The Titans (Portal to the Multiverse RP Group)

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

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Scenario: Palpatine (as Sidious) doesn't approach Dooku.

Basis: Now we know Sidious had great foresight- could cloud the mind of the Jedi even. But as seen in his undoing all men, regardless of power, make mistakes. Interestingly Episode Two offers the most clear image of how things could have been different. Nute Gunray, of the Trade Federation- when brought before the Senate for trial over the occupation of Naboo- warned the Republic of the Sith Lord. Now- the senate dismissed after getting the Jedi Council's opinion- such a claim. The Jedi Council under Mace Windu did not believe a Sith Lord capable of hiding his presence from them in Corosaunt- the largest concentration of Jedi in the Galaxy.

As stated in Episode 2 Nute Gunray sought out Dooku, a former Jedi who had left the Order to return to his family's holdings where he became Count. Nute presented his case to Dooku, who long aware of the corruption of the Jedi Order and the Senate- believed such. Dooku states in Episode 2 that he sought to find this Sith Lord but the Sith Lord found him.

So- imagine if you will for a moment that Dooku with his resourced discovered Palpatine before Palpatine could approach Dooku. Now imagine that Dooku sets out to organize these worlds leaving the Republic- seeing war on the horizon.

Imagine for a moment, that the CIS isn't manipulated by Darth Sidious.... We know Obi-Wan would still not believe Dooku, but imagine....

Hmm... so Dooku never becomes a Sith Lord? And Anakin wasn't moulded enough by the Clone Wars in Episode II to fall to the dark side.

Here's how I see it - in the original canon Dooku was always just meant to be a placeholder for Anakin. Which means he was dispensable - therefore in this alternate timeline we can imagine Sidious took up another placeholder apprentice until Anakin was ready.

Dooku would become a political villain who never fell to the Dark Side.

Manipulating the Clone Wars would not be as direct without Sidious controlling Dooku - its uncertain whether this means the war's span would range for a longer or shorter period - Dooku would remain a formidable opponent for Anakin for years before eventually being overpowered.

[Harbertia]

A bit of a random Star Wars Lore tid-bit.

Kaminoans; the makers of the Clone Army- see in Ultraviolent light. The halls look all clinical white but it's actually vibrantly colored.

Meaning clone armor, which they manufactured, actually has patterns we Humans can't see.

Also- Kaminoans are dark- past wise and socially. Their world use to not be covered in water, but their ice caps melted flooding most of the surface forcing the surviving population into cities built on mountain tops or deep below the ocean. In this environment and with scarce resources they became focused on ensuring that only the best survived- that genetic stock was not wasted on those who may otherwise be unable to survive the hostile conditions covering their world.

Selective Breeding is where it all began, and it gave rise to a scientific racism that created a 'racial hierarchy' around, as far as Humans can tell, eye color. Grey eyed Kaminoans at the top, followed by blue eyed, with the Green eyed population slated for extermination.

In time this disregard for the life of even their own kind gave rise to the belief that to be perfect, and do what must be done (as they so justified this genocide) the perfect being must be devoid of emotion but polite in all things. With mating bonds embodying compassion and love the Kaminoans turned to cloning to avoid such emotions.

Cloning allowed them to finally refine their gene pool- while Green eyed Kaminoans still pop up in the tubs from time to time they are terminated before maturity. The grey population is becoming more abundant but a few of the blue eyed ones are still around, being considered acceptable but delegated to lesser tasks in society.

Clones, both of their own race and of Jango Fett are monitored closely with any deviation from the template being terminated upon recognition. A clone could be schooling at a desk only for a colleague to be put down by the Oberservation ship. For Kaminoans this sort of thing changes nothing- but for the Human clones it hardens them.

So... while the Kaminoans are always polite beings they are also devoid of compassion; a deadly combination. Kaminoans give off a trustworthy air and paternal nature at times but behind it all is a cold mind. Making those segments a bit- different when one knows their society. It seems democratic- it's parliamentary in governance and the Prime Minister even says he's 'sorry' to hear of Syfodias' death... but- and well 'very happy'...

You know... the expanded universe and new canon may be wrong about Kamino.

I can understand why the expanded lore would have that type of history but- look at them- they are fish people, and - like- surely those parts about them being emotionless isn't true? If it is- they are- not as nice to be around. Like snakes really- sea serpents perhaps or maybe prior to the clone wars they were becoming more liberal? I mean- they have a prime minister and speak of emotions but- is it really a front? Something they learned from interacting with Jango? Like did they pick up on how Humans react to things by making the clones and are just being good salesmen? So many questions.

Edit:

I'm fairly certain now that they must be incorrect in some regard. Taun We, who was tasked with looking after Boba Fett when Jango was away- has been called the closest thing Boba had to a mother figure. She's naive (not even picking up on Obi-Wan's ulterior motives nor his lack of knowledge about the army) and like the Prime Minister expresses too much emotion to be 'emotionless'.

Edit: So... looking deeper yeah according to the expanded universe and new canon they are- secretively intolerant of other life forms and see themselves as superior beings. But- none of that is ever really expressed on screen. I can understand why such would be added to the lore- but would they have honestly allowed an alien to reside on their world let alone be open to business with anyone if they where xenophobic? Somehow- something just- isn't fitting together.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

A bit of a random Star Wars Lore tid-bit.

Kaminoans; the makers of the Clone Army- see in Ultraviolent light. The halls look all clinical white but it's actually vibrantly colored.

Meaning clone armor, which they manufactured, actually has patterns we Humans can't see.

Also- Kaminoans are dark- past wise and socially. Their world use to not be covered in water, but their ice caps melted flooding most of the surface forcing the surviving population into cities built on mountain tops or deep below the ocean. In this environment and with scarce resources they became focused on ensuring that only the best survived- that genetic stock was not wasted on those who may otherwise be unable to survive the hostile conditions covering their world.

Selective Breeding is where it all began, and it gave rise to a scientific racism that created a 'racial hierarchy' around, as far as Humans can tell, eye color. Grey eyed Kaminoans at the top, followed by blue eyed, with the Green eyed population slated for extermination.

In time this disregard for the life of even their own kind gave rise to the belief that to be perfect, and do what must be done (as they so justified this genocide) the perfect being must be devoid of emotion but polite in all things. With mating bonds embodying compassion and love the Kaminoans turned to cloning to avoid such emotions.

Cloning allowed them to finally refine their gene pool- while Green eyed Kaminoans still pop up in the tubs from time to time they are terminated before maturity. The grey population is becoming more abundant but a few of the blue eyed ones are still around, being considered acceptable but delegated to lesser tasks in society.

Clones, both of their own race and of Jango Fett are monitored closely with any deviation from the template being terminated upon recognition. A clone could be schooling at a desk only for a colleague to be put down by the Oberservation ship. For Kaminoans this sort of thing changes nothing- but for the Human clones it hardens them.

So... while the Kaminoans are always polite beings they are also devoid of compassion; a deadly combination. Kaminoans give off a trustworthy air and paternal nature at times but behind it all is a cold mind. Making those segments a bit- different when one knows their society. It seems democratic- it's parliamentary in governance and the Prime Minister even says he's 'sorry' to hear of Syfodias' death... but- and well 'very happy'...

You know... the expanded universe and new canon may be wrong about Kamino.

