1855 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][REBOOT][Semi-closed]

[Oscalantine]

Alright. Sheesh Nepal... I will add both you and Ty's alliance in my IC. You don't need to "la la" about it [/pout][/joke]

Anyhow, I am THINKING about starting the map edit... but WAS there any map changes besides the ones I know about France and myself? In that... Argentina, what EXACTLY did you take? Oh and also... Persia dudes? Thinking about answering my questions yet?

[Oscalantine]

... and... done~!

You know, after reading the contents of Curonian-Nepali Alliance, really feel like Nepali lost a lot through this. They could have really made a better deal with either France, China, OR Korea... and gotten more for the same offer. I know personally Korea would have simply given Nepali swaths of land if they were allowed Nepali elite fighting force... Korean needs to fix up its military soon before we all perish in one decisive ground battle XDDD

[Conwy-Shire]

... and... done~!

You know, after reading the contents of Curonian-Nepali Alliance, really feel like Nepali lost a lot through this. They could have really made a better deal with either France, China, OR Korea... and gotten more for the same offer. I know personally Korea would have simply given Nepali swaths of land if they were allowed Nepali elite fighting force... Korean needs to fix up its military soon before we all perish in one decisive ground battle XDDD

shhhh, you don't tell the poor barbarian that they're being exploited, you just drown them in chains [/joke]

EDIT: also, you forget that Nepal doesn't give Courland an elite fighting force, Courland gets to handpick some men from Nepal and "ask" if they want to join an elite fighting force in the Couronian Colonial Armies... jeesh

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

... and... done~!

You know, after reading the contents of Curonian-Nepali Alliance, really feel like Nepali lost a lot through this. They could have really made a better deal with either France, China, OR Korea... and gotten more for the same offer. I know personally Korea would have simply given Nepali swaths of land if they were allowed Nepali elite fighting force... Korean needs to fix up its military soon before we all perish in one decisive ground battle XDDD

shhhh, you don't tell the poor barbarian that they're being exploited, you just drown them in chains [/joke]

EDIT: also, you forget that Nepal doesn't give Courland an elite fighting force, Courland gets to handpick some men from Nepal and "ask" if they want to join an elite fighting force in the Couronian Colonial Armies... jeesh

Yeah, Nepal's actually holding out a lot. You forget that they give some of their product to Courland, but I've evidenced that they use quite a bit of it for themselves, and still reserve the right to export it to others around them and may strike new deals in secret.

Also, Courland gives me civilized status. You know, as soon as they unchain me, evidently.

[Oscalantine]

I did mention that Nepal to give elite fighting force... so I guess that can be worked out during each negotiations? Or are you saying that Courland has rights to simply pick out best of the Nepali soldiers and march them to war?

Still... having Courland backing you is probably more logical than with China. Since both of them are going to see you as their subjects anyways (protectorate or tributary state... neither sees you as equals), I see this arrangement may be beneficial to you. At least Nepali people maintains diplomatic independence, so they can "break the chain," as Conwy said one of these days XDDD

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

I did mention that Nepal to give elite fighting force... so I guess that can be worked out during each negotiations? Or are you saying that Courland has rights to simply pick out best of the Nepali soldiers and march them to war?

Still... having Courland backing you is probably more logical than with China. Since both of them are going to see you as their subjects anyways (protectorate or tributary state... neither sees you as equals), I see this arrangement may be beneficial to you. At least Nepali people maintains diplomatic independence, so they can "break the chain," as Conwy said one of these days XDDD

Of course, if you want a piece of this deal...

[Conwy-Shire]

Of course, if you want a piece of this deal...

Will exchange informal vassalage of Nepal for lower Burma Oscal, deal?

[Oscalantine]

Of course, if you want a piece of this deal...

Will exchange informal vassalage of Nepal for lower Burma Oscal, deal?

No deal XDDD

I don't even think Korea knows Nepal very well, so I cannot say for sure that it would value control over Nepal so highly. Korea has passed its mercantile phase and is in the imperial stage of its growth where it has finished expanding and is consolidating... so missing such provinces would destabilize Korea rather than give benefits.

[Oscalantine]

Of course, if you want a piece of this deal...

