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Postby Harbertia » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:17 pm

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Shadowwell wrote:PF, since it seems that you are back for the moment, FLutterlands made an rp based off of Gotham the COming Storm and the NEw Gotham.

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If they are still looking for people to join, I'd love to play.

It's great to have you back PF ^_^
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Postby Harbertia » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:33 pm

Rynagria wrote:Hey Harb, I got an idea of mixing the both worlds of technological prowess. Make it somewhere in between, appearance of and culture of more akin to a WWI empire but higher tenchology.

Here is what their military would armed with. Keep in mind that it’s not finished yet and these pictures I just count off the Internet.

An Imgur album.

Bingellia wrote:On a slightly irrelevant note, the rifle you've selected reminds me faintly of the Lucius Pattern Lasgun from 40k. I love it and I think you succeeded at building the intended aesthetic.

This image solidified the aesthetic for me. We shall use this style for the Empire. It's got the right vibe- it reminds me of Darkvoid (for the PS3) :)
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Postby Harbertia » Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:04 pm

Bing and I have determined that to devise the backgrounds of the Princesses we'll need to know more about the Emperor so this is my present proposition for a profile on the former Conqueror of Worlds;

First the world he came from;
Image

Tarsonus was once a planet much like Earth inhabited by a near human species. At some point in it's past it was home to an advanced civilization that was desemated during the 'Reckoning' as it's known to modern Tarsonites. Waves of light flooded the world, the energy network was fried, and with it most of Tarsonite history was lost. These waves of light caused seas to evaporate and much vegetation to be lost- but the Tarsonites clung to what also survived. What ancient Tarsonite culture was like has largely been lost as too the names of what ever civilization or civilizations called it home before that event. From the fledgling tribes, and groups rose a culture that Earth has labeled 'Neo-Ottoman' with 'Eastern Asiatic Influences' which hint at least in a little of the planet's past. This culture was spread by a great conqueror who came to control the planet's water supply and with this control maintain power- but rebellions where frequent.

This conqueror is the ancestor of all the Emperors. Under the former Emperor Tarsonus began to become more cosmopolitan- with it's capital resembling a grand Turkish Bazzar with good from many worlds flowing to Tarsonus.


Emperor Kiale Dominerea was the first of his name. One of twelve sons Kiale began to seek his father's favor through swift action against rebel factions in the Tarsonite Empire. Though a military excursion into the Southern Wastes Kaile's forces discovered 'the compound' where in lay a portal. Keeping this a secret lest his brothers learn of it Kiale began rounding up 'Wizards' from his military district to examine the relic of the old world. When word that their brother was rounding up Wizards reached their ears Kiale's siblings knew he had found something. Not one to give them an any lift or hand Kiale upon learning that they'd be traveling to his district intimidated the Wizards into rushing the project- and opened the portal. There he came to a realm of 'Witches' and knew he at last had the upper hand. Enlisting the aid of these 'Witches' Kiale trapped his brothers in a canyon and burred them there before marching towards the capital. When he arrived he found that his father had already died and he himself was to be made Emperor without further show of force. Kiale knew he owed the 'Witches' a favor, and he had already gotten close to the heart of one- to free himself of these favors he sent his forces upon the Witch World and subdued it- putting his first wife upon that world's throne. Yet he was afflicted- cursed by this action- to have no sons of his own.

Kiale believed not initially in this curse; seeing it as one old woman's attempt at intimidating him. He knew the 'Witch' magic was akin to the technology of the old world- what sorcery could afflict him with such a condition he knew not. The Witches where able to provide the empire with a greater revival of the old technology and help Tarsonites rediscover the power of the ancients; but the Witch World began to suffer. The fertile land and waters where raped for the benefit of Tarsonus- and the Empire now- in it's state of growth- needed more.

Thus began the next conquest, and the next- each time the Emperor took another wife seeking to find one to bear him a son but each time evidence of this affliction was all that spawned.


Even if the above is good I'd like it expanded; and if anyone has ideas- altered as well :)
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Postby Rynagria » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:48 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Rynagria wrote:Hey Harb, I got an idea of mixing the both worlds of technological prowess. Make it somewhere in between, appearance of and culture of more akin to a WWI empire but higher tenchology.

Here is what their military would armed with. Keep in mind that it’s not finished yet and these pictures I just count off the Internet.

An Imgur album.

Bingellia wrote:On a slightly irrelevant note, the rifle you've selected reminds me faintly of the Lucius Pattern Lasgun from 40k. I love it and I think you succeeded at building the intended aesthetic.

This image solidified the aesthetic for me. We shall use this style for the Empire. It's got the right vibe- it reminds me of Darkvoid (for the PS3) :)

Glad to have made the appealing choices.

But I have some questions regarding the portals. Does it have to be constructed or what? Does the empire have some machine to open portals? At the same time, if they didn’t build it and was opened, how was it destroyed with explosives? Two conclusions I come to is that if the portal was blown up, it was created by physical generator or that the Empire does have a machine but the large explosion set off near it caused the particles or whatever to destabilize and shut down the portal.

Thoughts?

Also, for the history of the planet and some of its Emperors it’s good.
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Postby Bingellia » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:53 pm

Harbertia wrote:Bing and I have determined that to devise the backgrounds of the Princesses we'll need to know more about the Emperor so this is my present proposition for a profile on the former Conqueror of Worlds;

First the world he came from;
(Image)

Tarsonus was once a planet much like Earth inhabited by a near human species. At some point in it's past it was home to an advanced civilization that was desemated during the 'Reckoning' as it's known to modern Tarsonites. Waves of light flooded the world, the energy network was fried, and with it most of Tarsonite history was lost. These waves of light caused seas to evaporate and much vegetation to be lost- but the Tarsonites clung to what also survived. What ancient Tarsonite culture was like has largely been lost as too the names of what ever civilization or civilizations called it home before that event. From the fledgling tribes, and groups rose a culture that Earth has labeled 'Neo-Ottoman' with 'Eastern Asiatic Influences' which hint at least in a little of the planet's past. This culture was spread by a great conqueror who came to control the planet's water supply and with this control maintain power- but rebellions where frequent.

This conqueror is the ancestor of all the Emperors. Under the former Emperor Tarsonus began to become more cosmopolitan- with it's capital resembling a grand Turkish Bazzar with good from many worlds flowing to Tarsonus.


Emperor Kiale Dominerea was the first of his name. One of twelve sons Kiale began to seek his father's favor through swift action against rebel factions in the Tarsonite Empire. Though a military excursion into the Southern Wastes Kaile's forces discovered 'the compound' where in lay a portal. Keeping this a secret lest his brothers learn of it Kiale began rounding up 'Wizards' from his military district to examine the relic of the old world. When word that their brother was rounding up Wizards reached their ears Kiale's siblings knew he had found something. Not one to give them an any lift or hand Kiale upon learning that they'd be traveling to his district intimidated the Wizards into rushing the project- and opened the portal. There he came to a realm of 'Witches' and knew he at last had the upper hand. Enlisting the aid of these 'Witches' Kiale trapped his brothers in a canyon and burred them there before marching towards the capital. When he arrived he found that his father had already died and he himself was to be made Emperor without further show of force. Kiale knew he owed the 'Witches' a favor, and he had already gotten close to the heart of one- to free himself of these favors he sent his forces upon the Witch World and subdued it- putting his first wife upon that world's throne. Yet he was afflicted- cursed by this action- to have no sons of his own.

Kiale believed not initially in this curse; seeing it as one old woman's attempt at intimidating him. He knew the 'Witch' magic was akin to the technology of the old world- what sorcery could afflict him with such a condition he knew not. The Witches where able to provide the empire with a greater revival of the old technology and help Tarsonites rediscover the power of the ancients; but the Witch World began to suffer. The fertile land and waters where raped for the benefit of Tarsonus- and the Empire now- in it's state of growth- needed more.

Thus began the next conquest, and the next- each time the Emperor took another wife seeking to find one to bear him a son but each time evidence of this affliction was all that spawned.


Even if the above is good I'd like it expanded; and if anyone has ideas- altered as well :)


You mentioned that the Empire has a Turkic feel to it. The Ottoman Turks held on to their empire until after the war so it shouldn't to hard to find descriptions of Constantinople or Ankara from the period, assuming sufficient heavy industry exists in the capital city. Equipment has to come from somewhere. Constantinople/Istanbul may fit well since you've described the city as a Bazaar as Constantinople's unique position ensured that it would be a bustling center of trade.

