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Holy Empire of Avalon
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:39 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Eh, bureaucracy is a bitch, workplace problems are the same in military affairs, difference is it directly means life and death. In the business world you can guide logistics the wrong way and screw over the guys trying to put the product together, do that in an army and guys are without rations, equipment, and other supplies.

I can figure a guy to be rather pissed off at how things work and having been so for a long time. They perform this invasion and stuff starts falling apart because the dickhead officer in charge, just like the last force this guy was stationed with, refuses to "fix a system that is not broken" even though by the current system equipment is going to divisions that are not even frontline units, some guys are losing morale because they get the crap rations despite fighting all the locals while the "elite" units get all sorts of awesome food and sit in the barracks all day waiting for some special mission. Pissed off and done with it all for the day he goes out on the first patrol, things go sideways pretty fast, the force had been dealing with equipment troubles since they landed - their advanced scopes and highly complicated gear did not like this damn jungle, the gear never liked jungles, but yet the officer kept them here because "We will be harder to see." Yeah, harder see works when you freaking scope is not malfunctioning from the mud caked on it!

He orders a tactical withdraw, what few thermal vision visors the guys have working are not giving much information due to the high heat of the landscape. There comes a crack though and the knight last remembers the trees all turning to black. Coming to he finds himself tied to a tree, his helmet nearby with a massive bullet stuck in the side, what hit him was a fifty caliber round directly to the side of his head, fortunately he had the clear ballistic plastic visor and that kept the bullet from penetrating. Through fuzzy vision he sees his captors, they are yelling and angry, they speak several languages. Finally they grab a notepad and draw on it, the knight motions to his wrist, finally some guy with EOD on his uniform messes carefully with the device as the others back away and now it translates as they speak, both sides sounding rather broken.

While the Knight refuses to fight his own forces he begins to see a side of things he did not really acknowledge before. They conquered, they waged war, and they won, what had they lost though? It all seemed so greedy. Thus with a thorn in his heart the knight devises a plan, for the invasion to retreat with no casualties.

This plan of course goes awry, and in the end the knight (you brought up Rob, and so i will make him far different than Robert) is left to feel a sense of regret. He had long disagreed with the effects of the imperialistic outlook the empire had, but was that the way to resolve it? A situation resulting in the death of the Emperor, the collapse of the entire Empire, and now just a series of wars as someone tries to rebuild the broken throne. Attempting sot bring peace only lead to more war.

*shrug* do with it what you will, I'm gonna eat now.

... that work :(

I just am not good with sci fi, the magic, the big mechs, technology that is so convoluted.

Hell, I hate smartphones, and those are about ten years old now. I could not imagine having these pieces of crap in your brain.

Indigenous people don't care about your tech level, the natives of north america did not, and even coming forward to a more modern time, the insurgents across the world sure as Hell don't care. They adapted to it, their tactics are beyond barbaric and have been forever, from Vietnam to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria - we outclass them easily, they have guns welded to trucks with freaky JB weld and duct tape, what gives them the ability to not be wiped out in one swoop by our fighters, bombers, and attack craft? They hide in plain sight among people they blend in perfectly with, they have the ability to dictate where the fight happens, Viet Cong had that same ability, that is what happens.

Our alien invaders here have one leg up, no one cares if they burn down a village to kill the militants, so I will say that they have the edge in the fact that no one cares about civilian casualties on their side. Their gear can used against them however, case in point, I had someone using my phone to figure out where I was and it was very inconvenient, so I just started leaving my phone in the barracks when I went out - problem solved because they counted on my not knowing they could do that. Sun Tsu said know your enemy and know yourself and you will win every battle, he was right, so you use their tech against them. After all they likely don't expect some swamp dwelling monkeys to use their own systems against them.

Cause failures in their artillery aiming computers, end up calling in strikes on their own positions, sabotage their medical robots, destroy their supply depot and leave their heavily complicated tools without replacement parts and maintenance.

Heavy Object, an anime, I will admit had some real good moments like that. Use whatever you can against your enemy, look at every detail.