I can understand why the expanded lore would have that type of history but- look at them- they are fish people, and - like- surely those parts about them being emotionless isn't true? If it is- they are- not as nice to be around. Like snakes really- sea serpents perhaps or maybe prior to the clone wars they were becoming more liberal? I mean- they have a prime minister and speak of emotions but- is it really a front? Something they learned from interacting with Jango? Like did they pick up on how Humans react to things by making the clones and are just being good salesmen? So many questions.

Edit:

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I'm fairly certain now that they must be incorrect in some regard. Taun We, who was tasked with looking after Boba Fett when Jango was away- has been called the closest thing Boba had to a mother figure. She's naive (not even picking up on Obi-Wan's ulterior motives nor his lack of knowledge about the army) and like the Prime Minister expresses too much emotion to be 'emotionless'.

Edit: So... looking deeper yeah according to the expanded universe and new canon they are- secretively intolerant of other life forms and see themselves as superior beings. But- none of that is ever really expressed on screen. I can understand why such would be added to the lore- but would they have honestly allowed an alien to reside on their world let alone be open to business with anyone if they where xenophobic? Somehow- something just- isn't fitting together.

A curious point raised you have...

Its not too difficult to reconcile their xenophobia and inter-species business dealings - I believe the ice cap collapse was the origin for instilling in them a hard-wired pragmatism - which in their case was expressed through survival of the fittest. I don't understand how Green and Blue eyes are considered inferior to Grey (is it culture or a signifier of genetic potential?) but I assume they have their own internally consensus regarding that, they may consider themselves superior to others but they're no fools who shun outside trade, since they understand how that benefits their economy and reputation as top class providers of cloning technology.

You could say they're show-offing how much more sophisticated they are than others.

[Harbertia]

A bit of a random Star Wars Lore tid-bit.

Kaminoans; the makers of the Clone Army- see in Ultraviolent light. The halls look all clinical white but it's actually vibrantly colored.

Meaning clone armor, which they manufactured, actually has patterns we Humans can't see.

Also- Kaminoans are dark- past wise and socially. Their world use to not be covered in water, but their ice caps melted flooding most of the surface forcing the surviving population into cities built on mountain tops or deep below the ocean. In this environment and with scarce resources they became focused on ensuring that only the best survived- that genetic stock was not wasted on those who may otherwise be unable to survive the hostile conditions covering their world.

Selective Breeding is where it all began, and it gave rise to a scientific racism that created a 'racial hierarchy' around, as far as Humans can tell, eye color. Grey eyed Kaminoans at the top, followed by blue eyed, with the Green eyed population slated for extermination.

In time this disregard for the life of even their own kind gave rise to the belief that to be perfect, and do what must be done (as they so justified this genocide) the perfect being must be devoid of emotion but polite in all things. With mating bonds embodying compassion and love the Kaminoans turned to cloning to avoid such emotions.

Cloning allowed them to finally refine their gene pool- while Green eyed Kaminoans still pop up in the tubs from time to time they are terminated before maturity. The grey population is becoming more abundant but a few of the blue eyed ones are still around, being considered acceptable but delegated to lesser tasks in society.

Clones, both of their own race and of Jango Fett are monitored closely with any deviation from the template being terminated upon recognition. A clone could be schooling at a desk only for a colleague to be put down by the Oberservation ship. For Kaminoans this sort of thing changes nothing- but for the Human clones it hardens them.

So... while the Kaminoans are always polite beings they are also devoid of compassion; a deadly combination. Kaminoans give off a trustworthy air and paternal nature at times but behind it all is a cold mind. Making those segments a bit- different when one knows their society. It seems democratic- it's parliamentary in governance and the Prime Minister even says he's 'sorry' to hear of Syfodias' death... but- and well 'very happy'...

You know... the expanded universe and new canon may be wrong about Kamino.

I can understand why the expanded lore would have that type of history but- look at them- they are fish people, and - like- surely those parts about them being emotionless isn't true? If it is- they are- not as nice to be around. Like snakes really- sea serpents perhaps or maybe prior to the clone wars they were becoming more liberal? I mean- they have a prime minister and speak of emotions but- is it really a front? Something they learned from interacting with Jango? Like did they pick up on how Humans react to things by making the clones and are just being good salesmen? So many questions.

Edit:

(Image)
I'm fairly certain now that they must be incorrect in some regard. Taun We, who was tasked with looking after Boba Fett when Jango was away- has been called the closest thing Boba had to a mother figure. She's naive (not even picking up on Obi-Wan's ulterior motives nor his lack of knowledge about the army) and like the Prime Minister expresses too much emotion to be 'emotionless'.

Edit: So... looking deeper yeah according to the expanded universe and new canon they are- secretively intolerant of other life forms and see themselves as superior beings. But- none of that is ever really expressed on screen. I can understand why such would be added to the lore- but would they have honestly allowed an alien to reside on their world let alone be open to business with anyone if they where xenophobic? Somehow- something just- isn't fitting together.

A curious point raised you have...

Its not too difficult to reconcile their xenophobia and inter-species business dealings - I believe the ice cap collapse was the origin for instilling in them a hard-wired pragmatism - which in their case was expressed through survival of the fittest. I don't understand how Green and Blue eyes are considered inferior to Grey (is it culture or a signifier of genetic potential?) but I assume they have their own internally consensus regarding that, they may consider themselves superior to others but they're no fools who shun outside trade, since they understand how that benefits their economy and reputation as top class providers of cloning technology.

You could say they're show-offing how much more sophisticated they are than others.

I can see that

As for the eyes... apparently those with Green Eyes are more prone to deviancy- their mentalities can not be predicted and thus they can not fit a desired role in society. They are like the- oh what was it called- that film with the post apocalyptic society where children where assigned a house that delt with a specific part of society; administration, agriculture, security, etc. The Green Eyed ones can not be 'settled' in a role and apparently turn out being criminal and murderous or otherwise causing concerns of social collapse. In nature, as in before their society shifted to a controled gene pool- these individuals would have been great risk takers, innovators, and a force of social change- but Kaminoan society is too rigid to allow them. They are too violent to coexist in the harmonious society the Kaminoans have built over the centuries.

Edit: Divergent is the name of that film.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

A curious point raised you have...

Its not too difficult to reconcile their xenophobia and inter-species business dealings - I believe the ice cap collapse was the origin for instilling in them a hard-wired pragmatism - which in their case was expressed through survival of the fittest. I don't understand how Green and Blue eyes are considered inferior to Grey (is it culture or a signifier of genetic potential?) but I assume they have their own internally consensus regarding that, they may consider themselves superior to others but they're no fools who shun outside trade, since they understand how that benefits their economy and reputation as top class providers of cloning technology.

You could say they're show-offing how much more sophisticated they are than others.

I can see that

As for the eyes... apparently those with Green Eyes are more prone to deviancy- their mentalities can not be predicted and thus they can not fit a desired role in society. They are like the- oh what was it called- that film with the post apocalyptic society where children where assigned a house that delt with a specific part of society; administration, agriculture, security, etc. The Green Eyed ones can not be 'settled' in a role and apparently turn out being criminal and murderous or otherwise causing concerns of social collapse. In nature, as in before their society shifted to a controled gene pool- these individuals would have been great risk takers, innovators, and a force of social change- but Kaminoan society is too rigid to allow them. They are too violent to coexist in the harmonious society the Kaminoans have built over the centuries.

Edit: Divergent is the name of that film.

