Recorded History [OOC]

[Equalsun Empire]

Also, current Vicky II map of the world and English culture map. Don't judge the Victoria, it's still rough

Click here for eye candy

[G-Tech Corporation]

Finishing year zero feels like such a victory.

[Togeria]

I didn't want to post first. Just because I didn't what to post.

[Reatra]

WAIT FUCK AHIT IC IS UP

[G-Tech Corporation]

WAIT FUCK AHIT IC IS UP

Mhm.

I already conquered China.

[The Orson Empire]

Borizu is ours!

[G-Tech Corporation]

Few things Orson.

1) Sewers in Egypt?
2) Iron isn't stronger than bronze- the opposite, in fact.
3) No way the Sinai had a population of 125,000 in antiquity. Especially not a centralized population.

[Equalsun Empire]

Well, of course the IC goes up within 5 seconds of me heading to band rehearsal. Sigh... I guess I'll get to work then

Also, Orson, how did your troops reach the city of Borizu? And how do you plan to rebuild said city? It's well outside your territory, with a kingdom dividing you from it...

[The Assorted Saharan Outposts]

I have no way enough time to post what has happened over the fifty years.
I think I'll just post and then edit it as I go along.

Also, the Sinai thing was due to me. I came up with that nation, and it wasn't accepted. Since it was going to be invaded from the start anyways, I gave up on it and left it as it was. It's technically still on the map

[The Orson Empire]

Few things Orson.

1) Sewers in Egypt?
2) Iron isn't stronger than bronze- the opposite, in fact.
3) No way the Sinai had a population of 125,000 in antiquity. Especially not a centralized population.

1. Yes. While RL Egypt may not have had sewers at this time, since this alt-history, I decided to give Boemil sewers.
2. Really? I thought it was the other way around.
3. Well, I was just basing my figures off of Assorted Saharan Outposts's app.

Well, of course the IC goes up within 5 seconds of me heading to band rehearsal. Sigh... I guess I'll get to work then

Also, Orson, how did your troops reach the city of Borizu? And how do you plan to rebuild said city? It's well outside your territory, with a kingdom dividing you from it...

I already conquered that kingdom in Sinai. It's an NPC now, and even when it was player-controlled, I had already made arrangements to conquer it.

As for how I plan to rebuild Borizu, I was just going to gather some building materials and send some people from Boemil to reconstruct it.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Few things Orson.

1) Sewers in Egypt?
2) Iron isn't stronger than bronze- the opposite, in fact.
3) No way the Sinai had a population of 125,000 in antiquity. Especially not a centralized population.

1. Yes. While RL Egypt may not have had sewers at this time, since this alt-history, I decided to give Boemil sewers.
2. Really? I thought it was the other way around.
3. Well, I was just basing my figures off of Assorted Saharan Outposts's app.

Well, of course the IC goes up within 5 seconds of me heading to band rehearsal. Sigh... I guess I'll get to work then

Also, Orson, how did your troops reach the city of Borizu? And how do you plan to rebuild said city? It's well outside your territory, with a kingdom dividing you from it...

I already conquered that kingdom in Sinai. It's an NPC now, and even when it was player-controlled, I had already made arrangements to conquer it.

As for how I plan to rebuild Borizu, I was just going to gather some building materials and send some people from Boemil to reconstruct it.

1) But why would the people have sewers? Sewers were created by the IVC likely because they had the highest degree of urbanization in antiquity, a need Egypt wouldn't reach until Roman times. Since Boemil ~= Egypt in terms of population density, there wouldn't be any reason to have sewers, ICly.
2) Nah, trust me, I'm a metallurgical engineer. Raw iron, even cast iron, don't have the material qualities you want in armor or weapons to a superior extent than bronze. You have to start making steel before iron alloys become straight better. Iron is simply more useful because it's plentiful, and thus cheap compared to tin-bronze in antiquity. Officers and elites would wear bronze, whereas levies equipped from armories would make do with iron.
3) Mm. Guess we should've looked at that closer. Presumably no kingdom existed there, since there wasn't any actual player that ended up there. Unless there's some Sinai kingdom in history I've never heard of.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

i'll get a full post up shortly. About seven hours spent in a car has drained my mental batteries

[Togeria]

At a stump on what to post.

[Togeria]

The poll is having the realest deadlock of 2k16

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

At a stump on what to post.

Adopt the faith of the Victorians

[The Orson Empire]

1. Yes. While RL Egypt may not have had sewers at this time, since this alt-history, I decided to give Boemil sewers.
2. Really? I thought it was the other way around.
3. Well, I was just basing my figures off of Assorted Saharan Outposts's app.

I already conquered that kingdom in Sinai. It's an NPC now, and even when it was player-controlled, I had already made arrangements to conquer it.

As for how I plan to rebuild Borizu, I was just going to gather some building materials and send some people from Boemil to reconstruct it.

1) But why would the people have sewers? Sewers were created by the IVC likely because they had the highest degree of urbanization in antiquity, a need Egypt wouldn't reach until Roman times. Since Boemil ~= Egypt in terms of population density, there wouldn't be any reason to have sewers, ICly.
2) Nah, trust me, I'm a metallurgical engineer. Raw iron, even cast iron, don't have the material qualities you want in armor or weapons to a superior extent than bronze. You have to start making steel before iron alloys become straight better. Iron is simply more useful because it's plentiful, and thus cheap compared to tin-bronze in antiquity. Officers and elites would wear bronze, whereas levies equipped from armories would make do with iron.
3) Mm. Guess we should've looked at that closer. Presumably no kingdom existed there, since there wasn't any actual player that ended up there. Unless there's some Sinai kingdom in history I've never heard of.

