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Postby Lavan Tiri » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:43 pm

Cerillium wrote:JUDGES:

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How does one get there if one is a raving idiotic lunatic and somehow a judge?
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Postby The Templar High Council » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:01 pm

Cerillium wrote:JUDGES:

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I'm not a judge, am I? I volunteered as an extra.
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Postby Zarkenis Ultima » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:05 pm

The Templar High Council wrote:
Cerillium wrote:JUDGES:

We need to you stop by the OSF Awards Forum. If you have not already registered, please do so now.

I'm not a judge, am I? I volunteered as an extra.


You were written down as a backup judge volunteer.
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:06 pm

I never actually volunteered but got put up as one :P Time permitting I'll check it out tomorrow.
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Postby The Templar High Council » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:11 pm

Zarkenis Ultima wrote:
The Templar High Council wrote:I'm not a judge, am I? I volunteered as an extra.


You were written down as a backup judge volunteer.

Do I need to attend?
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Postby Cerillium » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:03 pm

The Templar High Council wrote:
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:
You were written down as a backup judge volunteer.

Do I need to attend?

Yep, unless you'd rather not be a judge.



We have the initial tallies in for the RP/RPer/Character portion. We have several ties, and several one-nomination ties with three or more people (several categories). We'd like to have the judges look through things to determine placement. We also have a request for judges to review a tie for character nominations. This is why links were important. :p

We'll move on to judging posts during the week. There aren't many so it will go quickly.

We do need to know who is still available to judge.
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Postby Cerillium » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:19 pm

Original Judge Volunteers
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Cer
Dutch
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Lavan Tiri
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Swith
Tilt
TriStates
Ularn
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Backup Judge Volunteers:
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Currently Registered Judges
Cer
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Lavan Tiri
Nature-Spirits
Star
Swith
Tilt
TriStates
Ularn
Zark the Minty

Currently Registered Backup Judge Volunteers:
Highfort
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Postby Alleniana » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:06 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Cerillium wrote:NOMINATION LIMITATIONS - Multiple Entries
People often don't read through other nominations before submitting their own. Worse, they don't take the time to research. They rush to nominate their friends.

I believe the nominations should be "first, stands". If I'm the first to nominate Swith for Best Horror Post, this is the only entry that will be considered that quarter. Zark can come along and nominate her for Best Horror Post using a different post but it won't count.

This tackles several issues:
  1. It KOs flooding. People will need to be selective when weeding through their Nom list. If they slap up a shitty entry, they might screw that person's chances of winning with a better-written entry.
  2. It prevents crowing. Crowing is poor sportsmanship. "I got five nominations!" Yes, but you're judged on only the first.
  3. It pushes people to explore their threads for writers that might not be nominated normally because they're low on the group's pecking order. It expands the nomination pool.

Unfortunately, it also opens the system to gaming, by allowing people to play spoiler strategies to guarantee that other people win. It's not hard for me to nominate A for a weak post, knowing it will torpedo their chances. Then my bud B can nominate our mutual friend C for an excellent post, knowing that A is out of the running.

I also have serious problems turning the nominations into a clickfest. Nominating first or last should have no effect on the candidate's chances, only their post quality should. If somebody is nominated multiple times for different posts, fine. That may be a symptom of flooding by their friends/RP partners, or it may simply indicate that different people see different good posts they've made as the best. Wading through the multiple entries is why we have judges.

Perhaps we should specify that multiple nominations for a single person in a single category will lead the judges to first select what they collectively believe to be the nominee's best post for the category. The best posts for all nominees in a category will then be compared to determine the winner. This is more work, yes, but I think it's the most fair system.

*gets off soapbox, removes judgemental lawyer's costume*

I had thought of the first one, but I'd hoped we would be beyond that. But, still, my thoughts are:
The post nominated the most times is the one that is considered (or, maybe, the top 2, top 3?)
The person being nominated selects which post they want considered (or, again, top 2, top 3, etc.)
Cerillium wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Now I may be getting too deep :P but a few more suggestions and comments:

Is military like the replacement of the old war category? If so, perhaps espionage would better belong in contemporary adventure? I mean, James Bond kind of thing is the very epitome of both, IMO.