Kaminoans focus on cloning, Muuns on banking, Twileks on... being exported as slaves apparently, Bith on technical sciences, seems a lot of non-human species had a tight focus to their existence while humans really knew how to adapt by comparison.

[Harbertia]

I can see that

As for the eyes... apparently those with Green Eyes are more prone to deviancy- their mentalities can not be predicted and thus they can not fit a desired role in society. They are like the- oh what was it called- that film with the post apocalyptic society where children where assigned a house that delt with a specific part of society; administration, agriculture, security, etc. The Green Eyed ones can not be 'settled' in a role and apparently turn out being criminal and murderous or otherwise causing concerns of social collapse. In nature, as in before their society shifted to a controled gene pool- these individuals would have been great risk takers, innovators, and a force of social change- but Kaminoan society is too rigid to allow them. They are too violent to coexist in the harmonious society the Kaminoans have built over the centuries.

Edit: Divergent is the name of that film.

Kaminoans focus on cloning, Muuns on banking, Twileks on... being exported as slaves apparently, Bith on technical sciences, seems a lot of non-human species had a tight focus to their existence while humans really knew how to adapt by comparison.

Yeah... it's interesting. Like, the Duros it seems where one of the few races that actively colonized (next to the Neimodians) other worlds. They discovered Hyperspace the Duros. Humans- well- apparently did the most colonization. Naboo for example was home of the Gungans when Humans arrived. The colonial conflicts of that time is why Boss Nass (head of the Gungans) state that they do not care about the Naboo. Additionally Humans where enslaved at one point by the old Sith Empire and as slaves thier population spread to many worlds. When the Sith went extinct Humans on those world simply became the most populous species. Due to being on so many worlds they happened to become the most diverse where others found their planets becoming specialized in the galactic community. A bit like Banna Republics- states that focus on one export... a flawed system but that's what years of 'Galactification' will do to a nation.

[Kylantha]

Hmmm. I just realized now how many of the alien species I create are either culturally or biologically bound to a certain characteristic.

There are only two I can think of that I've made fairly versatile, despite having a single specific product or characteristic.

[Danceria]

Dooku as a political being with connections to the Force?
If I may add, perhaps this would be an excellent opportunity for some rag-tag criminals (the players) to fight against the plot armor of the Jedi and Sith.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

I saw myself on TV in a news report, except he was a child, he seemed so happy but then a voiceover talked about his murder and I heard him crying, it was disturbingly familiar because it was my own.

Hmmm. I just realized now how many of the alien species I create are either culturally or biologically bound to a certain characteristic.

There are only two I can think of that I've made fairly versatile, despite having a single specific product or characteristic.

One of whom are humans I presume?

Humans are special. Humans are superior. Humans are the very best

But totally not like cockroaches that get everywhere and always survive everything short of a nuclear holocaust. Even if Star Wars seems to suggest that spreading numbers and surviving is indeed their main speciality. Or... what if it is...

Dooku as a political being with connections to the Force?
If I may add, perhaps this would be an excellent opportunity for some rag-tag criminals (the players) to fight against the plot armor of the Jedi and Sith.

You know... you could make a parallel between Count Dooku becoming Darth Tyranus and Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader.

The film's don't really flesh out Dooku but in context of the Clone Wars we get a picture of like Anakin, Dooku too was a fallen hero.

He was after all Yoda's last padawan before Luke - an idealist who became disappointed with the Senate's corruption and the Jedi Order becoming political lackeys and so he sought to bring about change for the better because he cared. Like Anakin he was approached by Palpatine and successfully brought over to the Dark Side, Dooku thought he could use its power to become stronger for the sake of his dream but as the Clone Wars raged on, he became more cruel and ruthless, losing sight of his original aim in favor to the Sith Grand Plan (Anakin too moved closer to the Dark Side thanks to the war). By then Count Dooku was gone, he was now Darth Tyranus.

His final battle against Anakin in RotS seems to deliberately mirror and contrast to Vader vs Luke in RotJ - Anakin defeats the Sith Lord but unlike his future son gives in to his hate and kills him (unlike how Luke spared Vader) and eventually accepts taking his place (unlike how Luke rejected Palpatine's offer).

[Harbertia]

You know... you could make a parallel between Count Dooku becoming Darth Tyranus and Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader.

The film's don't really flesh out Dooku but in context of the Clone Wars we get a picture of like Anakin, Dooku too was a fallen hero.

He was after all Yoda's last padawan before Luke - an idealist who became disappointed with the Senate's corruption and the Jedi Order becoming political lackeys and so he sought to bring about change for the better because he cared. Like Anakin he was approached by Palpatine and successfully brought over to the Dark Side, Dooku thought he could use its power to become stronger for the sake of his dream but as the Clone Wars raged on, he became more cruel and ruthless, losing sight of his original aim in favor to the Sith Grand Plan (Anakin too moved closer to the Dark Side thanks to the war). By then Count Dooku was gone, he was now Darth Tyranus.

His final battle against Anakin in RotS seems to deliberately mirror and contrast to Vader vs Luke in RotJ - Anakin defeats the Sith Lord but unlike his future son gives in to his hate and kills him (unlike how Luke spared Vader) and eventually accepts taking his place (unlike how Luke rejected Palpatine's offer).

I didn't even notice that! That's amazing!

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

You know... you could make a parallel between Count Dooku becoming Darth Tyranus and Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader.

The film's don't really flesh out Dooku but in context of the Clone Wars we get a picture of like Anakin, Dooku too was a fallen hero.

He was after all Yoda's last padawan before Luke - an idealist who became disappointed with the Senate's corruption and the Jedi Order becoming political lackeys and so he sought to bring about change for the better because he cared. Like Anakin he was approached by Palpatine and successfully brought over to the Dark Side, Dooku thought he could use its power to become stronger for the sake of his dream but as the Clone Wars raged on, he became more cruel and ruthless, losing sight of his original aim in favor to the Sith Grand Plan (Anakin too moved closer to the Dark Side thanks to the war). By then Count Dooku was gone, he was now Darth Tyranus.

His final battle against Anakin in RotS seems to deliberately mirror and contrast to Vader vs Luke in RotJ - Anakin defeats the Sith Lord but unlike his future son gives in to his hate and kills him (unlike how Luke spared Vader) and eventually accepts taking his place (unlike how Luke rejected Palpatine's offer).

I didn't even notice that! That's amazing!

George Lucas did say the two trilogies were meant to rhyme but this dichotomy wasn't obvious to notice from the films alone (except Anakin vs Tyranus at the start of RotS being the reverse of Luke vs Vader at the end of RotJ) and I came to better appreciate Dooku's character from the Clone Wars and realised he was a marker of how Anakin would turn out from his disappointment in the Jedi. Dooku who like Anakin was one of the Jedi's best became a tragic pawn of Palpatine when they lost faith in their institution, only Dooku's story ended with no redemption, only a realisation of the truth in his final moments, then he was simply killed after outliving his usefulness.

[Harbertia]

I didn't even notice that! That's amazing!

George Lucas did say the two trilogies were meant to rhyme but this dichotomy wasn't obvious to notice from the films alone (except Anakin vs Tyranus at the start of RotS being the reverse of Luke vs Vader at the end of RotJ) and I came to better appreciate Dooku's character from the Clone Wars and realised he was a marker of how Anakin would turn out from his disappointment in the Jedi. Dooku who like Anakin was one of the Jedi's best became a tragic pawn of Palpatine when they lost faith in their institution, only Dooku's story ended with no redemption, only a realisation of the truth in his final moments, then he was simply killed after outliving his usefulness.

