1850: The White Man's Burden (OOC/AH/Open)

[Era the Mind]

Because I don't fucking want to be. Seriously, you're on my last nerve. This is an AH, the events you're talking about happened over a century before the events today, and I can have my own dynasty if I want to. For Christ's sake, France is part of a Federation with Aragon, and they both lead the Federation. Netherlands, and Belgium, and other client states aren't part of the Empire. The French aren't the most powerful force on the planet.

It still doesn't make sense to have killed every single claimant to the French throne in France, you keep saying these absurd rationalization as to how you killed a few hundred people at once.

... I'm ignoring you, and getting ready for bed (not blocking, just ignoring). If you had left it alone, and stopped with your nitpicking, then everything would have been fine. Drop it. I'm done, seriously. I am not in the mood for this bullshit right now, or ever.

Because I don't fucking want to be. Seriously, you're on my last nerve. This is an AH, the events you're talking about happened over a century before the events today, and I can have my own dynasty if I want to. For Christ's sake, France is part of a Federation with Aragon, and they both lead the Federation. Netherlands, and Belgium, and other client states aren't part of the Empire. The French aren't the most powerful force on the planet.

The Netherlands(including Belgium) aren't your client state.

Stop getting mad at Cabana, he is bringing up good points. Part of rping is talking to and receiving constructive criticism from others. And this isn't even criticism.

That's my point. They SHOULD be, but they aren't. It's an AH, and they need to get over that fact.

[Era the Mind]

And you're right, Sanabel. It isn't criticism; it's the nitpicking of someone who wants to mold my nation in their own way. Well, guess what? He/she can't.

[Yurizlansia]

Full Nation Name: The Kingdom India
Short Nation Name: India
National Flag:

Territory: The rest of India that is not claimed.
Colonies: N/A
Official Language(s): Marathi, and Sanskrit
Form of Government: Monarchy
Head of State: Nana Sahib
Head of Government: Same as above
Capital City: Satara
Population: 100 million
Ethnicities: Indian, British, and French
Culture: Indian/East, Hindu
Religion: Hindu
Army: Total men: 900,000. Infantry: 700,000, Cavalry: 180,000 Artillery: 20,000. Organised into regiments, and platoons. Not very well armed, but pretty modern for the region. Has some experience fighting rebels, not particularly remarkable.
Navy: 100 dhows, and a lot of privateers that harass European warships. All of the recorded ships are in one fleet, while the privateers are spread throughout the Indian Ocean.
Economic Strength: Fairly wealthy. They make a lot of money off of the spice trade and privateering. There are also a lot of unexploited resources throughout the subcontinent. The government makes about 6,000 dollars per year after expenses.
Infrastructure: Very poor. The undeveloped infrastructure has been a hinderance to the Indian army for years. It affects the movement of the army, and trade quite drastically. It has been the plan of Sahib to reform it to improve the Marathan’s effectiveness in war.
Scientific Research and Development: Very little scientific research has been conducted here. For the most part, they adopt the tactics of other Europeans. However, due to the very conservative values of the Hindu religion philosophical ideas have very little impact there.
Primary Goals: Secure the Indian subcontinent, and form an empire to be the envy of the Eastern world.
History: Balaji Bajirao encouraged agriculture, protected the villagers, and brought about a marked improvement in the state of the territory. Continued expansion saw Raghunath Rao, the brother of Nanasaheb, pushing into in the wake of the Afghan withdrawal after Ahmed Shah Abdali's plunder of Delhi in 1756. Delhi was captured by Maratha army under Raghunath Rao in August 1757 defeating Afghan garrison in the Battle of Delhi. This laid the foundation for the Maratha conquest of North-west India. In Lahore, as in Delhi, the Marathas were now major players. After Battle of Attock, 1758, the Marathas captured Peshawar defeating the Afghan troops in the Battle of Peshawar on 8 May 1758.[9] In 1759, The Marathas under Sadashivrao Bhau (referred to as the Bhau or Bhao in sources) responded to the news of the Afghans' return to North India by sending a big army to North. Bhau's force was bolstered by some Maratha forces under Holkar, Scindia, Gaikwad and Govind Pant Bundele. The combined army of over 100,000 regular troops had re-captured the former Mughal capital, Delhi, from an Afghan garrison in August 1760. Delhi had been reduced to ashes many times due to previous invasions, and in addition there being acute shortage of supplies in the Maratha camp. Bhau ordered the sacking of the already depopulated city. He is said to have planned to place his nephew and the Peshwa's son, Vishwasrao, on the Mughal throne. By 1760, with defeat of the Nizam in the Deccan, Maratha power had reached its zenith with a territory of over 2,800,000 km² acres. Ahmad Shah Durrani, then called Rohillas and Nawab of Oudh to assist him in driving out 'infidel' Marathas from Delhi. Huge armies of Muslim forces and Marathas collided with each other on 14 January 1761 in the Third Battle of Panipat. The Maratha army lost the battle which halted imperial expansion. The Jats and Rajputs did not support the Marathas. Their withdrawal from the ensuing battle played a crucial role in its result. Hindutva-sympathisising historians have criticised the Maratha treatment of fellow Hindu groups. Kaushik Roy says "The treatment of Marathas with their co-religionist fellows – Jats and Rajputs was definitely unfair, and ultimately they had to pay its price in Panipat where Muslim forces had united in the name of religion."[32] The Marathas had antagonised the Jats and Rajputs by taxing them heavily, punishing them after defeating the Mughals and interfering in their internal affairs. The Marathas were abandoned by Raja Suraj Mal of Bharatpur and the Rajputs who quit the Maratha alliance at Agra before the start of the great battle and withdrew their troops, as Maratha general Sadashivrao Bhau did not heed the advice to leave soldier's families (women and children) and pilgrims at Agra and not take them to the battle field with the soldiers, rejected their cooperation. Their supply chains (earlier assured by Raja Suraj Mal and Rajputs) did not exist. After the Marathan Kingdom formed, the Kingdom of India essentially split from it.
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[Era the Mind]

