The Titans (Portal to the Multiverse RP Group)

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

HALO did it pretty good with the invasion of Earth I feel. Have the war isolated to portions of the world that do not really belong to any country so that no one feels like I do any time a scifi movie screws with the U.S. which is "Our military is about 75% of the world's armies, and you think some aliens could kick our asses?"
Not to say Africa is some massive shithole, just that a good portion of it is ambiguous on territory due to the terrain

What I propose is that the aliens land somewhere like, eh, the Congo? No, someplace with a ton of cameras around, they land in a warzone, and right now... gotta remember what parts of Africa are in war. Chad? No, they ended that recently I think, I believe Sudan is still in civil war.

So the aliens land in Sudan, immediate media coverage. US satellite spick it up immediately, Hell, all the nerds looking for aliens for years found it but the higher ups above them were like "nah, it is a asteroid, disregard" thus when there is a delayed response from NATo and such who are completely caught off guard because one guy said "It's a rock" - Hell of a rock!

The invasion ends well enough, this is where it gets tricky though, China would probably not really care? They would be more interested in stealing tech if they can, same for CSTO really. Interested in testing weapons on people who can't bitch at you in a UN court the US rolls out all the stops and tests some major weapons finally. (The aliens seem pretty Covenant like, so I figure massive orbital weapons would be the only thing we got to really screw them over)

Funny thing is Trump announced like a week ago now? Some short time ago, that the U.S. will now build a Space Force - so maybe we incorporate that? I hate to make it real U.S. centric, but there is just so little else in the world of that topic. Russia is kind of going through a hard time economically and while one can argue they have massive militia forces and old rusty nukes that is not real impressive, China is much the same - no one is really putting the boatloads of money into it.

Maybe the invasion is something more XCOM? That levels the playing field more, pretty much every nation has a SOF of some sort. So we have a small contingient of the invasion land in Sudan. The allied forces of Earth - only way you would ever see NATO, CSTO, and all the other groups wanting to kill each other work together. Thus the combined forces fight and make their way up to the main fleet where a tactical nuclear weapon is detonated HALO Reach style destroying all the aliens there.

Our protagonist is a former knight of the empire, he turned coat and joined the humans, now he has word the empire is rising again and he refuses to let his new home be destroyed. He knows the American city the girls are in, he just has no idea who they are, so he must venture out and find them

I- guess ships make more sense then portals (as I was going with portals for the fantasy feel). Again the idea started out as MK inspired but there is benefit in doing ships instead- I just felt them to be too 'sci-fi' for the fantasy like worlds of the Empire. It's a bit like me and gunpowder in fantasy- it's a difficult line to tread- a balance between technology and magic with fantastic elements.

But let's discuss the idea of some XCOM/Special Force/Task Unit of international support handling the invasion (be it by ship or portals) and utilize your very logical assessment that the invasion would start in underdeveloped regions of the world where command and infrastructure can be established for the invading forces who can expect light rather then heavy resistance.

Though we should determine if it is ships or portals- portals made more sense in keeping a fantasy feel (Warhammer is too sci-fi for me despite being classified as Science Fantasy). I'm not sure why I have a conflict here in trying to decide between portal or ships. Portals would allow instant travel compared to ships would would be crawling for decades perhaps to their destination- perhaps both- ships and portals but then you have the issue of how do they communicate that they lost? How does anyone know the Emperor is dead? With portals it's easier to explain then decades between message transmissions.

Does that make sense or do you have a counter point? I want us to work together so I'd have to make consessions on these types of things at some point.

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Though now my question is in regards to this part;

Our protagonist is a former knight of the empire, he turned coat and joined the humans, now he has word the empire is rising again and he refuses to let his new home be destroyed. He knows the American city the girls are in, he just has no idea who they are, so he must venture out and find them.

What does he do when he finds them since you have the Empire still being around?

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Once we determine by consensus what the war was like we can determine how the world has changed.

The portal would be an interesting idea, I suppose that would answer how everyone was caught off guard, because witht he ships my problem was that there is literally no way you can get on and off this planet without someone knowing it between the Americans, the Europeans,, the Russians, and pretty much every other country on Earth having radars and equipment to detect stuff such as massive interspacial junk

So in that case the portal opens and our invasion forces comes into some third world african country, now we have various forces show up to fight them. Everything from "SEAL Team Six" (Actually called DEVGRU) to Green Berets, Rangers, SAS and their various commonwealth counterparts, you can bet your ass the Spetsnaz of several countries would make an appearance, the Chinese would be there in some form. Hell, you could even have them all fight one another and the aliens, a war no one knows about.

Finally they arrive at the portal, allied forces plant explosives on the portal and blow it - the thing is not destroyed, they need to go big, more forces are about to come in an reinforce the enemy, they got one last shot. Some of the alien gear is rigged up to make an IED of near Tsar Bomba scale. The only thing the world is left to know of the entire event is a unknown meteor impacting the area, that is how the huge crater is explained.

Afterwards the world goes on same as always, no divergence from the real world.

[Harbertia]

I- guess ships make more sense then portals (as I was going with portals for the fantasy feel). Again the idea started out as MK inspired but there is benefit in doing ships instead- I just felt them to be too 'sci-fi' for the fantasy like worlds of the Empire. It's a bit like me and gunpowder in fantasy- it's a difficult line to tread- a balance between technology and magic with fantastic elements.

But let's discuss the idea of some XCOM/Special Force/Task Unit of international support handling the invasion (be it by ship or portals) and utilize your very logical assessment that the invasion would start in underdeveloped regions of the world where command and infrastructure can be established for the invading forces who can expect light rather then heavy resistance.