Far as the knight dude goes, he could be part of what gives them the edge in breaking the enemy systems, if he is a junior officer (I figure a knight would be? Seemed a fairly important role) then he likely has some good information on all that stuff.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:44 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Harbertia wrote:... that work :(

I just am not good with sci fi, the magic, the big mechs, technology that is so convoluted.

Hell, I hate smartphones, and those are about ten years old now. I could not imagine having these pieces of crap in your brain.

Indigenous people don't care about your tech level, the natives of north america did not, and even coming forward to a more modern time, the insurgents across the world sure as Hell don't care. They adapted to it, their tactics are beyond barbaric and have been forever, from Vietnam to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria - we outclass them easily, they have guns welded to trucks with freaky JB weld and duct tape, what gives them the ability to not be wiped out in one swoop by our fighters, bombers, and attack craft? They hide in plain sight among people they blend in perfectly with, they have the ability to dictate where the fight happens, Viet Cong had that same ability, that is what happens.

Our alien invaders here have one leg up, no one cares if they burn down a village to kill the militants, so I will say that they have the edge in the fact that no one cares about civilian casualties on their side. Their gear can used against them however, case in point, I had someone using my phone to figure out where I was and it was very inconvenient, so I just started leaving my phone in the barracks when I went out - problem solved because they counted on my not knowing they could do that. Sun Tsu said know your enemy and know yourself and you will win every battle, he was right, so you use their tech against them. After all they likely don't expect some swamp dwelling monkeys to use their own systems against them.

Cause failures in their artillery aiming computers, end up calling in strikes on their own positions, sabotage their medical robots, destroy their supply depot and leave their heavily complicated tools without replacement parts and maintenance.

Heavy Object, an anime, I will admit had some real good moments like that. Use whatever you can against your enemy, look at every detail.

Far as the knight dude goes, he could be part of what gives them the edge in breaking the enemy systems, if he is a junior officer (I figure a knight would be? Seemed a fairly important role) then he likely has some good information on all that stuff.

While I try to get over my saddness; How does he know where to find the girls? :unsure:
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Postby Yellowstone- » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:47 pm

So who will join the Gamma World: The Forbidden World RP?

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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:50 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:I just am not good with sci fi, the magic, the big mechs, technology that is so convoluted.

Hell, I hate smartphones, and those are about ten years old now. I could not imagine having these pieces of crap in your brain.

Indigenous people don't care about your tech level, the natives of north america did not, and even coming forward to a more modern time, the insurgents across the world sure as Hell don't care. They adapted to it, their tactics are beyond barbaric and have been forever, from Vietnam to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria - we outclass them easily, they have guns welded to trucks with freaky JB weld and duct tape, what gives them the ability to not be wiped out in one swoop by our fighters, bombers, and attack craft? They hide in plain sight among people they blend in perfectly with, they have the ability to dictate where the fight happens, Viet Cong had that same ability, that is what happens.

Our alien invaders here have one leg up, no one cares if they burn down a village to kill the militants, so I will say that they have the edge in the fact that no one cares about civilian casualties on their side. Their gear can used against them however, case in point, I had someone using my phone to figure out where I was and it was very inconvenient, so I just started leaving my phone in the barracks when I went out - problem solved because they counted on my not knowing they could do that. Sun Tsu said know your enemy and know yourself and you will win every battle, he was right, so you use their tech against them. After all they likely don't expect some swamp dwelling monkeys to use their own systems against them.

Cause failures in their artillery aiming computers, end up calling in strikes on their own positions, sabotage their medical robots, destroy their supply depot and leave their heavily complicated tools without replacement parts and maintenance.

Heavy Object, an anime, I will admit had some real good moments like that. Use whatever you can against your enemy, look at every detail.

Far as the knight dude goes, he could be part of what gives them the edge in breaking the enemy systems, if he is a junior officer (I figure a knight would be? Seemed a fairly important role) then he likely has some good information on all that stuff.

While I try to get over my saddness; How does he know where to find the girls? :unsure:

Vague idea from some communications just before everything blew up?

