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Bingellia
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Postby Bingellia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:20 pm

Harbertia wrote:But I diverge from the topic talking about that man. I was simply trying to press what Ryn stated about tactics possibly being a factor in the defeat as Earth certainly doesn't fight the way the Empire does.

It just leaves questions; about the girls, why would they be there? Why Avalon would the princesses be on a hostile world with defeat on the horizon?


if I may weigh in here, and I don't have a particular stance on the long or short war debate, but I might have an idea for as to how the princesses would arrive on Earth and why the knight may be adventuring. Some of the debate comes from the issue as to why the princesses would go willingly or be sent for protection by an ally. We have a General who seizes power, they could be punished instead.

The basic flow to the lore after the invasion could go something like this:
The Empire has a very traditional society, and clearly the Emperor failed at rallying enough support for a change in the succession laws. His failure to secure an heir came from a curse of some sort, with a clear offender. A general ambitious enough to claim the throne and popular enough to succeed at it does exactly that. The population probably wants a scapegoat because, after all, the Emperor cannot be slain by a lesser forces, so the General uses that to his advantage. With a few fiery speeches meant to discredit the princesses because they were a result of that curse, the general manages to whip the general population into a mad fury against them. After a brutal roundup, the princesses are given a show trial, and they're sentenced to be exiled to Earth, with the goal of their souls being lost from the Great Creator. Whatever portal is used activates and the sisters are thrown in an ostentatious affair.

The Knight was a little harder to think for, but treason seemed to be a common theme. Here's my take:
He secretly harbors hardline royalist sympathies, while furthering his career in the Empire military under the General. The reunited empire remembers the infuriating defeat it suffered and still runs regular reconnaissance missions to steal technology and probe for weaknesses. If the team is wiped out before he realizes he's on Earth, he somehow survives it's destruction. Alternatively, he could have realized he was on Earth an wiped them out himself. Either way, he is now free to pursue his own goals involving the princesses as the Empire believes the team was killed to the man like the many others before it.

The memory wipes are a little trickier to work into this scenario, but it might adequately explain why both the princesses and the knight are on Earth.
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Postby Harbertia » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:08 pm

Bingellia wrote:
Harbertia wrote:But I diverge from the topic talking about that man. I was simply trying to press what Ryn stated about tactics possibly being a factor in the defeat as Earth certainly doesn't fight the way the Empire does.

It just leaves questions; about the girls, why would they be there? Why Avalon would the princesses be on a hostile world with defeat on the horizon?


if I may weigh in here, and I don't have a particular stance on the long or short war debate, but I might have an idea for as to how the princesses would arrive on Earth and why the knight may be adventuring. Some of the debate comes from the issue as to why the princesses would go willingly or be sent for protection by an ally. We have a General who seizes power, they could be punished instead.

The basic flow to the lore after the invasion could go something like this:
The Empire has a very traditional society, and clearly the Emperor failed at rallying enough support for a change in the succession laws. His failure to secure an heir came from a curse of some sort, with a clear offender. A general ambitious enough to claim the throne and popular enough to succeed at it does exactly that. The population probably wants a scapegoat because, after all, the Emperor cannot be slain by a lesser forces, so the General uses that to his advantage. With a few fiery speeches meant to discredit the princesses because they were a result of that curse, the general manages to whip the general population into a mad fury against them. After a brutal roundup, the princesses are given a show trial, and they're sentenced to be exiled to Earth, with the goal of their souls being lost from the Great Creator. Whatever portal is used activates and the sisters are thrown in an ostentatious affair.

The Knight was a little harder to think for, but treason seemed to be a common theme. Here's my take:
He secretly harbors hardline royalist sympathies, while furthering his career in the Empire military under the General. The reunited empire remembers the infuriating defeat it suffered and still runs regular reconnaissance missions to steal technology and probe for weaknesses. If the team is wiped out before he realizes he's on Earth, he somehow survives it's destruction. Alternatively, he could have realized he was on Earth an wiped them out himself. Either way, he is now free to pursue his own goals involving the princesses as the Empire believes the team was killed to the man like the many others before it.

The memory wipes are a little trickier to work into this scenario, but it might adequately explain why both the princesses and the knight are on Earth.


Sounds more and more like our characters are the bad guys in this.

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Postby Rynagria » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:38 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Bingellia wrote:
if I may weigh in here, and I don't have a particular stance on the long or short war debate, but I might have an idea for as to how the princesses would arrive on Earth and why the knight may be adventuring. Some of the debate comes from the issue as to why the princesses would go willingly or be sent for protection by an ally. We have a General who seizes power, they could be punished instead.

The basic flow to the lore after the invasion could go something like this:
The Empire has a very traditional society, and clearly the Emperor failed at rallying enough support for a change in the succession laws. His failure to secure an heir came from a curse of some sort, with a clear offender. A general ambitious enough to claim the throne and popular enough to succeed at it does exactly that. The population probably wants a scapegoat because, after all, the Emperor cannot be slain by a lesser forces, so the General uses that to his advantage. With a few fiery speeches meant to discredit the princesses because they were a result of that curse, the general manages to whip the general population into a mad fury against them. After a brutal roundup, the princesses are given a show trial, and they're sentenced to be exiled to Earth, with the goal of their souls being lost from the Great Creator. Whatever portal is used activates and the sisters are thrown in an ostentatious affair.