Though we should determine if it is ships or portals- portals made more sense in keeping a fantasy feel (Warhammer is too sci-fi for me despite being classified as Science Fantasy). I'm not sure why I have a conflict here in trying to decide between portal or ships. Portals would allow instant travel compared to ships would would be crawling for decades perhaps to their destination- perhaps both- ships and portals but then you have the issue of how do they communicate that they lost? How does anyone know the Emperor is dead? With portals it's easier to explain then decades between message transmissions.

Does that make sense or do you have a counter point? I want us to work together so I'd have to make consessions on these types of things at some point.

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Though now my question is in regards to this part;

Our protagonist is a former knight of the empire, he turned coat and joined the humans, now he has word the empire is rising again and he refuses to let his new home be destroyed. He knows the American city the girls are in, he just has no idea who they are, so he must venture out and find them.

What does he do when he finds them since you have the Empire still being around?

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Once we determine by consensus what the war was like we can determine how the world has changed.

The portal would be an interesting idea, I suppose that would answer how everyone was caught off guard, because witht he ships my problem was that there is literally no way you can get on and off this planet without someone knowing it between the Americans, the Europeans,, the Russians, and pretty much every other country on Earth having radars and equipment to detect stuff such as massive interspacial junk

So in that case the portal opens and our invasion forces comes into some third world african country, now we have various forces show up to fight them. Everything from "SEAL Team Six" (Actually called DEVGRU) to Green Berets, Rangers, SAS and their various commonwealth counterparts, you can bet your ass the Spetsnaz of several countries would make an appearance, the Chinese would be there in some form. Hell, you could even have them all fight one another and the aliens, a war no one knows about.

Finally they arrive at the portal, allied forces plant explosives on the portal and blow it - the thing is not destroyed, they need to go big, more forces are about to come in an reinforce the enemy, they got one last shot. Some of the alien gear is rigged up to make an IED of near Tsar Bomba scale. The only thing the world is left to know of the entire event is a unknown meteor impacting the area, that is how the huge crater is explained.

Afterwards the world goes on same as always, no divergence from the real world.

That version of the invasion sounds awesome! I like it.

I don't like it being kept secret- I mean people died in that and another third world country is being blackmailed to be quite by the international community- I'd much rather it be known but any attempt at greater Earth unity not working out due to some issues regarding unrest or as is typical- everyone going back to their own thing and each nation preparing in it's own way with competition regarding unlocking the secret of portal technology. What's the benefit of secrecy when a popular war is so powerful?

Actually narrative wise what is the benefit? What could we do with that?

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

The portal would be an interesting idea, I suppose that would answer how everyone was caught off guard, because witht he ships my problem was that there is literally no way you can get on and off this planet without someone knowing it between the Americans, the Europeans,, the Russians, and pretty much every other country on Earth having radars and equipment to detect stuff such as massive interspacial junk

So in that case the portal opens and our invasion forces comes into some third world african country, now we have various forces show up to fight them. Everything from "SEAL Team Six" (Actually called DEVGRU) to Green Berets, Rangers, SAS and their various commonwealth counterparts, you can bet your ass the Spetsnaz of several countries would make an appearance, the Chinese would be there in some form. Hell, you could even have them all fight one another and the aliens, a war no one knows about.

Finally they arrive at the portal, allied forces plant explosives on the portal and blow it - the thing is not destroyed, they need to go big, more forces are about to come in an reinforce the enemy, they got one last shot. Some of the alien gear is rigged up to make an IED of near Tsar Bomba scale. The only thing the world is left to know of the entire event is a unknown meteor impacting the area, that is how the huge crater is explained.

Afterwards the world goes on same as always, no divergence from the real world.

That version of the invasion sounds awesome! I like it.

I don't like it being kept secret- I mean people died in that and another third world country is being blackmailed to be quite by the international community- I'd much rather it be known but any attempt at greater Earth unity not working out due to some issues regarding unrest or as is typical- everyone going back to their own thing and each nation preparing in it's own way with competition regarding unlocking the secret of portal technology. What's the benefit of secrecy when a popular war is so powerful?

Actually narrative wise what is the benefit?

Ut to you, I just figure people are going to wig out, that is the thing media never accounts for, if there was some massive alien invasion of say New York like in the avengers - the entire world would change. A massive intergalatic threat? You can bet that will drive politics for the next hundred years. Humanity will never unite as a one world government though, Hell, we can look at the EU and see we cannot even unite on continental basises.

The idea of life being out there is bound to change a lot to the general public, people will ask questions and want answers, they will adventure until they find that life because humanity is full of idiots. "Oh, they are misunderstood, they will be peaceful." It detracts from our story. The story is about this guy fighting to stop the old empire from coming back, right? It is his story, to Hell with all the others. The secrecy benefits that as when he goes around asking questions no one will have the answers, and that possibly puts him on some radars for the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. It is a race against time and even against the good guys as our hero must locate the princesses and then stop the rising emperor.

[Harbertia]

That version of the invasion sounds awesome! I like it.

I don't like it being kept secret- I mean people died in that and another third world country is being blackmailed to be quite by the international community- I'd much rather it be known but any attempt at greater Earth unity not working out due to some issues regarding unrest or as is typical- everyone going back to their own thing and each nation preparing in it's own way with competition regarding unlocking the secret of portal technology. What's the benefit of secrecy when a popular war is so powerful?

Actually narrative wise what is the benefit?

Ut to you, I just figure people are going to wig out, that is the thing media never accounts for, if there was some massive alien invasion of say New York like in the avengers - the entire world would change. A massive intergalatic threat? You can bet that will drive politics for the next hundred years. Humanity will never unite as a one world government though, Hell, we can look at the EU and see we cannot even unite on continental basises.