Aye, the expanded canon doesn't do Dooku justice- the Clone Wars cartoons for example (the old and new) and even comics that where licensed- they tend to forget that Dooku's plan was to betray Sidious- to destroy the Sith. When they do remember it seems to be only briefly and they try to fill in holes that don't exist. They even try to have Dooku planning to be part of the Empire when that's not the case, he was just 'playing the pawn' to strike when ready and Palpatine knew that- part of why he had Anikan kill Dooku.

I'm still not pleased with the treatment of the Clone Wars by expanded material- it's suppose to be two sides with understandable aims pitted against each other by one man so he could rise to power. Neither was suppose to be villified in the whole- both where to be manipulated thinking themselves in the right. An example of say 'good men being pitted against each other and corrupted by a master of puppets'. Mace turned to the dark side, Anikan turned to the dark side, and Dooku began with a quest to destroy the Sith.

Even episode 3 seems to have forgotten that Nute Gunray told the Senate about the Dark Lord, and came to Dooku for help having had enough of Sidious after the events of Naboo- instead by the prequel trilogy's end George suddenly has Nute in on it the whole time "Lord Sidious, he promised us, we'd be the only-" I mean- really he already knew he couldn't trust Sidious - and was through with him "This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!" "We should have never made this bargain."

That's the only issue I have with episode 3 is that scene. Both sides where pawns of the Dark Lord. But rather then allow the Clone Wars to be a horrible war that left the galaxy scared and tired of conflict and thus ready to accept the New Order to end it's suffering and to rise form the lost idealism of an age when people had high ideals- it just isn't shown like that often. Palpatine needed faith in democracy to fall, needed an environment to be made Emperor, and conditions where his order would be welcomed- rebuilding economies, bringing law to lawless lands, and giving the galaxy someone to blame rather then themselves- the Jedi who according to Palpatine where the one's planning to take over the Republic with the attempted assassination being proof of this (along with Dooku's ties to the Jedi Order).

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

George Lucas did say the two trilogies were meant to rhyme but this dichotomy wasn't obvious to notice from the films alone (except Anakin vs Tyranus at the start of RotS being the reverse of Luke vs Vader at the end of RotJ) and I came to better appreciate Dooku's character from the Clone Wars and realised he was a marker of how Anakin would turn out from his disappointment in the Jedi. Dooku who like Anakin was one of the Jedi's best became a tragic pawn of Palpatine when they lost faith in their institution, only Dooku's story ended with no redemption, only a realisation of the truth in his final moments, then he was simply killed after outliving his usefulness.

Aye, the expanded canon doesn't do Dooku justice- the Clone Wars cartoons for example (the old and new) and even comics that where licensed- they tend to forget that Dooku's plan was to betray Sidious- to destroy the Sith. When they do remember it seems to be only briefly and they try to fill in holes that don't exist. They even try to have Dooku planning to be part of the Empire when that's not the case, he was just 'playing the pawn' to strike when ready and Palpatine knew that- part of why he had Anikan kill Dooku.

I'm still not pleased with the treatment of the Clone Wars by expanded material- it's suppose to be two sides with understandable aims pitted against each other by one man so he could rise to power. Neither was suppose to be villified in the whole- both where to be manipulated thinking themselves in the right. An example of say 'good men being pitted against each other and corrupted by a master of puppets'. Mace turned to the dark side, Anikan turned to the dark side, and Dooku began with a quest to destroy the Sith.

Even episode 3 seems to have forgotten that Nute Gunray told the Senate about the Dark Lord, and came to Dooku for help having had enough of Sidious after the events of Naboo- instead by the prequel trilogy's end George suddenly has Nute in on it the whole time "Lord Sidious, he promised us, we'd be the only-" I mean- really he already knew he couldn't trust Sidious - and was through with him "This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!" "We should have never made this bargain."

That's the only issue I have with episode 3 is that scene. Both sides where pawns of the Dark Lord. But rather then allow the Clone Wars to be a horrible war that left the galaxy scared and tired of conflict and thus ready to accept the New Order to end it's suffering and to rise form the lost idealism of an age when people had high ideals- it just isn't shown like that often. Palpatine needed faith in democracy to fall, needed an environment to be made Emperor, and conditions where his order would be welcomed- rebuilding economies, bringing law to lawless lands, and giving the galaxy someone to blame rather then themselves- the Jedi who according to Palpatine where the one's planning to take over the Republic with the attempted assassination being proof of this (along with Dooku's ties to the Jedi Order).

You summarise it sufficiently.

One could say the Prequels were Palpatine's trilogy, the devil in sheeps clothing as he creates a war playing off both sides and ending up as victor as well as pressing the Jedi's Chosen One into his service, one hell of a decisive victory there. Its quite something that he was effectively elected into dictatorship through emergency powers. Making the galaxy see Jedi was warmongers and tired of corruption from a failing democracy.

While the original trilogy is about a hero rising and finding hope and idealism, the prequels are about heroes falling and the loss of idealism with just a bittersweet tinge that a better future may yet come.

The Rebel Alliance comprised of among Republic restorationists remnants of the CIS (whose majority had always been non-humans) meaning a bulk of support from the disenfranchised middle and outer rim systems. This would seem to indicate that faith in democratic ideals ended up resurging - was it in spite of the Clone Wars where democracy failed or just as how the Republic's corruption spawned the Clone Wars so did Palpatine's radical autocracy cause the Rebellion.

[Harbertia]

Aye, the expanded canon doesn't do Dooku justice- the Clone Wars cartoons for example (the old and new) and even comics that where licensed- they tend to forget that Dooku's plan was to betray Sidious- to destroy the Sith. When they do remember it seems to be only briefly and they try to fill in holes that don't exist. They even try to have Dooku planning to be part of the Empire when that's not the case, he was just 'playing the pawn' to strike when ready and Palpatine knew that- part of why he had Anikan kill Dooku.

I'm still not pleased with the treatment of the Clone Wars by expanded material- it's suppose to be two sides with understandable aims pitted against each other by one man so he could rise to power. Neither was suppose to be villified in the whole- both where to be manipulated thinking themselves in the right. An example of say 'good men being pitted against each other and corrupted by a master of puppets'. Mace turned to the dark side, Anikan turned to the dark side, and Dooku began with a quest to destroy the Sith.

Even episode 3 seems to have forgotten that Nute Gunray told the Senate about the Dark Lord, and came to Dooku for help having had enough of Sidious after the events of Naboo- instead by the prequel trilogy's end George suddenly has Nute in on it the whole time "Lord Sidious, he promised us, we'd be the only-" I mean- really he already knew he couldn't trust Sidious - and was through with him "This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!" "We should have never made this bargain."

That's the only issue I have with episode 3 is that scene. Both sides where pawns of the Dark Lord. But rather then allow the Clone Wars to be a horrible war that left the galaxy scared and tired of conflict and thus ready to accept the New Order to end it's suffering and to rise form the lost idealism of an age when people had high ideals- it just isn't shown like that often. Palpatine needed faith in democracy to fall, needed an environment to be made Emperor, and conditions where his order would be welcomed- rebuilding economies, bringing law to lawless lands, and giving the galaxy someone to blame rather then themselves- the Jedi who according to Palpatine where the one's planning to take over the Republic with the attempted assassination being proof of this (along with Dooku's ties to the Jedi Order).