He might have been able to get some signals from space gathered by rigging his gear up, which in the process fried it all by receiving the transmission.
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Al-Khalifiya Campaign
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Arabic Spain Remembrance
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Aravean Liberation
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Magian Defense
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:52 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Harbertia wrote:While I try to get over my saddness; How does he know where to find the girls? :unsure:

Vague idea from some communications just before everything blew up?

He might have been able to get some signals from space gathered by rigging his gear up, which in the process fried it all by receiving the transmission.

Again, no space ships and transmissions to Tarsonis would take centuries or more.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:57 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Vague idea from some communications just before everything blew up?

He might have been able to get some signals from space gathered by rigging his gear up, which in the process fried it all by receiving the transmission.

Again, no space ships and transmissions to Tarsonis would take centuries or more.

Except through a portal of course... hmm
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Postby Rynagria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:57 pm

Hey Harb, the longer life and something about muscles work better. If they do live longer, do they also physically age slower as well, for example an Imperial citizen might be inter 20s but still look like they’re in their teens, or when in their 40s, the could easily be in their 30s.

Also, are we still going with the proposals of what the military equipment looks like? Since it seems that we’re going with a more futuristic looking arms for the military from Avalon is saying. The hyper advanced technology but they can only work under the most optimal battlefield conditions.

I’m just confused.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:00 pm

Rynagria wrote:Hey Harb, the longer life and something about muscles work better. If they do live longer, do they also physically age slower as well, for example an Imperial citizen might be inter 20s but still look like they’re in their teens, or when in their 40s, the could easily be in their 30s.

Also, are we still going with the proposals of what the military equipment looks like? Since it seems that we’re going with a more futuristic looking arms for the military from Avalon is saying. The hyper advanced technology but they can only work under the most optimal battlefield conditions.

I’m just confused.

I ain't the one saying the advanced stuff, you were saying it made no sense how we defeated a planet spanning force with all sorts of munitions and weapons.
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:03 pm

Rynagria wrote:Hey Harb, the longer life and something about muscles work better. If they do live longer, do they also physically age slower as well, for example an Imperial citizen might be inter 20s but still look like they’re in their teens, or when in their 40s, the could easily be in their 30s.

Also, are we still going with the proposals of what the military equipment looks like? Since it seems that we’re going with a more futuristic looking arms for the military from Avalon is saying. The hyper advanced technology but they can only work under the most optimal battlefield conditions.

I’m just confused.


We're still going with your asthetics :)



And yes that would be the case; Tarsonites would look younger then they actually are.

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Rynagria wrote:Hey Harb, the longer life and something about muscles work better. If they do live longer, do they also physically age slower as well, for example an Imperial citizen might be inter 20s but still look like they’re in their teens, or when in their 40s, the could easily be in their 30s.

Also, are we still going with the proposals of what the military equipment looks like? Since it seems that we’re going with a more futuristic looking arms for the military from Avalon is saying. The hyper advanced technology but they can only work under the most optimal battlefield conditions.

I’m just confused.

I ain't the one saying the advanced stuff, you were saying it made no sense how we defeated a planet spanning force with all sorts of munitions and weapons.


That's why it's become something like Dieselpunk / Steampunk but yes the technology is still an issue. Ryn's proposal was a way to have both something visually primative and advanced as you - I recall- wanted Sci-Fi and no fantasy.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:12 pm

It's why portals are machines, Tarsonis post global disaster (to have technology and primative tech) and why nothing supernatural is going on. Why the girls are just aliens, simply aliens rather then magical beings.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:14 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Rynagria wrote:Hey Harb, the longer life and something about muscles work better. If they do live longer, do they also physically age slower as well, for example an Imperial citizen might be inter 20s but still look like they’re in their teens, or when in their 40s, the could easily be in their 30s.

Also, are we still going with the proposals of what the military equipment looks like? Since it seems that we’re going with a more futuristic looking arms for the military from Avalon is saying. The hyper advanced technology but they can only work under the most optimal battlefield conditions.

I’m just confused.