The idea of life being out there is bound to change a lot to the general public, people will ask questions and want answers, they will adventure until they find that life because humanity is full of idiots. "Oh, they are misunderstood, they will be peaceful." It detracts from our story. The story is about this guy fighting to stop the old empire from coming back, right? It is his story, to Hell with all the others. The secrecy benefits that as when he goes around asking questions no one will have the answers, and that possibly puts him on some radars for the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. It is a race against time and even against the good guys as our hero must locate the princesses and then stop the rising emperor.

My concern was the girls having trouble believing any of it but I suppose that is part of the narrative.

And I guess Earth can be as vague as it was in Sauria (I had more details on the alien world then I did about Earth)- I don't usually have good vs good happening in my narratives but it's a conflict more common then good vs evil as evil uses it to weaken the good. Plus I don't think (but it's still possible) the protagonist would monologue on the war (again kind of concerned about the girls but the concept of the servant having the power to restore their memories fixes that- but in a way destroys who they have become by resurrecting who they where or rather combining who they where with who they become as they have both memories and thus both experiences if the memories are restored).

So; this former Knight is trying to find the girls... to confront the new Empire- and defeat the rising Emperor. So that's right on with the concept. But what does he do when he finds the girls and what's his plan in regards to bringing them together- is is still to provide a more legitimate claimant to the throne who will avoid an invasion of Earth and defeat the rising Emperor or is it different?

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

Ut to you, I just figure people are going to wig out, that is the thing media never accounts for, if there was some massive alien invasion of say New York like in the avengers - the entire world would change. A massive intergalatic threat? You can bet that will drive politics for the next hundred years. Humanity will never unite as a one world government though, Hell, we can look at the EU and see we cannot even unite on continental basises.

The idea of life being out there is bound to change a lot to the general public, people will ask questions and want answers, they will adventure until they find that life because humanity is full of idiots. "Oh, they are misunderstood, they will be peaceful." It detracts from our story. The story is about this guy fighting to stop the old empire from coming back, right? It is his story, to Hell with all the others. The secrecy benefits that as when he goes around asking questions no one will have the answers, and that possibly puts him on some radars for the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. It is a race against time and even against the good guys as our hero must locate the princesses and then stop the rising emperor.

My concern was the girls having trouble believing any of it but I suppose that is part of the narrative.

And I guess Earth can be as vague as it was in Sauria (I had more details on the alien world then I did about Earth)- I don't usually have good vs good happening in my narratives but it's a conflict more common then good vs evil as evil uses it to weaken the good. Plus I don't think (but it's still possible) the protagonist would monologue on the war (again kind of concerned about the girls but the concept of the servant having the power to restore their memories fixes that- but in a way destroys who they have become by resurrecting who they where or rather combining who they where with who they become as they have both memories and thus both experiences if the memories are restored).

So; this former Knight is trying to find the girls... to confront the new Empire- and defeat the rising Emperor. So that's right on with the concept. But what does he do when he finds the girls and what's his plan in regards to bringing them together- is is still to provide a more legitimate claimant to the throne who will avoid an invasion of Earth and defeat the rising Emperor or is it different?

Uhhh, rally the old knights behind the princesses and defeat the new evil emperor?
I'll admit, didn't think that far ahead.

[Harbertia]

My concern was the girls having trouble believing any of it but I suppose that is part of the narrative.

And I guess Earth can be as vague as it was in Sauria (I had more details on the alien world then I did about Earth)- I don't usually have good vs good happening in my narratives but it's a conflict more common then good vs evil as evil uses it to weaken the good. Plus I don't think (but it's still possible) the protagonist would monologue on the war (again kind of concerned about the girls but the concept of the servant having the power to restore their memories fixes that- but in a way destroys who they have become by resurrecting who they where or rather combining who they where with who they become as they have both memories and thus both experiences if the memories are restored).

So; this former Knight is trying to find the girls... to confront the new Empire- and defeat the rising Emperor. So that's right on with the concept. But what does he do when he finds the girls and what's his plan in regards to bringing them together- is is still to provide a more legitimate claimant to the throne who will avoid an invasion of Earth and defeat the rising Emperor or is it different?

Uhhh, rally the old knights behind the princesses and defeat the new evil emperor?
I'll admit, didn't think that far ahead.

I have options;

I think that- since I do have a visual novel program on this computer (with profit options) that we can work on this together. I'm thinking that for the sake of- focused narrative the protagonist should be ... hmm... the son of the Servant who unlike the sisters was allowed to keep his memories or perhaps had them restored on his 17th birthday and due to his father's condition he's the one tasked with getting the sisters together and directing them to confronting the evil warlord. He'd have to decide for himself weather to restore their memories (some may not want their memories restored) and he'd have to keep the peace between them and advice them. With this idea regarding the protagonist I think that a possible ending is one where he becomes Imperial Consort should one of the girls become Empress- and also I feel that there should be a route where the Empire doesn't form but instead the sisters form a coalition and the protagonist becomes Royal Consort to one of them- or say the protagonist doesn't restore any memories to the girls- that their should be endings where at least a few of them if not most decide not to rule and instead return to Earth which has become their home.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

Uhhh, rally the old knights behind the princesses and defeat the new evil emperor?
I'll admit, didn't think that far ahead.

I have options;

I think that- since I do have a visual novel program on this computer (with profit options) that we can work on this together. I'm thinking that for the sake of- focused narrative the protagonist should be ... hmm... the son of the Servant who unlike the sisters was allowed to keep his memories or perhaps had them restored on his 17th birthday and due to his father's condition he's the one tasked with getting the sisters together and directing them to confronting the evil warlord. He'd have to decide for himself weather to restore their memories (some may not want their memories restored) and he'd have to keep the peace between them and advice them. With this idea regarding the protagonist I think that a possible ending is one where he becomes Imperial Consort should one of the girls become Empress- and also I feel that there should be a route where the Empire doesn't form but instead the sisters form a coalition and the protagonist becomes Royal Consort to one of them- or say the protagonist doesn't restore any memories to the girls- that their should be endings where at least a few of them if not most decide not to rule and instead return to Earth which has become their home.