The question remains as to whether Korea knows Nepali people's existence or not. Korea is pretty coastal power, and it hasn't ventured too far into mountains of Himalayas. If Korea knows Nepal, it would wish to establish trade relations, but I have NO CLUE as to if we would have met in the short span of Korea's influence in the region.

After all, Korea was mercantile power for some time (hence why Indonesia and Spice Islands, despite Korea starting its colonization effort a good centuries before Europeans came,
isn't completely Korean), so I wonder if they cared so far inward as of yet.

[Conwy-Shire]

Also, I may be going crazy here, but I'd like to remind everyone (yes, you Oscal) that Courland's belongings are 'Couronian', not 'Curonian'

[Oscalantine]

Also, I may be going crazy here, but I'd like to remind everyone (yes, you Oscal) that Courland's belongings are 'Couronian', not 'Curonian'

Really? I was just basing this on wiki article ^^;;; sorry for the confusion, and I'll fix it this afternoon (MY afternoon... it is morning here and I am in the middle of my studies ^^;;;)

... and here I was, wanting to use "Kurs" to refer to Couronians T~T

[Orthodox States]

Full Nation Name : The Theodemocracy of Deseret
Majority/Official Culture : Anglo-American
Territorial Core : the remainder of Utah, Nevada, the remainder of California, the lower portions of Idaho, and Oregon. (color is the goldish brown in North America).

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k569/red123452/Mormons.png

Capital City : Salt Lake City
Population :1.5 million

Government Type : TheoDEMOCRACY
Government Focus : To preserve and protect the all forms of Christianity, especially the Mormon faith.
Head of State : President: Joseph Smith
Head of Government : President: Joseph Smith
Government Description :Much like a regular democracy, liberties and rights are a fundamental part of the government, and everybody has rights and freedoms. However, law is decided by the word of God, or in this case, the president of the Mormon Church, which is also president of the government. There is a Legislative branch, and the branch debates like a normal senate. However, if consensus could not be reached, the president of the country shall pray for divine Revelation to decide the matter. When the president dies, The Quorum of Twelve decides on the next President, most usually the senior apostle. The Legislative branch is elected by the people and serve 1 year terms.

Majority/State Religion : While all forms of Christianity is accepted, Mormonism is default the State religion of Deseret
Religious Description : Mormonism is a unique religion that is a sect of Christianity. Mormons believe in many of the same beliefs that other Christians believe in, such as the 2nd coming of Christ, Jesus's atonement, and his bodily reconstruction. However, Mormon's do not believe in Biblical inerrancy, which means they believe that the Bible can have error. In addition, Mormons do not believe that the mainstream Trinitarian view is correct, and that God is actually 3 different beings, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Instead these 3 beings are united in purpose that make's them God. Due to this teaching, some Christians believe that Mormonism is too different from Christianity and is a distinct religion that borrows heavily from Christianity, and other Christians believe that Mormonism is really a polytheistic religion.

Another difference between Mormonism and the other sects of Christianity is the scripture. Mormons have adopted the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price as additional scriptures, as well as the Bible. Mormons celebrate the Eucharist and practice Baptism, but also have religious rituals that are not practiced in other Christian sects. Another difference of Mormon Christianity is that Polygamy, or referred to as Plural Marriage, is considered a divine commandment by the Church's founder.

Mormons believe that these differences and rituals were part of the original message of Jesus that were lost, and brought back by Mormonism's founder. When a Mormon dies, his soul leaves his physical body to leave for the spirit world, in which he or she becomes gods/goddesses of planets.

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Nevada, Utah, and California provide mines for good such as copper, silver, and gold, Oregon provides timber, and California provides farming land.
Economic Description : A regional economic power, The Mormon Republic is just starting to trade with its neighbors and develop an economic base. Its primary strength's are from the mining industry.

Army Strength :The Army of Deseret are trained to use their environment and as a result are very adaptable, especially when it comes to guerrilla warfare.
Army Weakness : The Army of Deseret doesn't train for melee combat, and as a result the soldiers don't know how to effectively use melee weapons, from bayonets to knifes.
Naval Strength :Ship designs allow fast movement and quick flanking movements.
Naval Weakness :However, these designs also make it so the ships are really fragile.

National Goals : Improve our Economy and Military situation.
National Issues : How Immigration should be handled, formation of a modern military, and seeking protection from the other North American nations.
National Ambition/Aspirations : Establish a Zion in America and create a utopia.

