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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:17 pm

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I remember Alexandra, she kissed Hiro after he attempted suicide in Book II and was married to him in KGA but might have felt homesick.

She was the closest thing to a best friend she had in Book 2. While Alexandra had her own problems and didn't know Terra's fully- her words helped. She's part of why Terra ended up in Japan and like Alexandra, her friend, got married. She wasn't all to happy with what Hiro revealed he did during KGA but I think that to be understandable.


Do you think Terra in turn helped Alexandra in some way?

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Postby Harbertia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:31 pm

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
Harbertia wrote:She was the closest thing to a best friend she had in Book 2. While Alexandra had her own problems and didn't know Terra's fully- her words helped. She's part of why Terra ended up in Japan and like Alexandra, her friend, got married. She wasn't all to happy with what Hiro revealed he did during KGA but I think that to be understandable.


Do you think Terra in turn helped Alexandra in some way?

In seeking an answer I found that they are both paranoid of the state. According to a post by PF Alexandra feels the state killed Takashi, used Hiro (her husband) to create a weapon against supers, feels they have tramatized Terra due to her hospitalization, and presently treat metahumans as second rank citizens in preparation for a return of Order era politics. Both of them want to leave Japan but are family bound.

I found that Terra hates Hiro's family and stated such in the IC- she fears the family enough to believe that members of it are out to kill her and feels betrayed because Hiro didn't deliver on his promise to her- for a cure. But since the Hospital converation she realizes why- about what became of his project and how keeping the notes let alone using a working sample would have made things worse. She doesn't like that they lied to William leaving her with the task of telling him- heck not only lied but-....

Alexandra and Terra didn't get to talk about such concerns on the KGA IC but Terra desires to work with Alexandra to get themselves and William out of Japan; at least during the events of KGA that was a desire. However with Wilson' showing up things - the environment has- changed slightly-

I honestly forgot that entire plot line was going on because I regret my outburst that was taken out of canon thankfully. The outburst involved thking Hiro's family was against her and members of it in on the government plot of which both her and Alexandra believe in- be it theory or fact.
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Postby Personal Freedom » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:45 pm

I remember Alexandra was a very flawed character based on my own selfishness. I'm older than she was in book one now...
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:02 pm

Personal Freedom wrote:I remember Alexandra was a very flawed character based on my own selfishness. I'm older than she was in book one now...

I remember a bit of that from her in Book One especially but I typically think more fondly of her friendship with Terra; especially after Terra lost Takashi.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:13 pm

I meant to work on this today but two people didn't show up for work today and my department was thus a little understaffed. It took longer for me to unwind after work then I expected to.

Regardless this is what the character sheet currently looks like and it's designed to not only get players to really flesh out their characters but to also show ways of developing their characters- and of course points for the operators in developing the story around them.

Right now I'm testing the method out on my own character and I'd like to share what the character sheet looks like thus far to get some feedback and allow ya'll to try it out as well (for even better feedback as I've made a few forms for characters only to start making my own and find the form unworthy) so this is the current form.

NAME: Taul Le
SPECIES: Kaminoan
APPEARANCE: Tall, Pale, Grey Eyed- her arms, neck, and legs are wrapped in a grey cloth though her long skirt obscures such.
HISTORY: (Where she was born in this case on Kamino but which colony? Is she a clone or the product of selective breeding and in such cases how was she raised? If a clone how are the others in her batch and what is her relationship to them? If a natural birth does she have any connection to her parents or is she closer to the state? What was she doing before leaving Kamino? Why did she leave Kamino? What has she left behind? What doe's she wont?)
MANNERISM:
  • When nervous Taul Le will rub the back of her neck.
  • She eats slowly and methodically moving from one course to the next and prefers processed foods such as nutrient bars and protein paste yet has a love for shelled sea life. Her preference for processed foods is the consistency- the lack of disappointment- the certainty. But even she feels a thrill when granted her favorite of meals. Her usual slow manner is slightly more rushed in such situations.
WORLD VIEW:
Taul Le's world view revolves around the Kaminoan's quest for perfection. Those who seek to achieve perfection are to be admired while those who turn upon flaws as some 'strength' are to be looked down upon. Yet the perfect being never allows emotions to dictate a response- they should be polite in all things be they benevolent or malevolent in nature. By her view she's a fragile work of art that should be tended to and preserved. Others can be made into art as well.
PAIN POINTS:
  • Being around individuals who have lost limbs, been scared, or deformed in some fashion disturbs her. She finds difficulty maintaining a calm air around them as in her society such persons are seen as imperfect and in many cases are culled for such imperfection. As such she's never learned to tolerate them but rather to see them as something to be terminated.
  • Despite her society having a practice of terminating divergent, deviant, or otherwise flawed individuals at birth, gestation, or in latter life they still see a value in the next generation and desire to raise the worthy in a healthy environment. As such the sight of impoverished or abused children disturbed her. In her case she desires to help even if they are not of her own kind. She grew up without poverty or abuse- only the lose of close associates deemed unworthy but always in a polite fashion- even with the chance to say goodbye. She's not been exposed to poverty or abuse on her world and can't imagine others enduring it without feeling terrified by such thoughts.
DESIRES:
  • To be complimented.
  • To serve her people
  • To be welcomed
FEARS & PHOBIAS:
  • Physical Deformity
  • Scaring of Tissue
  • Imperfection of Self


