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[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

#Vote

Where it's justifiable

[Alleniana]

4 votes for anywhere-IR, none against, mine is neutral. That's more like it, not this 16-16 stalemate.

[Finland SSR]

FINNY METHOD WINS

[Alleniana]

FINNY METHOD WINS

*Morris Redetermining Technological, Economic and Developmental Distribution Industrial Revolution Theory
Mr Ted Dirt

[box]Application

Poster: Lothair Udo
Name: The State of Peonisos|Peonisos|Peon|Peoi

Finally! DUCKS!

Probably still a bit too advanced; how is the navy funded? A navy of that size is justifiable with merchant marine kind of stuff and whatnot, but you have to explain. Also, whether they're rowed, or sailed, which makes a big difference to upkeep. Tourism isn't a thing yet, why is income inequality so low? And unemployment too? In fact, why is unemployment a deal? It wasn't really thought of in the ancient world, when jobs were for a lifetime. Concept of diploannex doesn't really exist, illegal gold is a big strange (but I guess you can keep it... just why?)
edit: hey my postcount is a palindrome ayyy

[Liecthenbourg]

I'm not sure if I'm going to have the time to flesh out my post completely today.

I'm going to leave the post blank, with a quick summary of key points at the end. I'm sorry about that, but I'm going to be preoccupied for the day - I'll attempt to come back at some point later (If I have time) or fill it in at a later date.

[Alleniana]

Bother, #Vote also makes just the word vote come up. Use vote429 to tag your votes from now on; those of you who've already voted using #vote, don't worry about it.

[Finland SSR]

vote429 Finny method.

[Alleniana]

#Vote

Where it's justifiable

Anywhere it can be justified. #vote

I'll have a post up sooner rather than later. Just trying to figure out whether it makes more sense to focus on domestic affairs; or wait to see how everyone else is forming up first, and go for focusing on our trade/foreign relations right off the bat.

IR anywhere bb.

#vote.

vote429
All votes so far. Actually 3, not 4, but eh. Now with Fin it's 4.

Allow in other regions - 4
Disallow in other regions - 0
Other - 0
Abstain - 1

edit: can everyone go back and check that they noted where their capital was in their app? Not to pick on you, but for example, I noticed you hadn't put it in, Rygondira. I haven't been paying enough attention, so sorry about that, but please do so so that we can put it on the map.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Vote429

As long as the necessary boxes are ticked, the industrial revolution could happen wherever.

An area just needs plenty of cheap, easily accessible coal, a demand for cheap labour, and the invention of the steam engine. Also, the demand for manufactured goods needs to be high enough.

[Alleniana]

After the Great Stalemate, we have the Grand Landslide. 5-0, 1 abstain, 0 other.

[Finland SSR]

After the Great Stalemate, we have the Grand Landslide. 5-0, 1 abstain, 0 other.

Question:

If my culture splits up into a culture group, do I still control it whole or just the main culture?

[Alleniana]

After the Great Stalemate, we have the Grand Landslide. 5-0, 1 abstain, 0 other.

Question:

If my culture splits up into a culture group, do I still control it whole or just the main culture?

Just the main culture, I guess. I should add the nation vs state thing as a regulation.

[The Grim Reaper]

An area just needs plenty of cheap, easily accessible coal, a demand for cheap labour, and the invention of the steam engine. Also, the demand for manufactured goods needs to be high enough.

According to the International Energy Agency's webpage on coal in Sri Lanka, "No topic was selected, or the selected topic could not be found."

Well, looks like Sri Lanka is either becoming an Empire, or buying its IR ;_;

[Finland SSR]

Question:

If my culture splits up into a culture group, do I still control it whole or just the main culture?

Just the main culture, I guess. I should add the nation vs state thing as a regulation.

[Alleniana]

Just the main culture, I guess. I should add the nation vs state thing as a regulation.

Well I can't have people pulling PIEs and taking all Eurasia, can I? But if it's only very few, and they're still fairly close in all senses of the world, I guess you can have more than the main.

[G-Tech Corporation]

An area just needs plenty of cheap, easily accessible coal, a demand for cheap labour, and the invention of the steam engine. Also, the demand for manufactured goods needs to be high enough.

According to the International Energy Agency's webpage on coal in Sri Lanka, "No topic was selected, or the selected topic could not be found."

Well, looks like Sri Lanka is either becoming an Empire, or buying its IR ;_;

No worries. Svath has plenty of coal to import.

Well I can't have people pulling PIEs and taking all Eurasia, can I? But if it's only very few, and they're still fairly close in all senses of the world, I guess you can have more than the main.

Heh.

Heh.

Heh.

*plots*

[Finland SSR]

Vote429

As long as the necessary boxes are ticked, the industrial revolution could happen wherever.

An area just needs plenty of cheap, easily accessible coal, a demand for cheap labour, and the invention of the steam engine. Also, the demand for manufactured goods needs to be high enough.

There's waaay more to it. The Industrial Revolution isn't just a bunch of railroads and steel mills.