Full Nation Name: The Empire of India
Short Nation Name: India
National Flag:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Flag_of_the_Maratha_Empire.svg/125px-Flag_of_the_Maratha_Empire.svg.png

Territory: Everything on India that is not in green
Colonies: N/A
Official Language(s): Marathi, and Sanskrit
Form of Government: Monarchy
Head of State: Nana Sahib
Head of Government: Same as above
Capital City: Satara
Population: 100 million
Ethnicities: Indian, British, and French
Culture: Indian/East, Hindu
Religion: Hindu
Army: Total men: 900,000. Infantry: 700,000, Cavalry: 180,000 Artillery: 20,000. Organised into regiments, and platoons. Not very well armed, but pretty modern for the region. Has some experience fighting rebels, not particularly remarkable.
Navy: 100 dhows, and a lot of privateers that harass European warships. All of the recorded ships are in one fleet, while the privateers are spread throughout the Indian Ocean.
Economic Strength: Fairly wealthy. They make a lot of money off of the spice trade and privateering. There are also a lot of unexploited resources throughout the subcontinent. The government makes about 6,000 dollars per year.
Infrastructure: Very poor. The undeveloped infrastructure has been a hinderance to the Indian army for years. It affects the movement of the army, and trade quite drastically. It has been the plan of Sahib to reform it to improve the Marathan’s effectiveness in war.
Scientific Research and Development: Very little scientific research has been conducted here. For the most part, they adopt the tactics of other Europeans. However, due to the very conservative values of the Hindu religion philosophical ideas have very little impact there.
Primary Goals: Secure the Indian subcontinent, and form an empire to be the envy of the Eastern world.
History: It was only in 1818 when the Marathans won the Anglo-Marathan war. When the British attempted the crossing of the Ganges River, they were surrounded and defeated, After that, they managed to push back the British and secure their empire for themselves.
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Wouldn't it be a Kingdom? They don't qualify to be an empire, as they don't have territories like the British (if they were here as an empire) or French do.