The Knight was a little harder to think for, but treason seemed to be a common theme. Here's my take:
He secretly harbors hardline royalist sympathies, while furthering his career in the Empire military under the General. The reunited empire remembers the infuriating defeat it suffered and still runs regular reconnaissance missions to steal technology and probe for weaknesses. If the team is wiped out before he realizes he's on Earth, he somehow survives it's destruction. Alternatively, he could have realized he was on Earth an wiped them out himself. Either way, he is now free to pursue his own goals involving the princesses as the Empire believes the team was killed to the man like the many others before it.

The memory wipes are a little trickier to work into this scenario, but it might adequately explain why both the princesses and the knight are on Earth.


Sounds more and more like our characters are the bad guys in this.

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Like memories in cold decay

transmissions echoing away

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where oceans bleed into the sky

If I may, here’s a recording of me talking about some points. It’s mostly recycled points from previous posts, but there are some new stuff. It’s three minutes, so it’s quite long and this was really off the script stuff. My apologies for the bad audio qualities and my voice
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Postby Bingellia » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:49 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Bingellia wrote:
if I may weigh in here, and I don't have a particular stance on the long or short war debate, but I might have an idea for as to how the princesses would arrive on Earth and why the knight may be adventuring. Some of the debate comes from the issue as to why the princesses would go willingly or be sent for protection by an ally. We have a General who seizes power, they could be punished instead.

The basic flow to the lore after the invasion could go something like this:
The Empire has a very traditional society, and clearly the Emperor failed at rallying enough support for a change in the succession laws. His failure to secure an heir came from a curse of some sort, with a clear offender. A general ambitious enough to claim the throne and popular enough to succeed at it does exactly that. The population probably wants a scapegoat because, after all, the Emperor cannot be slain by a lesser forces, so the General uses that to his advantage. With a few fiery speeches meant to discredit the princesses because they were a result of that curse, the general manages to whip the general population into a mad fury against them. After a brutal roundup, the princesses are given a show trial, and they're sentenced to be exiled to Earth, with the goal of their souls being lost from the Great Creator. Whatever portal is used activates and the sisters are thrown in an ostentatious affair.

The Knight was a little harder to think for, but treason seemed to be a common theme. Here's my take:
He secretly harbors hardline royalist sympathies, while furthering his career in the Empire military under the General. The reunited empire remembers the infuriating defeat it suffered and still runs regular reconnaissance missions to steal technology and probe for weaknesses. If the team is wiped out before he realizes he's on Earth, he somehow survives it's destruction. Alternatively, he could have realized he was on Earth an wiped them out himself. Either way, he is now free to pursue his own goals involving the princesses as the Empire believes the team was killed to the man like the many others before it.

The memory wipes are a little trickier to work into this scenario, but it might adequately explain why both the princesses and the knight are on Earth.


Sounds more and more like our characters are the bad guys in this.

Image

Like memories in cold decay

transmissions echoing away

far from the world of you and I

where oceans bleed into the sky


Perhaps punished wasn't the right word, betrayed might be better. Coups are not pretty, and the first thing done is the elimination of potential rivals. Regardless of what the princesses may have actually have done, they were thrown away due to circumstances out of their control. The princesses, at least as I depicted, were swept away by someone playing populist fears against them to better the legitimacy of his empire.
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Postby Harbertia » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:26 pm



After reading Bing's post and listening to you I think I've got something we can use;

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Tarsonis
Tarsonus was once a planet much like Earth inhabited by a near human species. At some point in it's past it was home to an advanced civilization that was desemated during the 'Reckoning' as it's known to modern Tarsonites. Waves of light flooded the world, the energy network was fried, and with it most of Tarsonite history was lost. These waves of light caused seas to evaporate and much vegetation to be lost- but the Tarsonites clung to what also survived. What ancient Tarsonite culture was like has largely been lost as too the names of what ever civilization or civilizations called it home before that event. From the fledgling tribes, and groups rose a culture that Earth has labeled 'Neo-Ottoman' with 'Eastern Asiatic Influences' which hint at least in a little of the planet's past. This culture was spread by a great conqueror who came to control the planet's water supply and with this control maintain power- but rebellions where frequent.

This conqueror is the ancestor of all the Emperors. Under Emperor Kiale Tarsonus began to become more cosmopolitan- with it's capital resembling a grand Turkish Bazzar with good from many worlds flowing to Tarsonus.

The Conquests of Kiale

A Terrible Defeat
The latest and last target of Conquest by Emperor Kiale was a world called Earth. Naturally as before any conquest excursions where made into the world to determine it's weaknesses, resources, and approximate a time for conquest's conclusion and to gather information vital to administrating the new territory. The first portal was opened in Sudan where scouts trecked north towards Morocco where they encountered the first example of the planet's internal security measures- being undocumented individuals they acquired equally undocumented methods of exploration from there and then- a treasure trove- the Internet. With this the scouting was completed quickly- the entire world map- political environment- resources- every bit of intell was easily obtained via this public network. With that the scouts returned sooner then expected.

When word of this reached ears it was laughable- that these beings where so trusting of one another as to have such a network. The world was largely fragmented into nation states, and fragmented further by an abundance of democracy and the intrigue, infighting, and civil unrest innate to that system. Militarily the world wasn't anything impressive- the entire technology was based on explosives rather then energy projection. Crude- but effective- and the people had been making even more effective explosives such as 'bunker busters'. Based on the scouts findings they had nearly destroyed themselves on numerous occasions a near 6 decades ago.

