1855 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][REBOOT][Semi-closed]

[Western Imperial Union]

Not with you. I'm a little bit cross with Helghan since I really do think getting all his allies to gang up on the Netherlands is unfair and unsportsmanlike, but I suppose that's the name of the game.

I'm slightly worried that if this war escalates my beautiful empire might get taken away from me. I can live with getting beat in east Africa, and losing Manchuria would be a serious blow but not something I couldn't recover from; if Cambria was to enter the war and attack my southeast Asian territories however, it'd be a disaster, especially if Cheng decided to attack Hainan and Taiwan or kami forbid, my home islands... Boku no tōtoi teikoku...

It does look like things are coming to a head... then again, the only way this was averted in real life was that everyone had so many alliances and tried to suck up to those allies that no one could feasibly win a war against a possible enemies alliance - to be completely conservative and a douche, the Netherlands could have secured more allies in the long time Ry has been here - and you can do the same Tyr

Yet the dutch had brazil. Thats it I think. Japan has brazil and evidentlh korea though it would seem helping japan at all would be against it's own ambitions and interests.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Do you know what I hate?

the warm-up round shit-talk that comes before someone's about to go balls deep but hasn't learnt from history that you can't pull out in time once you're down there.

That someone is Tyrannia

Feel the 'bern' of my shit-talk ^^

Big words coming from a third-rate power with a few token colonies. Why don't you go and play with Nepal and Brittany? The adults are trying to talk business.

oh.

OH.

SHOTS FIRED!

Wait, hey! That's mean!

[Cymrea]

I do think that it's rather unfair the way everyone is targeting you like this. It's not really what I'd consider good RP etiquette. That's why I'd like to help you as much as I can, although unfortunately the situation with Cheng may make that difficult.

I will try to hold,you well be surprised how resilient dutch men can be.

I promise that Cambria's involvement is nothing against you, Ry. I'm supporting an ally with a naval blockade. As far as I can tell, that will be the limit of Cambria's involvement in this particular conflict.

[Oscalantine]

I will try to hold,you well be surprised how resilient dutch men can be.

I promise that Cambria's involvement is nothing against you, Ry. I'm supporting an ally with a naval blockade. As far as I can tell, that will be the limit of Cambria's involvement in this particular conflict.

Speaking of... what IS Cambrian military situation in Austrailia? Does Korea need to send forces to protect Cambrian interests as per Pearl Treaty or am I safe to assume that Aussies have enough ships to defend themselves should Dutch launch a surprise attack there?

[Cymrea]

Hmmm...bit of a follow-up, bearing in mind that I haven't gotten to the new IC posts yet.

For the moment, the limit of Cambria's involvement in the burgeoning global conflict is a blockade of Dutch ports on the North Sea and Wadden Sea.

Since the Netherlands are not a threat to Cambria, and since Cambria stands to gain very little if anything from Dutch holdings, AND since Cambria's rather busy in North America, AND since Hansa threw the first punch, as it were...it seems unlikely that Cambria would enter into a full war.

If circumstances change, I may have to reconsider. But for right now, minimally involved.

[Cymrea]

I promise that Cambria's involvement is nothing against you, Ry. I'm supporting an ally with a naval blockade. As far as I can tell, that will be the limit of Cambria's involvement in this particular conflict.

Speaking of... what IS Cambrian military situation in Austrailia? Does Korea need to send forces to protect Cambrian interests as per Pearl Treaty or am I safe to assume that Aussies have enough ships to defend themselves should Dutch launch a surprise attack there?

So far, so good. Australia has enough ships to defend itself, but limited in their ability to launch an offensive - in which I have no real interest.

I could see Ry responding to my blockade with...something. It wouldn't be unreasonable at all. But if the Netherlands attempts an invasion, Cambria will have to respond - which I don't think Netherlands wants to do given that they have plenty on their plate with Hansa alone. And since an attack on Australia would pull in France as well as Korea (at least in the region), I think it's safe to assume the Dutch will focus elsewhere and leave Australia alone.

[Lenyo]

Fabulous! Do you just want your regime change to be inspired by French politics (power of a good example), or do you want France to very directly fan the flames of revolution? The Second French Republic would absolutely bankroll republican movements, especially when they're so geographically close to France, but if the revolt is a complete surprise then France can't effectively support the revolution. Also do you want your monarchy to remain as a nationalist symbol, or do you think they're outdated? How many houses will your parliament have? Will franchise be universal or by wealth? Will trade unions be legal? How about censorship? The possibilities are exciting.

Uh...
I didn't think that far ahead. By French-style revolution, I meant overthrow and execute the monarchy and then establish a parliamentary presidential republic- like the one France has. Once the plotters kill the Queen, her son, and their supporters in government, they'll most likely ask France to help cement the dominance of the Most Serene Republic of Brittany by sending in troops. I would, of course, keep all my colonies this time.

France would absolutely help cement a new republican regime. Marvelous

[Conwy-Shire]

-- revolutionary crud intensifies --

seems legit

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Uh...
I didn't think that far ahead. By French-style revolution, I meant overthrow and execute the monarchy and then establish a parliamentary presidential republic- like the one France has. Once the plotters kill the Queen, her son, and their supporters in government, they'll most likely ask France to help cement the dominance of the Most Serene Republic of Brittany by sending in troops. I would, of course, keep all my colonies this time.

France would absolutely help cement a new republican regime. Marvelous

I sent France a letter asking for help from the Republic of Brittany in the civil war against the Third Kingdom. If you could respond to it, marvelous.