You need the Scientific Method, a commercial base, large amounts of capital within the people's hands, access to international trade, a free, non-mercantilistic economy, a centralized secular government and more.

That's why we call it the "Science and Technical Revolution" in Europe.

[Alleniana]

I think I'll create an Official IR Checklist. OIRC, pronounced "wörk" jajajajajxaxaxaxaxxixixixixikekekekekHEUEHUEHEUEYGEYEGEHUEHEUEHHSUAHSUAHSAUHSAUSHAUSH

1. Economy of sufficient scale
a. Large surplus population
b. Ability for surplus population to urbanise
c. Large enough population in general
d. Density of overall population
2. Innovation
a. Societal tolerance or atmosphere of support via educational institutions for and political, social and economic climate allowing inventions and discoveries
b. Societal tolerance or atmosphere of support for and political, social and economic climate allowing application of inventions and discoveries, especially to own benefit
c. Societal understanding and accumulation of innovation and knowledge
3. Capital
a. Large classes of people able to afford stuff
b. Enough capital in free circulation to invest in IR stuff
c. Some certain raw resources to process
4. Luck
a. A touch of luck

And all of this sustained, to keep going

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Question:

If my culture splits up into a culture group, do I still control it whole or just the main culture?

Just the main culture, I guess. I should add the nation vs state thing as a regulation.

Can I control the groups of the Dai Goju initially, since there isn't much deviation besides geography?

[The Grim Reaper]

I think I'll create an Official IR Checklist. OIRC, pronounced "wörk" jajajajajxaxaxaxaxxixixixixikekekekekHEUEHUEHEUEYGEYEGEHUEHEUEHHSUAHSUAHSAUHSAUSHAUSH

1. Economy of sufficient scale
a. Large surplus population
b. Ability for surplus population to urbanise
c. Large enough population in general
d. Density of overall population
2. Freedom to innovate
a. Societal tolerance for and political, social and economic climate allowing inventions and discoveries
b. Societal tolerance for and political, social and economic climate allowing application of inventions and discoveries, especially to own benefit
3. Capital
a. Large classes of people able to afford stuff
b. Enough capital in free circulation to invest in IR stuff
c. Some certain raw resources to process
4. Luck
a. A touch of luck

And all of this sustained, to keep going

I Random.Orged a 1-100 roll to see if I had no. 4), and I rolled a 55. So I'm good on that front, just need to work on the other three then!

[G-Tech Corporation]

And coal Allen.

Can't forget that boom-boom pow, you need that anthracite wow.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Is it Day II now? 50-100 AFB?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Is it Day II now? 50-100 AFB?

Something something first "day" lasts really long.

I hope not, at any rate. I haven't even finished year 30

[Alleniana]

And coal Allen.

Can't forget that boom-boom pow, you need that anthracite wow.

Comes under certain raw resources. You could have a textile IR, in which case you'd need the bits of wood and metal to build the machines, presumably stuff to write on to organise and design, but more important, lots of stuff to process into textile, i.e. cotton, flax, wool, or whatever else there is. Of course, you'd also need wind or water to power it (or, heh, beast of burden, or unskilled slaves who can't become skilled and do the word for you) and it wouldn't be long before that ran out, at which point yes, you would need coal, unless you can get oil or gas or something (either wild AH that's so ridiculous it might just be plausible, or applies to later industrialisations), or have lots of industrial-like plantations (dat bamboo) for charcoal (coal coke? Can you make coal coke out of charcoal???), or some other energy source. At which point, you need metallurgy to handle the energy resources, and metal ores, but this is all later on. It would be just as plausible to have, perhaps, a metals-based IR where mining, then smelting, then smithing become the big things... anyway.

Is it Day II now? 50-100 AFB?

Assuming people went up to 50 A.F.B. ICly, then it will be in about 7 hours. I'm at 4 am +, and I think I'm 11 hours ahead of UTC.

Is it Day II now? 50-100 AFB?

Something something first "day" lasts really long.

I hope not, at any rate. I haven't even finished year 30

Yeah, the remaining 6 hours of the 18th were pasted into the 90th, so first day was actually 30 hours.

[Equalsun Empire]

Vote429

As long as the necessary boxes are ticked, the industrial revolution could happen wherever.

An area just needs plenty of cheap, easily accessible coal, a demand for cheap labour, and the invention of the steam engine. Also, the demand for manufactured goods needs to be high enough.

There's waaay more to it. The Industrial Revolution isn't just a bunch of railroads and steel mills.

You need the Scientific Method, a commercial base, large amounts of capital within the people's hands, access to international trade, a free, non-mercantilistic economy, a centralized secular government and more.

That's why we call it the "Science and Technical Revolution" in Europe.

Why a secular government? Wouldn't it only matter if said religious institution prohibited science?

Also, abstain497, I'm fine with not curb-stomping Asia ;p

Also, All, mind if I simply do 0-100 in my next post? I was going to do a simple summary of what happened today, but Canadian schools have exams next week...