For the Emperor, I'm going to pose questions instead. How unabashedly imperialistic is he? What's the role of faith in the Empire and the Conquests? Is it a tolerant empire or xenophobic? That's perhaps the most important question given that the empire's age left no time for assimilation between conquests? What kept the new territory in line during expansion? Direct rule through fear is different then a decentralized government. Does he resent his daughters when he should be grooming one for ruler-ship or does he push for a form of cognatic succession, trying to do his best to prepare for the inevitable?
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Postby Harbertia » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:57 pm

Rynagria wrote:
Harbertia wrote:
This image solidified the aesthetic for me. We shall use this style for the Empire. It's got the right vibe- it reminds me of Darkvoid (for the PS3) :)

Glad to have made the appealing choices.

But I have some questions regarding the portals. Does it have to be constructed or what? Does the empire have some machine to open portals? At the same time, if they didn’t build it and was opened, how was it destroyed with explosives? Two conclusions I come to is that if the portal was blown up, it was created by physical generator or that the Empire does have a machine but the large explosion set off near it caused the particles or whatever to destabilize and shut down the portal.

Thoughts?

Also, for the history of the planet and some of its Emperors it’s good.


The Empire does require a generator to open and close portals and presumably can build more however it doesn't need one at the point of destination. As such the explosives would have destabilized the portal and caused 'particle feedback' damaging the generator thus preventing another from being opened for some time- since the portals are instant in travel the explosion would have entered the generations chamber killing operators and damaging the machine.

Bingellia wrote:
Harbertia wrote:Bing and I have determined that to devise the backgrounds of the Princesses we'll need to know more about the Emperor so this is my present proposition for a profile on the former Conqueror of Worlds;

First the world he came from;
(Image)

Tarsonus was once a planet much like Earth inhabited by a near human species. At some point in it's past it was home to an advanced civilization that was desemated during the 'Reckoning' as it's known to modern Tarsonites. Waves of light flooded the world, the energy network was fried, and with it most of Tarsonite history was lost. These waves of light caused seas to evaporate and much vegetation to be lost- but the Tarsonites clung to what also survived. What ancient Tarsonite culture was like has largely been lost as too the names of what ever civilization or civilizations called it home before that event. From the fledgling tribes, and groups rose a culture that Earth has labeled 'Neo-Ottoman' with 'Eastern Asiatic Influences' which hint at least in a little of the planet's past. This culture was spread by a great conqueror who came to control the planet's water supply and with this control maintain power- but rebellions where frequent.

This conqueror is the ancestor of all the Emperors. Under the former Emperor Tarsonus began to become more cosmopolitan- with it's capital resembling a grand Turkish Bazzar with good from many worlds flowing to Tarsonus.


Emperor Kiale Dominerea was the first of his name. One of twelve sons Kiale began to seek his father's favor through swift action against rebel factions in the Tarsonite Empire. Though a military excursion into the Southern Wastes Kaile's forces discovered 'the compound' where in lay a portal. Keeping this a secret lest his brothers learn of it Kiale began rounding up 'Wizards' from his military district to examine the relic of the old world. When word that their brother was rounding up Wizards reached their ears Kiale's siblings knew he had found something. Not one to give them an any lift or hand Kiale upon learning that they'd be traveling to his district intimidated the Wizards into rushing the project- and opened the portal. There he came to a realm of 'Witches' and knew he at last had the upper hand. Enlisting the aid of these 'Witches' Kiale trapped his brothers in a canyon and burred them there before marching towards the capital. When he arrived he found that his father had already died and he himself was to be made Emperor without further show of force. Kiale knew he owed the 'Witches' a favor, and he had already gotten close to the heart of one- to free himself of these favors he sent his forces upon the Witch World and subdued it- putting his first wife upon that world's throne. Yet he was afflicted- cursed by this action- to have no sons of his own.

Kiale believed not initially in this curse; seeing it as one old woman's attempt at intimidating him. He knew the 'Witch' magic was akin to the technology of the old world- what sorcery could afflict him with such a condition he knew not. The Witches where able to provide the empire with a greater revival of the old technology and help Tarsonites rediscover the power of the ancients; but the Witch World began to suffer. The fertile land and waters where raped for the benefit of Tarsonus- and the Empire now- in it's state of growth- needed more.

Thus began the next conquest, and the next- each time the Emperor took another wife seeking to find one to bear him a son but each time evidence of this affliction was all that spawned.


Even if the above is good I'd like it expanded; and if anyone has ideas- altered as well :)


You mentioned that the Empire has a Turkic feel to it. The Ottoman Turks held on to their empire until after the war so it shouldn't to hard to find descriptions of Constantinople or Ankara from the period, assuming sufficient heavy industry exists in the capital city. Equipment has to come from somewhere. Constantinople/Istanbul may fit well since you've described the city as a Bazaar as Constantinople's unique position ensured that it would be a bustling center of trade.

For the Emperor, I'm going to pose questions instead. How unabashedly imperialistic is he? What's the role of faith in the Empire and the Conquests? Is it a tolerant empire or xenophobic? That's perhaps the most important question given that the empire's age left no time for assimilation between conquests? What kept the new territory in line during expansion? Direct rule through fear is different then a decentralized government. Does he resent his daughters when he should be grooming one for ruler-ship or does he push for a form of cognatic succession, trying to do his best to prepare for the inevitable?

I've considered the prospect that - since this character has conquered many worlds that perhaps his people; these near humans- due to something from the world's past long forgotten- live a very long time. A long lifespan may perhaps explain why social change is slow in the empire and traditions held longer as such can be observed in nations with longer average life spans.

If that's not appealing the father could be the third expansionist of this Empire but the idea of a long lived conqueror of planets is appealing.

I'd say he initially expanded to free himself of the favor, then to provide for the population, before coming to conquer due to his affliction, only to latter come to realize that he is indeed cursed. I'd say that by that point he'd have started examining his daughters for potential Empresses and working on altering the rules of succession- for our story to work we know he succeeded through by imperial decree or other methods yet never named a successor- as such the sisters are going to have to navigate these succession laws- which likely involve some combat between contenders- Tarsonis was a world ruled by force and thus it would prize a ruler with the strength to fight, and the cunning to win.

The Empire build by Kiale kept order through the vassalage of worlds. Each was ruled by one of the Emperor's many wives (our character's mothers) whom came from the world it's self and where selected from prominent royals and in the absence of royalty on worlds conquered then from families of keen influence. They where permitted a personal guard but the Empire handled the naval, airforce, and military of the common state. Taking away the planet's primary power to resist. With such forces the Empire maintained it's control much as the Empire did on Tarsonis.

Idealling Kiale desired his dynasty to sit upon the high thrones of these worlds- but never having a son (and killing his brothers) has made it so his dynasty's name will die with him.

The vassals where permitted to continue local traditions, and matters of culture. Much like Gehghis Khan's Empire the main religion of the Empire is that of Tarsonis but those under the Empire are not made to convert as the Tarsonis faith believes the following;

The Universe has a supreme creator spirit who put upon the worlds princes to administer creation. As such they believe that all gods exist; but not all gods are universal. They believe that monotheistic faiths are referring to the Creator Spirit be it the spirit's light or shadow cast by that light and that the polythiestic ones are focusing on the princes and have neglected the creator. They believe that one's after life is tied to where one dies and that the local spirits will take one's soul where they please.

As such the fact that the Emperor was killed on Earth, of which the Empire knows little- is concerning. Rather then a death on Tarsonis some alien spirits now have his soul- furthering the hysteria brought on by the defeat.

Technically, the fact that the daughters of these vessels lived with the Emperor is part of keeping those worlds in line. I'm sure none of our characters ever wanted to be held hostage or worse due to something their distant mothers decided to do.

When said vassals came to pay the Emperor tribute or entertain him with their personal presence in his chambers would perhaps be the few times our characters met them.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:00 pm

Yellowstone- wrote:Hello

Hey Yellow :) A surprise seeing you here. This is the Titans; an RP group that was established in 2013. Your most welcomed to join us.

Everyone, this is Yellow- he joined the current Sentient Nature RP but- to say as little as possible- his chacter didn't suit the lore parameters of the setting but somehow or another due to this persistence I decided to start an RP where he can play a sentient scorpion.

In doing so I have launched another Gamma World RP and the two of us have decided to allow up to two others to join us.

He's very new to RPing on NS so any help ya'll can send his way in the endeavor of improving his talent is also welcomed. At times I think I become harsh. Weither that is true or not it's how I feel at times; so other mentorships are I'm certain appreciated.
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Welcome to the party, Yellowstone, hope you enjoy it here.
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Postby Rynagria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:09 pm

Always good to have see new faces. Nice to meet you.
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Postby Rynagria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:23 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Rynagria wrote:Glad to have made the appealing choices.

