Of Gods and Heretics:The Broken Barrier (OOC/Dead)

[Exelia]

Ah, no, I misread what was happening.

Nevertheless, now that my criticism there is debunked, what role to specialists actually have, and why was my follower increased capped while his was not?

Now as for why it was capped and the other was not I am unsure, since two different people made that decision. Why I capped your increase was because I was picturing you were aiming to recruit the best of the best thus the best of the best would be in limited numbers and would be picky about their choices in employers. A five in that case was it sounded good to some but not enough for others. If I thought that you were just willing to recruit any random person who happens to call themselves a merc I wouldn't have capped it.

While for the soldiers thing under the one Faal did I am, again, unsure but if I had to justify it is that he was just recruiting random grunts, cannon fodder basically not a professional soldier which is symbolized by the officers recruitment being separate from the main. So they are not specialists by virtue of not having any power and just being random people who have a gun, so similar if one recruited the State of Texas. Again that is my guess but I think it makes sense. I honestly had no power in that and I assumed that is the method Faal used.

Then how are militiamen, who have less training than these soldiers, considered "specialists"? And, were any of my rolls affected by these specialists?

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Rolls i shall need:

Follower rolls:

Black Temple event, describing Dragons, their history, and other such things, working on converting people. it will be telecast and tickets will be sold.

Norweigan Prime Minister Conversion Process

Amalia's Cash gain

Black Temple Restoration

Dragon Hatching Process

Blowing up ships in the UK.

And how exactly are you supposed to blow s##t up while your god is almost powerless?
Especcially a modern military vessel?
This really is something that doesn`t belong into the very first pages.

[Lemunaria]

What the f### was that link just doing in here?
I took the time to look what this guy posted before he andeverything he had done was deleted and all of his posts were some kind of shady links like that one.
I hope no one clicked it.
Could as well containa virus.

I just ignored it

[Exelia]

Rolls i shall need:

Follower rolls:

Black Temple event, describing Dragons, their history, and other such things, working on converting people. it will be telecast and tickets will be sold.

Norweigan Prime Minister Conversion Process

Amalia's Cash gain

Black Temple Restoration

Dragon Hatching Process

Blowing up ships in the UK.

And how exactly are you supposed to blow s##t up while your god is almost powerless?
Especcially a modern military vessel?
This really is something that doesn`t belong into the very first pages.

I mean, we have a deadly plague spreading. I don't understand how that makes any sense given our relative power either.

[Exelia]

What the f### was that link just doing in here?
I took the time to look what this guy posted before he andeverything he had done was deleted and all of his posts were some kind of shady links like that one.
I hope no one clicked it.
Could as well containa virus.

It linked to a gore site. I didn't click it but that's what others are reporting.

[The Flame Dawn]

Rolls i shall need:

Follower rolls:

Black Temple event, describing Dragons, their history, and other such things, working on converting people. it will be telecast and tickets will be sold.

Norweigan Prime Minister Conversion Process

Amalia's Cash gain

Black Temple Restoration

Dragon Hatching Process

Blowing up ships in the UK.

And how exactly are you supposed to blow s##t up while your god is almost powerless?
Especcially a modern military vessel?
This really is something that doesn`t belong into the very first pages.

I questioned the last one as well but meh watching a regular person try to blow up a ships sounds pretty funny, and a lot like a hit action film.

[Jorliefstreiken]

Rolls i shall need:

Follower rolls:

Black Temple event, describing Dragons, their history, and other such things, working on converting people. it will be telecast and tickets will be sold.

Norweigan Prime Minister Conversion Process

Amalia's Cash gain

Black Temple Restoration

Dragon Hatching Process

Blowing up ships in the UK.

And how exactly are you supposed to blow s##t up while your god is almost powerless?
Especcially a modern military vessel?
This really is something that doesn`t belong into the very first pages.

there are these two things, called followers, and bombs. perhaps you have heard of them.

[The Flame Dawn]

@Exelia

The plague started in the UK and only spread to two countries due to a high roll.

[Exelia]

@Exelia

The plague started in the UK and only spread to two countries due to a high roll.

Then, by this logic, given it's unpredictability, he would have every ability to blow up those ships if he gets a high roll.

Why do we even have a roll system?

[The Flame Dawn]

@Exelia

The plague started in the UK and only spread to two countries due to a high roll.

