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Postby Red Party » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:30 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Red Party wrote:I'll edit to Alvis FV104 Samaritan's

Those are armored hospitals

They are repurposed, I thought about using American equipment, but I thought that it'd seem more realistic to repurpose something.
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Postby World Anarchic Union » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:31 pm

I will continue to be the USSR for the time being and become a bit more aggressive. However, what is going on in Germany?! Why is there a war there?! Did the East or the West trigger it?
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:32 pm

Amuaplye wrote:
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Yeah, but tanks require people to operate, and have high logistical requirements. So it is extremely ill advised to have more than a 1 tank:50 infantrymen.

Then, no tanks. I'll go with the one you proposed.

You can have tanks but not at the absurd ratio of 1:1. You being a member of the Warsaw pact have a fairly large number of tanks. There is around one tank for every 50 infantrymen.

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:33 pm

World Anarchic Union wrote:I will continue to be the USSR for the time being and become a bit more aggressive. However, what is going on in Germany?! Why is there a war there?! Did the East or the West trigger it?

The East and the West. Although, if the east wants to revoke his post of war he may do so, since he is a little confused.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
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Postby Zelent » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:34 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
World Anarchic Union wrote:I will continue to be the USSR for the time being and become a bit more aggressive. However, what is going on in Germany?! Why is there a war there?! Did the East or the West trigger it?

The East and the West. Although, if the east wants to revoke his post of war he may do so, since he is a little confused.

I did'nt trigger nuthin. Out of nowhere he just made a post attacking West Berlin. And why? His fault for declaring war in the first place.
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Postby World Anarchic Union » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:36 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
World Anarchic Union wrote:I will continue to be the USSR for the time being and become a bit more aggressive. However, what is going on in Germany?! Why is there a war there?! Did the East or the West trigger it?

The East and the West. Although, if the east wants to revoke his post of war he may do so, since he is a little confused.

I meant who started it?
Also, in a potential invasion of Afghanistan what could be the possible repercussions for the USSR since Afghanistan is already in turmoil and what could the results be since we have no Afghan player?
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:37 pm

West Germany you do realize the East has a giant military, of over 600k ground troops alone that can be mobilized.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
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Postby Zelent » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:37 pm

World Anarchic Union wrote:
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:The East and the West. Although, if the east wants to revoke his post of war he may do so, since he is a little confused.

I meant who started it?
Also, in a potential invasion of Afghanistan what could be the possible repercussions for the USSR since Afghanistan is already in turmoil and what could the results be since we have no Afghan player?

He just out of nowhere bombed the Berlin wall and sent troops across into West Berlin, bombing everything in sight even though the Heimgarde units stood down and went home.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:39 pm

World Anarchic Union wrote:
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:The East and the West. Although, if the east wants to revoke his post of war he may do so, since he is a little confused.

I meant who started it?
Also, in a potential invasion of Afghanistan what could be the possible repercussions for the USSR since Afghanistan is already in turmoil and what could the results be since we have no Afghan player?

Well Soviet military doctrine is not really good for long term combat or low intensity conflicts such as in Afghanistan. The main reason being the lack of an effective NCO cadre, that makes decision making a lot slower, something that is very dangerous against hit and run enemies.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:41 pm

Red Party I can't access your map

Anyway, will you edit your post so we can get the hostages? The deal won't be final until they are all released.
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Postby Red Party » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:42 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:Red Party I can't access your map

Anyway, will you edit your post so we can get the hostages? The deal won't be final until they are all released.

I'll edit it
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Postby Zelent » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:43 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:West Germany you do realize the East has a giant military, of over 600k ground troops alone that can be mobilized.

His peacetime strength, according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ite_note-6) is about 127,000 men in Active and Reserve, total, the war is only a couple days old, no way he has increased military size that much.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:45 pm

Anyways about the war in Germany. It is very likely that a portion of the NVA would defect mostly the poorly paid, and trained peoples protection units. Though I would think that the regular ground troops would provide stiff resistance.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
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Social:1.40

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:45 pm

Zelent wrote:
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:West Germany you do realize the East has a giant military, of over 600k ground troops alone that can be mobilized.

His peacetime strength, according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ite_note-6) is about 127,000 men in Active and Reserve, total, the war is only a couple days old, no way he has increased military size that much.

I said CAN BE MOBILIZED not in his military.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Zelent » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:48 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Zelent wrote:His peacetime strength, according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... ite_note-6) is about 127,000 men in Active and Reserve, total, the war is only a couple days old, no way he has increased military size that much.

I said CAN BE MOBILIZED not in his military.

Fair, but no way this war will take more then a week or two at most.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:50 pm

Well the NVA had a significant advantage in rapid mobilization. It would take him a little under a month to get it to his war size.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:51 pm

Red Party is going to be pissed when he sees what I just did.

Needless to say, we don't deal with terrorists.
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Postby Zelent » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:53 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Well the NVA had a significant advantage in rapid mobilization. It would take him a little under a month to get it to his war size.

Where is the 600,000 number coming from, according to Wikipedia, by 1990, and thats 20 years from now obviously, East Germany could mobilize 400,000 soldiers at maximum. not including the KdA, who are not very well equipped and as you said, most would probably either defect or dissolve.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:54 pm

Zelent wrote:
Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Well the NVA had a significant advantage in rapid mobilization. It would take him a little under a month to get it to his war size.

Where is the 600,000 number coming from, according to Wikipedia, by 1990, and thats 20 years from now obviously, East Germany could mobilize 400,000 soldiers at maximum. not including the KdA, who are not very well equipped and as you said, most would probably either defect or dissolve.

I am including the KdA though in my count.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
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Postby Red Party » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:59 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:Red Party is going to be pissed when he sees what I just did.

Needless to say, we don't deal with terrorists.

We aren't terrorists though, you just declared war on a independent country.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:00 pm

East Germany made the very questionable decision on not using his border guards in a delaying action.

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"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:03 pm

Red Party wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:Red Party is going to be pissed when he sees what I just did.

Needless to say, we don't deal with terrorists.

We aren't terrorists though, you just declared war on a independent country.


Dude your not a country!

That message the governor sent was just to get you to release the hostages. If you looked in IC, you will notice that it was only broadcast in the evacuated areas around the siege zones.

your just a couple of lunatics who took some hostages and held up in some buildings. Now however, you are just a couple of lunatics with no hostages and held up in some buildings.
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Postby Amuaplye » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:04 pm

Democratic peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:East Germany made the very questionable decision on not using his border guards in a delaying action.

The border guards went in with the other troops.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:05 pm

To be honest, I would have had you kill every single one of the hostages before I gave you what you wanted.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:06 pm

Also East Germany your civilians are not very motivate to fight as you would like to think there is a reason for such a high defection rate.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
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