1. Well Forrena, the capital of Boemil, has a population of 100,000. A city this big would need to have some sort of sewage system. Now, in rural areas, there may not be a sewage system.
2. I see.
3. Well, I'm not sure what to do about that.

[G-Tech Corporation]

1) But why would the people have sewers? Sewers were created by the IVC likely because they had the highest degree of urbanization in antiquity, a need Egypt wouldn't reach until Roman times. Since Boemil ~= Egypt in terms of population density, there wouldn't be any reason to have sewers, ICly.
2) Nah, trust me, I'm a metallurgical engineer. Raw iron, even cast iron, don't have the material qualities you want in armor or weapons to a superior extent than bronze. You have to start making steel before iron alloys become straight better. Iron is simply more useful because it's plentiful, and thus cheap compared to tin-bronze in antiquity. Officers and elites would wear bronze, whereas levies equipped from armories would make do with iron.
3) Mm. Guess we should've looked at that closer. Presumably no kingdom existed there, since there wasn't any actual player that ended up there. Unless there's some Sinai kingdom in history I've never heard of.

1. Well Forrena, the capital of Boemil, has a population of 100,000. A city this big would need to have some sort of sewage system. Now, in rural areas, there may not be a sewage system.
2. I see.
3. Well, I'm not sure what to do about that.

1) Hardly- Thebes in Egypt had a population of at least eighty thousand around 1000 BCE, and Memphis is attested to have been even larger, so analogous to your Forrena. Neither city has any evidence of a sewer system- that's the reason they were built next to the Nile. With such an easily usable flowing body of water for waste disposal, even with knowledge from the Greeks since before 1400 BCE, the Egyptians never built sewers until they were ruled by Rome. And that was likely more due to the Romans wanting sewers than any precise need for them.

I mean, I get it, OOCly you want sewers because plagues and sanitation and stuff. But starting the RP with ignoring IC developments in favor of OOC desires is a very poor precedent to begin in the first page.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Application

Poster: the imperial canadian dutchy
Name: (Tribes of) "United Kingdom" of Victorium,(Trìbus xe) Rexatus Xe Victorium
http://i.imgur.com/w2DsY6Y.png
Symbols: Black banner with a Deep red X surrounded by olive leaves
Territory: (A description or map, preferably a map
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zwFCPd80vD94.k-DeijT2cGVo&usp=sharing (Look at Wew Lad at your own risk)
Government Structure: The United Kingdom of Victorium is ruled in a Monarchy lead by the Victoriae tribe, because of their status of the prestigious descendants of the first born of the Ascended archangel Victorius xe Victorium, giving them the right to rule by the word of the LORD's covenant with his sons. However the kings authority really depends on where in the United Kingdom your are, as the the outer tribes take more heed of the authority of the Judges of the Tribes, who arise when there are issues, from the eldest members of the Tribe in question.
Ideology/Policy:Tribalism, Conservatism, Fundamentalism,
Leaders:

King of Victorium/Rēxat Princeps Xe Victorium

High Priest/ Pontefēx Maximus

Judges of the Tribes.
Foreign Relations: (How does your state interact with other nations and states? What does it think of them? What do they think of you? How does your state want to think of them, and to be thought of by them? How successful has it been at influencing and carrying out its goals with regards to those beyond its borders?)
Capital: Holy City of Victorium/Sacra Citatae xe Victorium (Really a town, but they can dream)
Demographics:
Around 200,000(?) heads are counted in the United Kingdom of Victorium, mostly of Victorian culture, although some wanderers from the neighbouring Pagan state of Ievolex inhabit the outer fringes of the Kingdom. Victorian people are mostly fair skinned, and posses dark brown hair and eyes,however the blue eye mutation is present in about 20% of the population. Most Victorians live in medium to large encampments, and depending on the tribe may migrate throughout the lands of the Tribe depending on need, this is more common in the outer tribes, with the Victoriae and Tìrizziae being rather sedentary while the tribe of Aenae near always is moving around.

Ethnicity: Near everyone in the United Kingdom of Victorian of ethnicity except for the aforementioned Ievolexì.
Language: The Victorians speak the tongue named Lìngvaxa Victoríana, a language that shares similarties with many neighboring people such as the Ievolexì, Antonìaei, and the Latìnì
Religion:
The Victorian tribes are a bit of an oddity in the way of religion in the lands surrounding it, as the Victorian tribes are Monotheistic worshiping only a God called the LORD. The faith of the Victorians is integral to their very society, which it has shaped around it. The Governance of the realm is bound by the pact with HIM to uphold his covenant in response for sparing them for Victorius' copulation with Europa, and the Presbìters have high authority even among the Judges of the Tribes. The Faith of the Victorians called Fìde Dominìs in their tongue is extremely hostile to foreign faiths, especially those of a Polytheistic nature who are decried as idolaters and misguided sheep. Conversion into the Faith is very much in tune with accepting the culture of the Victorians.