We're still going with your asthetics :)



And yes that would be the case; Tarsonites would look younger then they actually are.

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:I ain't the one saying the advanced stuff, you were saying it made no sense how we defeated a planet spanning force with all sorts of munitions and weapons.


That's why it's become something like Dieselpunk / Steampunk but yes the technology is still an issue. Ryn's proposal was a way to have both something visually primative and advanced as you - I recall- wanted Sci-Fi and no fantasy.

I was just saying if we do the magic and stuff to make it make sense, none of this Harry Potter *poof* and everything happens, like, observe the Conservation of Matter and Energy, obey the Laws of Physics. That was all I had been saying.

Steam/Dieselpunk sounds really awesome, but it almost sounds like using WWI equipment in the Second World War, or still using swords in modern warfare, like - I suppose it could work if given proper thought and planning, but it naturally seems rather disadvantaged. Steampunk as I understand is Victorian and Dieselpunk is 1940's or so, right? Looks awesome, it is just that those time periods were much different in war.

Victorian era warfare was no mobile by any means, and was still pretty line warfare centric due to the increased effort output of the line volley fire method. WWII things were a lot more small scale warfare minded, communication was still kind of a pain though, and if I remember this is the last real era where commanders were directly on the battlefield with their troops. I could be wrong, this could be the first real start to staying several miles to a continent away from the front lines, I just know Patton and MacArthur are known for being out there among several other officers on all sides.
Global War on Crime
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
|____|
Order of the Purple Cross
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Al-Khalifiya Campaign
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Arabic Spain Remembrance
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Aravean Liberation
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Magian Defense
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:16 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Harbertia wrote:
We're still going with your asthetics :)



And yes that would be the case; Tarsonites would look younger then they actually are.



That's why it's become something like Dieselpunk / Steampunk but yes the technology is still an issue. Ryn's proposal was a way to have both something visually primative and advanced as you - I recall- wanted Sci-Fi and no fantasy.

I was just saying if we do the magic and stuff to make it make sense, none of this Harry Potter *poof* and everything happens, like, observe the Conservation of Matter and Energy, obey the Laws of Physics. That was all I had been saying.

Steam/Dieselpunk sounds really awesome, but it almost sounds like using WWI equipment in the Second World War, or still using swords in modern warfare, like - I suppose it could work if given proper thought and planning, but it naturally seems rather disadvantaged. Steampunk as I understand is Victorian and Dieselpunk is 1940's or so, right? Looks awesome, it is just that those time periods were much different in war.

Victorian era warfare was no mobile by any means, and was still pretty line warfare centric due to the increased effort output of the line volley fire method. WWII things were a lot more small scale warfare minded, communication was still kind of a pain though, and if I remember this is the last real era where commanders were directly on the battlefield with their troops. I could be wrong, this could be the first real start to staying several miles to a continent away from the front lines, I just know Patton and MacArthur are known for being out there among several other officers on all sides.

That's perfectly fine because the EMPIRE LOST!
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Postby Yellowstone- » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:17 pm

Why do most popular roleplays these days seem to be superhero ones?

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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:19 pm

*cooling down a bit*

Sorry, some conversations on the Paradox thread here on NS has gotten me- a bit combative :/

As I had stated I do feel magic should have rules and limitations based on physical laws but once you started talking about glands and machines I was like- oh sci fi.

I know Magicpunk is a thing; the type of thing where a phone is actually your voice being channeled through a dimension to the other end; by some slave spirit inside the device- but- oh yeah it's also the genre where magic is an unlimited power source for all machines but- I've not been into Magicpunk.

All it does is provide modern appliances with magical inner workings.
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Postby Rynagria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:20 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Rynagria wrote:Hey Harb, the longer life and something about muscles work better. If they do live longer, do they also physically age slower as well, for example an Imperial citizen might be inter 20s but still look like they’re in their teens, or when in their 40s, the could easily be in their 30s.

Also, are we still going with the proposals of what the military equipment looks like? Since it seems that we’re going with a more futuristic looking arms for the military from Avalon is saying. The hyper advanced technology but they can only work under the most optimal battlefield conditions.