Maybe a story where the princesses become villains at the end? Say, I don't know, it is hereditary that power causes them to go mad like their father, so now the knight must in the end fight the two Queens/Empresses, whatever title you want to give them

Thus when they are defeated both are allowed to resume normal lives on Earth, maybe this time as constitutional monarchs with no real power?

I just have no idea how to conclude it, I kind of like To-Love-Ru in how that handled it all. But there is a big difference in that story and this one, and some how turning this into a comedy seems to defeat the story...

[Harbertia]

I have options;

Maybe a story where the princesses become villains at the end? Say, I don't know, it is hereditary that power causes them to go mad like their father, so now the knight must in the end fight the two Queens/Empresses, whatever title you want to give them

Thus when they are defeated both are allowed to resume normal lives on Earth, maybe this time as constitutional monarchs with no real power?

I just have no idea how to conclude it, I kind of like To-Love-Ru in how that handled it all. But there is a big difference in that story and this one, and some how turning this into a comedy seems to defeat the story...

The girls certainly have a bit of their father (the Dominarea bloodline) in them but also part of the family their mothers came from. It's certainly possible that some of those mothers had been beloved in their worlds. Take Belgium's Albert the 1st for example. Had the Senate of Belgium more say then yes- the Germans would have just walked right through into France; it's true- thus avoiding the Rape of Belgium while dooming France.

but I digress with political theory. I must recognize our differences and work past them and as stated concede for the sake of the project.

In that, I'll say that there will certainly be routes where they do become evil. The half vampire one is a good example; as such is something my character tend to be very capable of doing- becoming a villain. They are meant to be flawed- tainted individuals which makes them dynamic characters. They are also meant to eventually develop rivalries with one another (though the severity would depend on how much of their memories have been restored)- for example- if the character hasn't had their memories restored they are more likely to think about Earth then their own realm which will cause friction with the culture they are interacting with yet also make a softer ending more likely.

Though I can't help but feel that such an ending would just leave room for some other power hungry vile slime to take power - to fill the void of political power. I honestly do feel that putting one of them as Empress will fill the void and stabilize the Empire making peace easier as it need only be worked out with one ruler compared to many.

[Harbertia]

@Avalon: I'm slightly concerned with the discontinuation of responses but; I'll fill you in a bit more.

The idea is as stated inspired by MK Klassic but also MKX.

Namely in the stories of Jade, Kitana, and Meleena from the MK series.

*gore warning*

Mileena in MKX is interesting I'll say.

Also I choose to go with theSpecial Forces as my faction in the game.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

@Avalon: I'm slightly concerned with the discontinuation of responses but; I'll fill you in a bit more.

The idea is as stated inspired by MK Klassic but also MKX.

Namely in the stories of Jade, Kitana, and Meleena from the MK series.

*gore warning*

Mileena in MKX is interesting I'll say.

Also I choose to go with theSpecial Forces as my faction in the game.

Eh, this is my problem with stuff like that, those guys are firing 5.56 x 45mm NATO rounds, how in the Hell would that not kill a fleshy demon thing? It is some Hella suspension of belief for me to be fooled into thinking their skin is anything more than Level II to maybe Level IIIA, like impervious to stabbing and cutting? Sure, a freaking bullet though? Maybe if it is like .22lr up to 9mm, sure, but I feel like no living creature could shrug off anything larger than a .40S&W, .45ACP should at the least penetrate most any living being.

Don't worry about my silence, I was just busy most the day.

[Rednael]

@Avalon: I'm slightly concerned with the discontinuation of responses but; I'll fill you in a bit more.

The idea is as stated inspired by MK Klassic but also MKX.

Namely in the stories of Jade, Kitana, and Meleena from the MK series.

*gore warning*

Mileena in MKX is interesting I'll say.

Also I choose to go with theSpecial Forces as my faction in the game.

Eh, this is my problem with stuff like that, those guys are firing 5.56 x 45mm NATO rounds, how in the Hell would that not kill a fleshy demon thing? It is some Hella suspension of belief for me to be fooled into thinking their skin is anything more than Level II to maybe Level IIIA, like impervious to stabbing and cutting? Sure, a freaking bullet though? Maybe if it is like .22lr up to 9mm, sure, but I feel like no living creature could shrug off anything larger than a .40S&W, .45ACP should at the least penetrate most any living being.

Don't worry about my silence, I was just busy most the day.

Perhaps these demons that they faced have simply evolved to have such a high density skin or some form of natural armor, that the almighty 5.56mm NATO do not affect them?

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

Eh, this is my problem with stuff like that, those guys are firing 5.56 x 45mm NATO rounds, how in the Hell would that not kill a fleshy demon thing? It is some Hella suspension of belief for me to be fooled into thinking their skin is anything more than Level II to maybe Level IIIA, like impervious to stabbing and cutting? Sure, a freaking bullet though? Maybe if it is like .22lr up to 9mm, sure, but I feel like no living creature could shrug off anything larger than a .40S&W, .45ACP should at the least penetrate most any living being.

Don't worry about my silence, I was just busy most the day.

Perhaps these demons that they faced have simply evolved to have such a high density skin or some form of natural armor, that the almighty 5.56mm NATO do not affect them?

That makes little to no sense to me though, they are made of flesh, bone, and blood, toughest thing on the planet to shoot is a elephant or rhino depending on who you ask - even these creatures at the very least get affected by a bullet the size of my ring finger.