It was obvious that Earth had need of order, but more then that - that Earth would be difficult to rule. It had an established telecommunications network, and many of there explosives from 6 decades ago where still ready for use. The Empire imagined that upon arrival their forces would be met initially by local resistance before word rapidly spread to the other nations of the Earth at which point the Empire expected a united front would form to combat them.

So it was planned that the Empire would arrive in secret in the more secluded parts of the world and build a bases from which to divide the focus of the nations. Australia, Africa, and South America where selected locations for these bases. Alas for the Empire secrecy in this regard was not possible- fueled by an endless stream of victories, and the initial laughably of Earth's altruism the Empire failed to consider Satellite Imaging as the foil to it's plans. After a few months of on world preparation the Empire entered it's first skirmishes when tactical units where sent to these bases- caught by surprise the Imperial Forces responded initially as one would against some small local group- and failed to realize that what they where facing was a secret yet collaborative strike by the world's three major powers acting independent of the global public.

This ended the invasion before it could start in just three days when a SEAL sniped the Emperor (though the public was informed that he died in battle). The impression was that the man was the Commander of the forces- the strike team did not know him to be an Emperor and Earth remains still unaware of how major the threat really is for only those involved even know the strikes happened- and they aren't saying anything.

Conspiracies
With the death of the Emperor many worlds began to vie for Independence; with the succession laws unaltered the Princesses returned to their world fighting among or with one another all while the Imperial Armed Forces attempted to establish Marshal Law with high commanders competing for power. One by one the free worlds fell and one by one the Princesses where sent to Earth where their father had met his end; but in the interest of Imperial security their memories where sealed so Earth it's self could not gleam any information from them. It was deemed a form of 'death' by the Empire long ago- to have one's memories taken is to kill the being that is. Earth may find it odd the concept of labeling an amnesiac a deadman but such is the Empire- for a person who has lost their memory can not inherit for they have no longer the experiences of the life they once lead. It was also deemed humorous (a way to redicule them) as when the Empire returns to Earth it'll have no reason to treat the princesses of as anything but of the Earth and thus they will have to live as commoners under a new regime that is not their own when the conquest comes.

The Knight
The Knight, as he's been so often referred to in reports-

... I lost my train of thought. There are so many good ideas on this thread and I tried to do something to combine them.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:03 pm


Never realized it before, but you sound a lot like Yandere Dev.
Hearing your points is probably best than typing, cause I think we all three ended up very angry just due to a miscommunication of emotions.

I like your proposal. And I did not mean for the SOFs to win just because they are too good, I meant for there to be a kind of battle plan that just seems kind of baffling, something that many would look at as luck, though comes entirely down to skill.

The handicapping of the Empire works well though, it gives them a reason to return, while technically not losing (Earth casualties would far outweigh theirs when you count in civilians) they would view it as such and be outraged.

I am willing to play the knight however things come out, I just got no idea on how to develop the story. My strategies draw from recklessness and stubbornness, you stay low, move fast, and if all else fails call in bigger guns until there are no guns left to call. Never hit a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet. The thing is neither side has intel, and that really sucks, and the good guys are probably going to end up shooting at each other until they figure out what really is going on.

At the end of HALO: Reach there is a level where the ending is when you die. Noble Six is the last Spartan on Reach, the place has been glassed and the enemies are all around, it is not a fight to win, it is a fight to simply make them dig more graves. I liek that aspect.

The guys there know they are going to die, and it is simply a fight to take out as many as possible.
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:10 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:

Never realized it before, but you sound a lot like Yandere Dev.
Hearing your points is probably best than typing, cause I think we all three ended up very angry just due to a miscommunication of emotions.

I like your proposal. And I did not mean for the SOFs to win just because they are too good, I meant for there to be a kind of battle plan that just seems kind of baffling, something that many would look at as luck, though comes entirely down to skill.

The handicapping of the Empire works well though, it gives them a reason to return, while technically not losing (Earth casualties would far outweigh theirs when you count in civilians) they would view it as such and be outraged.

I am willing to play the knight however things come out, I just got no idea on how to develop the story. My strategies draw from recklessness and stubbornness, you stay low, move fast, and if all else fails call in bigger guns until there are no guns left to call. Never hit a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet. The thing is neither side has intel, and that really sucks, and the good guys are probably going to end up shooting at each other until they figure out what really is going on.

At the end of HALO: Reach there is a level where the ending is when you die. Noble Six is the last Spartan on Reach, the place has been glassed and the enemies are all around, it is not a fight to win, it is a fight to simply make them dig more graves. I liek that aspect.

The guys there know they are going to die, and it is simply a fight to take out as many as possible.

Are you talking abour the Knight or the SOF?

Who’s making a final stand that they know they can’t get of? I mean Noble Six fighting to end was a show of defiance till the very end, and yes, to take down as much covenant as he could.

Who are you referring to?
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:13 pm

Rynagria wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Never realized it before, but you sound a lot like Yandere Dev.
Hearing your points is probably best than typing, cause I think we all three ended up very angry just due to a miscommunication of emotions.

I like your proposal. And I did not mean for the SOFs to win just because they are too good, I meant for there to be a kind of battle plan that just seems kind of baffling, something that many would look at as luck, though comes entirely down to skill.