Crime includes detective, mystery sort of thing, right? And quick check, fantasy still means high-fantasy sort of fantasy? (I mean technically sci-fi is fantasy, isn't it)

I based it off this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_role-playing_games_by_genre

Ah, ok. Yeah, the thing is that it doesn't represent what we do on NS so much, because different demographic and stuff.
Though, merging military and adventure... that's an idea, hm.

I volunteered as backup but wasn't added, but I don't really mind if I'm put in or not; if there's an active shortage though, I'll volunteer.
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Postby The Templar High Council » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:56 pm

Cerillium wrote:
The Templar High Council wrote:Do I need to attend?

Yep, unless you'd rather not be a judge.



We have the initial tallies in for the RP/RPer/Character portion. We have several ties, and several one-nomination ties with three or more people (several categories). We'd like to have the judges look through things to determine placement. We also have a request for judges to review a tie for character nominations. This is why links were important. :p

We'll move on to judging posts during the week. There aren't many so it will go quickly.

We do need to know who is still available to judge.

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Postby Swith Witherward » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:17 pm

Alleniana wrote:

Ah, ok. Yeah, the thing is that it doesn't represent what we do on NS so much, because different demographic and stuff.
Though, merging military and adventure... that's an idea, hm.

I volunteered as backup but wasn't added, but I don't really mind if I'm put in or not; if there's an active shortage though, I'll volunteer.

Yep, which is why it was based on it but the wiki list isn't used. :p

Cer's suggested change:
Some RP Genre Suggestions
    Contemporary action/adventure (new)
    Crime (Same, absorbs Mystery)
    Espionage/military (formerly War)
    Fantasy
    Historical/period adventure (new)
    Horror (formerly Horror/Thriller)
    Humor and satire (formerly Comedy)
    Science fiction
    School based
    Slice-of-Life (formerly Life-Based)
    Superhero (new)
    Multi-genre and cross-genre - these combine elements from other distinctive franchises. An example is MLP: Fallout (new)
Romance, Nation RP are missing.


Pft. Here's my suggestion:
Action/Adventure (think Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Road Warrior, The Fast and the Furious)
Crime
Fantasy
Historical/Period Adventure (Pre-WWII?)
Horror/Thriller
Humor and satire
Military/War/Espionage
Nation
Science fiction
School based
Slice-of-Life
Superhero (ala Marvel/DC)
Turn-Based/Mechanics
Multi/Cross-Genre (PonyHammer; MLP: Fallout)
Misc

Categories are for the contest only. It allows RP to compete fairly. If every player nominates the same RP in different categories, the votes are too widely scattered. An RP that might win one category actually wins none because it doesn't have enough votes in a specific category.

Quibbling point: Fantasy. "Does that include High Fantasy?"
Some believe Fantasy should only be magic, wizards, elves etc. Some group World of Darkness, WH40K and WFRP, Polandball, Hellsing, Pokemon, Superheros, etc under the genre. I honestly don't know how to best break down this category other than to give Superheros their own unique group.

Some suggestions that have been made during varied discussions: WH40K can easily fit into Scifi. Pollandball goes to Misc. Pokemon is Adventure. So too is World of Darkness and Hellsing, according to some fans, while others insist it's Horror (?!) because it involves vampires, werewolves and other supernatural creatures. Warhammer Fantasy and Tolkien-esque things belong in Fantasy. I dunno. It's a good topic for discussion here.

Turn-Based/Mechanic. My reasoning behind a unique category:
Though they could be grouped in other genres, these RP are unique in their design. Take a look at any of G-Tech's TB/M RP, or SaintB's War Journals for examples. I'd like the community at large to become more aware of Turn-Based/Mechanic RP. I'd like to see this RP style grow by allowing it to stand on its own, and to compete solely with others of its kind. However, the Master of TB/M, G-Tech, should have the final say in it.

None of this is set in stone, and all of it is open to discussion. We need everyone's input on this stuff. :lol:
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:22 pm

Cerillium wrote:...
We do need to know who is still available to judge.