What explains how these monsters take that abuse? If their skin was so tough and durable how do they move so effortlessly? This is why fantasy bugs me, so many questions unable to be answered. That is one reason I love GATE and how it does it, because the dragons and monsters get seriously blown apart by the JSDF and their gear, as it should be. Magic is nothing to technology other than something to laugh at, Harry Potter is nothing compared to a .45ACP - the whole book series could have been solved by someone just popping a cap in old Voldermort's asscrack from the start.

Magic for the sake of "It is fantasy" is like literally the bane of my existence. If it cannot be scientifically explained it does not deserve to exist. And I am sorry, but it makes no sense to me how an unarmored creature can take anything aside from small arms fire and shrug it off, you start hitting that thing with .45ACp, 5.56x45mm NATO, 7.62x39mmR, 7.62x51mm NATO and it should be going down like a sack of potatoes. 5.56 penetrate real good, the 39mmR dumps energy well and opens a pretty big ass wound front face. Bullets are just the way to go, magic is obsolete in the face of the war machine man has made. Anything to be done by magic can be done by man.

Power over lightning? Tesla and his creations.
Fire? Flamethrower.
Water? Every firetruck can do this.
Earth? You can artificially cause an earthquake and shape the land by manual means.

Magic is kind of useless to the modern world as it sits, and it seems kind of cheap for the enemy to just be better because they need to be for the narrative to make sense, if they must be stronger for that reason then they need to be designed stronger and in a way that is not the cop out of "Oh, its magic" that is a boring explanation that has no opportunity to be explored and understood.

[Harbertia]

Perhaps these demons that they faced have simply evolved to have such a high density skin or some form of natural armor, that the almighty 5.56mm NATO do not affect them?

That makes little to no sense to me though, they are made of flesh, bone, and blood, toughest thing on the planet to shoot is a elephant or rhino depending on who you ask - even these creatures at the very least get affected by a bullet the size of my ring finger.

What explains how these monsters take that abuse? If their skin was so tough and durable how do they move so effortlessly? This is why fantasy bugs me, so many questions unable to be answered. That is one reason I love GATE and how it does it, because the dragons and monsters get seriously blown apart by the JSDF and their gear, as it should be. Magic is nothing to technology other than something to laugh at, Harry Potter is nothing compared to a .45ACP - the whole book series could have been solved by someone just popping a cap in old Voldermort's asscrack from the start.

Magic for the sake of "It is fantasy" is like literally the bane of my existence. If it cannot be scientifically explained it does not deserve to exist. And I am sorry, but it makes no sense to me how an unarmored creature can take anything aside from small arms fire and shrug it off, you start hitting that thing with .45ACp, 5.56x45mm NATO, 7.62x39mmR, 7.62x51mm NATO and it should be going down like a sack of potatoes. 5.56 penetrate real good, the 39mmR dumps energy well and opens a pretty big ass wound front face. Bullets are just the way to go, magic is obsolete in the face of the war machine man has made. Anything to be done by magic can be done by man.

Power over lightning? Tesla and his creations.
Fire? Flamethrower.
Water? Every firetruck can do this.
Earth? You can artificially cause an earthquake and shape the land by manual means.

Magic is kind of useless to the modern world as it sits, and it seems kind of cheap for the enemy to just be better because they need to be for the narrative to make sense, if they must be stronger for that reason then they need to be designed stronger and in a way that is not the cop out of "Oh, its magic" that is a boring explanation that has no opportunity to be explored and understood.

Would you say Terra being shot and transforming into that monster is hogwash?

That she should be dead already?

By such logic I do; nothing heals that fast- it's magic- you can call it a mutant but it's still magic because no mutant is like that and if they where they would be prone to cancer and they'd die from it. Terra able to fly? That's utter fantasy.

Fantasy is our way of not limiting our imagination with what is as it focus on what is not; the essence of imagination.

If a dragon can be killed with an AR-15 is it any more impressive then a lion?

We need challenges to feel an achievement and their is no joy in slaughter animals. In stalking, and killing yes (I confess that is a thrill) but the actual kill is less rewarding then succeeding in the hunt. Like the journey is more enjoyable then the destination when it comes to hunting (the destination being the kill).

Edit: I do think that for the sake of fair play what 'isn't' but 'has become' the products of fantasy should operate under a logic agreed upon by those involved. It's why magic users say incantations- it's so warriors have a chance to stop them before they do the impossible.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

That makes little to no sense to me though, they are made of flesh, bone, and blood, toughest thing on the planet to shoot is a elephant or rhino depending on who you ask - even these creatures at the very least get affected by a bullet the size of my ring finger.

What explains how these monsters take that abuse? If their skin was so tough and durable how do they move so effortlessly? This is why fantasy bugs me, so many questions unable to be answered. That is one reason I love GATE and how it does it, because the dragons and monsters get seriously blown apart by the JSDF and their gear, as it should be. Magic is nothing to technology other than something to laugh at, Harry Potter is nothing compared to a .45ACP - the whole book series could have been solved by someone just popping a cap in old Voldermort's asscrack from the start.

Magic for the sake of "It is fantasy" is like literally the bane of my existence. If it cannot be scientifically explained it does not deserve to exist. And I am sorry, but it makes no sense to me how an unarmored creature can take anything aside from small arms fire and shrug it off, you start hitting that thing with .45ACp, 5.56x45mm NATO, 7.62x39mmR, 7.62x51mm NATO and it should be going down like a sack of potatoes. 5.56 penetrate real good, the 39mmR dumps energy well and opens a pretty big ass wound front face. Bullets are just the way to go, magic is obsolete in the face of the war machine man has made. Anything to be done by magic can be done by man.