That character is still in development I'm just posting for impressions on the form and of course to allow ya'll an early start on preparing characters for the RP.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:12 am

Popping in~!

Get my day off tomorrow, so before my next case arrives I think I will clean and do dishes, sigh, I really thought once I became an adult chores would be over.

Progress on any stuff? Decided to shelve that magic school story thing, instead trying to work on the RPG me and friends will play, on the flip side of things, everything going well in here? I see Star Wars and character development coming up; I still say we use OMAT as a study, it may be defunct, but we can still learn a lot from it, and if we break the universe so what? Sometimes when the universe you write in gets "broken" by a force, you merely need to rethink how everything worked to start with! ^.^

The story with Robyn and Rachel taught me nothing if not that... and it also taught that complexity doesnt make a story better, just harder to understand >.<
Global War on Crime
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Al-Khalifiya Campaign
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Arabic Spain Remembrance
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Aravean Liberation
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Magian Defense
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:59 am

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Popping in~!

Get my day off tomorrow, so before my next case arrives I think I will clean and do dishes, sigh, I really thought once I became an adult chores would be over.

Progress on any stuff? Decided to shelve that magic school story thing, instead trying to work on the RPG me and friends will play, on the flip side of things, everything going well in here? I see Star Wars and character development coming up; I still say we use OMAT as a study, it may be defunct, but we can still learn a lot from it, and if we break the universe so what? Sometimes when the universe you write in gets "broken" by a force, you merely need to rethink how everything worked to start with! ^.^

The story with Robyn and Rachel taught me nothing if not that... and it also taught that complexity doesnt make a story better, just harder to understand >.<

I’d say you define “broken” lest there be a misunderstanding between you and other members, Avalon.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:39 am

Rynagria wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Popping in~!

Get my day off tomorrow, so before my next case arrives I think I will clean and do dishes, sigh, I really thought once I became an adult chores would be over.

Progress on any stuff? Decided to shelve that magic school story thing, instead trying to work on the RPG me and friends will play, on the flip side of things, everything going well in here? I see Star Wars and character development coming up; I still say we use OMAT as a study, it may be defunct, but we can still learn a lot from it, and if we break the universe so what? Sometimes when the universe you write in gets "broken" by a force, you merely need to rethink how everything worked to start with! ^.^

The story with Robyn and Rachel taught me nothing if not that... and it also taught that complexity doesnt make a story better, just harder to understand >.<

I’d say you define “broken” lest there be a misunderstanding between you and other members, Avalon.

Exactly what the word means?
We wrote a character some time ago that required an entire rework of how the world spun, and it made the story so much more rich for it because it just hits ya right out of left field no warning at all. The two heroes fit together on a lot more levels cause of it too, but it required some thought, but overall I think we do a good job there, the end result being an angel that feels a bit like Alucard in Hellsing Ultimate Abridged.

My point to all that? Too often do we all focus on equality that it gets in the way of the story, give everyone equal ability for opportunity, but as far as the inherit parts of character, I think you let that go crazy within reason. When they do comic book writing, at some point in the stage of it with Hulk or any other OP hero, Punisher, they have to go "How do we scale this guy down?" "How do we nerf him for now to show off the story as we want it?" I don't know, I just think looking at things from an "RP focal point" really kills the story because it almost feels like people compete with the written word, like some want their heroes to be these grand myths and legends that overshadow the others. Witht he comment o a broken universe, what I meant was this, it makes you think and add the little details, work as a team. We threw that angel in and sudden realized we had no mythos aside from the norm as to what all went on up in Heaven, now? We got a whole lot of it, and some for all the various polytheistic religions on the planet. Teamwork makes the dreamwork.
Global War on Crime
______
Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
|____|
Order of the Purple Cross
______
Al-Khalifiya Campaign
_|||_|||_
Arabic Spain Remembrance
______
Aravean Liberation
______
Magian Defense
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Postby Harbertia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:13 am

I'm with Ryn on this one.
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:30 am

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Rynagria wrote:I’d say you define “broken” lest there be a misunderstanding between you and other members, Avalon.