I’m just confused.

I ain't the one saying the advanced stuff, you were saying it made no sense how we defeated a planet spanning force with all sorts of munitions and weapons.

What I was largely against was the idea of Empire being defeated in such a short time, I don’t care if they were regular military or special forces, given that the empire’s military has mostl likely had experience in tactics used by the forces of earth. They essentially become non-threats to Earth forces.

I’m not saying that they would steamroll Earth forces, excluding third world militaries, but I’m saying that they’re no pushover. The idea of quick defeat would sort of invalidate them as threats to Earth’s sovereignty. Time also allows for both sides to know more about the other, to which the empire stubborn in its ways, refuse to adapt to the changing tactics of Earth forces. While Earth assess its weaknesses and strengths, the commander of the Imperial forces do exactly what you say. Instead of reinforcing his frontline units, that are getting their asses kicked, with elite and special units, he’s just sending more bodies to the meat grinder.

And with time being a major part of the story, the fact that it’s not public.

I admit, you’re probably more knowledgeable in military affairs than I, I’m just a civvie that likes to play soldier from time to time.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:23 pm

Yellowstone- wrote:Why do most popular roleplays these days seem to be superhero ones?

Modern Setting = Familiarity

Character's provide an alternate ego for the players to dish out their version of justice- which is why most superhero RPs are vigilante based dark action adventures on NS.

The players can have powers they can't in real life.

The Superhero genre is trending in theaters.

The public needs a superman as most are or have lived through the dark times of the 2000s (2000-2009) and such experiences have shaped most of us. We like worlds where we can actually do something rather then living in fear of terror, the government, or our very neighbors.

The ability to relive highschool with powers rather then just awkward social life or being a freak due to something close to yourself; instead players get to experience highschool as a being that's more then they where.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:26 pm

Rynagria wrote:What I was largely against was the idea of Empire being defeated in such a short time, I don’t care if they were regular military or special forces, given that the empire’s military has mostl likely had experience in tactics used by the forces of earth. They essentially become non-threats to Earth forces.

I’m not saying that they would steamroll Earth forces, excluding third world militaries, but I’m saying that they’re no pushover. The idea of quick defeat would sort of invalidate them as threats to Earth’s sovereignty. Time also allows for both sides to know more about the other, to which the empire stubborn in its ways, refuse to adapt to the changing tactics of Earth forces. While Earth assess its weaknesses and strengths, the commander of the Imperial forces do exactly what you say. Instead of reinforcing his frontline units, that are getting their asses kicked, with elite and special units, he’s just sending more bodies to the meat grinder.

I feel this is a valid point Av.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:29 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:I was just saying if we do the magic and stuff to make it make sense, none of this Harry Potter *poof* and everything happens, like, observe the Conservation of Matter and Energy, obey the Laws of Physics. That was all I had been saying.

Steam/Dieselpunk sounds really awesome, but it almost sounds like using WWI equipment in the Second World War, or still using swords in modern warfare, like - I suppose it could work if given proper thought and planning, but it naturally seems rather disadvantaged. Steampunk as I understand is Victorian and Dieselpunk is 1940's or so, right? Looks awesome, it is just that those time periods were much different in war.

Victorian era warfare was no mobile by any means, and was still pretty line warfare centric due to the increased effort output of the line volley fire method. WWII things were a lot more small scale warfare minded, communication was still kind of a pain though, and if I remember this is the last real era where commanders were directly on the battlefield with their troops. I could be wrong, this could be the first real start to staying several miles to a continent away from the front lines, I just know Patton and MacArthur are known for being out there among several other officers on all sides.

That's perfectly fine because the EMPIRE LOST!

Then what was the big deal with the thirteen hour operation? No one was happy with the two hundred fifty some guys wiping out the force invading because it seemed so short - the defending force has homefield advantage, so while the Empire cannot bring big ol ICBMs and Cruise Missiles through the portal, there are a whole lot of those on Earth.