Power over lightning? Tesla and his creations.
Fire? Flamethrower.
Water? Every firetruck can do this.
Earth? You can artificially cause an earthquake and shape the land by manual means.

Magic is kind of useless to the modern world as it sits, and it seems kind of cheap for the enemy to just be better because they need to be for the narrative to make sense, if they must be stronger for that reason then they need to be designed stronger and in a way that is not the cop out of "Oh, its magic" that is a boring explanation that has no opportunity to be explored and understood.

Would you say Terra being shot and transforming into that monster is hogwash?

That she should be dead already?

By such logic I do; nothing heals that fast- it's magic- you can call it a mutant but it's still magic because no mutant is like that and if they where they would be prone to cancer and they'd die from it. Terra able to fly? That's utter fantasy.

Fantasy is our way of not limiting our imagination with what is as it focus on what is not; the essence of imagination.

If a dragon can be killed with an AR-15 is it any more impressive then a lion?

We need challenges to feel an achievement and their is no joy in slaughter animals. In stalking, and killing yes (I confess that is a thrill) but the actual kill is less rewarding then succeeding in the hunt. Like the journey is more enjoyable then the destination when it comes to hunting (the destination being the kill).

Edit: I do think that for the sake of fair play what 'isn't' but 'has become' the products of fantasy should operate under a logic agreed upon by those involved. It's why magic users say incantations- it's so warriors have a chance to stop them before they do the impossible.

But "balance" is unfair and makes no sense - Rainbow Six Siege for instance, Battlefield also
They "nerf" things as players bitch and so forth.
... How can you change the reality of it? Okay so stepping in a Kapkan Trap (he plants a C4 based IED) sucks, IEDs are a bitch, but guess what? Look at the doorway BEFORE you step into it, play stupid games you win stupid prizes and you have no sympathy from me.
Back when I played Battlefield they had the A-10, you all know the memes, well they nerfed it eventually and the CAS plane was just as strong as the normal one, even though they fired two very differently sized bullets because tank players were pissed at getting blown up constantly... Hmmm, maybe they should have TAKEN OUT THE ANTIARMOR CLOSE AIR SUPPORT
I digress
What irks me is bending reality to suit it, instead fantasy should be an enhancement of it. If something seemingly normal can resist bullets, okay, but there has to be a reason at the very molecular level or more. Hell, for all I know those demons could have skin that basically acts as some form of advanced kevlar, what irritates me is that if it does then why are they not way more rigid in movement? That is like zombie movies, okay, have the zombies run really fast, and not give a damn if you shoot them anywhere but the head - makes sense, when you turn that shuts all the limiters in the brain off, but there will be zombies with all sorts of broken limbs then too because they don't have the sense to not go "HUMAN!" and try to punch no holds barred through a glass window way tougher than their hand, you get my point there.

Perhaps the breaking of reality and the suspension of belief is not what gets me, it is inconsistency.

GATE, I love it, never watched it cause at one point in the anime Russian, CIA, and French? Don't quote me on the French part, there were three teams though. Are coming to kill Rory. A girl with an AXE, manages to murder all three teams? Dudes with Night vision, heavy weapons, typical Zero Dark Thirty stuff. Takes them out no problem. I am supposed to believe a freaking loli with an oversized shoehorn could take on not one, but three SOF units and win? And you can say "She's the demi-god of death" to which I answer that deity or not a bullet would hurt like an MFer and little girls are not bulletproof (That sounded way more screwed up than I intended)

Harry Potter, irks me to no end because seriously, when Volderfart and his crew are in that house, roll up next door or a few doors down with a Barret, sit up in the window, POP, problem solved. No way he could block a round he has no idea is coming, this guy is not omniscient. Same for Superman, you get a kryptonite tipped bullet, roll up far enough away, cause a ton of noise right near him (car bombs would do), how would he hear or feel the bullet coming to cap his ass? No way. At least not until it was too late.

I would be willing to say on the dragon small arms fire might be less effective because I have seen alligators be pissed off enough to not care if you blasted them anywhere but the head, and while a head shot would wound them you really want a rifle or a slug because right between their eyes is dense and tough as Hell, pistols just seem to piss them off. So if you enlarge that to the size of a dragon which is massive, reason would say that any rifle aside from a .50BMG would just not penetrate hard enough. It may even not get pierced by any caliber up to your typical sniper rifle rounds bigger than my finger given the scales. That is the thing, elephants and rhinos are hard to take down with guns not because it is impossible to get through their skin but simply because they are so meaty it is hard to hit any structures that matter like the heart or brain.

The dragon is a tough one, because reason would say a sword meant to pierce armor (French Arming Sword as an example) would do really well against it? Those scales are the variable, cause I once read an article talking about dragons and saying that all these similar myths must have some basis, and after logical thinking they concluded that real life dragons would of had gas sacks in their bodies that they could release and then click their jaws (the back teeth coated in say platinum) and ignite the gas to breath fire, that sack would also aid the massive beast in flight. Eh, kind of crazy, but the logical behind that makes a bit of sense when explained in a way that is not "Oh look, a bigass monster for the sake of a bigass monster!"

I guess I am just thinking from a gaming point more than anything, you get paired up against a monster and they go "Oh here, fight this." Like... it is a MONSTER and you give a fella a sword? If a sword could kill this thing don't call in some magical champion call in an ARMY of guys with swords and arrows. Or Hell, if it is just THIS sword that does something, why? Can we apply that to more swords with this "magic"? I mean, Hello, work smarter not harder; why stab this thing in the junk with one pointy stick when we can mutilate it with a bunch. Magic used to *drive* the narrative annoys me. I mean come on, if these massive thing just killed an entire army, why would you send a child with just a sword to fight it? You send a bigger army. "Oh but the sword is magical and will kill the thing." Bullshit.