You summarise it sufficiently.

One could say the Prequels were Palpatine's trilogy, the devil in sheeps clothing as he creates a war playing off both sides and ending up as victor as well as pressing the Jedi's Chosen One into his service, one hell of a decisive victory there. Its quite something that he was effectively elected into dictatorship through emergency powers. Making the galaxy see Jedi was warmongers and tired of corruption from a failing democracy.

While the original trilogy is about a hero rising and finding hope and idealism, the prequels are about heroes falling and the loss of idealism with just a bittersweet tinge that a better future may yet come.

The Rebel Alliance comprised of among Republic restorationists remnants of the CIS (whose majority had always been non-humans) meaning a bulk of support from the disenfranchised middle and outer rim systems. This would seem to indicate that faith in democratic ideals ended up resurging - was it in spite of the Clone Wars where democracy failed or just as how the Republic's corruption spawned the Clone Wars so did Palpatine's radical autocracy cause the Rebellion.

That assessment regarding the Rebel Alliance has sparked a grin upon my face. As to has your word on the 'mirror' of the trilogies. Yes I feel as you do and you have summed it up very well.

I'd say that the rebellion was forged from various factors- that no single factor played a role. The Empire's civilian policies are not 'clearly stated' in the films. For example; can civilians own blasters? Do they have freedom to worship as they please? etc. This is because by Episode 4 Imperial Governors where given legislative control over their regions of the Galaxy- meaning that laws differed from zone to zone.

A hardly talked about decentralization in the films.

The Senate had apparently gotten enough power to interfere in Imperial action; for example Episode 4 has three mentions of the Imperial Senate and each regards it's power to act against the military/executive at least.

So- it's a bit- odd really. Palpatine apparently has Absolute Power by the end of Episode 3 but by Episode 4 the Senate can and has been acting against Imperial actions and had to be dissolved. Film wise it's- something I just noticed.

Mention One

Mention 2 (sortly after the above scene) "Holding her is dangerous, when word of this gets out it could generate sympathy for the rebellion in the senate."

Mention Two

So... Palpatine's powers faded a bit once the Republic official reformed into the Empire after adopting the Imperial Charter? I guess.

[Danceria]

More likely it was a relaxation in power and policy. One man cannot simply run an entire galaxy. Even during Palp's declaration of "We Empire Nao, Jedi suck get out ree", it is more of a popular monarchy. He practically had the Republic, and the Senate, eating out of his hand. From the Vote of No Confidence that ousted Valorum, to the granting of emergency powers, to assuming direct control of the Banking Clan near the end of the Clone Wars, Palpatine has slowly been gathering power and influence to make him being Emperor seem like a natural transition of power.

Sure he may have ungodly executive power, but there are only so many hours in a day, and so many piles of paperwork to go through. The Senate would exist as it always did, a gaggle of corrupt oligarchs that occasionally pass legislature and only nominally represent the views of their planets. Said oligarchs having influence on the economy of the galaxy, and influence in general.

With the establishment of the Moff system, it allowed for actual jobs being done, the senators no longer represented their planets, but rather sectors that had to keep up with the militarization of the Empire. This was why Palpatine eventually dissolved the Senate and made the Moffs diet emperors of their sectors reporting directly to him. Sooner or later, the Senator would act with the interests of the people, not the Empire. The Moffs would at least be sympathetic to the Emperor, having to deal with the rusted beuacracy of the millennia old Senate. Ironically, it would be seen as hip and cool, a new form of government never before attempted, one where you can petition directly to the Emperor without relying on the Senator and Votes.

This also allowed for things like the Warlords to occur after Palpatine died, each sector was essentially a fortress to be conquered, mobilized to defend the interests of the Moff and their underlings. Ironically, the centralization and nationalization of the New Order would lead to the New Republic's greatest hurdle: well mobilized and decentralized sectors that could oppose you on multiple fronts rather than one big bad to rally against.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

You summarise it sufficiently.

One could say the Prequels were Palpatine's trilogy, the devil in sheeps clothing as he creates a war playing off both sides and ending up as victor as well as pressing the Jedi's Chosen One into his service, one hell of a decisive victory there. Its quite something that he was effectively elected into dictatorship through emergency powers. Making the galaxy see Jedi was warmongers and tired of corruption from a failing democracy.

While the original trilogy is about a hero rising and finding hope and idealism, the prequels are about heroes falling and the loss of idealism with just a bittersweet tinge that a better future may yet come.

The Rebel Alliance comprised of among Republic restorationists remnants of the CIS (whose majority had always been non-humans) meaning a bulk of support from the disenfranchised middle and outer rim systems. This would seem to indicate that faith in democratic ideals ended up resurging - was it in spite of the Clone Wars where democracy failed or just as how the Republic's corruption spawned the Clone Wars so did Palpatine's radical autocracy cause the Rebellion.

That assessment regarding the Rebel Alliance has sparked a grin upon my face. As to has your word on the 'mirror' of the trilogies. Yes I feel as you do and you have summed it up very well.

I'd say that the rebellion was forged from various factors- that no single factor played a role. The Empire's civilian policies are not 'clearly stated' in the films. For example; can civilians own blasters? Do they have freedom to worship as they please? etc. This is because by Episode 4 Imperial Governors where given legislative control over their regions of the Galaxy- meaning that laws differed from zone to zone.

A hardly talked about decentralization in the films.

The Senate had apparently gotten enough power to interfere in Imperial action; for example Episode 4 has three mentions of the Imperial Senate and each regards it's power to act against the military/executive at least.

So- it's a bit- odd really. Palpatine apparently has Absolute Power by the end of Episode 3 but by Episode 4 the Senate can and has been acting against Imperial actions and had to be dissolved. Film wise it's- something I just noticed.

Mention One

Mention 2 (sortly after the above scene) "Holding her is dangerous, when word of this gets out it could generate sympathy for the rebellion in the senate."

Mention Two

So... Palpatine's powers faded a bit once the Republic official reformed into the Empire after adopting the Imperial Charter? I guess.

Yes he obtained absolute power but it was just the start - he couldn't directly practice it over an entire galaxy with immediate effect - he likely needed time (almost two decades) to establish the new Moff system of governance to be a practical replacement and until then pretty much had to put up with the senate and used Vader as an enforcer of his will. The Imperial Senate was very much as Tarkin put it a ''relic of the old republic'' that was sitting on borrowed time.

As for the Empire's policies it seems one consistent factor under all Moffs reporting to the Emperor was Humanocentrism - however some specialist species like Muuns with their abilities in banking were kept around in relevant roles. There was also the Empire's only non-human Grand Admiral which was Thrawn due to his sheer military brilliance that made him an asset to the Emperor.

Of course these were exceptions - granted to non-humans who devoted themselves directly and wholly to the Emperor. Or in other cases loyalty to a senior Moff like Tarkin. Human High Culture remained the central and predominant tenet of the Empire that treated non-humans as 2nd class citizens or outright slaves with no rights at all.

The article linked above seems to suggest that while Palpatine whose homeworld was Naboo was early on exposed to the tensions between its human inhabitants and native species (those infamous Gungans) and thus to some level ingrained with a Humanocentrist viewpoint, as a Sith Lord he was tutored by a Muun and his first apprentice was a Zabrak, both of whom were humanoids granted but it would suggest he was at the very least pragmatic in prioritising power over cultural bias. It goes on to suggest that Human High Culture was a tool to better consolidate his power (it did unite humans together at the expense of non-humans).