But I have some questions regarding the portals. Does it have to be constructed or what? Does the empire have some machine to open portals? At the same time, if they didn’t build it and was opened, how was it destroyed with explosives? Two conclusions I come to is that if the portal was blown up, it was created by physical generator or that the Empire does have a machine but the large explosion set off near it caused the particles or whatever to destabilize and shut down the portal.

Thoughts?

Also, for the history of the planet and some of its Emperors it’s good.


The Empire does require a generator to open and close portals and presumably can build more however it doesn't need one at the point of destination. As such the explosives would have destabilized the portal and caused 'particle feedback' damaging the generator thus preventing another from being opened for some time- since the portals are instant in travel the explosion would have entered the generations chamber killing operators and damaging the machine.

Bingellia wrote:
You mentioned that the Empire has a Turkic feel to it. The Ottoman Turks held on to their empire until after the war so it shouldn't to hard to find descriptions of Constantinople or Ankara from the period, assuming sufficient heavy industry exists in the capital city. Equipment has to come from somewhere. Constantinople/Istanbul may fit well since you've described the city as a Bazaar as Constantinople's unique position ensured that it would be a bustling center of trade.

For the Emperor, I'm going to pose questions instead. How unabashedly imperialistic is he? What's the role of faith in the Empire and the Conquests? Is it a tolerant empire or xenophobic? That's perhaps the most important question given that the empire's age left no time for assimilation between conquests? What kept the new territory in line during expansion? Direct rule through fear is different then a decentralized government. Does he resent his daughters when he should be grooming one for ruler-ship or does he push for a form of cognatic succession, trying to do his best to prepare for the inevitable?

I've considered the prospect that - since this character has conquered many worlds that perhaps his people; these near humans- due to something from the world's past long forgotten- live a very long time. A long lifespan may perhaps explain why social change is slow in the empire and traditions held longer as such can be observed in nations with longer average life spans.

If that's not appealing the father could be the third expansionist of this Empire but the idea of a long lived conqueror of planets is appealing.

I'd say he initially expanded to free himself of the favor, then to provide for the population, before coming to conquer due to his affliction, only to latter come to realize that he is indeed cursed. I'd say that by that point he'd have started examining his daughters for potential Empresses and working on altering the rules of succession- for our story to work we know he succeeded through by imperial decree or other methods yet never named a successor- as such the sisters are going to have to navigate these succession laws- which likely involve some combat between contenders- Tarsonis was a world ruled by force and thus it would prize a ruler with the strength to fight, and the cunning to win.

The Empire build by Kiale kept order through the vassalage of worlds. Each was ruled by one of the Emperor's many wives (our character's mothers) whom came from the world it's self and where selected from prominent royals and in the absence of royalty on worlds conquered then from families of keen influence. They where permitted a personal guard but the Empire handled the naval, airforce, and military of the common state. Taking away the planet's primary power to resist. With such forces the Empire maintained it's control much as the Empire did on Tarsonis.

Idealling Kiale desired his dynasty to sit upon the high thrones of these worlds- but never having a son (and killing his brothers) has made it so his dynasty's name will die with him.

The vassals where permitted to continue local traditions, and matters of culture. Much like Gehghis Khan's Empire the main religion of the Empire is that of Tarsonis but those under the Empire are not made to convert as the Tarsonis faith believes the following;

The Universe has a supreme creator spirit who put upon the worlds princes to administer creation. As such they believe that all gods exist; but not all gods are universal. They believe that monotheistic faiths are referring to the Creator Spirit be it the spirit's light or shadow cast by that light and that the polythiestic ones are focusing on the princes and have neglected the creator. They believe that one's after life is tied to where one dies and that the local spirits will take one's soul where they please.

As such the fact that the Emperor was killed on Earth, of which the Empire knows little- is concerning. Rather then a death on Tarsonis some alien spirits now have his soul- furthering the hysteria brought on by the defeat.

Technically, the fact that the daughters of these vessels lived with the Emperor is part of keeping those worlds in line. I'm sure none of our characters ever wanted to be held hostage or worse due to something their distant mothers decided to do.

When said vassals came to pay the Emperor tribute or entertain him with their personal presence in his chambers would perhaps be the few times our characters met them.

Got it, that would mean the secondary or immediate objective after reuniting most of not all of the empire is to restore or build the portal generator. That make sense, it would also give time for the villain to ramp up productions of military technology and equipment.

So Emperor died on Earth? And due to this belief, imperial citizens are distraught of the alien spirits now holding his soul or whatever. To also summarize, the entirety of the empire is kept under control of force, but from what I read it doesn’t seem to be overbearing force. Probably patrols in an occupied area, only really get serious if there was an attempt of rebellion.... What did the wives do or influential families after learning the death of the Emperor? How many of the princesses are still within the Empire? Did they all join the trip to Earth or what?

This is more of a question of Avalon, since he seems to be in charge of the Earth front, but... How exactly was the battle (is it even a war that occurred there?) covered up? How many hours or days did it last, since I doubt it would have taken months and a successful cover up was accomplished for a conflict that lasted so long. Where did it also take place, somewhere really secluded like a whole abandoned city, near an active modern city? Was it a series of skirmishes all around the world or there was one huge fight or both? I’d like to know.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:42 pm

Rynagria wrote:
Harbertia wrote:
The Empire does require a generator to open and close portals and presumably can build more however it doesn't need one at the point of destination. As such the explosives would have destabilized the portal and caused 'particle feedback' damaging the generator thus preventing another from being opened for some time- since the portals are instant in travel the explosion would have entered the generations chamber killing operators and damaging the machine.


I've considered the prospect that - since this character has conquered many worlds that perhaps his people; these near humans- due to something from the world's past long forgotten- live a very long time. A long lifespan may perhaps explain why social change is slow in the empire and traditions held longer as such can be observed in nations with longer average life spans.

If that's not appealing the father could be the third expansionist of this Empire but the idea of a long lived conqueror of planets is appealing.

I'd say he initially expanded to free himself of the favor, then to provide for the population, before coming to conquer due to his affliction, only to latter come to realize that he is indeed cursed. I'd say that by that point he'd have started examining his daughters for potential Empresses and working on altering the rules of succession- for our story to work we know he succeeded through by imperial decree or other methods yet never named a successor- as such the sisters are going to have to navigate these succession laws- which likely involve some combat between contenders- Tarsonis was a world ruled by force and thus it would prize a ruler with the strength to fight, and the cunning to win.

The Empire build by Kiale kept order through the vassalage of worlds. Each was ruled by one of the Emperor's many wives (our character's mothers) whom came from the world it's self and where selected from prominent royals and in the absence of royalty on worlds conquered then from families of keen influence. They where permitted a personal guard but the Empire handled the naval, airforce, and military of the common state. Taking away the planet's primary power to resist. With such forces the Empire maintained it's control much as the Empire did on Tarsonis.

Idealling Kiale desired his dynasty to sit upon the high thrones of these worlds- but never having a son (and killing his brothers) has made it so his dynasty's name will die with him.

The vassals where permitted to continue local traditions, and matters of culture. Much like Gehghis Khan's Empire the main religion of the Empire is that of Tarsonis but those under the Empire are not made to convert as the Tarsonis faith believes the following;

The Universe has a supreme creator spirit who put upon the worlds princes to administer creation. As such they believe that all gods exist; but not all gods are universal. They believe that monotheistic faiths are referring to the Creator Spirit be it the spirit's light or shadow cast by that light and that the polythiestic ones are focusing on the princes and have neglected the creator. They believe that one's after life is tied to where one dies and that the local spirits will take one's soul where they please.

As such the fact that the Emperor was killed on Earth, of which the Empire knows little- is concerning. Rather then a death on Tarsonis some alien spirits now have his soul- furthering the hysteria brought on by the defeat.

Technically, the fact that the daughters of these vessels lived with the Emperor is part of keeping those worlds in line. I'm sure none of our characters ever wanted to be held hostage or worse due to something their distant mothers decided to do.

When said vassals came to pay the Emperor tribute or entertain him with their personal presence in his chambers would perhaps be the few times our characters met them.

Got it, that would mean the secondary or immediate objective after reuniting most of not all of the empire is to restore or build the portal generator. That make sense, it would also give time for the villain to ramp up productions of military technology and equipment.

So Emperor died on Earth? And due to this belief, imperial citizens are distraught of the alien spirits now holding his soul or whatever. To also summarize, the entirety of the empire is kept under control of force, but from what I read it doesn’t seem to be overbearing force. Probably patrols in an occupied area, only really get serious if there was an attempt of rebellion.... What did the wives do or influential families after learning the death of the Emperor? How many of the princesses are still within the Empire? Did they all join the trip to Earth or what?