Fìde Dominìs is a faith extremely based in ritual and rites. The most important ritual being the Finìs on the seventh day on which the LORD created the first man and rested upon his creation, this is used by the Victorians as a day to fast and give thanks unto HIM.

Military Organization:
The Military is organized around pseudo regiments taken from every one of the tribes, due to the terms set forth by HIM for the bestowing of Kingship on the Victoriae. These "regiments" usually filled with Tìrizziae officers and commanded by the judge of the tribes whom the tithe is collected from, this is due to the Tìrizziae being ordained by the LORD, to be the soldiers of his word to the nations. The armies except from the Tìrizziae are generally just Militias formed up, in the case of the Tìrizziae they are built up in their lands as a Militaristic people who are always preparing to serve HIM in righteous struggle against the disbeliever.

Army: 5,000 men, 1,000 Tìrizziae, 2,000 Victoriae (Simply due to size), 3,000 from the other tribes. Mostly infantry,except for a single cavalry division of the Tìrizziae.
Navy: The Victorian tribes are able to construct crude dinghies that the use for fishing and minor transport, especially to the Tírizziae lagoon.
Air Force:the pigeons in the bay attack everyone, does that count?;)
Space Fleet: Latin Jews can into space?

Economy: The economy of the United kingdom is currently mainly based on agriculture, due to the fertility of the lands surrounding the harsh Karst plateau which in the eyes of the Victorian clergy is a sign of Gods covenant providing them with a bounteous land, with a harsh centre to represent Gods covenant with the Victorian peoples, of course this leaves the centre relying on food from the hinterlands. Other than this the United Kingdom sells cut rock to neighbouring peoples, because of it's renowned white colour, as well as excess cereal crops, however the Tìrizziae are currently working on a project to build a raft of sorts to trade further away from the homeland.


Infrastructure: What roads currently exist are small and honestly not very good, considering the primitive nature of Victorian stone masonry at the time. The roads are generally made by digging a hole, laying gravel and sand at the bottom and then placing cut down oak logs over the grounded rocks.
Trade: The United Kingdom does not trade much, other than selling stone and excess goods to neighbours
Currency: Cereal crops are used as currency as a sense, as it is involved with the tithe to the Presbìter

History: From the Oral stories of the Presbiters of the book of Origins, 10-20

"And then the LORD from his perch high in heaven looked down upon the men and women he had created, The LORD was displeased for those of which he partook in creation of over a span of time incommunicable to Human beings, for all his toils they had turned from HIM, to pantheons of meaningless masses of false gods and spirits of their ancestors as if their wills were able to be dictated from the promised heavens.[11] But the LORDS worship had not faded from the world in it's entirety for there was still a man and his family who held to the faith of the CREATOR, the man, a pauper by the name of Victorius son of Vagantius of E-R-- remained faith, and gave his thanks unto the LORD for all he hath provided, the LORD saw this and was pleased, but knew in HIS infinite wisdom, that action must be taken, and free will must be interfered with in the name of the Sins of Earth.

[12] Victorius one way was hunting in the wild and harsh plateaus around his Native home, in his view he saw a wolf which was large, and which he believed had much meat, he stalked the beast to an opening in the plateau, and the glory of all that LORD created was seen, for Victorius had stumbled upon the grotto, known as the "Mouth of the LORD" to the believers of the world of whom he was the last of, he wandered throughout the caverns, marveling at it's beauty and it's formations of stones, he saw wondrous stone trinckets which believers before him left in honor of the LORD.[13] The LORD saw the entrance of Victorius, and knew it was good, for then Victorius stumbled on a true act of the LORDS splendor and beauty.[13] The LORD had appeared to Victorius in the way of a fiery X engraved on the side of the wold of which he chased, the wolf was in a calmed state, not seeming to mind that it's body was consumed with fire and deep wounds, from the fire came a booming voice, "Victorius, Son of Vagantius, Do not be alarmed, remove your sandals, and kneel, for you now stand on Holy ground", Victorius in a panic slipped off his sandals and threw them away from the Fiery X, he kneeled and whispered the prayer of his forefathers and said with a quivering voice "What are you, Oh etching on the Wolf, A demon? Spirit?", the X pulsed with light and the skin of the wolf became irritated, the X pulsed again, and the voice boomed " I am the LORD, LORD of all that ever lived, That ever breathed in the air of which you inhale, The LORD of the rocks and trees, The lord whom has made life possible for a people who have turned away so easily! You'd do well to remember these Words", The frightened hunter trembled and whispered the prayer of the Forefathers again, and repeated to his LORD " W-why do you seek me oh LORD father of all?", The X pulsed and boomed " I have sought you out, Child, for the People of this world, have turned their backs on the creator, I have provided so much, but they turn to Gods who promise hate and hedonism or worshiping Man! The sinful creatures who are the source of their own affliction! I have sought you out child, Because I bestow upon you, the mission to preserve the belief in the Creator on Earth for generations to come, So that Humanity may have Salvation![14]

[15]Victorius then asked "Lord, I am but a simple hunter, how am I to preserve the faith? My wife, fell many years ago to afflictions of the heart, I have no offspring from who to pass the faith to? Who am I, and What am I to do?, the X boomed back "My Bidding", and continued, "Be it known that I will provide you with 10 sons and you will take them to the EAST and there I will have provided you a safe place to grow, I will not lie to you child, the land is hard, but you and the people your family bears, will be safe from the terrors of the sinners and hedonists, you will distribute the land to your sons, except for the 5th one, for he will bear the priests of the LORD, Your sons, will be my people, they shall have my protection, but they must always remember their obligations to me, as their Father, Go in peace and do as I bid." Victorius complied and returned to the town. [16]