The handicapping of the Empire works well though, it gives them a reason to return, while technically not losing (Earth casualties would far outweigh theirs when you count in civilians) they would view it as such and be outraged.

I am willing to play the knight however things come out, I just got no idea on how to develop the story. My strategies draw from recklessness and stubbornness, you stay low, move fast, and if all else fails call in bigger guns until there are no guns left to call. Never hit a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet. The thing is neither side has intel, and that really sucks, and the good guys are probably going to end up shooting at each other until they figure out what really is going on.

At the end of HALO: Reach there is a level where the ending is when you die. Noble Six is the last Spartan on Reach, the place has been glassed and the enemies are all around, it is not a fight to win, it is a fight to simply make them dig more graves. I liek that aspect.

The guys there know they are going to die, and it is simply a fight to take out as many as possible.

Are you talking abour the Knight or the SOF?

Who’s making a final stand that they know they can’t get of? I mean Noble Six fighting to end was a show of defiance till the very end, and yes, to take down as much covenant as he could.

Who are you referring to?

The SOFs, after all they die in the end.
Global War on Crime
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Al-Khalifiya Campaign
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Arabic Spain Remembrance
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Aravean Liberation
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Magian Defense
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Postby Harbertia » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:16 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Rynagria wrote:Are you talking abour the Knight or the SOF?

Who’s making a final stand that they know they can’t get of? I mean Noble Six fighting to end was a show of defiance till the very end, and yes, to take down as much covenant as he could.

Who are you referring to?

The SOFs, after all they die in the end.

all of them?
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Postby Harbertia » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:44 pm

Hey Av, due to anxiety I'm having- I've got to ask- you- know I want to have fun right :( that I've been trying to cater to you so as to keep you interested so as to experience an RP with you ?

I'm- sad- that - I'm hurt- that - It seems you wont budge as I have yet I also realize that we have to do something for both of us to have fun but right now I'm not having any :(

I've been told that I get depressed easily- it's something a player told me. That I get ramped up for an idea and then- I just loose it after realizing something horribly dark. And dark is all you say; it makes it hard for me to stay involved. I feel like a winter spirit who strayed too far into autumnland.

Edit: Well not all you say, you say some incredibly powerful - motivational- things and I love those moments but when you're dark you're dark.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:18 pm

Harbertia wrote:Hey Av, due to anxiety I'm having- I've got to ask- you- know I want to have fun right :( that I've been trying to cater to you so as to keep you interested so as to experience an RP with you ?

I'm- sad- that - I'm hurt- that - It seems you wont budge as I have yet I also realize that we have to do something for both of us to have fun but right now I'm not having any :(

I've been told that I get depressed easily- it's something a player told me. That I get ramped up for an idea and then- I just loose it after realizing something horribly dark. And dark is all you say; it makes it hard for me to stay involved. I feel like a winter spirit who strayed too far into autumnland.

Edit: Well not all you say, you say some incredibly powerful - motivational- things and I love those moments but when you're dark you're dark.

What was dark...?
It has been my same old stuff...

Not really any way to be motivational with this kind of thing, it is war, ever watched any movies like Lone Survivor or Zero Dark Thirty? Thirteen Hours? Those are nice and uplifting because the whole time you are like "Yeah! Let's go kick some ass!" but sometimes it does not end that way. And that is alright, life is finite. Stuff goes south you grit your teeth, dig into your foxhole and keep on keeping on until the situation is either better or you can't no more.

I suppose I could try to make a character like Rob (first gen or second gen either one)
I am sorry, pal, I've just had a lot thrown on recently and I guess some of my cynicism ended up coming back on you guys.
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Al-Khalifiya Campaign
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Aravean Liberation
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:30 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:The SOFs, after all they die in the end.

all of them?

What is purpose of all of them dying?

How will make the story any better?
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:35 pm

Rynagria wrote:
Harbertia wrote:all of them?

What is purpose of all of them dying?

How will make the story any better?

No witnesses, plus that was the only conceivable way of stopping the invasion.

They had a portal bringing in reinforcements, a massive army was about to get even bigger, when a man gets crazy you get crazier. The man carried explosives did nothing, so they rigged the portal itself to detonate by closing in and disrupting the forces it was comprised of. Sadly this kind of event is more or less a nuclear blast and all in range are lost.

They die in the end because there was no other way, to wait for them to evacuate would mean losing the chance to close to portal before more arrive.
Global War on Crime
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Al-Khalifiya Campaign
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Aravean Liberation
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:38 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Rynagria wrote:What is purpose of all of them dying?

How will make the story any better?

No witnesses, plus that was the only conceivable way of stopping the invasion.

They had a portal bringing in reinforcements, a massive army was about to get even bigger, when a man gets crazy you get crazier. The man carried explosives did nothing, so they rigged the portal itself to detonate by closing in and disrupting the forces it was comprised of. Sadly this kind of event is more or less a nuclear blast and all in range are lost.

They die in the end because there was no other way, to wait for them to evacuate would mean losing the chance to close to portal before more arrive.

Even if the Empire would have been in full retreat because of it?

I mean after the death of the Emperor and theatre commander, they would have don't just that.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:47 pm

Rynagria wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:No witnesses, plus that was the only conceivable way of stopping the invasion.