Exactly what the word means?
We wrote a character some time ago that required an entire rework of how the world spun, and it made the story so much more rich for it because it just hits ya right out of left field no warning at all. The two heroes fit together on a lot more levels cause of it too, but it required some thought, but overall I think we do a good job there, the end result being an angel that feels a bit like Alucard in Hellsing Ultimate Abridged.

My point to all that? Too often do we all focus on equality that it gets in the way of the story, give everyone equal ability for opportunity, but as far as the inherit parts of character, I think you let that go crazy within reason. When they do comic book writing, at some point in the stage of it with Hulk or any other OP hero, Punisher, they have to go "How do we scale this guy down?" "How do we nerf him for now to show off the story as we want it?" I don't know, I just think looking at things from an "RP focal point" really kills the story because it almost feels like people compete with the written word, like some want their heroes to be these grand myths and legends that overshadow the others. Witht he comment o a broken universe, what I meant was this, it makes you think and add the little details, work as a team. We threw that angel in and sudden realized we had no mythos aside from the norm as to what all went on up in Heaven, now? We got a whole lot of it, and some for all the various polytheistic religions on the planet. Teamwork makes the dreamwork.

Two heroes? Angel? Are you referring about Savior? Your first paragraph confuses me. Alucard from Hellsing Abridge was pretty much the original with the exception that all of his personality traits were turned to 11. Everyone was. Is that what you’re saying? You want an RP where we turn everything up to an 11? I’m confused.

If I’m interpreting your second paragraph correctly, you feel that due to the focus of an RP focal point limits storytelling. That characters go against the rules of the setting to be some godly force that leaves everyone in the dust. Am I taking this wrong, too literal, or something else? I’m genuinely curious since I’m no intellectual.

Harbertia wrote:I'm with Ryn on this one.

While I’m glad that you support me, I have not given a response until now. :)
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:48 am

Rynagria wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Exactly what the word means?
We wrote a character some time ago that required an entire rework of how the world spun, and it made the story so much more rich for it because it just hits ya right out of left field no warning at all. The two heroes fit together on a lot more levels cause of it too, but it required some thought, but overall I think we do a good job there, the end result being an angel that feels a bit like Alucard in Hellsing Ultimate Abridged.

My point to all that? Too often do we all focus on equality that it gets in the way of the story, give everyone equal ability for opportunity, but as far as the inherit parts of character, I think you let that go crazy within reason. When they do comic book writing, at some point in the stage of it with Hulk or any other OP hero, Punisher, they have to go "How do we scale this guy down?" "How do we nerf him for now to show off the story as we want it?" I don't know, I just think looking at things from an "RP focal point" really kills the story because it almost feels like people compete with the written word, like some want their heroes to be these grand myths and legends that overshadow the others. Witht he comment o a broken universe, what I meant was this, it makes you think and add the little details, work as a team. We threw that angel in and sudden realized we had no mythos aside from the norm as to what all went on up in Heaven, now? We got a whole lot of it, and some for all the various polytheistic religions on the planet. Teamwork makes the dreamwork.

Two heroes? Angel? Are you referring about Savior? Your first paragraph confuses me. Alucard from Hellsing Abridge was pretty much the original with the exception that all of his personality traits were turned to 11. Everyone was. Is that what you’re saying? You want an RP where we turn everything up to an 11? I’m confused.

If I’m interpreting your second paragraph correctly, you feel that due to the focus of an RP focal point limits storytelling. That characters go against the rules of the setting to be some godly force that leaves everyone in the dust. Am I taking this wrong, too literal, or something else? I’m genuinely curious since I’m no intellectual.

Harbertia wrote:I'm with Ryn on this one.