-End Quote of the Oral Histories-

From this it can be assumed that Victorius followed the alleged will of the Lord, And the LORD kept his promise, as he gave Victorius a true daughter of the Lord of the Town, she was named Europa, a fair haired maiden of tall stature, Victorius fathered 10 sons, and took them with him, on the migration East, taking them to the Karst plateau, in this year 10 PFD the City of Victorium was founded by the sons of Victorius who divided the promised land between them, and kept to their covenant until this day.
Miscellaneous: (

Dating system= PFD Post Fœderìs Domìnì
429 (This is used to mark this as an official application. If this is not present, I can't search "429" and find this application)

[The Orson Empire]

1. Well Forrena, the capital of Boemil, has a population of 100,000. A city this big would need to have some sort of sewage system. Now, in rural areas, there may not be a sewage system.
2. I see.
3. Well, I'm not sure what to do about that.

1) Hardly- Thebes in Egypt had a population of at least eighty thousand around 1000 BCE, and Memphis is attested to have been even larger, so analogous to your Forrena. Neither city has any evidence of a sewer system- that's the reason they were built next to the Nile. With such an easily usable flowing body of water for waste disposal, even with knowledge from the Greeks since before 1400 BCE, the Egyptians never built sewers until they were ruled by Rome. And that was likely more due to the Romans wanting sewers than any precise need for them.

I mean, I get it, OOCly you want sewers because plagues and sanitation and stuff. But starting the RP with ignoring IC developments in favor of OOC desires is a very poor precedent to begin in the first page.

Well in RL, the Indus Valley Civilization had elaborate sewer systems well before anyone else, yet they were situated along a major river. I do not see why the same could happen to Boemil in this timeline.

While the Egyptians may not have developed it in RL, I am not Egypt. Boemil is a completely different nation, and this is a completely different timeline. One could even argue that Borizu developed sewer systems and spread them to Boemil, and we have simply updated the technology.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Application

Poster: the imperial canadian dutchy
Name: (Tribes of) "United Kingdom" of Victorium,(Trìbus xe) Rexatus Xe Victorium
http://i.imgur.com/w2DsY6Y.png
Symbols: Black banner with a Deep red X surrounded by olive leaves
Territory: (A description or map, preferably a map
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zwFCPd80vD94.k-DeijT2cGVo&usp=sharing (Look at Wew Lad at your own risk)
Government Structure: The United Kingdom of Victorium is ruled in a Monarchy lead by the Victoriae tribe, because of their status of the prestigious descendants of the first born of the Ascended archangel Victorius xe Victorium, giving them the right to rule by the word of the LORD's covenant with his sons. However the kings authority really depends on where in the United Kingdom your are, as the the outer tribes take more heed of the authority of the Judges of the Tribes, who arise when there are issues, from the eldest members of the Tribe in question.
Ideology/Policy:Tribalism, Conservatism, Fundamentalism,
Leaders:

King of Victorium/Rēxat Princeps Xe Victorium

High Priest/ Pontefēx Maximus

Judges of the Tribes.
Foreign Relations: (How does your state interact with other nations and states? What does it think of them? What do they think of you? How does your state want to think of them, and to be thought of by them? How successful has it been at influencing and carrying out its goals with regards to those beyond its borders?)
Capital: Holy City of Victorium/Sacra Citatae xe Victorium (Really a town, but they can dream)
Demographics:
Around 200,000(?) heads are counted in the United Kingdom of Victorium, mostly of Victorian culture, although some wanderers from the neighbouring Pagan state of Ievolex inhabit the outer fringes of the Kingdom. Victorian people are mostly fair skinned, and posses dark brown hair and eyes,however the blue eye mutation is present in about 20% of the population. Most Victorians live in medium to large encampments, and depending on the tribe may migrate throughout the lands of the Tribe depending on need, this is more common in the outer tribes, with the Victoriae and Tìrizziae being rather sedentary while the tribe of Aenae near always is moving around.

Ethnicity: Near everyone in the United Kingdom of Victorian of ethnicity except for the aforementioned Ievolexì.
Language: The Victorians speak the tongue named Lìngvaxa Victoríana, a language that shares similarties with many neighboring people such as the Ievolexì, Antonìaei, and the Latìnì
Religion:
The Victorian tribes are a bit of an oddity in the way of religion in the lands surrounding it, as the Victorian tribes are Monotheistic worshiping only a God called the LORD. The faith of the Victorians is integral to their very society, which it has shaped around it. The Governance of the realm is bound by the pact with HIM to uphold his covenant in response for sparing them for Victorius' copulation with Europa, and the Presbìters have high authority even among the Judges of the Tribes. The Faith of the Victorians called Fìde Dominìs in their tongue is extremely hostile to foreign faiths, especially those of a Polytheistic nature who are decried as idolaters and misguided sheep. Conversion into the Faith is very much in tune with accepting the culture of the Victorians.

Fìde Dominìs is a faith extremely based in ritual and rites. The most important ritual being the Finìs on the seventh day on which the LORD created the first man and rested upon his creation, this is used by the Victorians as a day to fast and give thanks unto HIM.

