Fallout: Pyrrhic Victory Reboot (OOC)

[North America Inc]

What would you guys think of Wanamingos mass migration to the Mojave? Provide a good nuisance early on.

[New Aksarben]

What would you guys think of Wanamingos mass migration to the Mojave? Provide a good nuisance early on.

I don't know what those are, but we really have enough going on as it is

[North America Inc]

Enclave- McCarran Airport, Nellis Air Force Base, Hoover Dam, 188 trading post
Legion- Fortification Hill, Camp Searchlight , legate raid camp, Cottonwood Cove,
Unity-Mojave Outpost, Black Mountain(secretly), Nipton (Children of the Cathredral), Hidden Supply Cave, Ranger Station Charlie.
Brotherhood of Steel- Hidden Valley (all bunkers operational), HELIOS ONE, Gibson Scrap Yard, REPCONN HQ

Here is an older agreed upon list we made.

[North America Inc]

I don't know what those are, but we really have enough going on as it is

[New Aksarben]

I don't know what those are, but we really have enough going on as it is

Those are freaking terrifying


I want twenty

[Plzen]

What would you guys think of Wanamingos mass migration to the Mojave? Provide a good nuisance early on.

I have not the slightest clue what those are, but if it provides a nuisance, probably a good thing.

I am doing that, but just holding ground is nothing when you can't take anything from the enemy. Plust multiple lines of defense. and of course, he'd focus on the minor factions and enclave, the ones that could be turned.

Since Unity doesn't have much in the way of ranged weapons and firepower, you might actually be able to use Carolean-style assaults against Unity positions, and not fight entirely defensively.

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I don't know what those are, but we really have enough going on as it is

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Ooh, yeah. That's such a good way to get this RP rolling.

[Ameige]

I don't know what those are, but we really have enough going on as it is

you ever seen alien vs predator? alien head with tentacles attached.

Also, we should have these cute little fuzzy killing machines.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Burrows



Just think about it. "aww a cute little raccoon." *raccoon lunges at you* "ahh!! Its stabbing me in the face!"

[New Aksarben]

What would you guys think of Wanamingos mass migration to the Mojave? Provide a good nuisance early on.

I have not the slightest clue what those are, but if it provides a nuisance, probably a good thing.

I am doing that, but just holding ground is nothing when you can't take anything from the enemy. Plust multiple lines of defense. and of course, he'd focus on the minor factions and enclave, the ones that could be turned.

Since Unity doesn't have much in the way of ranged weapons and firepower, you might actually be able to use Carolean-style assaults against Unity positions, and not fight entirely defensively.

yep, that's my thinking, that open assault might actually overwhelm them. at least long enough to get a foothold on that pass and build defenses until the eventual counter attack. it would limit their attacks to one point, and save me the trouble of defending a large area. instead I can fortify that and work on coercing the TErritories to join now that we've saved them from the super mutant menace.

[Versail]

Is there an option to rp as a single character rather then a faction?

[New Aksarben]

Is there an option to rp as a single character rather then a faction?

maybe, but you might get fucked over pretty badly, you won't be the badass Courier after all.

[North America Inc]

Is there an option to rp as a single character rather then a faction?

Yes there is!

[Versail]

Is there an option to rp as a single character rather then a faction?

maybe, but you might get fucked over pretty badly, you won't be the badass Courier after all.

I am aware of that.

Is there an option to rp as a single character rather then a faction?

Yes there is!

Excellent.
Is there a specific app for this or is there something else?

[New Aksarben]

What I have now for faction alignment

[Versail]

What I have now for faction alignment

Is that based off of HOI3?

[Ameige]

Camp searchlight, but you're right across the river from legion territory too.

I don't mean to point out things I'm sure you know but camp delta, which is just below camp forlorn hope, ends in an unscaleable cliff that continues to be so until it gets near cottonwood cove. And I am relatively certain the legion doesn't have cliff climbing gear.
Plus camp forlorn hope also ends in a large cliff at a large part of it, both sides probably ending up in the person's death or at least broken limbs if they actually managed to climb up and somehow fell off partway up. And for the rest, just put up some walls and laser turrets to keep people out.
There are plenty of turrets in abandoned buildings, plus the ones in camp searchlight had to come from somewhere. They didn't just magically appear there.

[Plzen]

The Legion really doesn't have much in the way of shock troops either, except maybe the chariots. As a result, they won't be able to assault determined defences - especially on superior ground - without taking truly disastrous casualties. The odds of the Legion successfully assaulting a cliff with an enemy garrison on it might as well be zero.

I keep saying this, but all you really need to put an end to a massed infantry charge is one well-maintained and well-supplied machine gun, which certainly won't be hard to find (or make) in the Mojave.

[North America Inc]

maybe, but you might get fucked over pretty badly, you won't be the badass Courier after all.

I am aware of that.

Yes there is!

Excellent.
Is there a specific app for this or is there something else?

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[Versail]

I am aware of that.

Excellent.
Is there a specific app for this or is there something else?