Whatever they bring through has to be mobile and thus likely not real beefy, stationary ones are going to do the job much better because they don't have to worry about mobility. Actually, there was a real interesting video comparing the U.S. military to the Imperial forces from Star Wars. Of course while spanning several planets the Imperial guys won in numbers, you scale it down to say the size of the armies they invaded with an things were different. That is just one military on Earth, now add in all of NATO, add in all of CSTO, factor in all the nations of the world and their might. A big massive universal force like the Empire from Star Wars, sure they'd probably win, at the very least eventually, but it would not be any cakewalk.

Open warfare that invading force is going to have to come in, while under fire, secure a forward operating base, and keep moving forward continuously while under nonstop threat of everything from basic warheads to the real crazy stuff like that Rods From God thing that the Air Force says is not true but they have a plane refueling something in orbit every once in awhile... Stuff like that, and while on Earth here we all have agreed via MAD to not use nukes, if aliens invaded people would be flipping out, especially if they started winning. Nuclear weapons "super weapons", they would not hold back because I am sure most would think it to be the end of the freaking world.
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
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Order of the Purple Cross
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Al-Khalifiya Campaign
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Aravean Liberation
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:42 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Rynagria wrote:What I was largely against was the idea of Empire being defeated in such a short time, I don’t care if they were regular military or special forces, given that the empire’s military has mostl likely had experience in tactics used by the forces of earth. They essentially become non-threats to Earth forces.

I’m not saying that they would steamroll Earth forces, excluding third world militaries, but I’m saying that they’re no pushover. The idea of quick defeat would sort of invalidate them as threats to Earth’s sovereignty. Time also allows for both sides to know more about the other, to which the empire stubborn in its ways, refuse to adapt to the changing tactics of Earth forces. While Earth assess its weaknesses and strengths, the commander of the Imperial forces do exactly what you say. Instead of reinforcing his frontline units, that are getting their asses kicked, with elite and special units, he’s just sending more bodies to the meat grinder.

I feel this is a valid point Av.

A battle is comprised of forces, their plans, and their location.

Thirteen hours is a long amount of time, an example - the Six Day War, Israel fought basically every single one of its neighbors and despite being outnumbered and on the defensive they came out on top by use of awesome strategy and stubborn willpower.

Given that they are steampunk or diesel, the same point roughly works up to the 40's, large unit tactics were favored, and while that is awesome for organizing a defensive because you need not be mobile or active and logistics are easier, on the offensive that is not so grand. Small unit tactics allow greater mobility and you can out maneuver the enemy. I don't know how punkish you want to go with their tech, but their communication gear would have to be at the least a reliable single person carried radio to permit the small unit tactics that their opponents would be utilizing.

Friendly fire was a major issue in the mid to late nineteenth century, Hell, I will admit my nerdiness - being out on a field with a bunch of dudes wearing sky blue as Confederates, you totally mistake them for Union and so do their team at times and they will get covered in burning powder. Reading the old papers that happened in the war also, and they could not yell over a radio like today and say they were friendly units to stop the barrage either. Point, communication by means of a guy, be he on a horse or a motorcycle, carrying a letter or order suuuuucks - especially when he gets shot by artillery and now the letter is lost, double screwed.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:43 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Harbertia wrote:That's perfectly fine because the EMPIRE LOST!

Then what was the big deal with the thirteen hour operation? No one was happy with the two hundred fifty some guys wiping out the force invading because it seemed so short - the defending force has homefield advantage, so while the Empire cannot bring big ol ICBMs and Cruise Missiles through the portal, there are a whole lot of those on Earth.

Whatever they bring through has to be mobile and thus likely not real beefy, stationary ones are going to do the job much better because they don't have to worry about mobility. Actually, there was a real interesting video comparing the U.S. military to the Imperial forces from Star Wars. Of course while spanning several planets the Imperial guys won in numbers, you scale it down to say the size of the armies they invaded with an things were different. That is just one military on Earth, now add in all of NATO, add in all of CSTO, factor in all the nations of the world and their might. A big massive universal force like the Empire from Star Wars, sure they'd probably win, at the very least eventually, but it would not be any cakewalk.

