they have the worst training regime ever created.

You are completely correct. ^_^ You deserve... what do people who are right get as a prize? >_>

power
one helluva drug

Lothair, sorry to be a pain, but Xelyrion has already been accepted by Allen - and he occupies most of Modern Greece (including the Peloponnese)

Screw it; here's the map of Accepted Roster nations that Allen has failed to put on the OP for a few days now:

M.A.P.

Screw it, gonna get the rest of Greece, including Constantinople.

Noted.

Uh, The Orson Empire? I just wanted to say that I'll be scrapping the nation in Sinai, since it wasn't accepted right away and I don't want to put a lot of work into a nation that'd be taken over right from the beginning. That, and I have a different idea that I like. I hope you understand, sorry.

But you are accepted... but feel free to change.

Allen, he who be sleeping.

He who be sleeping at 3pm AEST, and has been thus so for a solid 10 hours

Psh, no I wasn't. Only until, like, a few minutes before that...
but I slept at ~6:30 am, so no blamo me

IRL the New World wasn't really conquered until far later than we mostly think. The last Inka rebel leader died in the mid 1700s. The Mexicans revolted from Spain not to make their own country of whites, but to go back to the days of native rule.

I mean, except for America.

But look at how hard they worked to genocide the natives?

The point is that they were conquered.

Why do you call the USA "they" btw? You're as American as I, and it's your country, just say "we". Dont try to distance yourself from it, it's hardly even necessary unless it was your direct ancestors who did the killing.

And Mexico didn't succeed because there is still, today, a white upper class. And, it's not just the USA, Canada did some pretty terrible stuff to their natives, and Uruguay and Argentina are statistically whiter than both of them, so it's not just the US that rid themselves of natives.

Most people here aren't American, it's just much easier to talk about everything in the 3rd person, and only our personal selves in the 1st. At least, that's what I find.

OMG OMG OMG Allen is online OMG OMG OMG

Actually, part of what caused the fall of Borizu were nomadic raids, which could be an analogue of the Sea Peoples. Furthermore, the fall of Borizu itself could be enough to disrupt the tin trade, as the region pretty much decedent into near-constant war and anarchy before stabilizing.

Certainly- but Borizu took over four hundred years to fall, whereas the Sea People migrations were more on the order of fifty years, and far more universal than the erosion of peripheries the fall of Borizu is implied to be. Literally every major civilization around the Eastern Med kicked the bucket during the Late Bronze Age collapse, whereas the Borizu have just been tottering towards their grave for eight times as long before they finally fell over.

Err, not really. The empire collapsed in roughly the same order of time, then the city itself tucked itself under a blanket and repeatedly whispered *pleasedon'tfindmepleasedon'tkillme* until a passing barbar wondered "what's that whispering?" and stabbed the blanket.

is good map, I add now

[Togeria]

Debating changing areas again....I just want....social activity.

Come to the Levant.

You could potentially interact with like 4 or 5 states.

I was originally going to be the Palestine/Israel and Lebanon. Or just in that area.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Certainly- but Borizu took over four hundred years to fall, whereas the Sea People migrations were more on the order of fifty years, and far more universal than the erosion of peripheries the fall of Borizu is implied to be. Literally every major civilization around the Eastern Med kicked the bucket during the Late Bronze Age collapse, whereas the Borizu have just been tottering towards their grave for eight times as long before they finally fell over.

You have a point.....but wasn't Borizu the only major civilization in the area at the time? In real life, the Near East was divided between multiple civilizations, but in this time-line, Borizu controls all of the Near East.

The only canonically established civilization- we can assume there were civilizations in north Africa, Greece, northern Anatolia, Crete, Nubia, etc. they just haven't been defined in-character as of yet. If we have players joining in those regions, we'll likely have to add the history there. Even if Borizu was the only civilization, it's still a very different situation, to be fair. It took over four hundred years for Borizu to fall and be sacked, an amount of time equivalent to more than the time between Augustus and Constantine- and I think you'd have to really stretch to say the decline of the Roman Empire was by any means as catastrophic as the Late Bronze Age Collapse.