[Sanabel]

Full Nation Name: The Empire of India
Short Nation Name: India
National Flag:

(Image)

Territory: Everything on India that is not in green
Colonies: N/A
Official Language(s): Marathi, and Sanskrit
Form of Government: Monarchy
Head of State: Nana Sahib
Head of Government: Same as above
Capital City: Satara
Population: 100 million
Ethnicities: Indian, British, and French
Culture: Indian/East, Hindu
Religion: Hindu
Army: Total men: 900,000. Infantry: 700,000, Cavalry: 180,000 Artillery: 20,000. Organised into regiments, and platoons. Not very well armed, but pretty modern for the region. Has some experience fighting rebels, not particularly remarkable.
Navy: 100 dhows, and a lot of privateers that harass European warships. All of the recorded ships are in one fleet, while the privateers are spread throughout the Indian Ocean.
Economic Strength: Fairly wealthy. They make a lot of money off of the spice trade and privateering. There are also a lot of unexploited resources throughout the subcontinent. The government makes about 6,000 dollars per year.
Infrastructure: Very poor. The undeveloped infrastructure has been a hinderance to the Indian army for years. It affects the movement of the army, and trade quite drastically. It has been the plan of Sahib to reform it to improve the Marathan’s effectiveness in war.
Scientific Research and Development: Very little scientific research has been conducted here. For the most part, they adopt the tactics of other Europeans. However, due to the very conservative values of the Hindu religion philosophical ideas have very little impact there.
Primary Goals: Secure the Indian subcontinent, and form an empire to be the envy of the Eastern world.
History: It was only in 1818 when the Marathans won the Anglo-Marathan war. When the British attempted the crossing of the Ganges River, they were surrounded and defeated, After that, they managed to push back the British and secure their empire for themselves.
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There's no British empire in this RP.

[Era the Mind]

Full Nation Name: The Empire of India
Short Nation Name: India
National Flag:

(Image)

Territory: Everything on India that is not in green
Colonies: N/A
Official Language(s): Marathi, and Sanskrit
Form of Government: Monarchy
Head of State: Nana Sahib
Head of Government: Same as above
Capital City: Satara
Population: 100 million
Ethnicities: Indian, British, and French
Culture: Indian/East, Hindu
Religion: Hindu
Army: Total men: 900,000. Infantry: 700,000, Cavalry: 180,000 Artillery: 20,000. Organised into regiments, and platoons. Not very well armed, but pretty modern for the region. Has some experience fighting rebels, not particularly remarkable.
Navy: 100 dhows, and a lot of privateers that harass European warships. All of the recorded ships are in one fleet, while the privateers are spread throughout the Indian Ocean.
Economic Strength: Fairly wealthy. They make a lot of money off of the spice trade and privateering. There are also a lot of unexploited resources throughout the subcontinent. The government makes about 6,000 dollars per year.
Infrastructure: Very poor. The undeveloped infrastructure has been a hinderance to the Indian army for years. It affects the movement of the army, and trade quite drastically. It has been the plan of Sahib to reform it to improve the Marathan’s effectiveness in war.
Scientific Research and Development: Very little scientific research has been conducted here. For the most part, they adopt the tactics of other Europeans. However, due to the very conservative values of the Hindu religion philosophical ideas have very little impact there.
Primary Goals: Secure the Indian subcontinent, and form an empire to be the envy of the Eastern world.
History: It was only in 1818 when the Marathans won the Anglo-Marathan war. When the British attempted the crossing of the Ganges River, they were surrounded and defeated, After that, they managed to push back the British and secure their empire for themselves.
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There's no British empire in this RP.

I almost did your job for you, but I decided just to make a remark about the kingdom/empire confusion.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Full Nation Name: The Empire of India
Short Nation Name: India
National Flag:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Flag_of_the_Maratha_Empire.svg/125px-Flag_of_the_Maratha_Empire.svg.png