Military Organization:
The Military is organized around pseudo regiments taken from every one of the tribes, due to the terms set forth by HIM for the bestowing of Kingship on the Victoriae. These "regiments" usually filled with Tìrizziae officers and commanded by the judge of the tribes whom the tithe is collected from, this is due to the Tìrizziae being ordained by the LORD, to be the soldiers of his word to the nations. The armies except from the Tìrizziae are generally just Militias formed up, in the case of the Tìrizziae they are built up in their lands as a Militaristic people who are always preparing to serve HIM in righteous struggle against the disbeliever.

Army: 5,000 men, 1,000 Tìrizziae, 2,000 Victoriae (Simply due to size), 3,000 from the other tribes. Mostly infantry,except for a single cavalry division of the Tìrizziae.
Navy: The Victorian tribes are able to construct crude dinghies that the use for fishing and minor transport, especially to the Tírizziae lagoon.
Air Force:the pigeons in the bay attack everyone, does that count?;)
Space Fleet: Latin Jews can into space?

Economy: The economy of the United kingdom is currently mainly based on agriculture, due to the fertility of the lands surrounding the harsh Karst plateau which in the eyes of the Victorian clergy is a sign of Gods covenant providing them with a bounteous land, with a harsh centre to represent Gods covenant with the Victorian peoples, of course this leaves the centre relying on food from the hinterlands. Other than this the United Kingdom sells cut rock to neighbouring peoples, because of it's renowned white colour, as well as excess cereal crops, however the Tìrizziae are currently working on a project to build a raft of sorts to trade further away from the homeland.


Infrastructure: What roads currently exist are small and honestly not very good, considering the primitive nature of Victorian stone masonry at the time. The roads are generally made by digging a hole, laying gravel and sand at the bottom and then placing cut down oak logs over the grounded rocks.
Trade: The United Kingdom does not trade much, other than selling stone and excess goods to neighbours
Currency: Cereal crops are used as currency as a sense, as it is involved with the tithe to the Presbìter

History: From the Oral stories of the Presbiters of the book of Origins, 10-20

"And then the LORD from his perch high in heaven looked down upon the men and women he had created, The LORD was displeased for those of which he partook in creation of over a span of time incommunicable to Human beings, for all his toils they had turned from HIM, to pantheons of meaningless masses of false gods and spirits of their ancestors as if their wills were able to be dictated from the promised heavens.[11] But the LORDS worship had not faded from the world in it's entirety for there was still a man and his family who held to the faith of the CREATOR, the man, a pauper by the name of Victorius son of Vagantius of E-R-- remained faith, and gave his thanks unto the LORD for all he hath provided, the LORD saw this and was pleased, but knew in HIS infinite wisdom, that action must be taken, and free will must be interfered with in the name of the Sins of Earth.

[12] Victorius one way was hunting in the wild and harsh plateaus around his Native home, in his view he saw a wolf which was large, and which he believed had much meat, he stalked the beast to an opening in the plateau, and the glory of all that LORD created was seen, for Victorius had stumbled upon the grotto, known as the "Mouth of the LORD" to the believers of the world of whom he was the last of, he wandered throughout the caverns, marveling at it's beauty and it's formations of stones, he saw wondrous stone trinckets which believers before him left in honor of the LORD.[13] The LORD saw the entrance of Victorius, and knew it was good, for then Victorius stumbled on a true act of the LORDS splendor and beauty.[13] The LORD had appeared to Victorius in the way of a fiery X engraved on the side of the wold of which he chased, the wolf was in a calmed state, not seeming to mind that it's body was consumed with fire and deep wounds, from the fire came a booming voice, "Victorius, Son of Vagantius, Do not be alarmed, remove your sandals, and kneel, for you now stand on Holy ground", Victorius in a panic slipped off his sandals and threw them away from the Fiery X, he kneeled and whispered the prayer of his forefathers and said with a quivering voice "What are you, Oh etching on the Wolf, A demon? Spirit?", the X pulsed with light and the skin of the wolf became irritated, the X pulsed again, and the voice boomed " I am the LORD, LORD of all that ever lived, That ever breathed in the air of which you inhale, The LORD of the rocks and trees, The lord whom has made life possible for a people who have turned away so easily! You'd do well to remember these Words", The frightened hunter trembled and whispered the prayer of the Forefathers again, and repeated to his LORD " W-why do you seek me oh LORD father of all?", The X pulsed and boomed " I have sought you out, Child, for the People of this world, have turned their backs on the creator, I have provided so much, but they turn to Gods who promise hate and hedonism or worshiping Man! The sinful creatures who are the source of their own affliction! I have sought you out child, Because I bestow upon you, the mission to preserve the belief in the Creator on Earth for generations to come, So that Humanity may have Salvation![14]

[15]Victorius then asked "Lord, I am but a simple hunter, how am I to preserve the faith? My wife, fell many years ago to afflictions of the heart, I have no offspring from who to pass the faith to? Who am I, and What am I to do?, the X boomed back "My Bidding", and continued, "Be it known that I will provide you with 10 sons and you will take them to the EAST and there I will have provided you a safe place to grow, I will not lie to you child, the land is hard, but you and the people your family bears, will be safe from the terrors of the sinners and hedonists, you will distribute the land to your sons, except for the 5th one, for he will bear the priests of the LORD, Your sons, will be my people, they shall have my protection, but they must always remember their obligations to me, as their Father, Go in peace and do as I bid." Victorius complied and returned to the town. [16]