History :
1600-1650- Following the destruction of the Church of England in the Cambrian Empire, Protestant Canadians moved down south into New York, and proclaimed that they were the successors to the Church of England. However, this group was unable to convert New York City to the Church of England, and remained dormant for a long time. Finally the members of this church decided to try to convert the population again, and one of the missionary's called John Rood claimed to have found some buried Golden Plates in a language that is impossible to understand, and that an angel called Moroni told John how to translate the Golden Plates. The Group were called Mormons by the native New Yorkers, and the name stuck. The Mormon Church was founded in 1640, and converted all of the Former Canadian protestants, and started to try spreading Mormonism to New York. In order to try to increase their flock, the Canadians started to try to become more Americanized. While a sizable amount of people converted, the Protestant majority were getting tired of the Mormons, and tried to kick them out, by force if necessary.

The New York-Mormon "War"- After the Mormon's tried to proselytize the people of New York, tensions between the Protestant majority and the growing Mormon minority skyrocketed, and eventually Protestants started to attack Mormon missionary's around NYC. In response, Mormons started to buy weapons and ammunition incase of an armed confrontation. In May 25th, 1650, outside the Mormon temple, Protestants starting to rally outside the temple with weapons, and started to try breaching the doors. Gunfire rang out from the church, and the Protestants decided to shoot at the church's inside from the windows. Police managed to get to the riot and quell down the riot before any serious damage could occur. While nobody was hurt, John, who was out buying food at the market, decided that NYC would not be the best choice to settle the Mormon Church. 1 Mormon and 3 Protestants were arrested after this incident.

1651-1654-A year later, John Rood had another vision, a command from God telling him to move his Mormon Flock from NYC to the West. The chosen destination was decided on Utah, a place God had told them to go to in the vision and to stop at a undrinkable lake. They would have to go through the American Commonwealth and Louisiana. Preparations were made for a year, and then the Mormons headed Westward. The plan was to go to Missouri to resupply and then continue to Utah. As the Mormon's went through the Commonwealth and Louisiana, they converted more of the locals, and increased their flock. By 1653, they had reached Missouri, and began to Resupply. Ammo and weapons were bought, along with more horses and food. Months went by, until they had reached a gigantic lake. Glad to have found water, John Rood inspected the water, and drank it. Immediately he began to throw it back up, and declared the water undrinkable. His followers cheered in joy and named the lake as "The Great Salt Lake". They started a settlement, and named it Salt Lake City, which would become the capital of Deseret. In 1654, the Mormons annexed the entirety of Utah that wasn't controlled by the Aztecs.

1655-1700's-After the annexation of Utah, the Mormons began expanding into more lands further west. Nevada and the Remainder of California. After this, the Mormon's began to become largely isolationist, allowing only a few people inside the country at a time. The government would become a brutal Theocracy, that would force immigrants to become Mormon or be expelled. They also adopted the name Deseret, based off the word in the Book of Mormon for Honeybee.

1800-1855-After 100 years, a man named Joseph Smith back at New York suffered from a series of religious visions from God, telling him to head west for the state of Deseret, and restore God's message to the Theocracy. After a few years, Joseph managed to get inside the State of Deseret, and from extreme piousness, ascended the hierarchy of the Mormon faith, until he became successor to the Theocracy of Deseret. After the President died, Joseph Smith immediately began his work. First he established the Legislative branch and gave Deseret citizens basic human rights, such as the right to vote (for the legislative branch) and the right to freedom of speech. He also established freedom of religion for other sects of Christianity. The discovery of gold in California in 1849 only helped increase Deseret's economy. Starting in 1854, Mormon colonist began to settle the southern regions of Idaho and Oregon, the Government was starting to look for an alliance with other fellow Christian nations in the America's and elsewhere, and the Deseret alphabet was created and made an official script along with the Latin script.

Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 4
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 1
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

Deseret Application

[Conwy-Shire]

Really? I was just basing this on wiki article ^^;;; sorry for the confusion, and I'll fix it this afternoon (MY afternoon... it is morning here and I am in the middle of my studies ^^;;;)

... and here I was, wanting to use "Kurs" to refer to Couronians T~T

I don't mind if they're called Kurs; they will mind though - I hear Europeans don't handle well with cultural misnomers

[Oscalantine]

Full Nation Name : The Theodemocracy of Deseret
Majority/Official Culture : Anglo-American
Territorial Core : the remainder of Utah, Nevada, the remainder of California, and the lower portions of Oregon and Idaho (color is the goldish brown in North America).