Edit: Dammit, Allen, you just woke up and derailed my entire supposition train.

[Imperial Idaho]

Made a final alteration to my population - there are 21,000 Hu. That is roughly 1% of the current population of the Highlands, and it seems fair to me. Plus, it gives me more of a reason to explore and expand.

Also, Imperial Idaho, would you like to (eventually) establish trade relations? We're close enough that our primitive boats could reach each other, and my goals don't currently include expansion into Ireland.

(;-; pls no dramarino friends)

i was planing on that aswell,

[Alleniana]

Going through apps now.

Regarding Sanabel, Era and The Peoples East Africa;
What exactly is the issue? The mods said keep away, but the world is big, and you can easily just be in different places in it. I am quite sure the mods would be ok with you simply coexisting here and not interacting. If you feel like you need more distance and don't wish to stay in the RP, alright, but it shouldn't be, and I don't think it is a problem, that you are simply in the same RP.

Note to self: TG Conwy about map, appoint more people

You have a point.....but wasn't Borizu the only major civilization in the area at the time? In real life, the Near East was divided between multiple civilizations, but in this time-line, Borizu controls all of the Near East.

The only canonically established civilization- we can assume there were civilizations in north Africa, Greece, northern Anatolia, Crete, Nubia, etc. they just haven't been defined in-character as of yet. If we have players joining in those regions, we'll likely have to add the history there. Even if Borizu was the only civilization, it's still a very different situation, to be fair. It took over four hundred years for Borizu to fall and be sacked, an amount of time equivalent to more than the time between Augustus and Constantine- and I think you'd have to really stretch to say the decline of the Roman Empire was by any means as catastrophic as the Late Bronze Age Collapse.

Edit: Dammit, Allen, you just woke up and derailed my entire supposition train.

sorry

[Togeria]

The best part of starting so early is seeing cultures form and speculating the dominate players in their respective regions. Worst part is the world is just about empty, little social activity, and messing up here can cause a an entire people to curse you with death several centuries down the line.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Going through apps now.

Regarding Sanabel, Era and The Peoples East Africa;
What exactly is the issue? The mods said keep away, but the world is big, and you can easily just be in different places in it. I am quite sure the mods would be ok with you simply coexisting here and not interacting. If you feel like you need more distance and don't wish to stay in the RP, alright, but it shouldn't be, and I don't think it is a problem, that you are simply in the same RP.

Note to self: TG Conwy about map, appoint more people

People is people, don't like other people. Need to learn to play nicely, apparently.

I volunteer myself as Co-Op, since I sleep when you wake up, and wake up when you sleep. And I like my thinking

[Rygondria]

my app will be finished by tommorow

[Alleniana]

Going through apps now.

Regarding Sanabel, Era and The Peoples East Africa;
What exactly is the issue? The mods said keep away, but the world is big, and you can easily just be in different places in it. I am quite sure the mods would be ok with you simply coexisting here and not interacting. If you feel like you need more distance and don't wish to stay in the RP, alright, but it shouldn't be, and I don't think it is a problem, that you are simply in the same RP.

Note to self: TG Conwy about map, appoint more people

People is people, don't like other people. Need to learn to play nicely, apparently.