While I’m glad that you support me, I have not given a response until now. :)

Ah, I see the misunderstanding.
Not OMAT, the thing we have been writing, the one with the "Minutemen" lmao We revised a character from merely a witch to something far more overarching and it broke the universe - I can't tellt he secret of how though ;) but it required a reworking of Heaven and such.

It just always seems RPs are focused on one upping one another, instead of collective storytelling. Anything built falls apart at the base here, so perhaps we adapt a new kind of structure and see if the building stands up for even longer than they have before?
Global War on Crime
______
Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
|____|
Order of the Purple Cross
______
Al-Khalifiya Campaign
_|||_|||_
Arabic Spain Remembrance
______
Aravean Liberation
______
Magian Defense
||||||||


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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:27 pm

Personal Freedom wrote:I remember Alexandra was a very flawed character based on my own selfishness. I'm older than she was in book one now...


With five years passing since Book I personal change seems inevitable. One could conceivably look back on their old work with a present day mindset not understand what made them write like that in the first place. Does one renounce and bury their past work, unable to come to terms with it or feel compelled to update and refine it? If one can remember the core idea that gave root to their past work, then maybe they have a platform to continue working it to its natural conclusion.
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:39 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Rynagria wrote:Two heroes? Angel? Are you referring about Savior? Your first paragraph confuses me. Alucard from Hellsing Abridge was pretty much the original with the exception that all of his personality traits were turned to 11. Everyone was. Is that what you’re saying? You want an RP where we turn everything up to an 11? I’m confused.

If I’m interpreting your second paragraph correctly, you feel that due to the focus of an RP focal point limits storytelling. That characters go against the rules of the setting to be some godly force that leaves everyone in the dust. Am I taking this wrong, too literal, or something else? I’m genuinely curious since I’m no intellectual.


While I’m glad that you support me, I have not given a response until now. :)

Ah, I see the misunderstanding.
Not OMAT, the thing we have been writing, the one with the "Minutemen" lmao We revised a character from merely a witch to something far more overarching and it broke the universe - I can't tellt he secret of how though ;) but it required a reworking of Heaven and such.

It just always seems RPs are focused on one upping one another, instead of collective storytelling. Anything built falls apart at the base here, so perhaps we adapt a new kind of structure and see if the building stands up for even longer than they have before?

Oh yes the Sci-Fi Fantasy RP thing. I was slotted to play the villain... I don’t recall any witch being discussed at all. My apologies if I don’t remember.

There is an element of that I admit. If you have an idea for this structure I’d be glad to hear them out.
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Postby Harbertia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:59 pm

Well, Friday is soon to be here so I should be able to focus on getting the Star Wars RP going soon. It would seem the character sheet is approved by ya'll so it'll be used. I just have to set the stage right so players understand the year and what their character has likely been through.

Thanks Avalon for complimenting my character planning.
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Postby Personal Freedom » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:11 pm

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
Personal Freedom wrote:I remember Alexandra was a very flawed character based on my own selfishness. I'm older than she was in book one now...


With five years passing since Book I personal change seems inevitable. One could conceivably look back on their old work with a present day mindset not understand what made them write like that in the first place. Does one renounce and bury their past work, unable to come to terms with it or feel compelled to update and refine it? If one can remember the core idea that gave root to their past work, then maybe they have a platform to continue working it to its natural conclusion.

I remember rejecting her some time into KGA before exiting the rp... and has it really been five years? To be honest, that would make sense. I've mostly buried that the RP in my mind and forgotten so much... like I forgot the kiss scene entirely... though I remember Alexandria burning out and passing out... I remember her caring deeply for Terra in KGA and hating her own existence. But heck.... to play a character based on my insecurities and dark parts of my personality now would be to play a different sort of character entirely.
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Postby Harbertia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:14 pm

Personal Freedom wrote:
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
With five years passing since Book I personal change seems inevitable. One could conceivably look back on their old work with a present day mindset not understand what made them write like that in the first place. Does one renounce and bury their past work, unable to come to terms with it or feel compelled to update and refine it? If one can remember the core idea that gave root to their past work, then maybe they have a platform to continue working it to its natural conclusion.

I remember rejecting her some time into KGA before exiting the rp... and has it really been five years? To be honest, that would make sense. I've mostly buried that the RP in my mind and forgotten so much... like I forgot the kiss scene entirely... though I remember Alexandria burning out and passing out... I remember her caring deeply for Terra in KGA and hating her own existence. But heck.... to play a character based on my insecurities and dark parts of my personality now would be to play a different sort of character entirely.