Territory: Everything on India that is not in green
Colonies: N/A
Official Language(s): Marathi, and Sanskrit
Form of Government: Monarchy
Head of State: Nana Sahib
Head of Government: Same as above
Capital City: Satara
Population: 100 million
Ethnicities: Indian, British, and French
Culture: Indian/East, Hindu
Religion: Hindu
Army: Total men: 900,000. Infantry: 700,000, Cavalry: 180,000 Artillery: 20,000. Organised into regiments, and platoons. Not very well armed, but pretty modern for the region. Has some experience fighting rebels, not particularly remarkable.
Navy: 100 dhows, and a lot of privateers that harass European warships. All of the recorded ships are in one fleet, while the privateers are spread throughout the Indian Ocean.
Economic Strength: Fairly wealthy. They make a lot of money off of the spice trade and privateering. There are also a lot of unexploited resources throughout the subcontinent. The government makes about 6,000 dollars per year.
Infrastructure: Very poor. The undeveloped infrastructure has been a hinderance to the Indian army for years. It affects the movement of the army, and trade quite drastically. It has been the plan of Sahib to reform it to improve the Marathan’s effectiveness in war.
Scientific Research and Development: Very little scientific research has been conducted here. For the most part, they adopt the tactics of other Europeans. However, due to the very conservative values of the Hindu religion philosophical ideas have very little impact there.
Primary Goals: Secure the Indian subcontinent, and form an empire to be the envy of the Eastern world.
History: It was only in 1818 when the Marathans won the Anglo-Marathan war. When the British attempted the crossing of the Ganges River, they were surrounded and defeated, After that, they managed to push back the British and secure their empire for themselves.
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Wouldn't it be a Kingdom? They don't qualify to be an empire, as they don't have territories like the British or French do.

An "empire", by definition, is a multiethnic state, or a state composed of more than a single country. India, bearing many, many ethnicites and multiple previous kingdoms, could be considered an empire once unified. The real question is, who gets the rulership? Rajputs? Hindavis? Marathis?


...Nepalis?

[Yurizlansia]

Full Nation Name: The Empire of India
Short Nation Name: India
National Flag:

(Image)

Territory: Everything on India that is not in green
Colonies: N/A
Official Language(s): Marathi, and Sanskrit
Form of Government: Monarchy
Head of State: Nana Sahib
Head of Government: Same as above
Capital City: Satara
Population: 100 million
Ethnicities: Indian, British, and French
Culture: Indian/East, Hindu
Religion: Hindu
Army: Total men: 900,000. Infantry: 700,000, Cavalry: 180,000 Artillery: 20,000. Organised into regiments, and platoons. Not very well armed, but pretty modern for the region. Has some experience fighting rebels, not particularly remarkable.
Navy: 100 dhows, and a lot of privateers that harass European warships. All of the recorded ships are in one fleet, while the privateers are spread throughout the Indian Ocean.
Economic Strength: Fairly wealthy. They make a lot of money off of the spice trade and privateering. There are also a lot of unexploited resources throughout the subcontinent. The government makes about 6,000 dollars per year.
Infrastructure: Very poor. The undeveloped infrastructure has been a hinderance to the Indian army for years. It affects the movement of the army, and trade quite drastically. It has been the plan of Sahib to reform it to improve the Marathan’s effectiveness in war.
Scientific Research and Development: Very little scientific research has been conducted here. For the most part, they adopt the tactics of other Europeans. However, due to the very conservative values of the Hindu religion philosophical ideas have very little impact there.
Primary Goals: Secure the Indian subcontinent, and form an empire to be the envy of the Eastern world.
History: It was only in 1818 when the Marathans won the Anglo-Marathan war. When the British attempted the crossing of the Ganges River, they were surrounded and defeated, After that, they managed to push back the British and secure their empire for themselves.
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There's no British empire in this RP.

I just realized that. I was just going to make it as is but I am in another RP where I won my independence as the Marathan Empire.

[Yurizlansia]

Marathis
Wouldn't it be a Kingdom? They don't qualify to be an empire, as they don't have territories like the British or French do.

An "empire", by definition, is a multiethnic state, or a state composed of more than a single country. India, bearing many, many ethnicites and multiple previous kingdoms, could be considered an empire once unified. The real question is, who gets the rulership? Rajputs? Hindavis? Marathis?


...Nepalis?

[Sanabel]

I'm going to make a post about an insurrection in the Komo Colony. Then to sleep.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

There's no British empire in this RP.

I just realized that. I was just going to make it as is but I am in another RP where I won my independence as the Marathan Empire.

Yeah, just realized "Marathi" is the only official prakrit. That's my question answered, then.

[Yurizlansia]

I just realized that. I was just going to make it as is but I am in another RP where I won my independence as the Marathan Empire.

Yeah, just realized "Marathi" is the only official prakrit. That's my question answered, then.