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k569/red123452/Mormons.png

Capital City : Salt Lake City
Population :500,000

Government Type : TheoDEMOCRACY
Government Focus : To preserve and protect the all forms of Christianity, especially the Mormon faith.
Head of State : President: Joseph Smith
Head of Government : President: Joseph Smith
Government Description :Much like a regular democracy, liberties and rights are a fundamental part of the government, and everybody has rights and freedoms. However, law is decided by the word of God, or in this case, the president of the Mormon Church, which is also president of the government. There is a Legislative branch, and the branch debates like a normal senate. However, if consensus could not be reached, the president of the country shall pray for divine Revelation to decide the matter. When the president dies, The Quorum of Twelve decides on the next President, most usually the senior apostle. The Legislative branch is elected by the people and serve 1 year terms.

Majority/State Religion : While all forms of Christianity is accepted, Mormonism is default the State religion of Deseret

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Nevada, Utah, and California provide mines for good such as copper and gold, Oregon provides timber, and California provides farming land.
Economic Description : A regional economic power, The Mormon Republic is just starting to trade with its neighbors and develop an economic base. Its primary strength's are from the mining industry.

Army Strength :The Army of Deseret are trained to use their environment and as a result are very adaptable, especially when it comes to guerrilla warfare.
Army Weakness : The Army of Deseret doesn't train for melee combat, and as a result the soldiers don't know how to effectively use melee weapons, from bayonets to knifes.
Naval Strength :Ship designs allow fast movement and quick flanking movements.
Naval Weakness :However, these designs also make it so the ships are really fragile.

National Goals : Improve our Economy and Military situation.
National Issues : How Immigration should be handled, formation of a modern military, and seeking protection from the other North American nations.
National Ambition/Aspirations : Establish a Zion in America and create a utopia.

History :
1600-1650- Following the destruction of the Church of England in the Cambrian Empire, Protestant Canadians moved down south into New York, and proclaimed that they were the successors to the Church of England. However, this group was unable to convert New York City to the Church of England, and remained dormant for a long time. Finally the members of this church decided to try to convert the population again, and one of the missionary's called John Rood claimed to have found some buried Golden Plates in a language that is impossible to understand, and that an angel called Moroni told John how to translate the Golden Plates. The Group were called Mormons by the native New Yorkers, and the name stuck. The Mormon Church was founded in 1640, and converted all of the Former Canadian protestants, and started to try spreading Mormonism to New York. In order to try to increase their flock, the Canadians started to try to become more Americanized. While a sizable amount of people converted, the Protestant majority were getting tired of the Mormons, and tried to kick them out, by force if necessary.

The New York-Mormon "War"- After the Mormon's tried to proselytize the people of New York, tensions between the Protestant majority and the growing Mormon minority skyrocketed, and eventually Protestants started to attack Mormon missionary's around NYC. In response, Mormons started to buy weapons and ammunition incase of an armed confrontation. In May 25th, 1650, outside the Mormon temple, Protestants starting to rally outside the temple with weapons, and started to try breaching the doors. Gunfire rang out from the church, and the Protestants decided to shoot at the church's inside from the windows. Police managed to get to the riot and quell down the riot before any serious damage could occur. While nobody was hurt, John, who was out buying food at the market, decided that NYC would not be the best choice to settle the Mormon Church. 1 Mormon and 3 Protestants were arrested after this incident.

1651-1654-A year later, John Rood had another vision, a command from God telling him to move his Mormon Flock from NYC to the West. The chosen destination was decided on Utah, a place God had told them to go to in the vision and to stop at a undrinkable lank. They would have to go through the American Commonwealth and Louisiana. Preparations were made for a year, and then the Mormons headed Westward. The plan was to go to Missouri to resupply and then continue to Utah. As the Mormon's went through the Commonwealth and Louisiana, they converted more of the locals, and increased their flock. By 1653, they had reached Missouri, and began to Resupply. Ammo and weapons were bought, along with more horses and food. Months went by, until they had reached a gigantic lake. Glad to have found water, John Rood inspected the water, and drank it. Immediately he began to throw it back up, and declared the water undrinkable. His followers cheered in joy and named the lake as "The Great Salt Lake". They started a settlement, and named it Salt Lake City, which would become the capital of Deseret. In 1654, the Mormons annexed the entirety of Utah that wasn't controlled by the Aztecs.