That's something I feel anytime people ask me to play 'Past Terra' rather then 'Present Terra'.
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:05 pm

Personal Freedom wrote:
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
With five years passing since Book I personal change seems inevitable. One could conceivably look back on their old work with a present day mindset not understand what made them write like that in the first place. Does one renounce and bury their past work, unable to come to terms with it or feel compelled to update and refine it? If one can remember the core idea that gave root to their past work, then maybe they have a platform to continue working it to its natural conclusion.

I remember rejecting her some time into KGA before exiting the rp... and has it really been five years? To be honest, that would make sense. I've mostly buried that the RP in my mind and forgotten so much... like I forgot the kiss scene entirely... though I remember Alexandria burning out and passing out... I remember her caring deeply for Terra in KGA and hating her own existence. But heck.... to play a character based on my insecurities and dark parts of my personality now would be to play a different sort of character entirely.


To think that over half a decade has passed - OM&T started way back in 2013. And soon it will be six years half way through 2019.

Its optimistic to assume that we have all changed for the better, come to a better understanding of ourselves and recognising the folly of our past selves and moving on from their immaturity and insecurities, such is the natural expected development to occur in such a considerable period of time. I'm scared of the idea that it doesn't feel that long, to remain trapped in the same mindset with no sense of progress in moving forward, like it was just yesterday, to essentially stagnate.

In that regard I'm glad to experience dissonance looking at past work, thinking how I would have done it differently, perhaps better or not done it at all. Just as we can change so can our characters in theory, assuming we apply a human measure to them. If built on insecurities then in theory such a character would either evolve or devolve from their weight. Same with darkness, we have the potential to find the metaphorical light if we are fortunate else we become lost in it, perhaps to the point of no return.

Do you have a vision of where you would take Alexandra as a character and her past-based insecurities under your current mindset? A guide out of her darkness that you can see her follow? If so then perhaps there's potential for inspiration - an unfinished work to complete and make whole. But if not, if her insecurities and darkness are the endpoint of her existence, or if you feel better off without recalling your past self would you consider yourself completely done with the character even in a recreational capacity?

Strange... I can only remember Alex with her relation to Hiro. That kiss scene did strike me with a melodramatic impression given the context, the trope page called it an Anguished Declaration of Love.

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Postby Personal Freedom » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:40 pm

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
Personal Freedom wrote:I remember rejecting her some time into KGA before exiting the rp... and has it really been five years? To be honest, that would make sense. I've mostly buried that the RP in my mind and forgotten so much... like I forgot the kiss scene entirely... though I remember Alexandria burning out and passing out... I remember her caring deeply for Terra in KGA and hating her own existence. But heck.... to play a character based on my insecurities and dark parts of my personality now would be to play a different sort of character entirely.


To think that over half a decade has passed - OM&T started way back in 2013. And soon it will be six years half way through 2019.

Its optimistic to assume that we have all changed for the better, come to a better understanding of ourselves and recognising the folly of our past selves and moving on from their immaturity and insecurities, such is the natural expected development to occur in such a considerable period of time. I'm scared of the idea that it doesn't feel that long, to remain trapped in the same mindset with no sense of progress in moving forward, like it was just yesterday, to essentially stagnate.

In that regard I'm glad to experience dissonance looking at past work, thinking how I would have done it differently, perhaps better or not done it at all. Just as we can change so can our characters in theory, assuming we apply a human measure to them. If built on insecurities then in theory such a character would either evolve or devolve from their weight. Same with darkness, we have the potential to find the metaphorical light if we are fortunate else we become lost in it, perhaps to the point of no return.

Do you have a vision of where you would take Alexandra as a character and her past-based insecurities under your current mindset? A guide out of her darkness that you can see her follow? If so then perhaps there's potential for inspiration - an unfinished work to complete and make whole. But if not, if her insecurities and darkness are the endpoint of her existence, or if you feel better off without recalling your past self would you consider yourself completely done with the character even in a recreational capacity?

Strange... I can only remember Alex with her relation to Hiro. That kiss scene did strike me with a melodramatic impression given the context, the trope page called it an Anguished Declaration of Love.

Well, I think Alexandra was built on both my fear of being alone and my sense of self-peservation... along with some type of metaphysical angst. In many ways, she had traits I wished I had, but at the same time I seem to recall, at least in my mind, that the selfishness was something that really was important to how she thought. I can't really put myself back into her mindset as it has been a long time, but I think she was based on what I would be like in the warped world we had created. She had some of my negative traits to the extreme. Today someone with my more negative traits to the extreme would more resemble Cynthia... though more social... and more bumbling.