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Are you familiar with the Mortis arc in the Clone Wars?

Its sheds some interesting light on Anakin's role as the Chosen One when we meet three mysterious beings that may be Celestial precurosors or even manifestations of aspects of the Force itself: The Father (Order), the Son (Darkness) and the Daughter (Light). Apparently there was also a fourth called the Mother (Chaos) in the Legends continuity who was once a mortal.

Anakin is told he must take the Father's place after successfully taming both the Son and Daughter to literally keep the Force in balance but of course he refuses though does inadvertently bring balance through the destruction of the Jedi and eventually Sith. Before Anakin arrived it is curious that the Father was performing a similar role in keeping his children under control, for if allowed the freedom to leave Mortis they would pose a threat to the entire galaxy. So in a sense he was keeping the Force in balance but for whatever reason couldn't continue doing it indefinitely (seems he was susceptible to ageing) and Anakin was supposed to take his place. Which in a sense he eventually did.

More likely it was a relaxation in power and policy. One man cannot simply run an entire galaxy. Even during Palp's declaration of "We Empire Nao, Jedi suck get out ree", it is more of a popular monarchy. He practically had the Republic, and the Senate, eating out of his hand. From the Vote of No Confidence that ousted Valorum, to the granting of emergency powers, to assuming direct control of the Banking Clan near the end of the Clone Wars, Palpatine has slowly been gathering power and influence to make him being Emperor seem like a natural transition of power.

Sure he may have ungodly executive power, but there are only so many hours in a day, and so many piles of paperwork to go through. The Senate would exist as it always did, a gaggle of corrupt oligarchs that occasionally pass legislature and only nominally represent the views of their planets. Said oligarchs having influence on the economy of the galaxy, and influence in general.

With the establishment of the Moff system, it allowed for actual jobs being done, the senators no longer represented their planets, but rather sectors that had to keep up with the militarization of the Empire. This was why Palpatine eventually dissolved the Senate and made the Moffs diet emperors of their sectors reporting directly to him. Sooner or later, the Senator would act with the interests of the people, not the Empire. The Moffs would at least be sympathetic to the Emperor, having to deal with the rusted beuacracy of the millennia old Senate. Ironically, it would be seen as hip and cool, a new form of government never before attempted, one where you can petition directly to the Emperor without relying on the Senator and Votes.

This also allowed for things like the Warlords to occur after Palpatine died, each sector was essentially a fortress to be conquered, mobilized to defend the interests of the Moff and their underlings. Ironically, the centralization and nationalization of the New Order would lead to the New Republic's greatest hurdle: well mobilized and decentralized sectors that could oppose you on multiple fronts rather than one big bad to rally against.

Its funny to imagine Emperor Palpatine, Dark Lord of the Sith, the man who divided and reunited an entire galaxy under his name being preoccupied with something as trivial as paperwork. Great power coming with great (and probably heavy) responsibility.

As for the First Order they did learn from the Empire's mistakes but also repeated having a single symbol of fear and destruction - that being the evolution of the Death Star into Starkiller Base, conveniently located in one place which meant its own destruction was inevitable.

[Harbertia]

That assessment regarding the Rebel Alliance has sparked a grin upon my face. As to has your word on the 'mirror' of the trilogies. Yes I feel as you do and you have summed it up very well.

I'd say that the rebellion was forged from various factors- that no single factor played a role. The Empire's civilian policies are not 'clearly stated' in the films. For example; can civilians own blasters? Do they have freedom to worship as they please? etc. This is because by Episode 4 Imperial Governors where given legislative control over their regions of the Galaxy- meaning that laws differed from zone to zone.

A hardly talked about decentralization in the films.

The Senate had apparently gotten enough power to interfere in Imperial action; for example Episode 4 has three mentions of the Imperial Senate and each regards it's power to act against the military/executive at least.

So- it's a bit- odd really. Palpatine apparently has Absolute Power by the end of Episode 3 but by Episode 4 the Senate can and has been acting against Imperial actions and had to be dissolved. Film wise it's- something I just noticed.

Mention One

Mention 2 (sortly after the above scene) "Holding her is dangerous, when word of this gets out it could generate sympathy for the rebellion in the senate."

Mention Two

So... Palpatine's powers faded a bit once the Republic official reformed into the Empire after adopting the Imperial Charter? I guess.

Yes he obtained absolute power but it was just the start - he couldn't directly practice it over an entire galaxy with immediate effect - he likely needed time (almost two decades) to establish the new Moff system of governance to be a practical replacement and until then pretty much had to put up with the senate and used Vader as an enforcer of his will. The Imperial Senate was very much as Tarkin put it a ''relic of the old republic'' that was sitting on borrowed time.

As for the Empire's policies it seems one consistent factor under all Moffs reporting to the Emperor was Humanocentrism - however some specialist species like Muuns with their abilities in banking were kept around in relevant roles. There was also the Empire's only non-human Grand Admiral which was Thrawn due to his sheer military brilliance that made him an asset to the Emperor.

Of course these were exceptions - granted to non-humans who devoted themselves directly and wholly to the Emperor. Or in other cases loyalty to a senior Moff like Tarkin. Human High Culture remained the central and predominant tenet of the Empire that treated non-humans as 2nd class citizens or outright slaves with no rights at all.

The article linked above seems to suggest that while Palpatine whose homeworld was Naboo was early on exposed to the tensions between its human inhabitants and native species (those infamous Gungans) and thus to some level ingrained with a Humanocentrist viewpoint, as a Sith Lord he was tutored by a Muun and his first apprentice was a Zabrak, both of whom were humanoids granted but it would suggest he was at the very least pragmatic in prioritising power over cultural bias. It goes on to suggest that Human High Culture was a tool to better consolidate his power (it did unite humans together at the expense of non-humans).

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Are you familiar with the Mortis arc in the Clone Wars?

Its sheds some interesting light on Anakin's role as the Chosen One when we meet three mysterious beings that may be Celestial precurosors or even manifestations of aspects of the Force itself: The Father (Order), the Son (Darkness) and the Daughter (Light). Apparently there was also a fourth called the Mother (Chaos) in the Legends continuity who was once a mortal.

Anakin is told he must take the Father's place after successfully taming both the Son and Daughter to literally keep the Force in balance but of course he refuses though does inadvertently bring balance through the destruction of the Jedi and eventually Sith. Before Anakin arrived it is curious that the Father was performing a similar role in keeping his children under control, for if allowed the freedom to leave Mortis they would pose a threat to the entire galaxy. So in a sense he was keeping the Force in balance but for whatever reason couldn't continue doing it indefinitely (seems he was susceptible to ageing) and Anakin was supposed to take his place. Which in a sense he eventually did.

More likely it was a relaxation in power and policy. One man cannot simply run an entire galaxy. Even during Palp's declaration of "We Empire Nao, Jedi suck get out ree", it is more of a popular monarchy. He practically had the Republic, and the Senate, eating out of his hand. From the Vote of No Confidence that ousted Valorum, to the granting of emergency powers, to assuming direct control of the Banking Clan near the end of the Clone Wars, Palpatine has slowly been gathering power and influence to make him being Emperor seem like a natural transition of power.