They had a portal bringing in reinforcements, a massive army was about to get even bigger, when a man gets crazy you get crazier. The man carried explosives did nothing, so they rigged the portal itself to detonate by closing in and disrupting the forces it was comprised of. Sadly this kind of event is more or less a nuclear blast and all in range are lost.

They die in the end because there was no other way, to wait for them to evacuate would mean losing the chance to close to portal before more arrive.

Even if the Empire would have been in full retreat because of it?

I mean after the death of the Emperor and theatre commander, they would have don't just that.

The conclusion was designed before the plot point of the Empire retreating was brought forward, this was the original way the Empire went away.

Even now, we have a small band of now likely ill supplied and weary commandos, they do not speak the language of their enemies, and only one guy among them all can, a "Holy crap we are screwed!" retreat and a tactical retreat look very similar especially when your only context is what the situation looks like.

if it makes the decision any more human, you have the choice of sadly takign the lives of you and your guys to make sure this enemy cannot come back to kill the innocent once more, or you can all go home and risk them coming back another day to kill more people. I am sorry, but those men came knowing what could happen, it is part of the job, and part of the job is realizing you are a replaceable cog in a machine that must keep moving. There must not be any faltering, that portal needs to be destroyed at any cost.
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After reading Bing's post and listening to you I think I've got something we can use;

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Tarsonis
Tarsonus was once a planet much like Earth inhabited by a near human species. At some point in it's past it was home to an advanced civilization that was desemated during the 'Reckoning' as it's known to modern Tarsonites. Waves of light flooded the world, the energy network was fried, and with it most of Tarsonite history was lost. These waves of light caused seas to evaporate and much vegetation to be lost- but the Tarsonites clung to what also survived. What ancient Tarsonite culture was like has largely been lost as too the names of what ever civilization or civilizations called it home before that event. From the fledgling tribes, and groups rose a culture that Earth has labeled 'Neo-Ottoman' with 'Eastern Asiatic Influences' which hint at least in a little of the planet's past. This culture was spread by a great conqueror who came to control the planet's water supply and with this control maintain power- but rebellions where frequent.

This conqueror is the ancestor of all the Emperors. Under Emperor Kiale Tarsonus began to become more cosmopolitan- with it's capital resembling a grand Turkish Bazzar with good from many worlds flowing to Tarsonus.

The Conquests of Kiale

A Terrible Defeat
The latest and last target of Conquest by Emperor Kiale was a world called Earth. Naturally as before any conquest excursions where made into the world to determine it's weaknesses, resources, and approximate a time for conquest's conclusion and to gather information vital to administrating the new territory. The first portal was opened in Sudan where scouts trecked north towards Morocco where they encountered the first example of the planet's internal security measures- being undocumented individuals they acquired equally undocumented methods of exploration from there and then- a treasure trove- the Internet. With this the scouting was completed quickly- the entire world map- political environment- resources- every bit of intell was easily obtained via this public network. With that the scouts returned sooner then expected.

When word of this reached ears it was laughable- that these beings where so trusting of one another as to have such a network. The world was largely fragmented into nation states, and fragmented further by an abundance of democracy and the intrigue, infighting, and civil unrest innate to that system. Militarily the world wasn't anything impressive- the entire technology was based on explosives rather then energy projection. Crude- but effective- and the people had been making even more effective explosives such as 'bunker busters'. Based on the scouts findings they had nearly destroyed themselves on numerous occasions a near 6 decades ago.

It was obvious that Earth had need of order, but more then that - that Earth would be difficult to rule. It had an established telecommunications network, and many of there explosives from 6 decades ago where still ready for use. The Empire imagined that upon arrival their forces would be met initially by local resistance before word rapidly spread to the other nations of the Earth at which point the Empire expected a united front would form to combat them.

So it was planned that the Empire would arrive in secret in the more secluded parts of the world and build a bases from which to divide the focus of the nations. Australia, Africa, and South America where selected locations for these bases. Alas for the Empire secrecy in this regard was not possible- fueled by an endless stream of victories, and the initial laughably of Earth's altruism the Empire failed to consider Satellite Imaging as the foil to it's plans. After a few months of on world preparation the Empire entered it's first skirmishes when tactical units where sent to these bases- caught by surprise the Imperial Forces responded initially as one would against some small local group- and failed to realize that what they where facing was a secret yet collaborative strike by the world's three major powers acting independent of the global public.

This ended the invasion before it could start in just three days when a SEAL sniped the Emperor (though the public was informed that he died in battle). The impression was that the man was the Commander of the forces- the strike team did not know him to be an Emperor and Earth remains still unaware of how major the threat really is for only those involved even know the strikes happened- and they aren't saying anything.

Conspiracies
With the death of the Emperor many worlds began to vie for Independence; with the succession laws unaltered the Princesses returned to their world fighting among or with one another all while the Imperial Armed Forces attempted to establish Marshal Law with high commanders competing for power. One by one the free worlds fell and one by one the Princesses where sent to Earth where their father had met his end; but in the interest of Imperial security their memories where sealed so Earth it's self could not gleam any information from them. It was deemed a form of 'death' by the Empire long ago- to have one's memories taken is to kill the being that is. Earth may find it odd the concept of labeling an amnesiac a deadman but such is the Empire- for a person who has lost their memory can not inherit for they have no longer the experiences of the life they once lead. It was also deemed humorous (a way to redicule them) as when the Empire returns to Earth it'll have no reason to treat the princesses of as anything but of the Earth and thus they will have to live as commoners under a new regime that is not their own when the conquest comes.