Anyways, I'm getting into rambling but I would consider myself done with her character as she is an alien mind to me now. Her existence is equally alien. (I didn't remember that she was pregnant, for example.) I don't remember enough of her to be able to give her a conclusion. I mean, I think she was beginning to become a better person when I left KGA (in terms of her personality; not her writing) but she was very distant from me. I could no longer remember how she worked. In the OOC there was a post where I said as much... whatever had inspired her and was easy for me to access in writing her actions had ceased to exist.
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:05 pm

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Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
To think that over half a decade has passed - OM&T started way back in 2013. And soon it will be six years half way through 2019.

Its optimistic to assume that we have all changed for the better, come to a better understanding of ourselves and recognising the folly of our past selves and moving on from their immaturity and insecurities, such is the natural expected development to occur in such a considerable period of time. I'm scared of the idea that it doesn't feel that long, to remain trapped in the same mindset with no sense of progress in moving forward, like it was just yesterday, to essentially stagnate.

In that regard I'm glad to experience dissonance looking at past work, thinking how I would have done it differently, perhaps better or not done it at all. Just as we can change so can our characters in theory, assuming we apply a human measure to them. If built on insecurities then in theory such a character would either evolve or devolve from their weight. Same with darkness, we have the potential to find the metaphorical light if we are fortunate else we become lost in it, perhaps to the point of no return.

Do you have a vision of where you would take Alexandra as a character and her past-based insecurities under your current mindset? A guide out of her darkness that you can see her follow? If so then perhaps there's potential for inspiration - an unfinished work to complete and make whole. But if not, if her insecurities and darkness are the endpoint of her existence, or if you feel better off without recalling your past self would you consider yourself completely done with the character even in a recreational capacity?

Strange... I can only remember Alex with her relation to Hiro. That kiss scene did strike me with a melodramatic impression given the context, the trope page called it an Anguished Declaration of Love.

Well, I think Alexandra was built on both my fear of being alone and my sense of self-peservation... along with some type of metaphysical angst. In many ways, she had traits I wished I had, but at the same time I seem to recall, at least in my mind, that the selfishness was something that really was important to how she thought. I can't really put myself back into her mindset as it has been a long time, but I think she was based on what I would be like in the warped world we had created. She had some of my negative traits to the extreme. Today someone with my more negative traits to the extreme would more resemble Cynthia... though more social... and more bumbling.

Anyways, I'm getting into rambling but I would consider myself done with her character as she is an alien mind to me now. Her existence is equally alien. (I didn't remember that she was pregnant, for example.) I don't remember enough of her to be able to give her a conclusion. I mean, I think she was beginning to become a better person when I left KGA (in terms of her personality; not her writing) but she was very distant from me. I could no longer remember how she worked. In the OOC there was a post where I said as much... whatever had inspired her and was easy for me to access in writing her actions had ceased to exist.


I see... a character that was once personal has now become completely alien, I suppose that could be an indicator of personal growth, presumably for the better. Yet... once upon a time the character was alive... now she's ceased to exist. Would you return to OM&T were it revived someday again, with a different character than Alexandra?

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Postby Personal Freedom » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:41 pm

Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
Personal Freedom wrote:Well, I think Alexandra was built on both my fear of being alone and my sense of self-peservation... along with some type of metaphysical angst. In many ways, she had traits I wished I had, but at the same time I seem to recall, at least in my mind, that the selfishness was something that really was important to how she thought. I can't really put myself back into her mindset as it has been a long time, but I think she was based on what I would be like in the warped world we had created. She had some of my negative traits to the extreme. Today someone with my more negative traits to the extreme would more resemble Cynthia... though more social... and more bumbling.

Anyways, I'm getting into rambling but I would consider myself done with her character as she is an alien mind to me now. Her existence is equally alien. (I didn't remember that she was pregnant, for example.) I don't remember enough of her to be able to give her a conclusion. I mean, I think she was beginning to become a better person when I left KGA (in terms of her personality; not her writing) but she was very distant from me. I could no longer remember how she worked. In the OOC there was a post where I said as much... whatever had inspired her and was easy for me to access in writing her actions had ceased to exist.


I see... a character that was once personal has now become completely alien, I suppose that could be an indicator of personal growth, presumably for the better. Yet... once upon a time the character was alive... now she's ceased to exist. Would you return to OM&T were it revived someday again, with a different character than Alexandra?