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Musical theme?
I can dig it.
I'm on it boss.
Edit:The Special was messed up, unsure if it was intentional so I made edits.

[Ameige]

The Legion really doesn't have much in the way of shock troops either, except maybe the chariots. As a result, they won't be able to assault determined defences - especially on superior ground - without taking truly disastrous casualties. The odds of the Legion successfully assaulting a cliff with an enemy garrison on it might as well be zero.

I keep saying this, but all you really need to put an end to a massed infantry charge is one well-maintained and well-supplied machine gun, which certainly won't be hard to find (or make) in the Mojave.

actually seeing as they are scaling up a cliff you probably wouldn't even need that. just the blade from one of those big paper cutting machines schools have. the big metal square with a blade at the end that swings down and lops off pieces of paper.

You just need some of those and have them be springloaded to recognize any serious amount of added weight near them. which would be the people trying to use ropes or whatever to climb up the side of a cliff. Chop those ropes right off and send the legion screaming to their deaths.

And before anyone comments that they could use the rope, most likely with grappling hooks on the end, to latch onto any part of the cliff, remember its a cliff. Its rock and dirt. The only area the rope would stay attached to, assuming it had any sort of hook end to attach to things, would probably be the occasional metal fence blocking off the edge of a few parts of the cliff.

Attach the springloaded blades to that, add the weight of a human or multiple humans, the blades come down and cut off the ropes and no more humans. they go splat.

Infact, the only way I see the legion being able to get up a cliff realistically would be to use pick axes as climbing picks.
And even that isn't very likely cause the only pick axes around are 200+ year old rusted hunks of metal that would likely break after the first couple attempts at climbing with them.

[New Aksarben]

The Legion really doesn't have much in the way of shock troops either, except maybe the chariots. As a result, they won't be able to assault determined defences - especially on superior ground - without taking truly disastrous casualties. The odds of the Legion successfully assaulting a cliff with an enemy garrison on it might as well be zero.

I keep saying this, but all you really need to put an end to a massed infantry charge is one well-maintained and well-supplied machine gun, which certainly won't be hard to find (or make) in the Mojave.

one of the other players linked a mod that had actually threatening and strong legion stuff, like shock troops, troops with bits of power armor welded together into proper body armor, and mini gun users. stuff like that. I'm actually going to go with that because not only is it more badass, but gives me a chance against the other factions, who have more proper military.

and yes, I knokw massed infantry doesn't work. the legion's strength comes from their skill at tribal tactics, and ambushes, along with roman style melee prowess. As a result, I'll likely be doing things that are the equivalent of striking under cover of night to overwhelm an unprepared garrison, not do full scale battles unless its heavily in my favor.

But do remember, I have an army of 5K at my disposal, as the legion marches in its entirety. My entire population is military and trained as such as the legion doens't have an economy like the Enclave or other settled factions do. I actually do have numbers to throw at them, should I decide to.

By comparison most factions should only have militaries of a few hundred at most. Proper militaries I mean. the whole population could be mobilized in an emergency(besides children), but in terms of standing army me and the unity likely have the most on hand at any time.
(anything I said above is subject to what the OP says of course. But I would like to remind people if they want their economies to do well, full mobilization is never a good thing. there's a reason why after major wars it takes a while for regions to recover, the lost productivity of people taken can put a huge dent in that sort of thing)

also, about taking the camps. No one said scaling the cliffs. most likely I could bring forces around by land, since I control the area south of there.

[Ameige]

The Legion really doesn't have much in the way of shock troops either, except maybe the chariots. As a result, they won't be able to assault determined defences - especially on superior ground - without taking truly disastrous casualties. The odds of the Legion successfully assaulting a cliff with an enemy garrison on it might as well be zero.

I keep saying this, but all you really need to put an end to a massed infantry charge is one well-maintained and well-supplied machine gun, which certainly won't be hard to find (or make) in the Mojave.

one of the other players linked a mod that had actually threatening and strong legion stuff, like shock troops, troops with bits of power armor welded together into proper body armor, and mini gun users. stuff like that. I'm actually going to go with that because not only is it more badass, but gives me a chance against the other factions, who have more proper military.

and yes, I knokw massed infantry doesn't work. the legion's strength comes from their skill at tribal tactics, and ambushes, along with roman style melee prowess. As a result, I'll likely be doing things that are the equivalent of striking under cover of night to overwhelm an unprepared garrison, not do full scale battles unless its heavily in my favor.

But do remember, I have an army of 5K at my disposal, as the legion marches in its entirety. My entire population is military and trained as such as the legion doens't have an economy like the Enclave or other settled factions do. I actually do have numbers to throw at them, should I decide to.

By comparison most factions should only have militaries of a few hundred at most. Proper militaries I mean. the whole population could be mobilized in an emergency(besides children), but in terms of standing army me and the unity likely have the most on hand at any time.
(anything I said above is subject to what the OP says of course. But I would like to remind people if they want their economies to do well, full mobilization is never a good thing. there's a reason why after major wars it takes a while for regions to recover, the lost productivity of people taken can put a huge dent in that sort of thing)

also, about taking the camps. No one said scaling the cliffs. most likely I could bring forces around by land, since I control the area south of there.