This is more of a question of Avalon, since he seems to be in charge of the Earth front, but... How exactly was the battle (is it even a war that occurred there?) covered up? How many hours or days did it last, since I doubt it would have taken months and a successful cover up was accomplished for a conflict that lasted so long. Where did it also take place, somewhere really secluded like a whole abandoned city, near an active modern city? Was it a series of skirmishes all around the world or there was one huge fight or both? I’d like to know.

Well... the initial idea was a long invassion; which couldn't have been covered up- I had in mind that some major cities where hit and that the Emperor had been on Earth for some time- even establishing an administrative palace on Earth close to the initial invasion site. It wouldn't have been much- more like a summer palace.

Though.... I still had the invaders lose and back then didn't have a lot of details on how. But now that it's become one portal, and a quick war I'm at a lose as to how the princesses got on Earth. The only thing I can think of in the scenario is if the girls where expected to lead troops during the attack or where tasked with administrating occupied areas- but again a short war so the former (leading troops) is the only thing I can think of.

Last I heard from Avalon the invasion started in I think Chad (Africa) and was one portal.

I do believe you are right about how the empire is held together; it's be force but not overbearing save in areas of rebellion.

I suppose after the Emperor's death the Wives would tried to solidify the independence of their worlds; likely causing the Empire to shatter and being treated as rebellion by the main villain (for all the wives know their daughters have been lost so nothing is really tying them to the Empire any longer).

As for all being on Earth or some- I suppose that will depend on Avalon's input.
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The Empire does require a generator to open and close portals and presumably can build more however it doesn't need one at the point of destination. As such the explosives would have destabilized the portal and caused 'particle feedback' damaging the generator thus preventing another from being opened for some time- since the portals are instant in travel the explosion would have entered the generations chamber killing operators and damaging the machine.


I've considered the prospect that - since this character has conquered many worlds that perhaps his people; these near humans- due to something from the world's past long forgotten- live a very long time. A long lifespan may perhaps explain why social change is slow in the empire and traditions held longer as such can be observed in nations with longer average life spans.

If that's not appealing the father could be the third expansionist of this Empire but the idea of a long lived conqueror of planets is appealing.

I'd say he initially expanded to free himself of the favor, then to provide for the population, before coming to conquer due to his affliction, only to latter come to realize that he is indeed cursed. I'd say that by that point he'd have started examining his daughters for potential Empresses and working on altering the rules of succession- for our story to work we know he succeeded through by imperial decree or other methods yet never named a successor- as such the sisters are going to have to navigate these succession laws- which likely involve some combat between contenders- Tarsonis was a world ruled by force and thus it would prize a ruler with the strength to fight, and the cunning to win.

The Empire build by Kiale kept order through the vassalage of worlds. Each was ruled by one of the Emperor's many wives (our character's mothers) whom came from the world it's self and where selected from prominent royals and in the absence of royalty on worlds conquered then from families of keen influence. They where permitted a personal guard but the Empire handled the naval, airforce, and military of the common state. Taking away the planet's primary power to resist. With such forces the Empire maintained it's control much as the Empire did on Tarsonis.

Idealling Kiale desired his dynasty to sit upon the high thrones of these worlds- but never having a son (and killing his brothers) has made it so his dynasty's name will die with him.

The vassals where permitted to continue local traditions, and matters of culture. Much like Gehghis Khan's Empire the main religion of the Empire is that of Tarsonis but those under the Empire are not made to convert as the Tarsonis faith believes the following;

The Universe has a supreme creator spirit who put upon the worlds princes to administer creation. As such they believe that all gods exist; but not all gods are universal. They believe that monotheistic faiths are referring to the Creator Spirit be it the spirit's light or shadow cast by that light and that the polythiestic ones are focusing on the princes and have neglected the creator. They believe that one's after life is tied to where one dies and that the local spirits will take one's soul where they please.

As such the fact that the Emperor was killed on Earth, of which the Empire knows little- is concerning. Rather then a death on Tarsonis some alien spirits now have his soul- furthering the hysteria brought on by the defeat.

Technically, the fact that the daughters of these vessels lived with the Emperor is part of keeping those worlds in line. I'm sure none of our characters ever wanted to be held hostage or worse due to something their distant mothers decided to do.

When said vassals came to pay the Emperor tribute or entertain him with their personal presence in his chambers would perhaps be the few times our characters met them.

Got it, that would mean the secondary or immediate objective after reuniting most of not all of the empire is to restore or build the portal generator. That make sense, it would also give time for the villain to ramp up productions of military technology and equipment.

So Emperor died on Earth? And due to this belief, imperial citizens are distraught of the alien spirits now holding his soul or whatever. To also summarize, the entirety of the empire is kept under control of force, but from what I read it doesn’t seem to be overbearing force. Probably patrols in an occupied area, only really get serious if there was an attempt of rebellion.... What did the wives do or influential families after learning the death of the Emperor? How many of the princesses are still within the Empire? Did they all join the trip to Earth or what?

This is more of a question of Avalon, since he seems to be in charge of the Earth front, but... How exactly was the battle (is it even a war that occurred there?) covered up? How many hours or days did it last, since I doubt it would have taken months and a successful cover up was accomplished for a conflict that lasted so long. Where did it also take place, somewhere really secluded like a whole abandoned city, near an active modern city? Was it a series of skirmishes all around the world or there was one huge fight or both? I’d like to know.

My thought is that the portal opens up in Sudan, thus the Empire comes through that (Nothing major is going on in Sudan right now and I am not too sure if they have tons of internet service? So it seems to be rather isolated still) and sets up a forward operating base.

Systems are set off from Washington to Moscow to Beijing and each power calls one another, not believing it was none of them they send in teams. Thus you have a series of black chopper riding SOFs land in Sudan to investigate as the local militias and national forces are no match for the Empire.

Awesome thing about highly technical equipment is the ease it makes, downfall? If your rely on it and someone disables it, you are screwed. Thus our spec ops guys get clearance from their home nations to engage or go AWOL to do so and initiate guerilla warfare. Think of it kind like Ghost Recon Wildlands? They are all in Sudan, and begin finding one another, slowly forming a coalition. Now, question is what kept the Empire from expanding passed this area... perhaps they are waiting for something; what would halt further expansion? They await the personal arrival of the Emperor there that he may see the new territory of the empire? Or they can be busy with something else, finding resources might work.

Could they have come to Earth for some rare resource no longer on their planet?

Either way, once the teams all form one large coalition against the Empire they coordinate and strike, using all means available to them there end up being soldiers vanishing into the jungles, whole bases burned to ash. Funny thing about jungles is that they are the great equalizer. Technological gear seems to utterly crap itself when it gets surrounded by trees, mud, and animals. So considering stepping anywhere in the forest results in death by Punji pit and similar horrible scenarios the aliens for the first several hours do not leave the FOB until forces specifically designed to deal with that kind of thing can come in and handle it.

They make themselves sitting ducks in doing so, and while they wait they are watched, massive amounts of intel gathered and collected. There may be a dragon in the field, but in the trees there are nothing but tigers waiting to strike. Using their same hidden tactics the cohesive forces engage their plan, they make two hundred fifty men seem like entire armies. While the main force distracts the invaders by making them believe they are pinned down by a much larger force a small contingent sneaks around to this "portal" in hopes of disabling it and wiping out the enemy. They strap their packed explosives to it to no avail. Now the enemy knows they are there and they have to improvise fast. One of the guys sees how the big thing works and begins to reengineer it to destabilize and dump all that energy outward in an improvised weapon of mass destruction. The last signal sent from the area before the detonation is several men in an assortment of languages solemnly cheering "Victory" before it blows.

The world is left to mourn these men without even knowing it. Thirteen hours of Hell.
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Postby Rynagria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:25 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Rynagria wrote:Got it, that would mean the secondary or immediate objective after reuniting most of not all of the empire is to restore or build the portal generator. That make sense, it would also give time for the villain to ramp up productions of military technology and equipment.

So Emperor died on Earth? And due to this belief, imperial citizens are distraught of the alien spirits now holding his soul or whatever. To also summarize, the entirety of the empire is kept under control of force, but from what I read it doesn’t seem to be overbearing force. Probably patrols in an occupied area, only really get serious if there was an attempt of rebellion.... What did the wives do or influential families after learning the death of the Emperor? How many of the princesses are still within the Empire? Did they all join the trip to Earth or what?

This is more of a question of Avalon, since he seems to be in charge of the Earth front, but... How exactly was the battle (is it even a war that occurred there?) covered up? How many hours or days did it last, since I doubt it would have taken months and a successful cover up was accomplished for a conflict that lasted so long. Where did it also take place, somewhere really secluded like a whole abandoned city, near an active modern city? Was it a series of skirmishes all around the world or there was one huge fight or both? I’d like to know.