Apologies for not dropping in and mentioning it sooner, but I'll have to withdraw my name. Don't have the time I'd want to put into judging.
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:27 pm

I'm probably available and already have an account on gog.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:31 pm

Swith Witherward wrote:
Alleniana wrote:
Ah, ok. Yeah, the thing is that it doesn't represent what we do on NS so much, because different demographic and stuff.
Though, merging military and adventure... that's an idea, hm.

I volunteered as backup but wasn't added, but I don't really mind if I'm put in or not; if there's an active shortage though, I'll volunteer.

Yep, which is why it was based on it but the wiki list isn't used. :p

Cer's suggested change:
Some RP Genre Suggestions
    Contemporary action/adventure (new)
    Crime (Same, absorbs Mystery)
    Espionage/military (formerly War)
    Fantasy
    Historical/period adventure (new)
    Horror (formerly Horror/Thriller)
    Humor and satire (formerly Comedy)
    Science fiction
    School based
    Slice-of-Life (formerly Life-Based)
    Superhero (new)
    Multi-genre and cross-genre - these combine elements from other distinctive franchises. An example is MLP: Fallout (new)
Romance, Nation RP are missing.


Pft. Here's my suggestion:
Action/Adventure (think Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Road Warrior, The Fast and the Furious)
Crime
Fantasy
Historical/Period Adventure (Pre-WWII?)
Horror/Thriller
Humor and satire
Military/War/Espionage
Nation
Science fiction
School based
Slice-of-Life
Superhero (ala Marvel/DC)
Turn-Based/Mechanics
Multi/Cross-Genre (PonyHammer; MLP: Fallout)
Misc

Categories are for the contest only. It allows RP to compete fairly. If every player nominates the same RP in different categories, the votes are too widely scattered. An RP that might win one category actually wins none because it doesn't have enough votes in a specific category.

Quibbling point: Fantasy. "Does that include High Fantasy?"
Some believe Fantasy should only be magic, wizards, elves etc. Some group World of Darkness, WH40K and WFRP, Polandball, Hellsing, Pokemon, Superheros, etc under the genre. I honestly don't know how to best break down this category other than to give Superheros their own unique group.

Some suggestions that have been made during varied discussions: WH40K can easily fit into Scifi. Pollandball goes to Misc. Pokemon is Adventure. So too is World of Darkness and Hellsing, according to some fans, while others insist it's Horror (?!) because it involves vampires, werewolves and other supernatural creatures. Warhammer Fantasy and Tolkien-esque things belong in Fantasy. I dunno. It's a good topic for discussion here.

Turn-Based/Mechanic. My reasoning behind a unique category:
Though they could be grouped in other genres, these RP are unique in their design. Take a look at any of G-Tech's TB/M RP, or SaintB's War Journals for examples. I'd like the community at large to become more aware of Turn-Based/Mechanic RP. I'd like to see this RP style grow by allowing it to stand on its own, and to compete solely with others of its kind. However, the Master of TB/M, G-Tech, should have the final say in it.

None of this is set in stone, and all of it is open to discussion. We need everyone's input on this stuff. :lol:


I appreciate the sentiment Swith. Truth be told though, it just isn't that big of a community. I can only count of a dozen or so RPers who are interested in RPGs most of the time, and even those can be a bit spotty. To my knowledge, there are only three or four folks that make RPs in the subject area, as they take a lot of time on the part of the OP. Probably not large enough to warrant our own category, in other words.
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Postby Alleniana » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:19 pm

Swith Witherward wrote:
Alleniana wrote:
Ah, ok. Yeah, the thing is that it doesn't represent what we do on NS so much, because different demographic and stuff.
Though, merging military and adventure... that's an idea, hm.

I volunteered as backup but wasn't added, but I don't really mind if I'm put in or not; if there's an active shortage though, I'll volunteer.

Yep, which is why it was based on it but the wiki list isn't used. :p

Cer's suggested change:
Some RP Genre Suggestions
    Contemporary action/adventure (new)
    Crime (Same, absorbs Mystery)
    Espionage/military (formerly War)
    Fantasy
    Historical/period adventure (new)
    Horror (formerly Horror/Thriller)
    Humor and satire (formerly Comedy)
    Science fiction
    School based
    Slice-of-Life (formerly Life-Based)
    Superhero (new)
    Multi-genre and cross-genre - these combine elements from other distinctive franchises. An example is MLP: Fallout (new)
Romance, Nation RP are missing.


