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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:24 am

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The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:People take offense to all kinds of works of fiction, so I should be allowed to fully agree on banning a game on a popular streaming website in which one of the easiest and best ways to obtain your goal is to shove cameras under skirts and bully people until they off themselves.


But not games where one of the easiest ways to obtain your goals is to brutally and graphically murder people? Or where the ability to do that is a major draw for people to play the game?

Lot less worse than bullying people into committing suicide to make your "senpai" fall in love with you, a disgusting and cringe-worthy concept by itself. The Twitch Staff deemed it inappropriate for display on their website, just like 'games' the like of Rapelay, and forbid it. Their site, their rules, and I can fully see where they're coming from and I agree with that.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:28 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:
But not games where one of the easiest ways to obtain your goals is to brutally and graphically murder people? Or where the ability to do that is a major draw for people to play the game?

Lot less worse than bullying people into committing suicide to make your "senpai" fall in love with you, a disgusting and cringe-worthy concept by itself. The Twitch Staff deemed it inappropriate for display on their website, just like 'games' the like of Rapelay, and forbid it. Their site, their rules, and I can fully see where they're coming from and I agree with that.


Bullying fictional characters is bad, but tearing their teeth out or pouring gasoline on them is acceptable. Riiiiiiiiight.

Twitch can decide whatever they like, no one disputes that. But people can point out they're being hypocrites. That's how freedom works, friend.

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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:31 am

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The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:Lot less worse than bullying people into committing suicide to make your "senpai" fall in love with you, a disgusting and cringe-worthy concept by itself. The Twitch Staff deemed it inappropriate for display on their website, just like 'games' the like of Rapelay, and forbid it. Their site, their rules, and I can fully see where they're coming from and I agree with that.


Bullying fictional characters is bad, but tearing their teeth out or pouring gasoline on them is acceptable. Riiiiiiiiight.

Twitch can decide whatever they like, no one disputes that. But people can point out they're being hypocrites. That's how freedom works, friend.

moshi moshy yanderu simulatero does all of that "for love" :)

I, for one, cannot see how anyone that's sane can find enjoyment in bullying fictional characters to death - killing them in vidya is usually a challenge, which makes it fun. Taking a picture of someone's crotch and harassing until they kill themselves isn't.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:45 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Bullying fictional characters is bad, but tearing their teeth out or pouring gasoline on them is acceptable. Riiiiiiiiight.

Twitch can decide whatever they like, no one disputes that. But people can point out they're being hypocrites. That's how freedom works, friend.

moshi moshy yanderu simulatero does all of that "for love" :)

I, for one, cannot see how anyone that's sane can find enjoyment in bullying fictional characters to death - killing them in vidya is usually a challenge, which makes it fun. Taking a picture of someone's crotch and harassing until they kill themselves isn't.


No one denies the main character is an awful human being who murders and bullies her innocent classmates all for a crush she has on a boy. It's quite clear she's a sociopath (that's the whole premise of the game). Hell, the game developer himself reminded people she's not supposed to be a hero, she's a monster, in the same update about bullying being added.

Except the whole point of the game is stealth, getting caught doing those things will get you expelled or imprisoned.

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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:48 am

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The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:moshi moshy yanderu simulatero does all of that "for love" :)

I, for one, cannot see how anyone that's sane can find enjoyment in bullying fictional characters to death - killing them in vidya is usually a challenge, which makes it fun. Taking a picture of someone's crotch and harassing until they kill themselves isn't.


No one denies the main character is an awful human being who murders and bullies her innocent classmates all for a crush she has on a boy. It's quite clear she's a sociopath (that's the whole premise of the game). Hell, the game developer himself reminded people she's not supposed to be a hero, she's a monster, in the same update about bullying being added.

Except the whole point of the game is stealth, getting caught doing those things will get you expelled or imprisoned.

Shall we try and defend other shitty games such as Hatred next?
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:15 pm

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
No one denies the main character is an awful human being who murders and bullies her innocent classmates all for a crush she has on a boy. It's quite clear she's a sociopath (that's the whole premise of the game). Hell, the game developer himself reminded people she's not supposed to be a hero, she's a monster, in the same update about bullying being added.

Except the whole point of the game is stealth, getting caught doing those things will get you expelled or imprisoned.

Shall we try and defend other shitty games such as Hatred next?


No, not really. Considering they're not comparable. One is an anime game parodying the cliches and tropes of the genre. The other, from what I can tell, is a video game that is graphic for the sake of being graphic, and was an appalling attempt at social commentary.

All your criticism of Yandere Simulator can just as easily be turned to games such as GTA V. Apparently, the fact that the main character in the former is not supposed to be a hero doesn't matter, so why should it matter with the latter?

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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:37 pm

GTA is about crime, yanderu is about making someone fall in love with you or some shit.

I won't continue this little argument, as there is no way this'll end well.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:05 pm

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:GTA is about crime, yanderu is about making someone fall in love with you or some shit.

I won't continue this little argument, as there is no way this'll end well.


No, Yandere Simulator is about the archetypal yandere character stalking her love interest and ruining her rivals, while trying to keep hidden from him.

You really shouldn't comment about games you know nothing about, at least if you're supporting banning them. :/

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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:19 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:GTA is about crime, yanderu is about making someone fall in love with you or some shit.

I won't continue this little argument, as there is no way this'll end well.


No, Yandere Simulator is about the archetypal yandere character stalking her love interest and ruining her rivals, while trying to keep hidden from him.

You really shouldn't comment about games you know nothing about, at least if you're supporting banning them. :/

Well, apparently a yandere does just that.