The Knight
The Knight, as he's been so often referred to in reports-

... I lost my train of thought. There are so many good ideas on this thread and I tried to do something to combine them.
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:00 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Rynagria wrote:Even if the Empire would have been in full retreat because of it?

I mean after the death of the Emperor and theatre commander, they would have don't just that.

The conclusion was designed before the plot point of the Empire retreating was brought forward, this was the original way the Empire went away.

Even now, we have a small band of now likely ill supplied and weary commandos, they do not speak the language of their enemies, and only one guy among them all can, a "Holy crap we are screwed!" retreat and a tactical retreat look very similar especially when your only context is what the situation looks like.

if it makes the decision any more human, you have the choice of sadly takign the lives of you and your guys to make sure this enemy cannot come back to kill the innocent once more, or you can all go home and risk them coming back another day to kill more people. I am sorry, but those men came knowing what could happen, it is part of the job, and part of the job is realizing you are a replaceable cog in a machine that must keep moving. There must not be any faltering, that portal needs to be destroyed at any cost.

I thought it was essentially being nuked without using a nuke?

Could it be possible that the Knight was captured or linked up and managed to tell them a sufficient size explosion would destabilize the portal? Something along the lines of Knight having been in charge of interrogating a captured soldier and him learning limited English from that experience. I don't know.

Harbertia wrote:
Harbertia wrote:
After reading Bing's post and listening to you I think I've got something we can use;

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RISING

LORE VERSION .7


Tarsonis
Tarsonus was once a planet much like Earth inhabited by a near human species. At some point in it's past it was home to an advanced civilization that was desemated during the 'Reckoning' as it's known to modern Tarsonites. Waves of light flooded the world, the energy network was fried, and with it most of Tarsonite history was lost. These waves of light caused seas to evaporate and much vegetation to be lost- but the Tarsonites clung to what also survived. What ancient Tarsonite culture was like has largely been lost as too the names of what ever civilization or civilizations called it home before that event. From the fledgling tribes, and groups rose a culture that Earth has labeled 'Neo-Ottoman' with 'Eastern Asiatic Influences' which hint at least in a little of the planet's past. This culture was spread by a great conqueror who came to control the planet's water supply and with this control maintain power- but rebellions where frequent.

This conqueror is the ancestor of all the Emperors. Under Emperor Kiale Tarsonus began to become more cosmopolitan- with it's capital resembling a grand Turkish Bazzar with good from many worlds flowing to Tarsonus.

The Conquests of Kiale

A Terrible Defeat
The latest and last target of Conquest by Emperor Kiale was a world called Earth. Naturally as before any conquest excursions where made into the world to determine it's weaknesses, resources, and approximate a time for conquest's conclusion and to gather information vital to administrating the new territory. The first portal was opened in Sudan where scouts trecked north towards Morocco where they encountered the first example of the planet's internal security measures- being undocumented individuals they acquired equally undocumented methods of exploration from there and then- a treasure trove- the Internet. With this the scouting was completed quickly- the entire world map- political environment- resources- every bit of intell was easily obtained via this public network. With that the scouts returned sooner then expected.

When word of this reached ears it was laughable- that these beings where so trusting of one another as to have such a network. The world was largely fragmented into nation states, and fragmented further by an abundance of democracy and the intrigue, infighting, and civil unrest innate to that system. Militarily the world wasn't anything impressive- the entire technology was based on explosives rather then energy projection. Crude- but effective- and the people had been making even more effective explosives such as 'bunker busters'. Based on the scouts findings they had nearly destroyed themselves on numerous occasions a near 6 decades ago.

It was obvious that Earth had need of order, but more then that - that Earth would be difficult to rule. It had an established telecommunications network, and many of there explosives from 6 decades ago where still ready for use. The Empire imagined that upon arrival their forces would be met initially by local resistance before word rapidly spread to the other nations of the Earth at which point the Empire expected a united front would form to combat them.

So it was planned that the Empire would arrive in secret in the more secluded parts of the world and build a bases from which to divide the focus of the nations. Australia, Africa, and South America where selected locations for these bases. Alas for the Empire secrecy in this regard was not possible- fueled by an endless stream of victories, and the initial laughably of Earth's altruism the Empire failed to consider Satellite Imaging as the foil to it's plans. After a few months of on world preparation the Empire entered it's first skirmishes when tactical units where sent to these bases- caught by surprise the Imperial Forces responded initially as one would against some small local group- and failed to realize that what they where facing was a secret yet collaborative strike by the world's three major powers acting independent of the global public.

This ended the invasion before it could start in just three days when a SEAL sniped the Emperor (though the public was informed that he died in battle). The impression was that the man was the Commander of the forces- the strike team did not know him to be an Emperor and Earth remains still unaware of how major the threat really is for only those involved even know the strikes happened- and they aren't saying anything.

Conspiracies
With the death of the Emperor many worlds began to vie for Independence; with the succession laws unaltered the Princesses returned to their world fighting among or with one another all while the Imperial Armed Forces attempted to establish Marshal Law with high commanders competing for power. One by one the free worlds fell and one by one the Princesses where sent to Earth where their father had met his end; but in the interest of Imperial security their memories where sealed so Earth it's self could not gleam any information from them. It was deemed a form of 'death' by the Empire long ago- to have one's memories taken is to kill the being that is. Earth may find it odd the concept of labeling an amnesiac a deadman but such is the Empire- for a person who has lost their memory can not inherit for they have no longer the experiences of the life they once lead. It was also deemed humorous (a way to redicule them) as when the Empire returns to Earth it'll have no reason to treat the princesses of as anything but of the Earth and thus they will have to live as commoners under a new regime that is not their own when the conquest comes.