Sure he may have ungodly executive power, but there are only so many hours in a day, and so many piles of paperwork to go through. The Senate would exist as it always did, a gaggle of corrupt oligarchs that occasionally pass legislature and only nominally represent the views of their planets. Said oligarchs having influence on the economy of the galaxy, and influence in general.

With the establishment of the Moff system, it allowed for actual jobs being done, the senators no longer represented their planets, but rather sectors that had to keep up with the militarization of the Empire. This was why Palpatine eventually dissolved the Senate and made the Moffs diet emperors of their sectors reporting directly to him. Sooner or later, the Senator would act with the interests of the people, not the Empire. The Moffs would at least be sympathetic to the Emperor, having to deal with the rusted beuacracy of the millennia old Senate. Ironically, it would be seen as hip and cool, a new form of government never before attempted, one where you can petition directly to the Emperor without relying on the Senator and Votes.

This also allowed for things like the Warlords to occur after Palpatine died, each sector was essentially a fortress to be conquered, mobilized to defend the interests of the Moff and their underlings. Ironically, the centralization and nationalization of the New Order would lead to the New Republic's greatest hurdle: well mobilized and decentralized sectors that could oppose you on multiple fronts rather than one big bad to rally against.

Its funny to imagine Emperor Palpatine, Dark Lord of the Sith, the man who divided and reunited an entire galaxy under his name being preoccupied with something as trivial as paperwork. Great power coming with great (and probably heavy) responsibility.

As for the First Order they did learn from the Empire's mistakes but also repeated having a single symbol of fear and destruction - that being the evolution of the Death Star into Starkiller Base, conveniently located in one place which meant its own destruction was inevitable.

I learned about the Mortis arc from a video on 'Aboleth' who was also a daughter of the Father but had become twisted. Though reading your summary of the events gives me more details as that video focused on her specifically rather then the grander picture.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

Dooku was exposed to the Dark Side as a Padawan when he and his best friend Lorian Nod came across a SIth holocron in the Jedi Archives. The pursuit of power and practice of ruthlessness were traits that he recognized within himself. When caught his friend betrays him by pinning the blame on Dooku even though it was Lorian who stole it. Of course he convinced the council of his innocence and Lorian is expelled but the experience of betrayal changed him - aside from instilling in him a deep seated loathing for deceit (ironic since he deceived the Seperatist Parliament) it was also probably the first among many disappointments he experienced in the Jedi Order. The death of Qui Gon Jinn seems to have been the breaking point, when you realize all this time he tried to stay faithful to the Jedi but their inability to deal with the return of the Sith prompted him to leave - at one point even attempting to hunt down the Sith Lord but learning more about the dark side in the process - just as he did as a padawan he recognized his potential for it.

I would have liked to see Dooku duel against the likes of Darth Maul or Mace Windu. Dooku did meet Maul in the Clone Wars comic but I'm kind of disappointed neither of them brought up Qui Gon.

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OM&T Speculation 101: Hey Harb, we know that Terra has a fear of winged humanoids for their resemblance to the tiste, its gotten me to wonder, how would have Terra reacted to the existence of human immortals?

[Harbertia]

Dooku was exposed to the Dark Side as a Padawan when he and his best friend Lorian Nod came across a SIth holocron in the Jedi Archives. The pursuit of power and practice of ruthlessness were traits that he recognized within himself. When caught his friend betrays him by pinning the blame on Dooku even though it was Lorian who stole it. Of course he convinced the council of his innocence and Lorian is expelled but the experience of betrayal changed him - aside from instilling in him a deep seated loathing for deceit (ironic since he deceived the Seperatist Parliament) it was also probably the first among many disappointments he experienced in the Jedi Order. The death of Qui Gon Jinn seems to have been the breaking point, when you realize all this time he tried to stay faithful to the Jedi but their inability to deal with the return of the Sith prompted him to leave - at one point even attempting to hunt down the Sith Lord but learning more about the dark side in the process - just as he did as a padawan he recognized his potential for it.

I would have liked to see Dooku duel against the likes of Darth Maul or Mace Windu. Dooku did meet Maul in the Clone Wars comic but I'm kind of disappointed neither of them brought up Qui Gon.

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OM&T Speculation 101: Hey Harb, we know that Terra has a fear of winged humanoids for their resemblance to the tiste, its gotten me to wonder, how would have Terra reacted to the existence of human immortals?

I'm not sure how she would have reacted.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

Dooku was exposed to the Dark Side as a Padawan when he and his best friend Lorian Nod came across a SIth holocron in the Jedi Archives. The pursuit of power and practice of ruthlessness were traits that he recognized within himself. When caught his friend betrays him by pinning the blame on Dooku even though it was Lorian who stole it. Of course he convinced the council of his innocence and Lorian is expelled but the experience of betrayal changed him - aside from instilling in him a deep seated loathing for deceit (ironic since he deceived the Seperatist Parliament) it was also probably the first among many disappointments he experienced in the Jedi Order. The death of Qui Gon Jinn seems to have been the breaking point, when you realize all this time he tried to stay faithful to the Jedi but their inability to deal with the return of the Sith prompted him to leave - at one point even attempting to hunt down the Sith Lord but learning more about the dark side in the process - just as he did as a padawan he recognized his potential for it.

I would have liked to see Dooku duel against the likes of Darth Maul or Mace Windu. Dooku did meet Maul in the Clone Wars comic but I'm kind of disappointed neither of them brought up Qui Gon.

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OM&T Speculation 101: Hey Harb, we know that Terra has a fear of winged humanoids for their resemblance to the tiste, its gotten me to wonder, how would have Terra reacted to the existence of human immortals?

I'm not sure how she would have reacted.

Hmm... I speculate it might be circumstantial to the individual themselves as in who they are rather than what they are.

With regards to tistes did she ever encounter Nico Asura?

[Miraaki]

I haven't been here in awhile

[Harbertia]

I'm not sure how she would have reacted.

Hmm... I speculate it might be circumstantial to the individual themselves as in who they are rather than what they are.

With regards to tistes did she ever encounter Nico Asura?

I don't think Terra did; there was Savior... that's about it and that - one winged student who after - well... hmm... the player was new to the RP series and choose the worst possible way to introduce his character.

So Terra is with her son William- ... I think you remember- it's the whole situation that started her being in the hospital and your character saving her. Yeah the guy decided to have his winged character fall from the sky and Terra tries to keep her cool but all the while she's changing while offering this guy help getting up and needless to say he was scared- she was scared- and before anyone got hurt the JSDF shows up and Terra just- sinks. No one got hurt but- still- she did not react well. I can't even remember what specifically got her into the state of needing to be hospitalized.

[Rynagria]

I haven't been here in awhile

One of NSs many Traps.

Hmm... I speculate it might be circumstantial to the individual themselves as in who they are rather than what they are.

With regards to tistes did she ever encounter Nico Asura?

I don't think Terra did; there was Savior... that's about it and that - one winged student who after - well... hmm... the player was new to the RP series and choose the worst possible way to introduce his character.

So Terra is with her son William- ... I think you remember- it's the whole situation that started her being in the hospital and your character saving her. Yeah the guy decided to have his winged character fall from the sky and Terra tries to keep her cool but all the while she's changing while offering this guy help getting up and needless to say he was scared- she was scared- and before anyone got hurt the JSDF shows up and Terra just- sinks. No one got hurt but- still- she did not react well. I can't even remember what specifically got her into the state of needing to be hospitalized.