A rapist rapes, doesn't mean I should be okay with a game about it.
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Postby Ayreonia » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:34 pm

As good as GTA V is, that torture scene is both unnecessary and uncomfortable.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:54 pm

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
No, Yandere Simulator is about the archetypal yandere character stalking her love interest and ruining her rivals, while trying to keep hidden from him.

You really shouldn't comment about games you know nothing about, at least if you're supporting banning them. :/

Well, apparently a yandere does just that.

A rapist rapes, doesn't mean I should be okay with a game about it.


And yet GTA V is exempt? Despite the fact it features murder and torture (much more realistically than an anime game)?

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Postby Cybraxia » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:01 pm

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:02 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:Well, apparently a yandere does just that.

A rapist rapes, doesn't mean I should be okay with a game about it.


And yet GTA V is exempt? Despite the fact it features murder and torture (much more realistically than an anime game)?


Eh, hour for hour, GTA has ~10 minutes of excessive stuff to ~6000 hours of content.

Cybraxia wrote:TFW the op of a RP you were really interested in hasn't returned any everyone is waiting on them.


You mean all five of you?
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Postby Cybraxia » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:04 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
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And yet GTA V is exempt? Despite the fact it features murder and torture (much more realistically than an anime game)?


Eh, hour for hour, GTA has ~10 minutes of excessive stuff to ~6000 hours of content.

Cybraxia wrote:TFW the op of a RP you were really interested in hasn't returned any everyone is waiting on them.


You mean all five of you?


We're still waiting, and we haven't even made it past the first mission.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:06 pm

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Eh, hour for hour, GTA has ~10 minutes of excessive stuff to ~6000 hours of content.



You mean all five of you?


We're still waiting, and we haven't even made it past the first mission.


*shrug*

With two posters active per squad, infrequently, it isn't exactly viable to continue. First mission or otherwise.

Plus I really don't have the time- it ended up taking far more consistent writing because there were 16 RPers that all wanted to do something.
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Postby Cybraxia » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:07 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
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We're still waiting, and we haven't even made it past the first mission.


*shrug*

With two posters active per squad, infrequently, it isn't exactly viable to continue. First mission or otherwise.

Plus I really don't have the time- it ended up taking far more consistent writing because there were 16 RPers that all wanted to do something.


Literally all of First team has posted, and I'm pretty sure second team has too.

I'm disappointed.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:09 pm

Cybraxia wrote:
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*shrug*

With two posters active per squad, infrequently, it isn't exactly viable to continue. First mission or otherwise.

Plus I really don't have the time- it ended up taking far more consistent writing because there were 16 RPers that all wanted to do something.


Literally all of First team has posted, and I'm pretty sure second team has too.

I'm disappointed.


Over the course of six days, sure. Like I said, not viable. Feel free to roll on if you want.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:56 pm

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
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Neither is Yandere Simulator. Pantie shots are just a common anime trope.

So, fetish fuel? It's literally what a "yandere" type character seems to be made for, this game especially.

I'm not even attracted to girls, and I think it's a fun game. I'm pretty sure that debunks your whole "fetish" argument on its own.

Also, the creator himself has stated numerous times that it's a horror game in which the protagonist is a horrible monster -- it just uses a cutesy anime style and contains a bunch of anime tropes.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:24 pm

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
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Yet it didn't ban Outlast.

Because anime violence is worse than realistic depictions of gore and genital mutilation.

Outlast is horror and doesn't depict it as a fun activity, or "cute"


It honestly feels like this is a case of complaining about shows you don't watch, because Yandere Simulator doesn't go to any lengths to say those things are "cute", or "a fun activity". In fact, its quite obvious that the things the player character does are explicitly wrong, and I'd dare say that the depiction just goes to show how wrong those actions are.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:31 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:
The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:So, fetish fuel? It's literally what a "yandere" type character seems to be made for, this game especially.

I'm not even attracted to girls, and I think it's a fun game. I'm pretty sure that debunks your whole "fetish" argument on its own.

Also, the creator himself has stated numerous times that it's a horror game in which the protagonist is a horrible monster -- it just uses a cutesy anime style and contains a bunch of anime tropes.


Indeed. In fact, I'd argue that the 'cutesy' style only serves to amplify the horror aspects, via dissonance.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:01 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:I'm not even attracted to girls, and I think it's a fun game. I'm pretty sure that debunks your whole "fetish" argument on its own.

Also, the creator himself has stated numerous times that it's a horror game in which the protagonist is a horrible monster -- it just uses a cutesy anime style and contains a bunch of anime tropes.


Indeed. In fact, I'd argue that the 'cutesy' style only serves to amplify the horror aspects, via dissonance.

Oh, definitely. Contrast is used in fiction all the time to emphasise certain things, and this is no exception. Additionally, I would say that one of the underlying themes of the game is that horrible people and things often appear innocent on the surface. This is developed not only through Yandere-chan, but through Kokona: she is abused by her father, and engages in compensated dating, although no one seems to suspect either of these facts.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:56 pm

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Indeed. In fact, I'd argue that the 'cutesy' style only serves to amplify the horror aspects, via dissonance.

Oh, definitely. Contrast is used in fiction all the time to emphasise certain things, and this is no exception. Additionally, I would say that one of the underlying themes of the game is that horrible people and things often appear innocent on the surface. This is developed not only through Yandere-chan, but through Kokona: she is abused by her father, and engages in compensated dating, although no one seems to suspect either of these facts.


I always feel rather evil for killing her, which I think is an excellent thing (and why I'm opposed to making Kokona "less likable" in the final version of the game). It is rather refreshing to play an evil character without the bullshit of "asshole victim."

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