Not sure... I'm not sure the genre interests me anymore. I'm not sure that many rps on this site do. I still have an interest in alt-history and space... and fantasy... and probably superheros... but I would like to play something more serious... at the same time... I don't have the time.
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All mimsy were the borogoves,
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Postby Harbertia » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:14 pm

Bad news- the work I did for Star Wars... something- on my PC (the 1000 BBY RP) was not saved as I had it up in a document that was x'ed out of by a guest at my home- who due to morning brain and a long walk was not of the best mind. So... Not only have I forgot what I was calling that RP but I've also lost my collection of notes contributed by TGs between myself and others on the project- and my draft.

I do appologize but that means this is further delayed. It's still the SW RP I'm most enthused about but also the one that now has the least work.

All that remains is what I shared here with ya'll about my character planning and my research into technology- plus what ever I can salvage from sent TGs.

At least for me the work I did on my character isn't lost so I'm not disheartened- just set back.
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Postby Personal Freedom » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:48 pm

Harbertia wrote:Bad news- the work I did for Star Wars... something- on my PC (the 1000 BBY RP) was not saved as I had it up in a document that was x'ed out of by a guest at my home- who due to morning brain and a long walk was not of the best mind. So... Not only have I forgot what I was calling that RP but I've also lost my collection of notes contributed by TGs between myself and others on the project- and my draft.

I do appologize but that means this is further delayed. It's still the SW RP I'm most enthused about but also the one that now has the least work.

All that remains is what I shared here with ya'll about my character planning and my research into technology- plus what ever I can salvage from sent TGs.

At least for me the work I did on my character isn't lost so I'm not disheartened- just set back.

Nationstates also doesn't delete sent telegrams so go back and read the one's you sent and maybe you'll find something
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Postby Harbertia » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:53 pm

Personal Freedom wrote:
Harbertia wrote:Bad news- the work I did for Star Wars... something- on my PC (the 1000 BBY RP) was not saved as I had it up in a document that was x'ed out of by a guest at my home- who due to morning brain and a long walk was not of the best mind. So... Not only have I forgot what I was calling that RP but I've also lost my collection of notes contributed by TGs between myself and others on the project- and my draft.

I do appologize but that means this is further delayed. It's still the SW RP I'm most enthused about but also the one that now has the least work.

All that remains is what I shared here with ya'll about my character planning and my research into technology- plus what ever I can salvage from sent TGs.

At least for me the work I did on my character isn't lost so I'm not disheartened- just set back.

Nationstates also doesn't delete sent telegrams so go back and read the one's you sent and maybe you'll find something

Thanks PF- I may be able to salvage something from this.

Edit: DONE
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Postby Harbertia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:57 am

So- it turns out that long ago- long before Kamino's flooding completely covered the planet- back when it's ancient capital was still above water- a Jedi not only visited the planet but created a library there. Naturally it was lost when the city did flood but upon finding that out I decided that despite 'Force Sensitive' individuals being undesired on Kamino that I'd look into their relation with the force.

In doing so I also discovered what Kaminoans did during the Imperial Era so I'll start with that;

During the Clone Wars they had rejoined the republic and members of their species found themselves off world- one Haum Do is notable for, being outside the controled society of Kamino, actually embracing the pleasant emotions being described as 'bubbly' and being a self made HoloNet Journalist- so being young I guess that's the equivalent of being a YouTube Newscaster. One of her more popular series was on the excavation of rulsorlifts on some planet but the find was a haox and she didn't recover from that despite herself having been fooled. Others off world during the Clone Wars had left to support the CIS and where considered traitors.

During the Rebellion Era most offworld where involved in Imperial Research, the Empire wasn't keen on having aliens in the military but had not issue with using them to advance the Empire's science. But some, perhaps associated with larger migrations during the Clone Wars- were involved in planetary administration, information brokering, and other activities.

As for Jedi... there was one but a very old school one. As such what she called 'Jedi' wasn't anything close to the Order as it was in the Clone Wars.

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Kina Ha was created 3019 BBY (yeah I found out that Kaminoans outlive even Yoda's species); the method of her creation was older you could say- she was modified in the womb to handle long term hyperspace journeys are part of a planned Deep Space mission into the unknown regions but- those missions where canceled and she was left without purpose and training that had no real role in her society. This combined with her own force sensitivity that began to emerge in adulthood lead her to be further ostracized. She had no role to fill, her powers where something the Kaminoans where phasing out, and due to seeing herself as an outsider among her own people she held views counter to the social norm.