She passed out I think, Hiro had the officers bring her to the hospital I think.

[Miraaki]

I haven't been on NS in like.... fuck, maybe a year now?

[Harbertia]

Turns out that student was Nico.

Shortly after the dark red haired woman asked her question a heavy breathing young man whom appeared to be at the age of twelve fell out of the sky and landed on his knees covered by nothing but jean fabric. His falcon wings twitching in focused fatigue trying to press on and continue flying as he wasn't sure if he was at the academy. "Gah, too tired to go on..." He said to himself as he fell backwards on his wings on the hardened floor of the outside world and noticed a group of people nearby at the edge of his vision staring at him.

"Need to keep going..." he soon said again before spinning himself around on the ground and his arms twitched as he tried to get back up.

Terra was stunned, taking a step back she wasn't sure if she should bow, help, or- her body was froze in uncertainty, one hand close to her mouth, and another upon William, her eyes were wide with some sense of fear as she started to shake a bit. Her pupils had grown small.

"Nope, not getting back up...going down again" Nico whimpered as he soon plopped face down on the concrete and the metal guard of his katana smacked the back of his blonde hair covered head. 'Go find the Academy she said, You'll get some training she said, If you need help someone will help you she said, none of that happened yet along with the fact that I'm hungry and I am tired...' He thought to himself as he turned around again. The sky above him looked so serene and splattered with pure white clouds that reminded him of the dove wings of his mother.

He opened his mouth and yawned, showing his sharp canine teeth in a pale yellow tint. His breathing felt heavy, knowing that he spent his fifteen minutes in the sky yet he decided to push forward and didn't like not being able to fly as long as his mother did.

Terra had stopped shaking, and exhaled deeply. She hadn't realized the bits of sweat that had started to comedown her face. She was releaved. She gently let go of William, took another breath, and looked over at Eiko before looking back at the boy who sputtered upon the ground. In haling, and exhale once with her eyes closed she, approached. She thought she was over it, yet as she moved forward, her neck began to get an odd sensation, as if hands had been pressed upon the back of her neck. Like some unseen pressure was upon it. she was comfortable with this. She started to feel some odd emptiness inside her, as if she where in need of sustenance. She had paused trying to settle her mind, she started to worry about what William may be thinking. "Eh..." she inhaled again, not sure how to continuing. She felt, empty, and it seemed to her that she was burning beneath her skin. She slowly let out this whimpering sound, the kind some deprived puppy would make as she frowned, looking slightly towards, and away from the lad upon the ground..

Nico noticed a dark red piece of hair out of the bottom corner of his eye and he looked up to find a dark red haired woman approach him. The woman's soul, a round shape like most souls appeared to be shrinking in size indicating that she was fearful probably of him and made a whimpering sound, much like a puppy dissatisfied of what she discovered. "Um hi there would you mind if you could help me up?" he inquired, twitching to somehow get back on his two feet and find the Academy so he could attend classes.

It didn't appear that the woman would be inclined to help judging from how small her soul appeared to be and the small whimpering sounds she made through her throat.

Terra looked at him with a worried look, as she slowly brought her hand from her chest, where it had been moved as she had looked aside from him, towards him. She seemed to be getting more comfortable, though she shook a bit, only slightly so. The feeling inside was somewhat diminishing, yet, still remained. She, didn't even feel it was her moving. Thus was her nature to help. Her spirit it seemed, was still retreating. The small hairs of her body seemed to stand, to thicken, and her ears began to move upward. Her eyes were an odd turquoise, as her hand came close to him. She, tried to fringe a smile, which only seemed to make what ever was happening more obvious as it revealed a canine tooth; "I, help, can?" she smiled at the oddness of her words.

"Thank you" Nico said with a polite smile and let his hand touch hers, giving her a tiny static shock before letting it subside then pushed himself off the ground but landed clumsily back on his feet. It was obvious that the woman was scared but he was glad that she wasn't scared enough to not help him and plain go about her day. "I don't know if I am asking too much of you but do you happen to know where I could find a Kyoto Guardian Academy?" He inquired, looking at the woman's strange turquoise eyes and found the pair of eyes wider than dinner plates at the local diner when he lived in Virginia.

William and Eiko
"Ma-.......... Mama, is something wrong?" Asked William with concern, seeing the minor changes of details in Terra's features, his eyes glued to Terra's. On the other hand, Eiko was locked on the boy, having already dialed the emergency number for the Containment unit of the NJSDF.

Tenshi? Thought Eiko, as spiritual energy gathered in her left hands, which eventually formed a bow. According the laws of Japan, a citizen was able to use their powers against any perceived super threat, to prevent them from leaving the area, while the NJSDF forces secure a perimeter.

"Terra, I want you to back away from the boy, take William with you. He's an unidentified super, so he needs to detained by Japan, he could be planning to attack the Academy. Remember, you aren't suppose to trust any supers that aren't registered in the system." Warned Eiko, having already pulled the quiver of her bow, an arrow already formed, ready to be released.

In the distance, the sound of helicopter rotors can heard, but remain yet to be seen. Faintly heard in the background, was the sound of boots running, as the Special Forces of NJSDF rapidly closed to heir location. They were only several seconds away.

"Now, if you don't want to get blasted as soon as the NJSDF comes here, I suggest you answer these questions. Where are you from? What is your name? Have you ever lived in Japan? How long? Why did you leave?" Asked Eiko in a commanding voice, knowing that should the boy attack, she would given permission to defend herself for defense. But, before the boy could answer, the special forces soldiers bursted from the background, quickly surrounding Nico, their guns raised.

"Where are you from? What is your name? Have you ever lived in Japan? How long? Why did you leave?" Asked the same set of questions by the commanding officer.

"Wait wh...at?" Nico said as he heard the helicopters rolled in and the special forces of the NJSDF appeared with their weapons drawn then his eyes grew wider than dinner plates as the commander spat out questions at him. He looked around to see them pointing their firearms at him along with the woman who drew an ethereal looking bow and the red haired woman gritting her teeth then started to transform with her limbs on the ground. Claws were forming on the woman's hands and that made him want to start flying but he didn't want the risk of getting shot.

Tears starting to well up in his eyes he wasn't sure what to do, he suddenly forgot what to say when asked this many questions and the probability of getting shot was high without giving them answers. "I do-n kn-ow wh-at to say" he responded as visible sparks of electricity started to form around him and the transforming Terra then made a loud cackling sound of thunder, none of which he could control. He was just as scared as the woman he stood next to and he hated the idea of the law against having any permits to use a specific power, Nico always had wings from the day of his birth but never knew of the need to have a permit for that.

Terra

Tears began running down Terra's face as she looked into Williams eyes while backing away, stopping her self as the NJSDF officer spoke, her eyes where green now. She looked away with a face of worry, and concern.

Supers who want to use their powers must have a license or risk being detained if used in public....

She looked at her hands, which had already started to develop claws, she closed her hands causing her claws to dig into her flesh as she gritted her teeth, angry at her self. She slumped upon her knees to the ground where still clinching her fists chin high she let out what should have been a scream, but was more of a roar. She put her fists to her face as she began to weep in a deep, animal like breathing. She couldn't change, and she couldn't remain. She wasn't angry at the boy, she wasn't angry at Eiko, and she wasn't angry with the forces around her. Her pain, was an inward pain, of which she had never resolved.