-End Quote of the Oral Histories-

From this it can be assumed that Victorius followed the alleged will of the Lord, And the LORD kept his promise, as he gave Victorius a true daughter of the Lord of the Town, she was named Europa, a fair haired maiden of tall stature, Victorius fathered 10 sons, and took them with him, on the migration East, taking them to the Karst plateau, in this year 10 PFD the City of Victorium was founded by the sons of Victorius who divided the promised land between them, and kept to their covenant until this day.
Miscellaneous: (

Dating system= PFD Post Fœderìs Domìnì
429 (This is used to mark this as an official application. If this is not present, I can't search "429" and find this application)

Whoops meant to be an edit

[Rygondria]

Application

Poster: Rygondria
Name: The Kingdom of Moedia,Modedians,,The Modinites to the people of the middle east and turkey,Meodians to the European area,They call themselves the chálkino ándres,or the bronze men
Symbols:
Flag: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/s/sy%7Darama.gif
Symbol of power war and conquest: http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?. ... d=41653052
Symbol of Peace: http://media.wnyc.org/media/shared/crow ... 50_q85.jpg
Territory: Cyprus

Government Structure: Moedia is ruled by a monarch but since he can not govern the whole island without being considered a tyrant by his subjects the land is divided by the Drogoski system,also known as the clan system. Each clan holds a section of the island along with the resources and people in their section of land, The clans usually answer to the king when it comes to issues of national importance but local issues are dealt with by the head clansmen,who usually traces his lineage back to one of the old Drogoski horse lords who rode with the Horse king during the period of the Old Drogoski kingdom. The area of the island the king rules is governed by him directly but it is a small area only including the northern tip of the island and the capital city itself.
Ideology/Policy: Moedia has a strong aristocratic policy with a mercantilism and expansionism mixed in.
Leaders: The leader is king Hykos "the bull" Rastati is the current ruler,
Foreign Relations: Moedias relations with the foreign world is ranges from neutral all the way to hostile depending on the nation. Most of the time they seek trade relations with nations in the eastern Mediterranean,They have been known to raid undefended costal cities but this practice is on the decline especially with the thriving copper and bronze trade they are developing. But with that they are also opportunists which they proved when they sized Cyprus from the past inhabitants over 500 years ago when they where fighting among themselves in a civil war.Seeing as how the kingdoms population is growing quickly and the islands in the Mediterranean,especially rhodes seem to be tempting targets,even areas in the middle east and the rest of the Mediterranean may be fair game to them depending they are not owned by a nation with a superior army. Foreign alliances can happen but they are extremely rare an are usually achieved through diplomatic marriage.
Capital: The capital and largest city is Mesinion

Demographics: About 200,000 thousand people live in Moedia most of which are centered in the fertile north. Most of the population would live in farms while two percent of the population live in larger towns and cities. There are more more men that women in Moedia which can cause moedian men to seek brides from outside the kingdom,which may or may not involve bride stealing or buying or taking slave,the average age is between 21-42.
Ethnicity: The average Moedian is tall with black hair and tan skin. They decend from two groups,The Drogoski of what is the real world equivalent of Lebanon and arabia,and the Pelinos of real world Northern Greece and Albania. Both these groups invaded cyprus over 500 years ago in which the native population of cyprus was either displaced,killed,or enslaved. The two groups over the course of 500 years intermarried and produced the current Moedians we know today,even though there are a few pure blooded Drogoski and Pelinos left in Moedia but they are a minority and slowly dying out.There is a legend that the gods created the drogoskis out of bronze hence the name Men of bronze,this legend was probably made up to explain their tannish skin but it is most likely that the desert environment they developed in before there invasion of cyprus is the main reason for such. A pure blooded pelino on the other hand is pale with light colored hair and general smaller than there Drogoski brethen.
Language: The Moedian language is taken mostly from Drogoski linguistic traditions mixed in with native and Pelino words. They have a form of written language is carried over from the Pelinos who kept records of the accomplishments of their warrior kings before there invasion of Cyprus. The alphabet contains 30 words and is only used by the scribes and the wealthy,unless a lowly peasant is educated by a merciful scribe at a temple or something like that.
Religion: The Religion of Moedia is completely Pelino in orgin,The main reason of which is because the Drogoski religion was nothing more that a disorganized mess of shamans and spirits but as soon as the Pelinos introduced their religon the old Drogoski ways where forgotten within one hundred years a the Pelino Parthenon was adopted. The priests are the highest authorities on the religion,the priests aare divided according to which god they serve and the rituals vary depending on the god.
The list of gods and their domains
Qozione, God Of Life and king of the gods,
Typmir, God Of Battle and of war
Ephine, Goddess Of Love and fertility
Viva, Goddess Of The Underworld and of death
Ityx, God Of Blacksmiths
Bophine, Goddess Of The Sky
Eeyr, God Of the Sea
Dyna, Goddess Of Trade and Commerce
and a variety of other i can not list
Military Organization: The kingdoms military is based of levies from the citizenry,Traditionally it is the king that leads an army in the time of war with the smaller forcres being led by generals and officers.The militray itself is divided into army and navy with the king also commanding naval operations but not to the extent as his command to the army,he usually regulates naval control to the captains of the ships themselves which then answer to a high captain whoa answers to the king.
Army: The army is based on levies,They are typically are equipped with bronze swords or spears along with wooden shields,or if the solider in question is wealthy or is well connected a bronze shield.Unlike weapons armor is purchased by the solider themselves,a typical solider would usually be wearing cloth or leather armor and if he is lucky a few studs of bronze included with the leather. If the solider is of better means he may have a bronze breastplate or helmet,a full set of bronze armor can only be afforded by the nobility or the wealthy,Archers are usually placed in the back of the army and use a volley technique to rain down arrows on their enimies,in the case where archers are attack by an enemy they carry bronze knives a s protection. Calvalry is usually the wealthy who can afford horses,there are two type of calvary in the army,the traditional lancers who charge their enemies with bronze spears and the drogoski horse archers who as their name implies are horse archers who use hit and run tactics against enimies but they are more than capable of charging their enemies. there are about 10,000 soldiers at the moment.
Navy: Unlike the army the navy is almost made out of recruits who man the ships for a term of twenty years,due to their need on the uninterrupted flow of their trade the navy is on constant patrol against pirates and threats to their trade,There are four type of people on a typical Moedian galley,the rowers who as implied row to galley,they usually below deck and are not equipped with armor but they have bronze knives to fight of borders,the second are the sailors who are above deck and are tasked with proper maintaining the ship and defending it from attack,the third group are marines which are basically foot soliders tasked with the actual boarding along with backup from the sailors the marines are either equipped with swords,spears or bows and arrows the swordsmen and spear men equipped with bronze armor while the archers receive leather. The fourth and the most important person on a galley is the captain who in charge of making tactical decisions,making sure it actually gets to its position in peace,and care of his crew,the captain in turn answers to the high captain who gives out orders for naval campaign based on orders from the king
Air Force: None
Space Fleet: None