My thought is that the portal opens up in Sudan, thus the Empire comes through that (Nothing major is going on in Sudan right now and I am not too sure if they have tons of internet service? So it seems to be rather isolated still) and sets up a forward operating base.

Systems are set off from Washington to Moscow to Beijing and each power calls one another, not believing it was none of them they send in teams. Thus you have a series of black chopper riding SOFs land in Sudan to investigate as the local militias and national forces are no match for the Empire.

Awesome thing about highly technical equipment is the ease it makes, downfall? If your rely on it and someone disables it, you are screwed. Thus our spec ops guys get clearance from their home nations to engage or go AWOL to do so and initiate guerilla warfare. Think of it kind like Ghost Recon Wildlands? They are all in Sudan, and begin finding one another, slowly forming a coalition. Now, question is what kept the Empire from expanding passed this area... perhaps they are waiting for something; what would halt further expansion? They await the personal arrival of the Emperor there that he may see the new territory of the empire? Or they can be busy with something else, finding resources might work.

Could they have come to Earth for some rare resource no longer on their planet?

Either way, once the teams all form one large coalition against the Empire they coordinate and strike, using all means available to them there end up being soldiers vanishing into the jungles, whole bases burned to ash. Funny thing about jungles is that they are the great equalizer. Technological gear seems to utterly crap itself when it gets surrounded by trees, mud, and animals. So considering stepping anywhere in the forest results in death by Punji pit and similar horrible scenarios the aliens for the first several hours do not leave the FOB until forces specifically designed to deal with that kind of thing can come in and handle it.

They make themselves sitting ducks in doing so, and while they wait they are watched, massive amounts of intel gathered and collected. There may be a dragon in the field, but in the trees there are nothing but tigers waiting to strike. Using their same hidden tactics the cohesive forces engage their plan, they make two hundred fifty men seem like entire armies. While the main force distracts the invaders by making them believe they are pinned down by a much larger force a small contingent sneaks around to this "portal" in hopes of disabling it and wiping out the enemy. They strap their packed explosives to it to no avail. Now the enemy knows they are there and they have to improvise fast. One of the guys sees how the big thing works and begins to reengineer it to destabilize and dump all that energy outward in an improvised weapon of mass destruction. The last signal sent from the area before the detonation is several men in an assortment of languages solemnly cheering "Victory" before it blows.

The world is left to mourn these men without even knowing it. Thirteen hours of Hell.

Hours.... hours..... hours..... the empire wash pushed in a matter of hours. An empire which has shown at the very least a modicom of competence previously, beaten by a rag tag joint coalition of probably no more than 100 operators. Because suddenly, they’re less capable than some lucky insurgent who the special forces operators fought against regularly for years.

I have a lot faith in the men and women of special operations, but I’m not so sure about this..... whatever.

To think that the empire after its conquest of several worlds would not have encountered a form guerilla warfare and not have any form of countermeasure tactics against it. A tactic which is among its earliest form have popped up since 600 BC from Sun Tzu. And really any open rebellion under the empire would have emulated.

Sudan is also two thirds desert and semi-desert, with its forests located South. I doubt that any commander in their right mind would just stop within the borders of Sudan to await the arrival of the Emperor or trying to locate a resource of sorts. Even if they started to become bog down by the SOF coalition, only a seriously inept commander would not continue to expand in order to provide a larger buffer area between any potential threats and the Emperor.

........ Whatever. I’ll just leave those details to you and Harb. Reality is unrealistic, right?

Anyways, Harb. Are they any real difference between the humans and people of the Empire? Are the equal, stronger slightly? Something like that. Unless Avalon is in charge of that?
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:28 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Rynagria wrote:Got it, that would mean the secondary or immediate objective after reuniting most of not all of the empire is to restore or build the portal generator. That make sense, it would also give time for the villain to ramp up productions of military technology and equipment.

So Emperor died on Earth? And due to this belief, imperial citizens are distraught of the alien spirits now holding his soul or whatever. To also summarize, the entirety of the empire is kept under control of force, but from what I read it doesn’t seem to be overbearing force. Probably patrols in an occupied area, only really get serious if there was an attempt of rebellion.... What did the wives do or influential families after learning the death of the Emperor? How many of the princesses are still within the Empire? Did they all join the trip to Earth or what?

This is more of a question of Avalon, since he seems to be in charge of the Earth front, but... How exactly was the battle (is it even a war that occurred there?) covered up? How many hours or days did it last, since I doubt it would have taken months and a successful cover up was accomplished for a conflict that lasted so long. Where did it also take place, somewhere really secluded like a whole abandoned city, near an active modern city? Was it a series of skirmishes all around the world or there was one huge fight or both? I’d like to know.

My thought is that the portal opens up in Sudan, thus the Empire comes through that (Nothing major is going on in Sudan right now and I am not too sure if they have tons of internet service? So it seems to be rather isolated still) and sets up a forward operating base.

Systems are set off from Washington to Moscow to Beijing and each power calls one another, not believing it was none of them they send in teams. Thus you have a series of black chopper riding SOFs land in Sudan to investigate as the local militias and national forces are no match for the Empire.

Awesome thing about highly technical equipment is the ease it makes, downfall? If your rely on it and someone disables it, you are screwed. Thus our spec ops guys get clearance from their home nations to engage or go AWOL to do so and initiate guerilla warfare. Think of it kind like Ghost Recon Wildlands? They are all in Sudan, and begin finding one another, slowly forming a coalition. Now, question is what kept the Empire from expanding passed this area... perhaps they are waiting for something; what would halt further expansion? They await the personal arrival of the Emperor there that he may see the new territory of the empire? Or they can be busy with something else, finding resources might work.

Could they have come to Earth for some rare resource no longer on their planet?

Either way, once the teams all form one large coalition against the Empire they coordinate and strike, using all means available to them there end up being soldiers vanishing into the jungles, whole bases burned to ash. Funny thing about jungles is that they are the great equalizer. Technological gear seems to utterly crap itself when it gets surrounded by trees, mud, and animals. So considering stepping anywhere in the forest results in death by Punji pit and similar horrible scenarios the aliens for the first several hours do not leave the FOB until forces specifically designed to deal with that kind of thing can come in and handle it.

They make themselves sitting ducks in doing so, and while they wait they are watched, massive amounts of intel gathered and collected. There may be a dragon in the field, but in the trees there are nothing but tigers waiting to strike. Using their same hidden tactics the cohesive forces engage their plan, they make two hundred fifty men seem like entire armies. While the main force distracts the invaders by making them believe they are pinned down by a much larger force a small contingent sneaks around to this "portal" in hopes of disabling it and wiping out the enemy. They strap their packed explosives to it to no avail. Now the enemy knows they are there and they have to improvise fast. One of the guys sees how the big thing works and begins to reengineer it to destabilize and dump all that energy outward in an improvised weapon of mass destruction. The last signal sent from the area before the detonation is several men in an assortment of languages solemnly cheering "Victory" before it blows.

The world is left to mourn these men without even knowing it. Thirteen hours of Hell.

Due to the brevity and having shared concerns on other plot points regarding this brevity- at what point would your character let alone the main villain have become traitor? It's like- really brief a time and for resources- water- Earth is full of it and the Empire solidified it's self by controlling the water supply on Tarsonis.

Like Ryn I think it's too short a conflict.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:33 pm

Rynagria wrote:Anyways, Harb. Are they any real difference between the humans and people of the Empire? Are the equal, stronger slightly? Something like that. Unless Avalon is in charge of that?

I've considered the prospect that the Tarsonites live for centuries (thus how the Emperor could have conquered multiple worlds in his lifetime); but that suggestion didn't get any comment- so how does that sound to you? I'd also say they are more inclined to muscle development. Both being traits left over from the civilization that was.

Like you I don't like the 'short war' scenario- I suspect Avalon just doesn't want Earth to be alter from the conflict but it's got to be altered- I tried to explain to him that if it's hidden it's unlikely the girls will even entertain the idea that they come from some other world- it's easier to believe something that has physical proof rather then the words of a 'could be' madman.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:48 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:My thought is that the portal opens up in Sudan, thus the Empire comes through that (Nothing major is going on in Sudan right now and I am not too sure if they have tons of internet service? So it seems to be rather isolated still) and sets up a forward operating base.

Systems are set off from Washington to Moscow to Beijing and each power calls one another, not believing it was none of them they send in teams. Thus you have a series of black chopper riding SOFs land in Sudan to investigate as the local militias and national forces are no match for the Empire.