1655-1700's-After the annexation of Utah, the Mormons began expanding into more lands further west. Nevada and the Remainder of California. After this, the Mormon's began to become largely isolationist, allowing only a few people inside the country at a time. The government would become a brutal Theocracy, that would force immigrants to become Mormon or be expelled. They also adopted the name Deseret, based off the word in the Book of Mormon for Honeybee.

1800-1855-After 100 years, a man named Joseph Smith back at New York suffered from a series of religious visions from God, telling him to head west for the state of Deseret, and restore God's message to the Theocracy. After a few years, Joseph managed to get inside the State of Deseret, and from extreme piousness, ascended the hierarchy of the Mormon faith, until he became successor to the Theocracy of Deseret. After the President died, Joseph Smith immediately began his work. First he established the Legislative branch and gave Deseret citizens basic human rights, such as the right to vote (for the legislative branch) and the right to freedom of speech. He also established freedom of religion for other sects of Christianity. The discovery of gold in California in 1849 only helped increase Deseret's economy. Starting in 1854, Mormon colonist began to settle the southern regions of Idaho and Oregon, and the Government was starting to look for an alliance with other fellow Christian nations in the America's and elsewhere.

Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 4
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 1
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

Oscalantine gave me permission to post an a revised Application in the OOC. Also its kind of long so if you are browsing from a phone then you might want to go on a computer if you don't want a gigantic wall of text

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k569/red123452/proof.png

Accepted... just cannot update the OP atm. I'll update the map in the next update... which is being planned now ^^;;;

I don't mind if they're called Kurs; they will mind though - I hear Europeans don't handle well with cultural misnomers

so you aren't European? XDDD sure. I guess Kur does sound a bit... err.. like a derogatory name, doesn't it?

[Western Imperial Union]

Full Nation Name : The Theodemocracy of Deseret
Majority/Official Culture : Anglo-American
Territorial Core : the remainder of Utah, Nevada, the remainder of California, and the lower portions of Oregon and Idaho (color is the goldish brown in North America).

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k569/red123452/Mormons.png

Capital City : Salt Lake City
Population :500,000

Government Type : TheoDEMOCRACY
Government Focus : To preserve and protect the all forms of Christianity, especially the Mormon faith.
Head of State : President: Joseph Smith
Head of Government : President: Joseph Smith
Government Description :Much like a regular democracy, liberties and rights are a fundamental part of the government, and everybody has rights and freedoms. However, law is decided by the word of God, or in this case, the president of the Mormon Church, which is also president of the government. There is a Legislative branch, and the branch debates like a normal senate. However, if consensus could not be reached, the president of the country shall pray for divine Revelation to decide the matter. When the president dies, The Quorum of Twelve decides on the next President, most usually the senior apostle. The Legislative branch is elected by the people and serve 1 year terms.

Majority/State Religion : While all forms of Christianity is accepted, Mormonism is default the State religion of Deseret

Economic Ideologies : Capitalism
Major Production : Nevada, Utah, and California provide mines for good such as copper and gold, Oregon provides timber, and California provides farming land.
Economic Description : A regional economic power, The Mormon Republic is just starting to trade with its neighbors and develop an economic base. Its primary strength's are from the mining industry.

Army Strength :The Army of Deseret are trained to use their environment and as a result are very adaptable, especially when it comes to guerrilla warfare.
Army Weakness : The Army of Deseret doesn't train for melee combat, and as a result the soldiers don't know how to effectively use melee weapons, from bayonets to knifes.
Naval Strength :Ship designs allow fast movement and quick flanking movements.
Naval Weakness :However, these designs also make it so the ships are really fragile.

National Goals : Improve our Economy and Military situation.
National Issues : How Immigration should be handled, formation of a modern military, and seeking protection from the other North American nations.
National Ambition/Aspirations : Establish a Zion in America and create a utopia.