[Lenyo]

France is gonna get a bit of a trade boost from all these trans-oceanic conventional wars. It would be really risky for commercial vessels to fly the Hansan/Dutch/Chinese flags while these international crises are brewing, while the French merchant navy is almost risk-free. That will not have a major effect on the RP, but I assume tavern-keepers will profit handsomely in French ports. ^^

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

So just how much of former Louisiana has been gobbled up already?

[Second Helghan Empire]

Okay first off rl ww1 was not germany's fault. Anyway You have forces inbound to East africa which will interfere with my war effort so I will accept his help and I take your forces in the area as an act of war. My ships are up and down the coast of Dutch East africa, If you ignore their demands to turn around then you will be fired upon. If you attack my ships you will be retaliated against.

I was referring to the Second World War. If it's a full scale war with Japan that you want, however, I'm happy to oblige, Mr Righteous Indignation That Anyone Would Interfere With His Blatant Bullying. Just remember that the last time a German underestimated the Japanese, it did not go well for Germany.

What when did germany and Japan have any type of major interaction, hell even in ww2 the Japanese and Germans effectively fought two different wars.

Now as for the bullying if you are referring to my use of allies to achieve objectives then you are sort of right sort of wrong. I have built a web of allies that pretty much makes it impossible for me to go to war alone.

Here:

France: Defensive though support in most offensive wars, They are however neutral in this one.
Cambria: Defensive though they support in most offensive wars, They are only blockading in this war.
Courland: Full offensive and defensive, They are the only european ally as of yet involved in was with the netherlands.
Christendom: Defensive, though support for colonial expansion has been claimed. They are as of yet not involved in this war.
Austrasia: Defensive, As yet no side has been taken in the conflict.
Korea: Defensive and colonial ambition support, In fact that is why Korea is invading Dutch East Indies, Colonial Ambitions
Brittany: At one time a defensive pact
Cheng: Unofficial military support should war between the east and west occur
Rome: I really want friendly relations however my reps have only recently arrived in Constantinople
Russia: One time allies now unknown relations though leaning towards friendly.

Now my second point is I only officially called a single ally into the war, and that was Courland. Any reactions besides that are just nations living up to their honorable agreements in however they see fit. Like France being neutral or Cambria not landing troops is completely acceptable.

[Second Helghan Empire]

So just how much of former Louisiana has been gobbled up already?

I am pretty sure almost all of it, infact it happened so fast that I was unable to get in on it the day after it was removed officially from the map.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

So just how much of former Louisiana has been gobbled up already?

I am pretty sure almost all of it, infact it happened so fast that I was unable to get in on it the day after it was removed officially from the map.

Geez I was hoping to give some breathing room for my natives. I personally don't mind not having New Orleans itself. but those grain lands what a damn shame.

Is there any official map of claims for this region though?

[Second Helghan Empire]

I am pretty sure almost all of it, infact it happened so fast that I was unable to get in on it the day after it was removed officially from the map.

Geez I was hoping to give some breathing room for my natives. I personally don't mind not having New Orleans itself. but those grain lands what a damn shame.

Is there any official map of claims for this region though?

Not quite but Aztecs have the vast majority, France has Louisiana itself, and Cambria has the northern part all the way to st. Louis.

[Cymrea]

I am pretty sure almost all of it, infact it happened so fast that I was unable to get in on it the day after it was removed officially from the map.

Geez I was hoping to give some breathing room for my natives. I personally don't mind not having New Orleans itself. but those grain lands what a damn shame.

Is there any official map of claims for this region though?

I haven't been keeping track of others, but Cambria is restoring order and protecting North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, and Missouri. I very carefully stayed out of Minnesota, Arkansas, and northern Louisiana.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Geez I was hoping to give some breathing room for my natives. I personally don't mind not having New Orleans itself. but those grain lands what a damn shame.

Is there any official map of claims for this region though?

I haven't been keeping track of others, but Cambria is restoring order and protecting North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, and Missouri. I very carefully stayed out of Minnesota, Arkansas, and northern Louisiana.

Regarding the treaty check you telegrams.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

-- revolutionary crud intensifies --

seems legit

Don't forget about your special Gurkha soldiers!

[Lenyo]

Geez I was hoping to give some breathing room for my natives. I personally don't mind not having New Orleans itself. but those grain lands what a damn shame.
Is there any official map of claims for this region though?

Not quite but Aztecs have the vast majority, France has Louisiana itself, and Cambria has the northern part all the way to st. Louis.

France needs to protect the French language, you see. The more French-speakers a place has, the more France cares.

[Lenyo]

Also TGDR totally knows how to use flattery to his/her advantage. Praising someone's political system goes a long way to having them pay your war costs.

[Conwy-Shire]

-- Yet more revolutionary crud --

is that flattering enough for the Republicans?

[Lenyo]

-- Yet more revolutionary crud --

is that flattering enough for the Republicans?

Yes?

[Cymrea]

Not quite but Aztecs have the vast majority, France has Louisiana itself, and Cambria has the northern part all the way to st. Louis.

France needs to protect the French language, you see. The more French-speakers a place has, the more France cares.

Je ne parle pas francais.


D'accord, je parle un petit peu.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Also TGDR totally knows how to use flattery to his/her advantage. Praising someone's political system goes a long way to having them pay your war costs.

What can I say? I'm a gifted sweet-talker.

[Conwy-Shire]

Also TGDR totally knows how to use flattery to his/her advantage. Praising someone's political system goes a long way to having them pay your war costs.

What can I say? I'm a gifted sweet-talker.

So is this, apparently

-- Yet more revolutionary crud --

is that flattering enough for the Republicans?