Awesome thing about highly technical equipment is the ease it makes, downfall? If your rely on it and someone disables it, you are screwed. Thus our spec ops guys get clearance from their home nations to engage or go AWOL to do so and initiate guerilla warfare. Think of it kind like Ghost Recon Wildlands? They are all in Sudan, and begin finding one another, slowly forming a coalition. Now, question is what kept the Empire from expanding passed this area... perhaps they are waiting for something; what would halt further expansion? They await the personal arrival of the Emperor there that he may see the new territory of the empire? Or they can be busy with something else, finding resources might work.

Could they have come to Earth for some rare resource no longer on their planet?

Either way, once the teams all form one large coalition against the Empire they coordinate and strike, using all means available to them there end up being soldiers vanishing into the jungles, whole bases burned to ash. Funny thing about jungles is that they are the great equalizer. Technological gear seems to utterly crap itself when it gets surrounded by trees, mud, and animals. So considering stepping anywhere in the forest results in death by Punji pit and similar horrible scenarios the aliens for the first several hours do not leave the FOB until forces specifically designed to deal with that kind of thing can come in and handle it.

They make themselves sitting ducks in doing so, and while they wait they are watched, massive amounts of intel gathered and collected. There may be a dragon in the field, but in the trees there are nothing but tigers waiting to strike. Using their same hidden tactics the cohesive forces engage their plan, they make two hundred fifty men seem like entire armies. While the main force distracts the invaders by making them believe they are pinned down by a much larger force a small contingent sneaks around to this "portal" in hopes of disabling it and wiping out the enemy. They strap their packed explosives to it to no avail. Now the enemy knows they are there and they have to improvise fast. One of the guys sees how the big thing works and begins to reengineer it to destabilize and dump all that energy outward in an improvised weapon of mass destruction. The last signal sent from the area before the detonation is several men in an assortment of languages solemnly cheering "Victory" before it blows.

The world is left to mourn these men without even knowing it. Thirteen hours of Hell.

Due to the brevity and having shared concerns on other plot points regarding this brevity- at what point would your character let alone the main villain have become traitor? It's like- really brief a time and for resources- water- Earth is full of it and the Empire solidified it's self by controlling the water supply on Tarsonis.

Like Ryn I think it's too short a conflict.

Yes, but we have to accomplish a set of goals here.
If the invasion becomes public that shifts the story more towards something like XCOM and away from our goal of focusing on this one guy and his efforts to find the princesses.
So the invasion has to be entirely secret, and something must happen to turn this knight away from the empire.

The fight has to be fast, twenty four hours or less, and it has to result in absolute desolation to the point nothing is left at all.

Greater technologically advanced armies can lose wars, plenty of that through out history. I can also tell you right now I don't care how fancy your gadget is, that thing will fail on you the moment it gets in the rough terrain of a jungle - nothing like the jungle, Hell, most people who live in jungles do not even like them. The more advanced your equipment is the bigger and bigger your logistics and support companies need to be. You compare support in the age of the sword to now, Hell go from horse mounted infantry to those on HMMWVs and things have changed a lot. You can't just go "Ah, my horse is hungry, we shall graze." Ya need fuel, you need engine parts and components, mechanics. The more complicated a mechanism the more support it needs to run smoothly.

My original tactics was going to be draw the alien forces into the jungle and use the crappy conditions to disable their equipment, make it look like they left, use their gear to call in an artillery strike and wipe out a massive section of their own forces.

Tactics is what is going to win the battle, if the whole thing is not kept secret then our story goes from this guy searching the world trying to find the alien princesses to now everyone in the world is terrified of the aliens, and it becomes so much mor epoltiicals - this group wants peace with them, this group wants to destroy them, and this one over here in the corner is whacking it because they think their Interdimensional God has returned at last.

We have to win this battle for the story to go as planned, we got about 250 guys from across the world, do you have any better plans? I am more than glad to hear them, but the odds are against us in the fight so something has to be done. No way in Hell 250 dudes are winning a full on fight against an invasion force, no matter how well trained that 250 is. We could even up it to 1000, better odds but considering the enemy is about 50,000 not likely. It is chess, so either we get the king in one move or we destroy the entire board.

If it makes you feel any better, I am fine with leaving it to chance, getting a dice out, assigning stuff on the choices of the fight to numbers and rolling to see what happens. After the mini RPG concludes then we have what happened, something we all can agree on because no one skewed the events one way or the other.
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:54 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Harbertia wrote:Due to the brevity and having shared concerns on other plot points regarding this brevity- at what point would your character let alone the main villain have become traitor? It's like- really brief a time and for resources- water- Earth is full of it and the Empire solidified it's self by controlling the water supply on Tarsonis.

Like Ryn I think it's too short a conflict.

Yes, but we have to accomplish a set of goals here.
If the invasion becomes public that shifts the story more towards something like XCOM and away from our goal of focusing on this one guy and his efforts to find the princesses.
So the invasion has to be entirely secret, and something must happen to turn this knight away from the empire.

The fight has to be fast, twenty four hours or less, and it has to result in absolute desolation to the point nothing is left at all.

Greater technologically advanced armies can lose wars, plenty of that through out history. I can also tell you right now I don't care how fancy your gadget is, that thing will fail on you the moment it gets in the rough terrain of a jungle - nothing like the jungle, Hell, most people who live in jungles do not even like them. The more advanced your equipment is the bigger and bigger your logistics and support companies need to be. You compare support in the age of the sword to now, Hell go from horse mounted infantry to those on HMMWVs and things have changed a lot. You can't just go "Ah, my horse is hungry, we shall graze." Ya need fuel, you need engine parts and components, mechanics. The more complicated a mechanism the more support it needs to run smoothly.

My original tactics was going to be draw the alien forces into the jungle and use the crappy conditions to disable their equipment, make it look like they left, use their gear to call in an artillery strike and wipe out a massive section of their own forces.

Tactics is what is going to win the battle, if the whole thing is not kept secret then our story goes from this guy searching the world trying to find the alien princesses to now everyone in the world is terrified of the aliens, and it becomes so much mor epoltiicals - this group wants peace with them, this group wants to destroy them, and this one over here in the corner is whacking it because they think their Interdimensional God has returned at last.

We have to win this battle for the story to go as planned, we got about 250 guys from across the world, do you have any better plans? I am more than glad to hear them, but the odds are against us in the fight so something has to be done. No way in Hell 250 dudes are winning a full on fight against an invasion force, no matter how well trained that 250 is. We could even up it to 1000, better odds but considering the enemy is about 50,000 not likely. It is chess, so either we get the king in one move or we destroy the entire board.

If it makes you feel any better, I am fine with leaving it to chance, getting a dice out, assigning stuff on the choices of the fight to numbers and rolling to see what happens. After the mini RPG concludes then we have what happened, something we all can agree on because no one skewed the events one way or the other.

I honestly have no issue and infact intended for something like XCOM (the RP was inspired by Mortal Kombat which has the Special Forces tasked with handling incursions from other worlds). As such it need not be secret.

The focus was not to be on the protagonist finding these princesses (that would have been the start yes but not the main focus) the main focus as in the old concept due to the protagonist's connection to hiding these girls (either as an accomplice, the culprit, son, or adopted son of the culprit) it would have been a quick part of the story that would set the character on track to reaching the other worlds and reclaiming their place in the Empire while halting the antagonist from usurping power like a tyrant in the classical sense; one who did not inherit absolute power but took it from those who did.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:02 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Yes, but we have to accomplish a set of goals here.
If the invasion becomes public that shifts the story more towards something like XCOM and away from our goal of focusing on this one guy and his efforts to find the princesses.
So the invasion has to be entirely secret, and something must happen to turn this knight away from the empire.

The fight has to be fast, twenty four hours or less, and it has to result in absolute desolation to the point nothing is left at all.

Greater technologically advanced armies can lose wars, plenty of that through out history. I can also tell you right now I don't care how fancy your gadget is, that thing will fail on you the moment it gets in the rough terrain of a jungle - nothing like the jungle, Hell, most people who live in jungles do not even like them. The more advanced your equipment is the bigger and bigger your logistics and support companies need to be. You compare support in the age of the sword to now, Hell go from horse mounted infantry to those on HMMWVs and things have changed a lot. You can't just go "Ah, my horse is hungry, we shall graze." Ya need fuel, you need engine parts and components, mechanics. The more complicated a mechanism the more support it needs to run smoothly.

My original tactics was going to be draw the alien forces into the jungle and use the crappy conditions to disable their equipment, make it look like they left, use their gear to call in an artillery strike and wipe out a massive section of their own forces.

Tactics is what is going to win the battle, if the whole thing is not kept secret then our story goes from this guy searching the world trying to find the alien princesses to now everyone in the world is terrified of the aliens, and it becomes so much mor epoltiicals - this group wants peace with them, this group wants to destroy them, and this one over here in the corner is whacking it because they think their Interdimensional God has returned at last.

