Recorded History [OOC]

[The Peoples East Africa]

Oh man, horse archer empires are notoriously strong, but Crimea has water! Tough choice.

We have horse archers.

We will war yu so ours r best

;-; please nu. In that case Crimea it is.

[The Peoples East Africa]

We have horse archers.

We will war yu so ours r best

;-; please nu. In that case Crimea it is.

Wait you're in the bloody desert you can't hurt me.

[Era the Mind]

I'm just not sure how to handle advancement. Will that take place passively? :c I'm not really all that certain how I'd handle that, really... it kind of worries me.

I mean, there will be multiple states instead of prefectures and regions either at war or at peace but not really at peace (it's kind of a loosely organized nation that really only comes together against outside threats under the leadership of the "alpha clan". Kind of primitive.), but I just... I feel like if I don't start out advanced enough that I will forget to make advances :c.

I don't want to be left in the dust, or be hunter-gatherers forever. In this period, the regions should be becoming more independent and different from each other, which coincides with the, now, smaller population having rising tensions, and a full out civil war that is basically a warring states period. I just am really quite lost...

[Terminus Alpha]

I think it depends on how advanced your society is going to be. Especially since Japan doesn't have Iron working yet. And were hunter-gatherers.

I don't want to be wasted by my neighbors. I was thinking of a higher amount of trade and cooperation with the Korean and Chinese peoples, and since I can make just about anything up. Currently, the entire region, after being put into submission by the current rulers a few decades ago, is once again in a state of turmoil. The individual states have begun to take sides in a three sided war, and they are at war with the states not incorporated to the South. They are in a state of civil war, and it'd be more interesting with iron working, or at least bronze.

Well, unfortunately, you don't start with either.

Though a civil war is a good excuse to import bronze and iron weapons from Korea and China, respectively.

And no one has a big enough navy to think about invading Japan. You are safe for a long while.

Donbass is even better

Plus, you can have pseudo-cossacks!

Oh man, horse archer empires are notoriously strong, but Crimea has water! Tough choice.

I think it depends on what you're trying to do/become. Crimea is a great place for a venice-like trade republic, while Donbass/Ukrainian steppe is a good place for a Hun/Magyar/Khazar analogue.

[The Orson Empire]

Oh man, horse archer empires are notoriously strong, but Crimea has water! Tough choice.

We have horse archers.

We will war yu so ours r best

The dreaded horse archers....they are bane of every empire.

[The Peoples East Africa]

I don't want to be wasted by my neighbors. I was thinking of a higher amount of trade and cooperation with the Korean and Chinese peoples, and since I can make just about anything up. Currently, the entire region, after being put into submission by the current rulers a few decades ago, is once again in a state of turmoil. The individual states have begun to take sides in a three sided war, and they are at war with the states not incorporated to the South. They are in a state of civil war, and it'd be more interesting with iron working, or at least bronze.

Well, unfortunately, you don't start with either.

Though a civil war is a good excuse to import bronze and iron weapons from Korea and China, respectively.

And no one has a big enough navy to think about invading Japan. You are safe for a long while.

Oh man, horse archer empires are notoriously strong, but Crimea has water! Tough choice.

I think it depends on what you're trying to do/become. Crimea is a great place for a venice-like trade republic, while Donbass/Ukrainian steppe is a good place for a Hun/Magyar/Khazar analogue.

Is it possible to do a sort of Greek like system, where the food produce of the steppes allowed several small cities to pop up, and they've fused under some king? If i can't do that, then I'll probably do Crimea.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Well, unfortunately, you don't start with either.

Though a civil war is a good excuse to import bronze and iron weapons from Korea and China, respectively.

And no one has a big enough navy to think about invading Japan. You are safe for a long while.



I think it depends on what you're trying to do/become. Crimea is a great place for a venice-like trade republic, while Donbass/Ukrainian steppe is a good place for a Hun/Magyar/Khazar analogue.

Is it possible to do a sort of Greek like system, where the food produce of the steppes allowed several small cities to pop up, and they've fused under some king? If i can't do that, then I'll probably do Crimea.

Eh, the trouble is that the steppes don't really have a motivation for cities to form. In the places that are civilized (near East, Anatolia, Indus, China), cooperation was essentially for the production of food, primarily for irrigation. The steppe plains are the realm of nomads, and animal husbandry as the primary method of food production. It's a bit hard to build a permanent city when your grazing herds have to move every week. In the Crimea, on the other hand, you can't graze nearly as widely, so there are incentives to sedentary food production.

[The Peoples East Africa]

Is it possible to do a sort of Greek like system, where the food produce of the steppes allowed several small cities to pop up, and they've fused under some king? If i can't do that, then I'll probably do Crimea.

Eh, the trouble is that the steppes don't really have a motivation for cities to form. In the places that are civilized (near East, Anatolia, Indus, China), cooperation was essentially for the production of food, primarily for irrigation. The steppe plains are the realm of nomads, and animal husbandry as the primary method of food production. It's a bit hard to build a permanent city when your grazing herds have to move every week. In the Crimea, on the other hand, you can't graze nearly as widely, so there are incentives to sedentary food production.