Economy: The economy is doing quite well for itself,especially with the bronze trade which has been fueling the economy along with the other minerals that are being mined in the island,but if bronze ever falls out of fashion or their exports are blocked off the moedian economy would be damaged. Agriculture like most countries in this region also agriculture plays an important part in the economy with most of the food being used for feeding the population but a few cash crops,most grapes and olive are exported for trade. Then there is trade, As i said the Aforementioned bronze trade is the lifeline of the kingdom. Along with the bronze trade the moedians also export copper,tin,iron even though they themselves hardly use it seeing as they are perfectly satisfied with bronze at the moment,grapes and olives. They import luxuries,food,especially grain and barley.
Infrastructure: Moedias infrastructure is good but not as developed as it could be,mainly due to the kings ignoring building projects both in the past and the present. Sure,there has been some ambitious building programs but none of them have reached a grand scale. Dirt roads connect villages and towns to the main city. The buildings are usually made of stone or wood and range from one story all the way to four depending on the wealth of the individual.
Trade: Trade is a important to moedia especially its bronze trade which is one of its main stays of it s economy. Trade is monitored by ministers who make sure that exports are of a cetain standard before they are shipped off to foreign nations,imports also go through the same process
Currency: There is not currency for day to day excahnges in moedia,the common people trade by using the barter system,but the merchants dealing in foreign lands use pieces of raw gold as exchanges for goods or payment for troops

History: The History of Moedia begin with two groups of people,The Drogoskis,Who where a nomadic people who ruled a kingdom that stretched from Lebanon and Nothern Arabia and the Pelinos,a group of Tribals that originated from Northern Greece and Albania who lived in scattered villages,one would assume that these people would not have contact with each other but history always has a way of making the unlikely occur. About 700 years ago the Drogoskis kingdom was defeated by a Invasion from a group of nomads from Persia while the pelinos where forced to migrate from there homelands after their lands where affected by natural disasters and invasions from the Danube river men. These people where forced to wander for two hundred hears as nomadic barbarians with no land to call their own. But about five hundred ten years ago the Pelinos acquired galleys from one of the many city states in asia minor and set sail in hopes of arriving in The Middle east,but they arrived in Cyprus instead which was in a civil war by the time of their arrival,seeing opportunity the Pelinos attacked the Divided Cypriots in a war for conquest and extermination,around this time the Drogoskis would also arrive in Cyprus due to a fleet of their own landed. A three way war waged in Cyprus for ten long years with the Pelinos,Drogskis,and the Cypriots fought for dominion of the island. Wihtin five years the Natives where either Enslaved,slaughtered,hiding in the hills,or fled the isalnd leaving only the Pelinos and Drogoskis to fight for control of the island. The war ended not in a final battle but in a marrage between the Pelino king and the Drogoskis chieftains daighter,this act of union between the two peoples symbolized the birth of a new nation,Moedia meaning land of bronze. Over the next five hundred years the two people would become one,there nation would be established as a prominent bronze trading nation,and the capital city would be built along with their legendary docks. But now we arrive at the regin of King hykos Rastati who has a problem,the nations population is expanding rapidly and the warriors are growing bored after years of peace,yet the merchants want an uninterrupted flow of trade. Whether he choses conquest of wealth the choices he makes in he reign well affect the kingdom forever.
Miscellaneous: none

429 (This is used to mark this as an official application. If this is not present, I can't search "429" and find this application)

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[Togeria]

I'll post tomorrow.

[Alleniana]

Huh, how did you figure out what I said?