Was that an insult? Or am I just so groggy I am reading this wrong?

[Ceasario]

I'm going to make a post about an insurrection in the Komo Colony. Then to sleep.

So, is this going to be the Berlin Conference thing, or has that baton gone to the Pope

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Yeah, just realized "Marathi" is the only official prakrit. That's my question answered, then.

Was that an insult? Or am I just so groggy I am reading this wrong?

Not an insult. In my explanation for why India would be an empire, I also asked who had the leadership. I looked back and saw you put your languages as Marathi and Sanskrit, so that answered my question.

[Yurizlansia]

Was that an insult? Or am I just so groggy I am reading this wrong?

Not an insult. In my explanation for why India would be an empire, I also asked who had the leadership. I looked back and saw you put your languages as Marathi and Sanskrit, so that answered my question.

Oh. Are you an OP/Co-OP?

[The Northernmost Americas]

I would like to claim Sudan at the conference. Eritrea as well, perhaps Ethiopia if it's lost is tendency for bad-ass in this timeline. Protecting the Nile and all that.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Not an insult. In my explanation for why India would be an empire, I also asked who had the leadership. I looked back and saw you put your languages as Marathi and Sanskrit, so that answered my question.

Oh. Are you an OP/Co-OP?

Nope.

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Portugal going to conquer most of India!

[Yurizlansia]

Full Nation Name: The Empire of India
Short Nation Name: India
National Flag:

(Image)

Territory: Everything on India that is not in green
Colonies: N/A
Official Language(s): Marathi, and Sanskrit
Form of Government: Monarchy
Head of State: Nana Sahib
Head of Government: Same as above
Capital City: Satara
Population: 100 million
Ethnicities: Indian, British, and French
Culture: Indian/East, Hindu
Religion: Hindu
Army: Total men: 900,000. Infantry: 700,000, Cavalry: 180,000 Artillery: 20,000. Organised into regiments, and platoons. Not very well armed, but pretty modern for the region. Has some experience fighting rebels, not particularly remarkable.
Navy: 100 dhows, and a lot of privateers that harass European warships. All of the recorded ships are in one fleet, while the privateers are spread throughout the Indian Ocean.
Economic Strength: Fairly wealthy. They make a lot of money off of the spice trade and privateering. There are also a lot of unexploited resources throughout the subcontinent. The government makes about 6,000 dollars per year.
Infrastructure: Very poor. The undeveloped infrastructure has been a hinderance to the Indian army for years. It affects the movement of the army, and trade quite drastically. It has been the plan of Sahib to reform it to improve the Marathan’s effectiveness in war.
Scientific Research and Development: Very little scientific research has been conducted here. For the most part, they adopt the tactics of other Europeans. However, due to the very conservative values of the Hindu religion philosophical ideas have very little impact there.
Primary Goals: Secure the Indian subcontinent, and form an empire to be the envy of the Eastern world.
History: It was only in 1818 when the Marathans won the Anglo-Marathan war. When the British attempted the crossing of the Ganges River, they were surrounded and defeated, After that, they managed to push back the British and secure their empire for themselves.
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There's no British empire in this RP.

Am I accepted or should I change my history?

[Era the Mind]

I'll get my first post up tomorrow. Right now, however, I'm taking a sleep!

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Economic Strength: Fairly wealthy. They make a lot of money off of the spice trade and privateering. There are also a lot of unexploited resources throughout the subcontinent. The government makes about 6,000 dollars per year.

How can you wage war with that amount of cash flow?

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Economic Strength: Fairly wealthy. They make a lot of money off of the spice trade and privateering. There are also a lot of unexploited resources throughout the subcontinent. The government makes about 6,000 dollars per year.

How can you wage war with that amount of cash flow?

Adjust for inflation, it's not too bad.

[Yurizlansia]

How can you wage war with that amount of cash flow?

Adjust for inflation, it's not too bad.

Yep.

[Yurizlansia]

Adjust for inflation, it's not too bad.

Yep.

This is also after expenses.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

How can you wage war with that amount of cash flow?

Adjust for inflation, it's not too bad.

Putting through a calculator, and bear in mind that inflation constantly rises, $8000 in 1913 is, in 2015 money:

$191,786.67