I like to write the realm of fantasy as an extension of reality. Reality does not just get thrown out the window, how to put it, magic is not the ONLY solution to a problem, it is just an option. That little gland in a mage's head generates a field after it burns calories, that field is able to be changed by that same gland and it performs all the fantastical stuff. No "Mary Sue" as it is put. Witches eat a ton if they use magic a lot, witches are not bulletproof, it takes years to study how to actually do magic and control it. Is that true to life? No, but it makes sense enough that you can nod your head and go "Yeah, kind of makes sense." Hordes of demons flooding through an inter-dimensional gate and destroying whole armies just cause? No, because there is no given reason why a bullet to the dome would not murder these things in a second flat other than 'We want to show a ton of carnage and blood for the sake of that." And let me guess, later on in the game someone karate chops one to Death. That is always the case, whatever it is, they bring in a heavy weight guy, he fails, so it looks more spectacular when the featherweight guy wins. It is old, it is cliche, and worst of all it just most the time makes no sense.

[Harbertia]

Ok....

At work I have been giving this some thought and I was just gonna throw a lot out the window but after reading your long rant I realize I don't have to.

Actually I do since your just making it sci-fi.

Heck I don't buy into the gland thing- so let's just not have pychics or magic. Gland thing eug.

I'd rather have no magic then some gland thing. That's as farfetched as Bioshock.

So I guess something like star wars without the force? What is this setting now? What am I supposed to visualize? OM&T? Pft no that is rediculus it's self.

What is this world is it like our own miserable life? What am I looking at?

... Alright so what modern technology? I do not want sci-fi. I am a bit of a technophobe. No cybernetics no mutation just organic alien life I suppose- is this xcom?

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

Ok....

At work I have been giving this some thought and I was just gonna throw a lot out the window but after reading your long rant I realize I don't have to.

Actually I do since your just making it sci-fi.

Heck I don't buy into the gland thing- so let's just not have pychics or magic. Gland thing eug.

I'd rather have no magic then some gland thing. That's as farfetched as Bioshock.

So I guess something like star wars without the force? What is this setting now? What am I supposed to visualize? OM&T? Pft no that is rediculus it's self.

What is this world is it like our own miserable life? What am I looking at?

... Alright so what modern technology? I do not want sci-fi. I am a bit of a technophobe. No cybernetics no mutation just organic alien life I suppose- is this xcom?

I never knew you were a technophobe.
Use that, make the aliens some weird technological monstrosity.
If you personally view the idea as evil, that makes it so much easier to write the villains.

[Harbertia]

Ok....

At work I have been giving this some thought and I was just gonna throw a lot out the window but after reading your long rant I realize I don't have to.

Actually I do since your just making it sci-fi.

Heck I don't buy into the gland thing- so let's just not have pychics or magic. Gland thing eug.

I'd rather have no magic then some gland thing. That's as farfetched as Bioshock.

So I guess something like star wars without the force? What is this setting now? What am I supposed to visualize? OM&T? Pft no that is rediculus it's self.

What is this world is it like our own miserable life? What am I looking at?

... Alright so what modern technology? I do not want sci-fi. I am a bit of a technophobe. No cybernetics no mutation just organic alien life I suppose- is this xcom?

I never knew you were a technophobe.
Use that, make the aliens some weird technological monstrosity.
If you personally view the idea as evil, that makes it so much easier to write the villains.

That would work if not for me wanting to focus in the princesses- as in play one.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

I never knew you were a technophobe.
Use that, make the aliens some weird technological monstrosity.
If you personally view the idea as evil, that makes it so much easier to write the villains.

That would work if not for me wanting to focus in the princesses- as in play one.

Yeah, throws that out I suppose, we need someone who plays a really good serious villain.
Is Ryn around? He does serious characters well, I bet he would volunteer XD

[Rynagria]

That would work if not for me wanting to focus in the princesses- as in play one.

Yeah, throws that out I suppose, we need someone who plays a really good serious villain.
Is Ryn around? He does serious characters well, I bet he would volunteer XD

I have been summoned.

What, have I ever done any villain I’ve played justice? I don’t think so, at most their two dimensional characters that are only meant to be stepped on by the player characters for progress. At most my antagonists have no real form and I doubt that people can relate to them very well.

[Harbertia]

Yeah, throws that out I suppose, we need someone who plays a really good serious villain.
Is Ryn around? He does serious characters well, I bet he would volunteer XD

I have been summoned.

What, have I ever done any villain I’ve played justice? I don’t think so, at most their two dimensional characters that are only meant to be stepped on by the player characters for progress. At most my antagonists have no real form and I doubt that people can relate to them very well.

That's perfect- that's what we are looking for! That's why I can't do it- even when I make a 'bad' character people love them- and I don't want that with this. The character is literally meant to be 2D and quashed while giving us plenty of reason to hate them. Plus the character really doesn't have form at all right now so that's not an issue. He's was just a military leader under the Old Emperor who is now trying to reunite the Empire under him.

Come to think of it- he might have some character you can give him- the Empire shattered when the Emperor died and his daughters where made to forget who they where and hidden from the various factions seeking independence, the throne, or to press the war regardless of the embarrassing defeat.

Who knows- maybe he caused the Emperor's death in a fashion similar to how Benedict Arnold tried to betray Washington or perhaps he initially started this not knowing about the sisters survival and even when he finds out he continues having become accustomed to power; where he once served he is now the master.

But in all honest we just expect and welcome you to play the villain as you usually do as that's presently the type of character he is. Just an obstacle we really don't have to think twice about defeating.