Not through migration, though?

Not for long; Boemil was the primary power not only in the region, but the world for thousands of years earlier.

South China is fairly rubbish at this point in time, and frankly, is conquer-bait for the better organised northerners. I won't stop you though. Though, you could consider taking the rest of urban northern China, roughly corresponding to the parts of Zhou Reatra hasn't taken, and that would be on par.

Indeed.

Looking through apps later.

Why are all of my ideas always "rubbish"...

Mmm? 90% of the world is rubbish at this stage I assume you want a centralised, urbanised state, which is why I say that. If you don't have to have that though, wherever is fine, in which case nothing but the middle of giant deserts and the poles are rubbish.

1. Yes. While RL Egypt may not have had sewers at this time, since this alt-history, I decided to give Boemil sewers.
2. Really? I thought it was the other way around.
3. Well, I was just basing my figures off of Assorted Saharan Outposts's app.

I already conquered that kingdom in Sinai. It's an NPC now, and even when it was player-controlled, I had already made arrangements to conquer it.

As for how I plan to rebuild Borizu, I was just going to gather some building materials and send some people from Boemil to reconstruct it.

1) But why would the people have sewers? Sewers were created by the IVC likely because they had the highest degree of urbanization in antiquity, a need Egypt wouldn't reach until Roman times. Since Boemil ~= Egypt in terms of population density, there wouldn't be any reason to have sewers, ICly.
2) Nah, trust me, I'm a metallurgical engineer. Raw iron, even cast iron, don't have the material qualities you want in armor or weapons to a superior extent than bronze. You have to start making steel before iron alloys become straight better. Iron is simply more useful because it's plentiful, and thus cheap compared to tin-bronze in antiquity. Officers and elites would wear bronze, whereas levies equipped from armories would make do with iron.
3) Mm. Guess we should've looked at that closer. Presumably no kingdom existed there, since there wasn't any actual player that ended up there. Unless there's some Sinai kingdom in history I've never heard of.

No, no kingdom ever existed there. It's stateless.

Regarding bronze vs iron; IRL, due to the collapse of bronze trade, iron became better than bronze because people began to forget how to work bronze well, and were far more familiar with iron. Ironworking technology surpassed bronzeworking during the collapse, and bronze never caught back up. So, at this stage, iron might be better, but bronze could also potentially be better.

1) Hardly- Thebes in Egypt had a population of at least eighty thousand around 1000 BCE, and Memphis is attested to have been even larger, so analogous to your Forrena. Neither city has any evidence of a sewer system- that's the reason they were built next to the Nile. With such an easily usable flowing body of water for waste disposal, even with knowledge from the Greeks since before 1400 BCE, the Egyptians never built sewers until they were ruled by Rome. And that was likely more due to the Romans wanting sewers than any precise need for them.

I mean, I get it, OOCly you want sewers because plagues and sanitation and stuff. But starting the RP with ignoring IC developments in favor of OOC desires is a very poor precedent to begin in the first page.

Well in RL, the Indus Valley Civilization had elaborate sewer systems well before anyone else, yet they were situated along a major river. I do not see why the same could happen to Boemil in this timeline.

While the Egyptians may not have developed it in RL, I am not Egypt. Boemil is a completely different nation, and this is a completely different timeline. One could even argue that Borizu developed sewer systems and spread them to Boemil, and we have simply updated the technology.

Borizu did not develop sewer systems. But, you can have basic sewers, that's fine... just consider that they will be very expensive, and fairly useless for a long time. You'll have to come up a justification for why they are built; religious, the kings having a soft spot for them? Because they're not going to be economically viable.

Looking over apps.

[Alleniana]

Application

Poster: Rygondria
Name: The Kingdom of Moedia,Modedians,,The Modinites to the people of the middle east and turkey,Meodians to the European area,They call themselves the chálkino ándres,or the bronze men

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Reduce population, and perhaps societal complexity along with it. Accepted anyway though.

BTW, @Aldelxane, what other ideas did you have?

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As per TG, dayum, dat religion. But accepted.

@7a2id, dunno if your app is done or not, but more detail needed. Nice beginning of a conlang you have there though.

@Reatra, you'll need to assume that western Zhou area is taken by an NPC of similar size and strength to you, try not to determine anything about it ICly but just be aware it's there. Someone should apply for it shortly.

@Orson, regarding the state of the city of Borizu; maybe a few thousand people live in the area where it used to roughly be (so including a bit of the land that used to be outside of the city, because nobody's so sure where it ends and starts). It's located at modern day Beirut, and it used the Beirut river for fresh water. However, the climactic and seismic and whatnot events that resulted in the Late Bronze Age Collapse redirected the river from northwards to southwards, meaning that the city has had to use little rerouting thingies and manual labour to move water. Since the sack, though, all of that was destroyed, and the river now flows determinedly southwards, so between the killing, the enslaving, the stealing, the damage to property and livelihoods, the lack of water, the danger and the better opportunities elsewhere, Borizu is pretty much empty, but for the few bounty-hunter types picking through, and a few living in isolated, tiny settlements along the coast or along the new course of the river. It's gone from one of the largest cities in the world, to only several thousand after fall of the empire, to now close enough to nobody. Have fun rebuilding

[Conwy-Shire]

No, no kingdom ever existed there. It's stateless.

Regulation 7, Allen, Regulation 7

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