I don't mean to poke holes in your idea but the legion wouldn't use that sort of stuff. A mod is a mod.
It means its something a player made up to make the game more interesting.

The lore clearly states the legion is anti-technology. the only reason they use guns at all is to have an even playing field cause everyone else uses guns.

Heck, their armor isn't even bullet proof most of the time and they use spears and swords more than anything.
They would rather destroy power armor than use it.

And the lore states that a minigun is a heavy piece of equipment. There is a reason only people in power armor use it.
Cause no one else can lift it.

[New Aksarben]

one of the other players linked a mod that had actually threatening and strong legion stuff, like shock troops, troops with bits of power armor welded together into proper body armor, and mini gun users. stuff like that. I'm actually going to go with that because not only is it more badass, but gives me a chance against the other factions, who have more proper military.

and yes, I knokw massed infantry doesn't work. the legion's strength comes from their skill at tribal tactics, and ambushes, along with roman style melee prowess. As a result, I'll likely be doing things that are the equivalent of striking under cover of night to overwhelm an unprepared garrison, not do full scale battles unless its heavily in my favor.

But do remember, I have an army of 5K at my disposal, as the legion marches in its entirety. My entire population is military and trained as such as the legion doens't have an economy like the Enclave or other settled factions do. I actually do have numbers to throw at them, should I decide to.

By comparison most factions should only have militaries of a few hundred at most. Proper militaries I mean. the whole population could be mobilized in an emergency(besides children), but in terms of standing army me and the unity likely have the most on hand at any time.
(anything I said above is subject to what the OP says of course. But I would like to remind people if they want their economies to do well, full mobilization is never a good thing. there's a reason why after major wars it takes a while for regions to recover, the lost productivity of people taken can put a huge dent in that sort of thing)

also, about taking the camps. No one said scaling the cliffs. most likely I could bring forces around by land, since I control the area south of there.

I don't mean to poke holes in your idea but the legion wouldn't use that sort of stuff. A mod is a mod.
It means its something a player made up to make the game more interesting.

The lore clearly states the legion is anti-technology. the only reason they use guns at all is to have an even playing field cause everyone else uses guns.

Heck, their armor isn't even bullet proof most of the time and they use spears and swords more than anything.
They would rather destroy power armor than use it.

And the lore states that a minigun is a heavy piece of equipment. There is a reason only people in power armor use it.
Cause no one else can lift it.

Yes, and this is a heavily alternate history roleplay, who's to say in this timeline faced with such strong enemies the legion wouldn't adapt and start to beef itself up? and those mingun users would be using pieces of power armor they'd found. similar to the raiders in FO4. If raiders could find fusion cores to power them and weld them together on their own, I don't doubt the legion would be able to either.

Plus, dude. realism in something that has giant killer chamleons is overrated.

and in the base game plenty of characters use miniguns without that

[Ameige]

The camps would be easy to defend. Just add turret towers around the edges where the legion can actually traverse, and sling electric fences with the strength to take down a large animal, in between them. And maybe back it by a thick concrete wall or something.

Or just have them "borrow" the tech to make the enclave shield walls. The whole point of my idea was to have them be enclave refugees anyways. at least a few of them should be able to figure out how to work those things.

[New Aksarben]

actually, I kind of just realized I keep trying to one up people and that's a bit rude. I was not meaning to at all, haha.

Its just that the legion indeed is probably objectively the weakest, save for numbers. I really could use a bit of extra to even the playing field like the stuff from that mod so I stand a fighting chance against the unity and enclave.

and the legion isn't against all technology like I said earlier, just things they find decadent. they'd definitely use power armor they found, and other military inventions, as its actually useful to them.

[Ameige]

I don't mean to poke holes in your idea but the legion wouldn't use that sort of stuff. A mod is a mod.
It means its something a player made up to make the game more interesting.

The lore clearly states the legion is anti-technology. the only reason they use guns at all is to have an even playing field cause everyone else uses guns.

Heck, their armor isn't even bullet proof most of the time and they use spears and swords more than anything.
They would rather destroy power armor than use it.

And the lore states that a minigun is a heavy piece of equipment. There is a reason only people in power armor use it.
Cause no one else can lift it.

Yes, and this is a heavily alternate history roleplay, who's to say in this timeline faced with such strong enemies the legion wouldn't adapt and start to beef itself up? and those mingun users would be using pieces of power armor they'd found. similar to the raiders in FO4. If raiders could find fusion cores to power them and weld them together on their own, I don't doubt the legion would be able to either.

Plus, dude. realism in something that has giant killer chamleons is overrated.

and in the base game plenty of characters use miniguns without that

Well if the OP reads this and says ok, I guess I cant argue it. But remember, the guy who made the legion was an ex ncr and was anti-technology from the moment he set up the legion. Long before the NCR ever made it into the Mojave to battle them.

So to have the fact that this rp is alternate - history to matter, you would have to add all of that into account.