We have to win this battle for the story to go as planned, we got about 250 guys from across the world, do you have any better plans? I am more than glad to hear them, but the odds are against us in the fight so something has to be done. No way in Hell 250 dudes are winning a full on fight against an invasion force, no matter how well trained that 250 is. We could even up it to 1000, better odds but considering the enemy is about 50,000 not likely. It is chess, so either we get the king in one move or we destroy the entire board.

If it makes you feel any better, I am fine with leaving it to chance, getting a dice out, assigning stuff on the choices of the fight to numbers and rolling to see what happens. After the mini RPG concludes then we have what happened, something we all can agree on because no one skewed the events one way or the other.

I honestly have no issue and infact intended for something like XCOM (the RP was inspired by Mortal Kombat which has the Special Forces tasked with handling incursions from other worlds). As such it need not be secret.

The focus was not to be on the protagonist finding these princesses (that would have been the start yes but not the main focus) the main focus as in the old concept due to the protagonist's connection to hiding these girls (either as an accomplice, the culprit, son, or adopted son of the culprit) it would have been a quick part of the story that would set the character on track to reaching the other worlds and reclaiming their place in the Empire while halting the antagonist from usurping power like a tyrant in the classical sense; one who did not inherit absolute power but took it from those who did.

Oh, I thought the point was VN; so we are going for an action movie feel?
Global War on Crime
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Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
|____|
Order of the Purple Cross
______
Al-Khalifiya Campaign
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Arabic Spain Remembrance
______
Aravean Liberation
______
Magian Defense
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:07 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Harbertia wrote:I honestly have no issue and infact intended for something like XCOM (the RP was inspired by Mortal Kombat which has the Special Forces tasked with handling incursions from other worlds). As such it need not be secret.

The focus was not to be on the protagonist finding these princesses (that would have been the start yes but not the main focus) the main focus as in the old concept due to the protagonist's connection to hiding these girls (either as an accomplice, the culprit, son, or adopted son of the culprit) it would have been a quick part of the story that would set the character on track to reaching the other worlds and reclaiming their place in the Empire while halting the antagonist from usurping power like a tyrant in the classical sense; one who did not inherit absolute power but took it from those who did.

Oh, I thought the point was VN; so we are going for an action movie feel?

An adventure I'd say- he heheh I um... I don't write action very well :blush: Adventures have action but I- I just don't do action that well on NS. The best I did was that sword fight in KGA and even then it came with a price- my character became too thrilled with her superiority and someone nearly got hurt. Still the best action scene I've written- I just don't like doing action in text as it's like 'I do this' "oh you do well I do this' and it just comes down to stumping the other player- or you know them doing something rediculous to escape (though I have nearly killed a few characters this way- once I almost did but a third character stepped in and made my character realize how they where being very wrong at that moment).

It's- what I'm going for is more like 'Wolf Among Us' did with it's narrative and action- action happens but focus is still on the narrative with the protagonist giving that narrative direction though their influence.

Edit: I've never actually taken part in a visual novel but I hate that they seem to focus so much on- eh... sexual content. It seems to be all fans of that (like anime) care about. There is a VN I'm interested in, Scaley Angels- about a Human ambassador to the Dragon world which sounds awesome- does it have sexual content? Is it a dating Sim combined with that story? ... yes.... but I'm hoping I can avoid those elements all together as it's the closest I've seen to something like my own Sauria RP as of late. The similarities are and being a diplomat are what interests me about the VN. I can understand people wanting those options so I'm not against them (I'd include them for inclusiveness) but- I really really hope I can avoid them. Today I saw that one of my Steamfriends was playing HuniePop and my first thought was 'Perv'. I really don't want to be on the other end of that- someone seeing that I"m playing this 'Scaley Angels' and thinking "eh, Perv'.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:19 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:Oh, I thought the point was VN; so we are going for an action movie feel?

An adventure I'd say- he heheh I um... I don't write action very well :blush: Adventures have action but I- I just don't do action that well on NS. The best I did was that sword fight in KGA and even then it came with a price- my character became too thrilled with her superiority and someone nearly got hurt. Still the best action scene I've written- I just don't like doing action in text as it's like 'I do this' "oh you do well I do this' and it just comes down to stumping the other player- or you know them doing something rediculous to escape (though I have nearly killed a few characters this way- once I almost did but a third character stepped in and made my character realize how they where being very wrong at that moment).

It's- what I'm going for is more like 'Wolf Among Us' did with it's narrative and action- action happens but focus is still on the narrative with the protagonist giving that narrative direction though their influence.

Edit: I've never actually taken part in a visual novel but I hate that they seem to focus so much on- eh... sexual content. It seems to be all fans of that (like anime) care about.

There is a VN I'm interested in, Scaley Angels- about a Human ambassador to the Dragon world which sounds awesome- does it have sexual content? Is it a dating Sim combined with that story? ... yes.... but I'm hoping I can avoid those elements all together as it's the closest I've seen to something like my own Sauria RP as of late. The similarities are and being a diplomat are what interests me about the VN.

I still feel that keeping it secret benefits that idea more. Reason being that we can chose the action, if we want to insert some action then we have the former knight be discovered by some MIB and engage in a brief firefight.

If we go full scale war hen we cannot pick and choose what to do because it almost ends up more like COD: Infinite Warfare or HALO and while HALO has an awesome narrative, the focus is that you are a soldier, your fight is the story. That is not what we are going for here?

I know it seems frustrating for this galatic empire to get wrecked by 250 "primitives" by their own terms, but let's not forget how well received the Ewoks kicking Imperial ass was. Who dislikes that scene? Also, the Soviets got pretty messed up in Afghanistan, and that is just one example of countless through history. Terrain matters and so do tactics, lose one of those two and it sucks, lose both and you might as well just kiss your ass goodbye.

Universally war is the same, what changes is the people, and luck has a fair bit to do with it all also.
Global War on Crime
______
Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
|____|
Order of the Purple Cross
______
Al-Khalifiya Campaign
_|||_|||_
Arabic Spain Remembrance
______
Aravean Liberation
______
Magian Defense
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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:26 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Harbertia wrote:An adventure I'd say- he heheh I um... I don't write action very well :blush: Adventures have action but I- I just don't do action that well on NS. The best I did was that sword fight in KGA and even then it came with a price- my character became too thrilled with her superiority and someone nearly got hurt. Still the best action scene I've written- I just don't like doing action in text as it's like 'I do this' "oh you do well I do this' and it just comes down to stumping the other player- or you know them doing something rediculous to escape (though I have nearly killed a few characters this way- once I almost did but a third character stepped in and made my character realize how they where being very wrong at that moment).

It's- what I'm going for is more like 'Wolf Among Us' did with it's narrative and action- action happens but focus is still on the narrative with the protagonist giving that narrative direction though their influence.

Edit: I've never actually taken part in a visual novel but I hate that they seem to focus so much on- eh... sexual content. It seems to be all fans of that (like anime) care about.

There is a VN I'm interested in, Scaley Angels- about a Human ambassador to the Dragon world which sounds awesome- does it have sexual content? Is it a dating Sim combined with that story? ... yes.... but I'm hoping I can avoid those elements all together as it's the closest I've seen to something like my own Sauria RP as of late. The similarities are and being a diplomat are what interests me about the VN.

I still feel that keeping it secret benefits that idea more. Reason being that we can chose the action, if we want to insert some action then we have the former knight be discovered by some MIB and engage in a brief firefight.

If we go full scale war hen we cannot pick and choose what to do because it almost ends up more like COD: Infinite Warfare or HALO and while HALO has an awesome narrative, the focus is that you are a soldier, your fight is the story. That is not what we are going for here?

I know it seems frustrating for this galatic empire to get wrecked by 250 "primitives" by their own terms, but let's not forget how well received the Ewoks kicking Imperial ass was. Who dislikes that scene? Also, the Soviets got pretty messed up in Afghanistan, and that is just one example of countless through history. Terrain matters and so do tactics, lose one of those two and it sucks, lose both and you might as well just kiss your ass goodbye.

Universally war is the same, what changes is the people, and luck has a fair bit to do with it all also.

hehehhe

Sauria has a whole 'Alien Contact' scenario going on but it's not the focus. It's like- homefront movies. WWII is going on but the film is focused on life in an American town during WWII. To me this invassion of Earth doesn't distract from our plot anymore then WWII does from a homefront movie; like My Dog Skip. You could take WWII out and still have the main plot. Just look at how absent WWII is from the trailer.

All the invasion means is that other stories are taking place but such stories are not our character's stories.

Character's are impacted by those events but the war doesn't dominate the narrative.

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With this RP it's the same- it's background, a motive, and lives have been impacted but the war was in the past and it's over now- is Earth and the Empire at peace- no not officially but the invaders where still repelled. So a lot of stuff going on in far off capitals and channels that our character have no part in on Earth.