Pft. Here's my suggestion:
Action/Adventure (think Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Road Warrior, The Fast and the Furious)
Crime
Fantasy
Historical/Period Adventure (Pre-WWII?)
Horror/Thriller
Humor and satire
Military/War/Espionage
Nation
Science fiction
School based
Slice-of-Life
Superhero (ala Marvel/DC)
Turn-Based/Mechanics
Multi/Cross-Genre (PonyHammer; MLP: Fallout)
Misc

Categories are for the contest only. It allows RP to compete fairly. If every player nominates the same RP in different categories, the votes are too widely scattered. An RP that might win one category actually wins none because it doesn't have enough votes in a specific category.

Quibbling point: Fantasy. "Does that include High Fantasy?"
Some believe Fantasy should only be magic, wizards, elves etc. Some group World of Darkness, WH40K and WFRP, Polandball, Hellsing, Pokemon, Superheros, etc under the genre. I honestly don't know how to best break down this category other than to give Superheros their own unique group.

Some suggestions that have been made during varied discussions: WH40K can easily fit into Scifi. Pollandball goes to Misc. Pokemon is Adventure. So too is World of Darkness and Hellsing, according to some fans, while others insist it's Horror (?!) because it involves vampires, werewolves and other supernatural creatures. Warhammer Fantasy and Tolkien-esque things belong in Fantasy. I dunno. It's a good topic for discussion here.

Turn-Based/Mechanic. My reasoning behind a unique category:
Though they could be grouped in other genres, these RP are unique in their design. Take a look at any of G-Tech's TB/M RP, or SaintB's War Journals for examples. I'd like the community at large to become more aware of Turn-Based/Mechanic RP. I'd like to see this RP style grow by allowing it to stand on its own, and to compete solely with others of its kind. However, the Master of TB/M, G-Tech, should have the final say in it.

None of this is set in stone, and all of it is open to discussion. We need everyone's input on this stuff. :lol:

I'm concerned about history-nation split; a large portion, if not the majority of one or both, will be crossover. If we do want to have a historical one, perhaps like the present-day/fantasy/future nation vs historical nation, or fantasy/future vs present-day/historical? In any case, I don't believe there are really any decent number of "period adventures" at all, so frankly, that would really not be that useful.

Also, military vs adventure, is the difference so great? I don't have that much of an idea, but is it possible they're similar enough to merge?

Fantasy could be a sort of negative-genre; those which don't fit in other fantastic yay literal archaic usage categories like superhero and sci-fi could go there. Thus, WH40K goes in sci-fi for example, because that's the more specific one which it also fits well into.

And, for stuff like Pokemon; sorting according to defining feature? I don't believe the otherworldliness of the Pokemon is what people do it for, but the plot and progression; thus, it would go in adventure rather than sci-fi/fantasy?

Polandball is fairly centrally humour/satire, I think

Crime vs adventure vs horror/thriller... I had associated crime with mystery sort of stuff, I think, but while horror/thriller also has links... could you explain what the core group of each of the genres would be? Also, do we have enough horror/thriller RPs?

I agree with G-Tech, it doesn't seem like there's enough mechanic RPs, and those that exist will often slot into one of the others anyway.

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Postby Swith Witherward » Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:07 pm

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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:11 pm

Yay, best fantasy RP!

Were ties discussed?
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:34 pm

That amount of ties though, many amuse.
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Postby Swith Witherward » Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:47 pm

Most ties occurred because of popular vote. :p Four peeps with one vote each all tie for first place.
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Postby The Templar High Council » Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:12 pm

Swith Witherward wrote:The winners!

TBH, I feel very bad about not being able to make time to vote or judge. But I am gonna say thanks for voting for me, because I still think of myself as just another RPer here, and I've been singled out as more than that twice in a row now.
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Postby The Silhouette of Adventure » Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:55 am

:D I don't think there was actually anyone else nominated for "most improved," but nevertheless I feel like I have achieved a great accomplishment :P
EDIT: I was wrong! :D
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