Ah good point. In that case I'll be going for the Crimea, app in a little bit.

[Era the Mind]

I don't want to be wasted by my neighbors. I was thinking of a higher amount of trade and cooperation with the Korean and Chinese peoples, and since I can make just about anything up. Currently, the entire region, after being put into submission by the current rulers a few decades ago, is once again in a state of turmoil. The individual states have begun to take sides in a three sided war, and they are at war with the states not incorporated to the South. They are in a state of civil war, and it'd be more interesting with iron working, or at least bronze.

Well, unfortunately, you don't start with either.

Though a civil war is a good excuse to import bronze and iron weapons from Korea and China, respectively.

And no one has a big enough navy to think about invading Japan. You are safe for a long while.

Oh man, horse archer empires are notoriously strong, but Crimea has water! Tough choice.

I think it depends on what you're trying to do/become. Crimea is a great place for a venice-like trade republic, while Donbass/Ukrainian steppe is a good place for a Hun/Magyar/Khazar analogue.

Hm. Still, I need those weapons xD I know I have contact with the Koreans and the Japanese, which means I could very well have them. Ugh. What kind of weapons do I even have? >_> Maybe I'll develop a ceramic spear with a harder/more durable tip than the rest of the spearhead and a bamboo shaft that, upon contact with skin, will break in the skin or the armor and leave shrapnel, with one side of it being a choice for permanent combat instead of emergency kill shots/ways to slow opponents down. ^_^

[The Peoples East Africa]

Reservation

Poster: The Peoples East Africa
Name: Kingdom of Dunishka
Territory: http://imgur.com/ELdTFQX

429

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

By the way, everyone, if Orson does meet the "requirements" of having a professional army in this time period, then that means those of you without a professional army are going to be horribly defeated when it comes to war. You poor people :c

You can have a professional army.
I have one, but it's 0.2% of my population because 60,000 men in this era is ridiculous. Lack of logistics, food production capability, organised structure to any extent (granted, inherited from Borizu could be used), lack of infrastructure across the board.

Having a full time army that big would probably break Boemil to a point of no return.

A tribe of the Victorians is entirely devoted to being the Military forces of the United Kingdom. Does that count as Professional?

[Era the Mind]

You can have a professional army.
I have one, but it's 0.2% of my population because 60,000 men in this era is ridiculous. Lack of logistics, food production capability, organised structure to any extent (granted, inherited from Borizu could be used), lack of infrastructure across the board.

Having a full time army that big would probably break Boemil to a point of no return.

A tribe of the Victorians is entirely devoted to being the Military forces of the United Kingdom. Does that count as Professional?

No. Professionals are paid for stuff. Besides, the tribe would still have to have people who made food for them in the tribe, otherwise they wouldn't be self sustaining at all. Frankly, they'd be morons if they didn't do other things.

[Terminus Alpha]

Well, unfortunately, you don't start with either.

Though a civil war is a good excuse to import bronze and iron weapons from Korea and China, respectively.

And no one has a big enough navy to think about invading Japan. You are safe for a long while.



I think it depends on what you're trying to do/become. Crimea is a great place for a venice-like trade republic, while Donbass/Ukrainian steppe is a good place for a Hun/Magyar/Khazar analogue.

Hm. Still, I need those weapons xD I know I have contact with the Koreans and the Japanese, which means I could very well have them. Ugh. What kind of weapons do I even have? >_> Maybe I'll develop a ceramic spear with a harder/more durable tip than the rest of the spearhead and a bamboo shaft that, upon contact with skin, will break in the skin or the armor and leave shrapnel, with one side of it being a choice for permanent combat instead of emergency kill shots/ways to slow opponents down. ^_^

Just to be clear - there are no IRL cultures here.

Also, contact doesn't imply trade. One of your first posts could be about the acquisition of weapons and armor. Once you have the weapons, there's nothing stopping you from making more and innovating on the design. (Except for Japan's total lack of good-quality ores, but that's a different story.)

And ceramic weapons weren't really a thing - mostly because stone/bone/wood/metal does a better job when you have limited technology and resources. Ceramics are for pots and plates.

[Terminus Alpha]

Reservation

Poster: The Peoples East Africa
Name: TPEA, or East Africa, or is this the name of my IC nation?
Territory: http://imgur.com/ELdTFQX

429 (This is used to mark this as an official reservation. If this is not present, I can't search "429" and find this reservation)

IC nation.

[The Peoples East Africa]

Reservation

Poster: The Peoples East Africa
Name: TPEA, or East Africa, or is this the name of my IC nation?
Territory: http://imgur.com/ELdTFQX

429 (This is used to mark this as an official reservation. If this is not present, I can't search "429" and find this reservation)

IC nation.

Ah i see.