Open warfare that invading force is going to have to come in, while under fire, secure a forward operating base, and keep moving forward continuously while under nonstop threat of everything from basic warheads to the real crazy stuff like that Rods From God thing that the Air Force says is not true but they have a plane refueling something in orbit every once in awhile... Stuff like that, and while on Earth here we all have agreed via MAD to not use nukes, if aliens invaded people would be flipping out, especially if they started winning. Nuclear weapons "super weapons", they would not hold back because I am sure most would think it to be the end of the freaking world.

Based on the villains model, and him betraying the Emperor due to how many men where being lost in the invasion- for the Empire had never fought such advanced forced yet had numbers and that's what the Empire relied on- thus causing massive fatalities. Sure the general had lost men before but not entire- not entire armies and certainly not that rapidly only to constantly have new people under his command- old relationships severed by these locals- ties from a dozen or more campaigns- gone in this war with the Emperor stubbornly continuing to press the invasion.

It was no cakewalk which is why the General, after the Emperor fell in battle, began a retreat- presumably this would be going on when the portal was destroyed so likely a good number of aliens where left on Earth when the portal was destroyed.

The war has to be long enough for that to transpire or the Generals choice would have been the result of breaking pressure; and the daughters being on Earth would need some reason- no one would do that on the first day of invasion and certainly not when things where going poorly. There would of had to have been some long period of success- or stalemate- I think for the daughters to be present. Some period of security and some reason why they where not the first taken back during the retreat- there also needs to be a reason for the hiding.

... if they missed the retreat... or something else.

Like say the General presumed them lost and as agreed upon even after learning they where not he still holds onto power having lost loyalty to the Emperor or something- I do not know his mind very well.

In that scenario they'd have no reason not to trust him if their memories where restored... idk.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:53 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Then what was the big deal with the thirteen hour operation? No one was happy with the two hundred fifty some guys wiping out the force invading because it seemed so short - the defending force has homefield advantage, so while the Empire cannot bring big ol ICBMs and Cruise Missiles through the portal, there are a whole lot of those on Earth.

Whatever they bring through has to be mobile and thus likely not real beefy, stationary ones are going to do the job much better because they don't have to worry about mobility. Actually, there was a real interesting video comparing the U.S. military to the Imperial forces from Star Wars. Of course while spanning several planets the Imperial guys won in numbers, you scale it down to say the size of the armies they invaded with an things were different. That is just one military on Earth, now add in all of NATO, add in all of CSTO, factor in all the nations of the world and their might. A big massive universal force like the Empire from Star Wars, sure they'd probably win, at the very least eventually, but it would not be any cakewalk.

Open warfare that invading force is going to have to come in, while under fire, secure a forward operating base, and keep moving forward continuously while under nonstop threat of everything from basic warheads to the real crazy stuff like that Rods From God thing that the Air Force says is not true but they have a plane refueling something in orbit every once in awhile... Stuff like that, and while on Earth here we all have agreed via MAD to not use nukes, if aliens invaded people would be flipping out, especially if they started winning. Nuclear weapons "super weapons", they would not hold back because I am sure most would think it to be the end of the freaking world.

Based on the villains model, and him betraying the Emperor due to how many men where being lost in the invasion- for the Empire had never fought such advanced forced yet had numbers and that's what the Empire relied on- thus causing massive fatalities. Sure the general had lost men before but not entire- not entire armies and certainly not that rapidly only to constantly have new people under his command- old relationships severed by these locals- ties from a dozen or more campaigns- gone in this war with the Emperor stubbornly continuing to press the invasion.

It was no cakewalk which is why the General, after the Emperor fell in battle, began a retreat- presumably this would be going on when the portal was destroyed so likely a good number of aliens where left on Earth when the portal was destroyed.

The war has to be long enough for that to transpire or the Generals choice would have been the result of breaking pressure; and the daughters being on Earth would need some reason- no one would do that on the first day of invasion and certainly not when things where going poorly. There would of had to have been some long period of success- or stalemate- I think for the daughters to be present. Some period of security and some reason why they where not the first taken back during the retreat- there also needs to be a reason for the hiding.