The Knight
The Knight, as he's been so often referred to in reports-

... I lost my train of thought. There are so many good ideas on this thread and I tried to do something to combine them.

I don't think the multiple front angle will service the story very well. I do approve the use of scouts, but to a limited degree. My feelings for the rest are unclear and I shall get back to you when I can interpret them well.
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Postby Harbertia » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:17 pm

You'all right about the multiple front not working.

It is late here so 'll respond more in the morning. I got to rest for work. I will say that in regards to war films I have seen All Quit on the Western Front, Saving Private Ryan, Red October, U-22 (I think is the name), and a history channel production on the heads of state during WW2, and another on Vaun Braun and the space race. Oh and Good Morning Vietnam, and Forest Gump.

Of those All Quite on the Western Front is my favorite.

Saving Private Ryan the one I dislike the most.

As such I am not familiar with the mentioned films.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:30 pm

Rynagria wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:The conclusion was designed before the plot point of the Empire retreating was brought forward, this was the original way the Empire went away.

Even now, we have a small band of now likely ill supplied and weary commandos, they do not speak the language of their enemies, and only one guy among them all can, a "Holy crap we are screwed!" retreat and a tactical retreat look very similar especially when your only context is what the situation looks like.

if it makes the decision any more human, you have the choice of sadly takign the lives of you and your guys to make sure this enemy cannot come back to kill the innocent once more, or you can all go home and risk them coming back another day to kill more people. I am sorry, but those men came knowing what could happen, it is part of the job, and part of the job is realizing you are a replaceable cog in a machine that must keep moving. There must not be any faltering, that portal needs to be destroyed at any cost.

I thought it was essentially being nuked without using a nuke?

Could it be possible that the Knight was captured or linked up and managed to tell them a sufficient size explosion would destabilize the portal? Something along the lines of Knight having been in charge of interrogating a captured soldier and him learning limited English from that experience. I don't know.

Harbertia wrote:

I don't think the multiple front angle will service the story very well. I do approve the use of scouts, but to a limited degree. My feelings for the rest are unclear and I shall get back to you when I can interpret them well.

I suppose, but it just seems too convenient, My end goal with the battle was more or less a loss for both sides. The Empire of course retreats, but the whatever you want to call all of the humans are left to mourn the massive loss on their side

Thus the humans are weary of the aliens, even our brave knight, so as he goes around asking questions attempting to stop the empire he is mistaken as a threat trying to bring about a grander war to take Earth. if the humans are too cocky they won't care if this guy might be a threat or might not I feel, and them thinking the knight is a threat will really be where we can draw some action from when the time so feels.
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Al-Khalifiya Campaign
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Arabic Spain Remembrance
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Postby Personal Freedom » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:20 am

I always find I'm bad at not making underpowered characters.
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Postby Rynagria » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:36 am

Personal Freedom wrote:I always find I'm bad at not making underpowered characters.

Underpowered characters can be really fun if played rIgor, and so far, you’ve done them justice in the past.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:51 am

Rynagria wrote:
Personal Freedom wrote:I always find I'm bad at not making underpowered characters.

Underpowered characters can be really fun if played rIgor, and so far, you’ve done them justice in the past.

Reminds me of an interview I watched right after the first Avengers movie, and they were talking to Chris Evans about playing Cap and at one point he says something along the lines of:
"yeah pretty humbling, cause like they all jump a mile into the sky or shoot off with rocket boots and stuff and you are just standing there going "Well, guess I will take the stairs!" and run along your way."
Always loved Cap and Batman, granted Batman doe snot have that issue because he has all sorts of gadgets to get him around town, and the other Avengers eventually find ways to get Captain America around also... eventually.

It just seems so comical, and maybe determined? I always compare unpowered heroes in a group of really superpowered ones to a joke that Chris Rock said loooooong time ago. Chris Rock told a joke in D.C. along the lines of "The one to three white guys in a group of black ones *terrifies* me, because you have no idea what those guys did to earn the respect of those black guys, like they had to have done some craaaazy shit."

The fact that Batman has the respect of Superman, the two are best friends most the time, you know Superman at the least thinks that Batman could kick his ass, maybe not kill him, but bloody his face. That is kind of spectacular, some random guy, no powers aside from money, has gotten the respect to be viewed as a peer by this freaky overpowered alien from space. We can even skip over to Marvel, Rogers is seen as a beloved friend by all kinds of characters who could probably smash planets - Hell, at one point Hulk (who could probably smash titanium with his face) wigs out and Captain America yells at him to calm down and he *listens* and calms down.

I think we label them wrong honestly, they are not gifted with powers or abilities, they are gifted with a strong heart though their bodies may not be superpowerful. Their compassion, their hope, their courage is what wins the battles they fight. You can break their bodies, but you will never break their spirits. That I think is why we love them so much, because sure they might fight aliens, demons, and all sorts of nonsense that could easily kill them, but they don't care, someone has to fight the fight and if it just them alone they will still do it. Our heroes without powers do honestly have a power, a power we all can have or obtain, Spirit.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:01 am

Is this the kind of hero we are looking for with the Knight...?