[Krugmar]

You can have a professional army.
I have one, but it's 0.2% of my population because 60,000 men in this era is ridiculous. Lack of logistics, food production capability, organised structure to any extent (granted, inherited from Borizu could be used), lack of infrastructure across the board.

Having a full time army that big would probably break Boemil to a point of no return.

A tribe of the Victorians is entirely devoted to being the Military forces of the United Kingdom. Does that count as Professional?

Yes, they have devoted themselves to a profession.

[The Peoples East Africa]

IC nation.

Ah i see.

Gave a proper name.

[Era the Mind]

Hm. Still, I need those weapons xD I know I have contact with the Koreans and the Japanese, which means I could very well have them. Ugh. What kind of weapons do I even have? >_> Maybe I'll develop a ceramic spear with a harder/more durable tip than the rest of the spearhead and a bamboo shaft that, upon contact with skin, will break in the skin or the armor and leave shrapnel, with one side of it being a choice for permanent combat instead of emergency kill shots/ways to slow opponents down. ^_^

Just to be clear - there are no IRL cultures here.

Also, contact doesn't imply trade. One of your first posts could be about the acquisition of weapons and armor. Once you have the weapons, there's nothing stopping you from making more and innovating on the design. (Except for Japan's total lack of good-quality ores, but that's a different story.)

And ceramic weapons weren't really a thing - mostly because stone/bone/wood/metal does a better job when you have limited technology and resources. Ceramics are for pots and plates.

Actually, the Chinese and Koreans were instrumental to the development of the Japanese cultures for thousands and thousands of years. They didn't just trade, the Japanese ended up borrowing an entire system of government and keeping time from the Chinese, while they learned wet-rice whatever from the Koreans. And good point.

Since no IRL cultures exist here, I'll just acquire the weapons and armor. That means I can make a katana :3 Yaaaay... I shall haz Shogunate and samurai/saburai sooner than eve-okay, no, no that's bad. Bad Era. BAD! No Shogunate for you. :c Uhm... anyways, I'm being silly, so ignore everything above this and look below.

I'll acquire the weapons and armor, and then I... yes, katana. I want a katana.

[Era the Mind]

A tribe of the Victorians is entirely devoted to being the Military forces of the United Kingdom. Does that count as Professional?

Yes, they have devoted themselves to a profession.

Not necessarily. It's highly unlikely that they are devoted to just one thing. :/ They still have women and children. Do they fight too? Where did they get their food before becoming part of a larger civilization/where do they get their food from now?

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

A tribe of the Victorians is entirely devoted to being the Military forces of the United Kingdom. Does that count as Professional?

No. Professionals are paid for stuff. Besides, the tribe would still have to have people who made food for them in the tribe, otherwise they wouldn't be self sustaining at all. Frankly, they'd be morons if they didn't do other things.

That was a sort of Exaggeration, They're MORE Military focused, due to Religious reason, in the sense of they take it extremely seriously.

[Era the Mind]

No. Professionals are paid for stuff. Besides, the tribe would still have to have people who made food for them in the tribe, otherwise they wouldn't be self sustaining at all. Frankly, they'd be morons if they didn't do other things.

That was a sort of Exaggeration, They're MORE Military focused, due to Religious reason, in the sense of they take it extremely seriously.

Ah. See, now your tribe isn't all dead because of stupidity and making everyone a warrior. (I'm snarky T_T Feel the snark, it is my form of love). Now, you need a hug.

*Hugs.*

Exaggeration is my favorite form of compassion. :|

[Krugmar]

Yes, they have devoted themselves to a profession.

Not necessarily. It's highly unlikely that they are devoted to just one thing. :/ They still have women and children. Do they fight too? Where did they get their food before becoming part of a larger civilization/where do they get their food from now?

I wasn't commenting on whether it is plausible for an entire tribe to devote themselves militarily, I was saying that a tribe which devotes itself purely to military matters should be considered professional, even if not paid. If they aren't considered professional, then they have the worst training regime ever created.

[Era the Mind]

Not necessarily. It's highly unlikely that they are devoted to just one thing. :/ They still have women and children. Do they fight too? Where did they get their food before becoming part of a larger civilization/where do they get their food from now?

I wasn't commenting on whether it is plausible for an entire tribe to devote themselves militarily, I was saying that a tribe which devotes itself purely to military matters should be considered professional, even if not paid. If they aren't considered professional, then they have the worst training regime ever created.

You are completely correct. ^_^ You deserve... what do people who are right get as a prize? >_>

[Sanabel]

;-; please nu. In that case Crimea it is.

Wait you're in the bloody desert you can't hurt me.

We will migrate up to Crimea and fite u

[The Peoples East Africa]

Wait you're in the bloody desert you can't hurt me.

We will migrate up to Crimea and fite u

On one side the glorious Caucasus mountains protect me, and on the other i got angry Europeans. Plus I'll have some military, although it'll be a bunch of farmers armed with spears, but that's all the Greeks needed. Come at me and be destroyed!