Plus you'll get to come up with something that's more then 13 hours long for why your character changed sides- and you know- a long war makes that more likely to be well received due to familiarity- so short a time breeds suspicion and even I find it hard to believe that a knight would do so in less then a day. Even Benedict Arnold had a build up starting with differences in military philosophy, growing after he became a military governor, and then erupting at some point late into the war.
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Postby Holy Empire of Avalon » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:11 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:I still feel that keeping it secret benefits that idea more. Reason being that we can chose the action, if we want to insert some action then we have the former knight be discovered by some MIB and engage in a brief firefight.

If we go full scale war hen we cannot pick and choose what to do because it almost ends up more like COD: Infinite Warfare or HALO and while HALO has an awesome narrative, the focus is that you are a soldier, your fight is the story. That is not what we are going for here?

I know it seems frustrating for this galatic empire to get wrecked by 250 "primitives" by their own terms, but let's not forget how well received the Ewoks kicking Imperial ass was. Who dislikes that scene? Also, the Soviets got pretty messed up in Afghanistan, and that is just one example of countless through history. Terrain matters and so do tactics, lose one of those two and it sucks, lose both and you might as well just kiss your ass goodbye.

Universally war is the same, what changes is the people, and luck has a fair bit to do with it all also.

hehehhe

Sauria has a whole 'Alien Contact' scenario going on but it's not the focus. It's like- homefront movies. WWII is going on but the film is focused on life in an American town during WWII. To me this invassion of Earth doesn't distract from our plot anymore then WWII does from a homefront movie; like My Dog Skip. You could take WWII out and still have the main plot. Just look at how absent WWII is from the trailer.

All the invasion means is that other stories are taking place but such stories are not our character's stories.

Character's are impacted by those events but the war doesn't dominate the narrative.

--------

With this RP it's the same- it's background, a motive, and lives have been impacted but the war was in the past and it's over now- is Earth and the Empire at peace- no not officially but the invaders where still repelled. So a lot of stuff going on in far off capitals and channels that our character have no part in on Earth.

Plus you'll get to come up with something that's more then 13 hours long for why your character changed sides- and you know- a long war makes that more likely to be well received due to familiarity- so short a time breeds suspicion and even I find it hard to believe that a knight would do so in less then a day. Even Benedict Arnold had a build up starting with differences in military philosophy, growing after he became a military governor, and then erupting at some point late into the war.

Eh, bureaucracy is a bitch, workplace problems are the same in military affairs, difference is it directly means life and death. In the business world you can guide logistics the wrong way and screw over the guys trying to put the product together, do that in an army and guys are without rations, equipment, and other supplies.

I can figure a guy to be rather pissed off at how things work and having been so for a long time. They perform this invasion and stuff starts falling apart because the dickhead officer in charge, just like the last force this guy was stationed with, refuses to "fix a system that is not broken" even though by the current system equipment is going to divisions that are not even frontline units, some guys are losing morale because they get the crap rations despite fighting all the locals while the "elite" units get all sorts of awesome food and sit in the barracks all day waiting for some special mission. Pissed off and done with it all for the day he goes out on the first patrol, things go sideways pretty fast, the force had been dealing with equipment troubles since they landed - their advanced scopes and highly complicated gear did not like this damn jungle, the gear never liked jungles, but yet the officer kept them here because "We will be harder to see." Yeah, harder see works when you freaking scope is not malfunctioning from the mud caked on it!

He orders a tactical withdraw, what few thermal vision visors the guys have working are not giving much information due to the high heat of the landscape. There comes a crack though and the knight last remembers the trees all turning to black. Coming to he finds himself tied to a tree, his helmet nearby with a massive bullet stuck in the side, what hit him was a fifty caliber round directly to the side of his head, fortunately he had the clear ballistic plastic visor and that kept the bullet from penetrating. Through fuzzy vision he sees his captors, they are yelling and angry, they speak several languages. Finally they grab a notepad and draw on it, the knight motions to his wrist, finally some guy with EOD on his uniform messes carefully with the device as the others back away and now it translates as they speak, both sides sounding rather broken.

While the Knight refuses to fight his own forces he begins to see a side of things he did not really acknowledge before. They conquered, they waged war, and they won, what had they lost though? It all seemed so greedy. Thus with a thorn in his heart the knight devises a plan, for the invasion to retreat with no casualties.

This plan of course goes awry, and in the end the knight (you brought up Rob, and so i will make him far different than Robert) is left to feel a sense of regret. He had long disagreed with the effects of the imperialistic outlook the empire had, but was that the way to resolve it? A situation resulting in the death of the Emperor, the collapse of the entire Empire, and now just a series of wars as someone tries to rebuild the broken throne. Attempting sot bring peace only lead to more war.

*shrug* do with it what you will, I'm gonna eat now.
Global War on Crime
______
Operation: VENGEFUL SPIRIT
|____|
Order of the Purple Cross
______
Al-Khalifiya Campaign
_|||_|||_
Arabic Spain Remembrance
______
Aravean Liberation
______
Magian Defense
||||||||


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Postby Harbertia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:24 pm

Holy Empire of Avalon wrote:
Harbertia wrote:hehehhe

Sauria has a whole 'Alien Contact' scenario going on but it's not the focus. It's like- homefront movies. WWII is going on but the film is focused on life in an American town during WWII. To me this invassion of Earth doesn't distract from our plot anymore then WWII does from a homefront movie; like My Dog Skip. You could take WWII out and still have the main plot. Just look at how absent WWII is from the trailer.

All the invasion means is that other stories are taking place but such stories are not our character's stories.

Character's are impacted by those events but the war doesn't dominate the narrative.

--------

With this RP it's the same- it's background, a motive, and lives have been impacted but the war was in the past and it's over now- is Earth and the Empire at peace- no not officially but the invaders where still repelled. So a lot of stuff going on in far off capitals and channels that our character have no part in on Earth.

Plus you'll get to come up with something that's more then 13 hours long for why your character changed sides- and you know- a long war makes that more likely to be well received due to familiarity- so short a time breeds suspicion and even I find it hard to believe that a knight would do so in less then a day. Even Benedict Arnold had a build up starting with differences in military philosophy, growing after he became a military governor, and then erupting at some point late into the war.

Eh, bureaucracy is a bitch, workplace problems are the same in military affairs, difference is it directly means life and death. In the business world you can guide logistics the wrong way and screw over the guys trying to put the product together, do that in an army and guys are without rations, equipment, and other supplies.

I can figure a guy to be rather pissed off at how things work and having been so for a long time. They perform this invasion and stuff starts falling apart because the dickhead officer in charge, just like the last force this guy was stationed with, refuses to "fix a system that is not broken" even though by the current system equipment is going to divisions that are not even frontline units, some guys are losing morale because they get the crap rations despite fighting all the locals while the "elite" units get all sorts of awesome food and sit in the barracks all day waiting for some special mission. Pissed off and done with it all for the day he goes out on the first patrol, things go sideways pretty fast, the force had been dealing with equipment troubles since they landed - their advanced scopes and highly complicated gear did not like this damn jungle, the gear never liked jungles, but yet the officer kept them here because "We will be harder to see." Yeah, harder see works when you freaking scope is not malfunctioning from the mud caked on it!

He orders a tactical withdraw, what few thermal vision visors the guys have working are not giving much information due to the high heat of the landscape. There comes a crack though and the knight last remembers the trees all turning to black. Coming to he finds himself tied to a tree, his helmet nearby with a massive bullet stuck in the side, what hit him was a fifty caliber round directly to the side of his head, fortunately he had the clear ballistic plastic visor and that kept the bullet from penetrating. Through fuzzy vision he sees his captors, they are yelling and angry, they speak several languages. Finally they grab a notepad and draw on it, the knight motions to his wrist, finally some guy with EOD on his uniform messes carefully with the device as the others back away and now it translates as they speak, both sides sounding rather broken.

While the Knight refuses to fight his own forces he begins to see a side of things he did not really acknowledge before. They conquered, they waged war, and they won, what had they lost though? It all seemed so greedy. Thus with a thorn in his heart the knight devises a plan, for the invasion to retreat with no casualties.

This plan of course goes awry, and in the end the knight (you brought up Rob, and so i will make him far different than Robert) is left to feel a sense of regret. He had long disagreed with the effects of the imperialistic outlook the empire had, but was that the way to resolve it? A situation resulting in the death of the Emperor, the collapse of the entire Empire, and now just a series of wars as someone tries to rebuild the broken throne. Attempting sot bring peace only lead to more war.

*shrug* do with it what you will, I'm gonna eat now.

... that work :(
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