If y'all would prefer, now that we seem to have a good little team going, I would not mind leaving the world building to Harb and Ryn, I can work on building the hero. Conflicts I design are not meant to be light hearted, which is what we seem to need here, I design a conflict it will be a war of blood and iron, like - I make ya feel it when the guys are gone. It has impact on the story, the narrative. In the end you are left as with all wars and battles, you are left to wonder if the outcome was truly just, because sadly heroes and villains only exist on the page and on the screen.

That... that is not what we need here it would seem. We need a real hero and a true villain, so I can get you that first part, all I need are the details he needs to fit into in the exposition.
Global War on Crime
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Al-Khalifiya Campaign
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Aravean Liberation
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Postby Harbertia » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:41 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Is this the kind of hero we are looking for with the Knight...?

If y'all would prefer, now that we seem to have a good little team going, I would not mind leaving the world building to Harb and Ryn, I can work on building the hero. Conflicts I design are not meant to be light hearted, which is what we seem to need here, I design a conflict it will be a war of blood and iron, like - I make ya feel it when the guys are gone. It has impact on the story, the narrative. In the end you are left as with all wars and battles, you are left to wonder if the outcome was truly just, because sadly heroes and villains only exist on the page and on the screen.

That... that is not what we need here it would seem. We need a real hero and a true villain, so I can get you that first part, all I need are the details he needs to fit into in the exposition.

Iiii....ve been thinking at work and I wouldn't say that.

... I mean- Bing and I both have some 'dark' princess characters (they are after all the daughters of a conquer of worlds and didn't really grow up in a friendly environment). I'd say there is a difference between being Batman and the Punisher. Both are 'dark' characters but of them Batman is the lighter; I'm fine with Batman but I am not a fan of the Punisher.

It's hard to explain; a dark light? a 'Shadowed'' rather then 'Dark' fantasy.

Batman is after all still Bruce Wayne, and he has moral standards.

Punisher on the other hand has no trouble using villain tactics against the villains- he'll kidnap those close to them to draw them out before dishing out his sense of justice- he's a walking arsenal that while trained on the scum of the city still catches the innocent in his crosshairs.

----

That's why the idea of 'no witnesses' and secrecy- and all this lose- it doesn't set well with me :/ It reminds me of the theory that Arnold's character in Predator gets a bullet to the head to keep extraterrestrials a secret- in short it's too dark - blurring the lines.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:50 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Is this the kind of hero we are looking for with the Knight...?

If y'all would prefer, now that we seem to have a good little team going, I would not mind leaving the world building to Harb and Ryn, I can work on building the hero. Conflicts I design are not meant to be light hearted, which is what we seem to need here, I design a conflict it will be a war of blood and iron, like - I make ya feel it when the guys are gone. It has impact on the story, the narrative. In the end you are left as with all wars and battles, you are left to wonder if the outcome was truly just, because sadly heroes and villains only exist on the page and on the screen.

That... that is not what we need here it would seem. We need a real hero and a true villain, so I can get you that first part, all I need are the details he needs to fit into in the exposition.

Iiii....ve been thinking at work and I wouldn't say that.

... I mean- Bing and I both have some 'dark' princess characters (they are after all the daughters of a conquer of worlds and didn't really grow up in a friendly environment). I'd say there is a difference between being Batman and the Punisher. Both are 'dark' characters but of them Batman is the lighter; I'm fine with Batman but I am not a fan of the Punisher.

It's hard to explain; a dark light? a 'Shadowed'' rather then 'Dark' fantasy.

Batman is after all still Bruce Wayne, and he has moral standards.

Punisher on the other hand has no trouble using villain tactics against the villains- he'll kidnap those close to them to draw them out before dishing out his sense of justice- he's a walking arsenal that while trained on the scum of the city still catches the innocent in his crosshairs.

----

That's why the idea of 'no witnesses' and secrecy- and all this lose- it doesn't set well with me :/ It reminds me of the theory that Arnold's character in Predator gets a bullet to the head to keep extraterrestrials a secret- in short it's too dark - blurring the lines.

I get what you are saying, in the end I am a pragmatic guy, you got the choice of letting the criminal go without confrontation - he might shoot an innocent while getting away, or fighting him there with innocents in the crossfire.

It is a hard choice, and I do get that. Same kind of choice they had to make when dropping The Bombs, fear having to murder the innocent invading the home islands, or detonate these weapons on cities important to the War that still house civilians? That is why war is a fool's pursuit. There is no right answer and no easy one either. Only a psycho or a sadist can make easy choices with lives on the line.

In the example given I have to agree with Punisher, you gun for the villains and that is it. You try to keep the good innocent people out of it, but sometimes that just does not happen as it should, you limit the casualties and do your best to protect them - the primary way to do so being to take down the threat.

In a country about to go through civil war you have nationalists and communists getting steam. Sometimes you have to support the nationalists because at least the Warsaw Pact will not give them guns and weapons, they will the communists. It is limiting a threat.

Wetwork sucks, it is fortunate the world will truly never know what those kinds of entities and agencies have to do, the truly horrible things that keep the world going as it does, by no means smooth, but it could always be much worse.
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Al-Khalifiya Campaign
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Arabic Spain Remembrance
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Aravean Liberation
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