I volunteer myself as Co-Op, since I sleep when you wake up, and wake up when you sleep. And I like my thinking

I will consider, which I need to do, because I don't actually have a clue what vice-director and manager are actually going to do

[Imperial Idaho]

Application

Poster: Imperial Idaho
Name: Ostrovinka, Ostrovinkan, Ostrovinkanic Tribes,
Symbols:

(Image)

Territory: Munster and Leinster in Ireland

Government Structure: Federal Monarchy (like the Iroquois), the High King rules over chiefs who govern land. The title of High King is a Hereditary title, though if there are no members of the dynasty eligible (no Females or mentally incapable types) then the Chiefs vote for one of them to take control. Though if a High King is attacking Internal Tribes or violating the rights of the chiefs, then the Chiefs can vote the title to be passed down, the high king can accept or deny. If they deny it's very likely revolts will occur and they typically gain a negative reputation.
Ideology/Policy: The State typically respects other cultures and peoples, follows an expansionist policy in foreign affairs, and promotes trade with other groups.
Leaders: High King Jarri Ost
Foreign Relations: The country generally wishes to cooperate with other nations, and will make treaties to further its own goals. Though the state will also make steps to further its own goals, typically with military usage. Other nations dislike the military usage though enjoy neutrality or treaties made.
Capital: The High King has Longhouses in several major settlements though they primarily govern in the town of Tatoma (a few miles east of present-day Cork).

Demographics: There are around 65,000 people in the nation, and outside of the major cities the population is spread evenly. The Gender percentage is around 50/50, and most of the population is under 30 years old. There is no definite term of slavery though criminals are commonly used for doing physical labor.
Ethnicity: The People are a hardy one, they are pale-skinned and have black to brown hair. The genetic makeup is from the natives of Ireland and groups of migrants from Britain.
Language: The Language spoken is Vinkanic, there is no written form yet, and dialects differ from the region. Vinkanic is spoken in most of Ireland and the Isle of Mann.
Religion: A simple polytheism that is centered around 5 gods (Fros: God of Weather/Seasons/Nature, Rema: God of War, Nuk: God of Civilization, Tamr: God of Farming/Food/Water, and Cosving: God of the Earth/minerals/caves). Several groups have established temples around holy places and do deeds for the Gods.

Military Organization: The army is lead by the High King, who usually appoints a War Chief. The pay is fine, most men join because food and shelter is provided. Men once they become 16 can join arms. Conscription is only used in times of war, or when there is a low soldier count, and there are no reserves in the nation. Soldiers are mostly distinct from city guards, though they protect whatever city they're stationed at.
Army: The military averages around 3,000 troops, 500 of which are Calvary. They are relatively experienced, though could use improvement. Merchants and helpers often follow the army when moving, selling their wares to the soldiers.
Navy: Several ships owned by the Government, though none used in the military.
Air Force: a single bird
Space Fleet: None

Economy: The economy is good for a tribe. There is very little wealth difference besides government officials and leaders. The economy is mainly based on hunting, farming, and mining small ore veins.
Infrastructure: Houses are built out of wood and some into the Earth (Hobbit hole type things). Paths are worn down by people walking on them and are mainly untended.
Trade: The State promotes but does little with trade. Trade is currently done with outsiders trading for copper, though there is little done due to the isolation of the Nation.
Currency: None, Barter system is used.

History: In about 57 B.F.B a man named Ost took control of the Prech tribe that resided in the north of Present-Day Ireland. He migrated the tribe to the south and conquered nearby lands. He appointed chiefs to help him govern the land, and renamed the Tribe to Ostrovinka, meaning Ost's Vinka (Vinka meaning Ireland). His son, Tach, took the last name Ost after his father died. Tach Ost is remembered as an oppressive leader, he had several chiefs killed and their titles stolen. After he was killed the tribe established the new form of government to prevent a ruler like him from gaining power again.
Miscellaneous: Ostrovinka Strongk

429 (This is used to mark this as an official application. If this is not present, I can't search "429" and find this application)

reposting, notice me OP

[G-Tech Corporation]

People is people, don't like other people. Need to learn to play nicely, apparently.

I volunteer myself as Co-Op, since I sleep when you wake up, and wake up when you sleep. And I like my thinking

I will consider, which I need to do, because I don't actually have a clue what vice-director and manager are actually going to do

To question- were there Borizu era civs in Greece/Nubia/Tunisia/Anatolia?