She was finally after years of discussion on what to do with her given a ship and sent into the galaxy- the Ruling Council of Kamino having gone through a change from the isolationist faction to the faction that had started her program. She encountered the Jedi during the Jedi Civil War and received training under a Trandoshian Jedi though she proved ill able to handle combat with her success largely being in precognition. She felt she had found a place that felt like home.

She sought to use the force to explore the galaxy, to sense what she could not see- and to Kamino that just sounded like making something up or guessing and her contact became less with the homeworld. During one of her meditations she had a frightening vision of Kamino, her vision was of shadowed soldiers emerging from the waters of Kamino to spread an Empire of Darkness enveloping worlds in it's shroud.

She went back to Kamino and finding that her people where not creating an army began to believe that something dark lurked in Kamino's waters- and her people where in danger as too was the entire galaxy. So she began to live underwater searching for some great evil in it while keeping up with her people's military orders and watching the holonet for signs of conflict. Kamino made many armies and she began to further believe that what she saw must have been something in the waters. She dismissed the idea of the Grand Army of the Republic being what she saw as the army was fighting for the Republic and thus she was blind to what was happening.

However, with record of her gone from the Jedi- and herself never being in contact with them as she didn't believe them to be the same order she once knew- she wasn't a victim of Order 66. When the Empire was declared, and her world began producing clones for the Empire she realized what she had seen- and that she had failed. She left Kamino after the Empire began searching the ruins of Kamino for force relics. She's met up with the Altisian Jedi, a break away faction of the Jedi Order that was closest to what she once knew the order to be. They allowed multiple apprentices and families.
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That being said, and being part of the Expanded Universe, the Kaminoans had some force tradition of their own but it was so rooted in their ancient religion that when the Kaminoans felt betrayed by divinity due to the flood, and turned their back on religion- the practice was at first being reformed into something like 'Psychic Studies' before the theories and research lead them to Mediclorians- which interfered in the cloning process. The Kaminoans determined that Mediclorians influence the action of their host like some kind of parasite and that these creatures interfere in the cloning process by attempting to create individuals out of uniformity- resisting efforts by cloners proper. As a result of struggle between Kaminoan cloners and these microbes defective clones became more abundant and thus Kamino's Ruling Council began making efforts to filter out Mediclorians as Kaminoans should decide their own destiny. Which was part of the rise of their Materialistic rather then spiritualistic society.

Before the Flood they where actually very spiritual- their sense of politeness and monastic ways derive from those ancient customs. They built great sun spires towards the heavens, and had a struggle between the Titans (the elements) and the Gods (Beast Spirits)- but the planet became flooded during a period of hyperindustrialization when reverence for the old ways began to fade- the less religious generation didn't feel the need to fear nature and saw animals as just that- animals- and so ecological harm started to occur, the ice caps melted, and the planet flooded over. They figured that as they could just generate clones of beasts they had no reason to value such animal's population- you had things like fish farms being abundent as they tried to master nature rather then fearing some holy scripture about how nature will fight against the efforts to be controlled.

Regardless though- it seems Kaminoans did turn their backs on faith in spite of all this. Again, Kamino is a mysterious place.
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:27 am

Personal Freedom wrote:
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:
I see... a character that was once personal has now become completely alien, I suppose that could be an indicator of personal growth, presumably for the better. Yet... once upon a time the character was alive... now she's ceased to exist. Would you return to OM&T were it revived someday again, with a different character than Alexandra?

Not sure... I'm not sure the genre interests me anymore. I'm not sure that many rps on this site do. I still have an interest in alt-history and space... and fantasy... and probably superheros... but I would like to play something more serious... at the same time... I don't have the time.


And eventually at some point none of us will have any time as we inevitably move on or become too busy irl... bittersweet I suppose.

A serious RP would be interesting, not sure if it can be done with superheros, in the past my vision of 'serious' correlated with 'dark' but I came to realise it was more so edgy and pretentious rather than mature and sincere. I suppose it would be difficult to draw the line. These days I'm more or less resigned to just having fun and not giving extra thought.

Yet in the memory of OM&T I feel as though there remain elements worth elaborating that I would like to explore from a serious angle, in theory there is potential but in practise perhaps not. What do you think constitutes as serious?

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