[Rynagria]

I have been summoned.

What, have I ever done any villain I’ve played justice? I don’t think so, at most their two dimensional characters that are only meant to be stepped on by the player characters for progress. At most my antagonists have no real form and I doubt that people can relate to them very well.

That's perfect- that's what we are looking for! That's why I can't do it- even when I make a 'bad' character people love them- and I don't want that with this. The character is literally meant to be 2D and quashed while giving us plenty of reason to hate them. Plus the character really doesn't have form at all right now so that's not an issue. He's was just a military leader under the Old Emperor who is now trying to reunite the Empire under him.

Come to think of it- he might have some character you can give him- the Empire shattered when the Emperor died and his daughters where made to forget who they where and hidden from the various factions seeking independence, the throne, or to press the war regardless of the embarrassing defeat.

Who knows- maybe he caused the Emperor's death in a fashion similar to how Benedict Arnold tried to betray Washington or perhaps he initially started this not knowing about the sisters survival and even when he finds out he continues having become accustomed to power; where he once served he is now the master.

But in all honest we just expect and welcome you to play the villain as you usually do as that's presently the type of character he is. Just an obstacle we really don't have to think twice about defeating.

So the details about him is as follows:

• Former Military Leader, probably a General at most and a Colonel at the least.
• Took power after the death of the Emperor, potentially involved with the expiration of the Emperor.
• Does not know that the late Emperor still has living successors, which will most likely bite him in the rear end later on.
• Once the villain has gotten information that successors are alive, will still pursue power.
• Ultimate goal is to unite the Empire under him entirely.

If these are correct, I have some ideas as to where the character can be taken. First of all, presumably with chaos consuming the empire after the death of its head, will have initially gathered his forces to enforce Marshall law under the pretense of keeping the peace. Using fear and brute force, has successfully stabilized the section he as taken under control. Afterwards, begins to draft able bodied men to his military arm to prepare the conquest of the rest of the empire.

In terms of philosophy, those he sees as a weak link made an example of and executed. Slightly paranoid, any signs of potential mutiny against him will lead to him executing the subjects. Perhaps a slight obsession on efficiency or something.

EDIT: Having people not like a person because they're the bad guy is impossible, at best the majority will hate/look down/other descriptions for strong dislike is the best outcome.

[Harbertia]

That's perfect- that's what we are looking for! That's why I can't do it- even when I make a 'bad' character people love them- and I don't want that with this. The character is literally meant to be 2D and quashed while giving us plenty of reason to hate them. Plus the character really doesn't have form at all right now so that's not an issue. He's was just a military leader under the Old Emperor who is now trying to reunite the Empire under him.

Come to think of it- he might have some character you can give him- the Empire shattered when the Emperor died and his daughters where made to forget who they where and hidden from the various factions seeking independence, the throne, or to press the war regardless of the embarrassing defeat.

Who knows- maybe he caused the Emperor's death in a fashion similar to how Benedict Arnold tried to betray Washington or perhaps he initially started this not knowing about the sisters survival and even when he finds out he continues having become accustomed to power; where he once served he is now the master.

But in all honest we just expect and welcome you to play the villain as you usually do as that's presently the type of character he is. Just an obstacle we really don't have to think twice about defeating.

So the details about him is as follows:

• Former Military Leader, probably a General at most and a Colonel at the least.
• Took power after the death of the Emperor, potentially involved with the expiration of the Emperor.
• Does not know that the late Emperor still has living successors, which will most likely bite him in the rear end later on.
• Once the villain has gotten information that successors are alive, will still pursue power.
• Ultimate goal is to unite the Empire under him entirely.

If these are correct, I have some ideas as to where the character can be taken. First of all, presumably with chaos consuming the empire after the death of its head, will have initially gathered his forces to enforce Marshall law under the pretense of keeping the peace. Using fear and brute force, has successfully stabilized the section he as taken under control. Afterwards, begins to draft able bodied men to his military arm to prepare the conquest of the rest of the empire.

In terms of philosophy, those he sees as a weak link made an example of and executed. Slightly paranoid, any signs of potential mutiny against him will lead to him executing the subjects. Perhaps a slight obsession on efficiency or something.

EDIT: Having people not like a person because they're the bad guy is impossible, at best the majority will hate/look down/other descriptions for strong dislike is the best outcome.

I like this, and approve. Av, how does this sound to you?

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

So the details about him is as follows:

• Former Military Leader, probably a General at most and a Colonel at the least.
• Took power after the death of the Emperor, potentially involved with the expiration of the Emperor.
• Does not know that the late Emperor still has living successors, which will most likely bite him in the rear end later on.
• Once the villain has gotten information that successors are alive, will still pursue power.
• Ultimate goal is to unite the Empire under him entirely.

If these are correct, I have some ideas as to where the character can be taken. First of all, presumably with chaos consuming the empire after the death of its head, will have initially gathered his forces to enforce Marshall law under the pretense of keeping the peace. Using fear and brute force, has successfully stabilized the section he as taken under control. Afterwards, begins to draft able bodied men to his military arm to prepare the conquest of the rest of the empire.

In terms of philosophy, those he sees as a weak link made an example of and executed. Slightly paranoid, any signs of potential mutiny against him will lead to him executing the subjects. Perhaps a slight obsession on efficiency or something.

EDIT: Having people not like a person because they're the bad guy is impossible, at best the majority will hate/look down/other descriptions for strong dislike is the best outcome.

I like this, and approve. Av, how does this sound to you?

Sounds good to me

[Harbertia]

I like this, and approve. Av, how does this sound to you?

Sounds good to me

Excellent

[Rynagria]

Sounds good to me

Excellent

So where does this character suppose to exist in?