History :
1600-1650- Following the destruction of the Church of England in the Cambrian Empire, Protestant Canadians moved down south into New York, and proclaimed that they were the successors to the Church of England. However, this group was unable to convert New York City to the Church of England, and remained dormant for a long time. Finally the members of this church decided to try to convert the population again, and one of the missionary's called John Rood claimed to have found some buried Golden Plates in a language that is impossible to understand, and that an angel called Moroni told John how to translate the Golden Plates. The Group were called Mormons by the native New Yorkers, and the name stuck. The Mormon Church was founded in 1640, and converted all of the Former Canadian protestants, and started to try spreading Mormonism to New York. In order to try to increase their flock, the Canadians started to try to become more Americanized. While a sizable amount of people converted, the Protestant majority were getting tired of the Mormons, and tried to kick them out, by force if necessary.

The New York-Mormon "War"- After the Mormon's tried to proselytize the people of New York, tensions between the Protestant majority and the growing Mormon minority skyrocketed, and eventually Protestants started to attack Mormon missionary's around NYC. In response, Mormons started to buy weapons and ammunition incase of an armed confrontation. In May 25th, 1650, outside the Mormon temple, Protestants starting to rally outside the temple with weapons, and started to try breaching the doors. Gunfire rang out from the church, and the Protestants decided to shoot at the church's inside from the windows. Police managed to get to the riot and quell down the riot before any serious damage could occur. While nobody was hurt, John, who was out buying food at the market, decided that NYC would not be the best choice to settle the Mormon Church. 1 Mormon and 3 Protestants were arrested after this incident.

1651-1654-A year later, John Rood had another vision, a command from God telling him to move his Mormon Flock from NYC to the West. The chosen destination was decided on Utah, a place God had told them to go to in the vision and to stop at a undrinkable lank. They would have to go through the American Commonwealth and Louisiana. Preparations were made for a year, and then the Mormons headed Westward. The plan was to go to Missouri to resupply and then continue to Utah. As the Mormon's went through the Commonwealth and Louisiana, they converted more of the locals, and increased their flock. By 1653, they had reached Missouri, and began to Resupply. Ammo and weapons were bought, along with more horses and food. Months went by, until they had reached a gigantic lake. Glad to have found water, John Rood inspected the water, and drank it. Immediately he began to throw it back up, and declared the water undrinkable. His followers cheered in joy and named the lake as "The Great Salt Lake". They started a settlement, and named it Salt Lake City, which would become the capital of Deseret. In 1654, the Mormons annexed the entirety of Utah that wasn't controlled by the Aztecs.

1655-1700's-After the annexation of Utah, the Mormons began expanding into more lands further west. Nevada and the Remainder of California. After this, the Mormon's began to become largely isolationist, allowing only a few people inside the country at a time. The government would become a brutal Theocracy, that would force immigrants to become Mormon or be expelled. They also adopted the name Deseret, based off the word in the Book of Mormon for Honeybee.

1800-1855-After 100 years, a man named Joseph Smith back at New York suffered from a series of religious visions from God, telling him to head west for the state of Deseret, and restore God's message to the Theocracy. After a few years, Joseph managed to get inside the State of Deseret, and from extreme piousness, ascended the hierarchy of the Mormon faith, until he became successor to the Theocracy of Deseret. After the President died, Joseph Smith immediately began his work. First he established the Legislative branch and gave Deseret citizens basic human rights, such as the right to vote (for the legislative branch) and the right to freedom of speech. He also established freedom of religion for other sects of Christianity. The discovery of gold in California in 1849 only helped increase Deseret's economy. Starting in 1854, Mormon colonist began to settle the southern regions of Idaho and Oregon, the Government was starting to look for an alliance with other fellow Christian nations in the America's and elsewhere, and the Deseret alphabet was created and made an official script along with the Latin script.

Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 4
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 1
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

Oscalantine gave me permission to post an a revised Application in the OOC. Also its kind of long so if you are browsing from a phone then you might want to go on a computer if you don't want a gigantic wall of text

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k569/red123452/proof.png

I don't understand why you want to play as this nation. Aztecs, or Lousiana will just steamroll you should war start and at least one of the two is expansionist.

[Elerian]

-Snip-

Considering there have been few, if any player versus player wars thus far I doubt he needs to worry too much at the present moment.