... if they missed the retreat... or something else.

Like say the General presumed them lost and as agreed upon even after learning they where not he still holds onto power having lost loyalty to the Emperor or something- I do not know his mind very well.

In that scenario they'd have no reason not to trust him if their memories where restored... idk.

I suppose given how isolated the region they will be fighting in is, would three days do? The fighting would be light when they got there and then within the first two hours of arrival things go sideways for them when the SOFs start rolling in and really putting the pressure on. Seems like from the time a war breaks out in that region to the time it hits the news anywhere is a couple days. So theoretically if you managed to end the entire event and wipe it out in about three to four days, it would never make international media.

Also, dieselpunk would probably be better than steampunk, simply because wool uniforms are nice and flame resistant, but damn are they a pain in the ass in direct heat and sun. You will sweat yourself to death, they look nice though.
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Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Harbertia wrote:Based on the villains model, and him betraying the Emperor due to how many men where being lost in the invasion- for the Empire had never fought such advanced forced yet had numbers and that's what the Empire relied on- thus causing massive fatalities. Sure the general had lost men before but not entire- not entire armies and certainly not that rapidly only to constantly have new people under his command- old relationships severed by these locals- ties from a dozen or more campaigns- gone in this war with the Emperor stubbornly continuing to press the invasion.

It was no cakewalk which is why the General, after the Emperor fell in battle, began a retreat- presumably this would be going on when the portal was destroyed so likely a good number of aliens where left on Earth when the portal was destroyed.

The war has to be long enough for that to transpire or the Generals choice would have been the result of breaking pressure; and the daughters being on Earth would need some reason- no one would do that on the first day of invasion and certainly not when things where going poorly. There would of had to have been some long period of success- or stalemate- I think for the daughters to be present. Some period of security and some reason why they where not the first taken back during the retreat- there also needs to be a reason for the hiding.

... if they missed the retreat... or something else.

Like say the General presumed them lost and as agreed upon even after learning they where not he still holds onto power having lost loyalty to the Emperor or something- I do not know his mind very well.

In that scenario they'd have no reason not to trust him if their memories where restored... idk.

I suppose given how isolated the region they will be fighting in is, would three days do? The fighting would be light when they got there and then within the first two hours of arrival things go sideways for them when the SOFs start rolling in and really putting the pressure on. Seems like from the time a war breaks out in that region to the time it hits the news anywhere is a couple days. So theoretically if you managed to end the entire event and wipe it out in about three to four days, it would never make international media.

Also, dieselpunk would probably be better than steampunk, simply because wool uniforms are nice and flame resistant, but damn are they a pain in the ass in direct heat and sun. You will sweat yourself to death, they look nice though.

I ... can tell your not going to budge on the Short War vs Long War spectrum of discussion :(

eh.... so... what we where going for wit hthe Dieselpunk was something like WW1 (thus why I named both Steampunk and Dieselpunk). Thus we have the mixture of royals and WW2 aesthetics with traditional societies; and ofcourse the reluctance to adapt to conditons (it's something that hindered the Central Powers on the Eastern front- Austria-Hungary in that case. Germany was the first central power to change things up; it also unleashed gas onto the world. The mane who invented it- a jew- hoped it'd bring a short war. In irony- gas ended up being used by the Nazis in the camps against his own people.

But I diverge from the topic talking about that man. I was simply trying to press what Ryn stated about tactics possibly being a factor in the defeat as Earth certainly doesn't fight the way the Empire does.

It just leaves questions; about the girls, why would they be there? Why Avalon would the princesses be on a hostile world with defeat on the horizon?
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Postby Yellowstone- » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:45 pm

So who is joining the Gamma World RP?

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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:49 pm

Yellowstone- wrote:So who is joining the Gamma World RP?

hehhhahhah

Ya'll can see what I mean by Yellow being persistent :p
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:54 pm

Is this the face of the Conqueror of WORLD?
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*during his first conquest of course*
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