[Oscalantine]

-Snip-

Considering there have been few, if any player versus player wars thus far I doubt he needs to worry too much at the present moment.

That is about to change with Brazil -v- Aztec XDDD

Good point, West... I might need to drop by Soviet Charous and see if he is still Louisiana. I know American Commonwealth is coming, but I have a feeling that Louisiana left the RP... hmmm....

Well, if Louisiana is gone, then basically that opens up doors for EVERYONE, so I guess problem solved XDDD

[Western Imperial Union]

-Snip-

Considering there have been few, if any player versus player wars thus far I doubt he needs to worry too much at the present moment.

Just because there hasn't been any so far doesn't mean there will be soon. Look at the maps. Everything is either already taken or under plans to be taken soon. In many places there are several different nations already nibbling at the same spots. It honestly is only a matter of time and the smaller nations will be the first to go.

[Conwy-Shire]

Just because there hasn't been any so far doesn't mean there will be soon. Look at the maps. Everything is either already taken or under plans to be taken soon. In many places there are several different nations already nibbling at the same spots. It honestly is only a matter of time and the smaller nations will be the first to go.

What makes you think the smaller nations will be the first to go? Good international politics, strong allies and good RP'ing will determine a nations survival, not its' size

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Just because there hasn't been any so far doesn't mean there will be soon. Look at the maps. Everything is either already taken or under plans to be taken soon. In many places there are several different nations already nibbling at the same spots. It honestly is only a matter of time and the smaller nations will be the first to go.

What makes you think the smaller nations will be the first to go? Good international politics, strong allies and good RP'ing will determine a nations survival, not its' size

Yeah! I agree with my...generous....good-hearted, very wise lord.

[Western Imperial Union]

Just because there hasn't been any so far doesn't mean there will be soon. Look at the maps. Everything is either already taken or under plans to be taken soon. In many places there are several different nations already nibbling at the same spots. It honestly is only a matter of time and the smaller nations will be the first to go.

What makes you think the smaller nations will be the first to go? Good international politics, strong allies and good RP'ing will determine a nations survival, not its' size

No I don't mean smaller as in size I mean smaller as in weaker and less connected. Smaller on the global theater.

[Oscalantine]

I didn't get to keep a good eye on everyone... with Cheng attacking Shai and calling me in again and my personal invasion to Ming, I was too busy with Korean Empire to do much spying ^^;;;

But that said... [Protestant Reformation] happened ^^. It started in Ulm, and... unfortunately, Hansa is still being a little jerk and not converting. Doesn't Hansa know that the ONLY way to beat Austrasia is to prevent him from being an Emperor? If Austrasia passes all but the second reform, he will have enough forcelimit to lag the game out of existence!! Fight Hansa fight!!! Fight for ALL the life on this game!! Fight!!!!!

That said, [The final ruler of Iceland is Russia]. Should we reflect this on our map? XDDDDD

Don't ask me how.... apparently Russia was able to core Norway, and asked that for peace deal with Sweeden. How the fudge did that happen?

Moving on... [Cambria has finally realized its colonial destiny!] I thought I'll only see Spanish colonies, but we will see Cambrian ones as well ^^.

[Assuming that they can stay alive]. French are taking the fight to Cambria, and has plenty of cores. Cambrian navy is good... but it doesn't have morale of navy bonus that GB has. Maybe I should've given that to him? Anyhow, France also has basically all of Aragon, and is continuing its ruthless expansion through Europe. I have a feeling that this France is better than Revolutionary France in EU4 O.o

And since I promised everyone else... general shots of the world:
[Far East]
[Southeast Asia]
[India and Middle East]

Keep in mind that I am PLAYING this as Korean Empire, so I am making better decisions than AI's are... hence why I have more land than others. I am sure with your respective nations, you can probably do MUCH better than Koreans... I wish I had morale of army modifier so I don't have to choose my fights T~T

[Conwy-Shire]

Considering there have been few, if any player versus player wars thus far I doubt he needs to worry too much at the present moment.

check 'yerself buddy

[Oscalantine]

Considering there have been few, if any player versus player wars thus far I doubt he needs to worry too much at the present moment.

check 'yerself buddy

"I am not your buddy, guy!"

[Conwy-Shire]

"I am not your buddy, guy!"

"But I am your guy, buddy..."