Then, by this logic, given it's unpredictability, he would have every ability to blow up those ships if he gets a high roll.

Why do we even have a roll system?

So that some kid doesn't say...

I had the entire people of the world convert to my religion.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

What the f### was that link just doing in here?
I took the time to look what this guy posted before he andeverything he had done was deleted and all of his posts were some kind of shady links like that one.
I hope no one clicked it.
Could as well containa virus.

I just ignored it

always ignore shady links from people who just randomly pop in and post nothing but that

there are these two things, called followers, and bombs. perhaps you have heard of them.

Good luck bringing a random follower with a bomb into the sea and onboard of one of the many navies`s ships.
I`m curious from where this follower is coming. From the UK or from Sweden. If he comes from Sweden I wonder how he got so far out into the waters. If he came from the UK I wonder why his boat hasn`t been sunk.

I mean, we have a deadly plague spreading. I don't understand how that makes any sense given our relative power either.

I the plague was made by really, really bad dice rolls.
What the heck were you expecting.
I mean take a bad dice roll for me and then s##t happens like "One of the infected managed to get his hands onto a nuke and fires it at you"

[Remnants of Exilvania]

@Exelia

The plague started in the UK and only spread to two countries due to a high roll.

2 Countries?
What are those?
I guess Ireland and maybe Denmark?

[Exelia]

Then, by this logic, given it's unpredictability, he would have every ability to blow up those ships if he gets a high roll.

Why do we even have a roll system?

So that some kid doesn't say...

I had the entire people of the world convert to my religion.

Convert the entire world to my religion.

*Rolls a 10*

What does that accomplish? A sensible OP is supposed to prevent that, not some cockamamie roll system with no guidelines.

[The Flame Dawn]

@Exelia

The plague started in the UK and only spread to two countries due to a high roll.

2 Countries?
What are those?
I guess Ireland and maybe Denmark?

I believe it went nordic instead.

[Exelia]

I the plague was made by really, really bad dice rolls.
What the heck were you expecting.
I mean take a bad dice roll for me and then s##t happens like "One of the infected managed to get his hands onto a nuke and fires it at you"

None of it makes sense.

There was one time the same player rolled a 1 on studying the plague. He lost 3 followers, and that was it. If a 1 can cause the net Spanish flu, then there maybe should have been more dire consequences.

[The Flame Dawn]

So that some kid doesn't say...

I had the entire people of the world convert to my religion.

Convert the entire world to my religion.

*Rolls a 10*

What does that accomplish? A sensible is OP is supposed to prevent that, not some cockamamie roll system with no guidelines.

Aye, but an OP or Co-Op wouldn't do something as nitwit as roll for that.

There's obviously flaws because this wasn't designed as a mechanics RP. We added them in as a fun tidbit. It's like playing a boardgame, you could shout out how many spaces you went but a dice adds to the chaos that makes it fun.

[Lemunaria]

So that some kid doesn't say...

I had the entire people of the world convert to my religion.

Convert the entire world to my religion.

*Rolls a 10*

What does that accomplish? A sensible is OP is supposed to prevent that, not some cockamamie roll system with no guidelines.

Its more so just basic common sense.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

2 Countries?
What are those?
I guess Ireland and maybe Denmark?

I believe it went nordic instead.

So Ireland and Sweden I guess?

I the plague was made by really, really bad dice rolls.
What the heck were you expecting.
I mean take a bad dice roll for me and then s##t happens like "One of the infected managed to get his hands onto a nuke and fires it at you"

None of it makes sense.

There was one time the same player rolled a 1 on studying the plague. He lost 3 followers, and that was it. If a 1 can cause the net Spanish flu, then there maybe should have been more dire consequences.

I think he actually rolled a 4 or a 5...

[Exelia]

Convert the entire world to my religion.

*Rolls a 10*

What does that accomplish? A sensible is OP is supposed to prevent that, not some cockamamie roll system with no guidelines.

Aye, but an OP or Co-Op wouldn't do something as nitwit as roll for that.

There's obviously flaws because this wasn't designed as a mechanics RP. We added them in as a fun tidbit. It's like playing a boardgame, you could shout out how many spaces you went but a dice adds to the chaos that makes it fun.

The dice is making it anything but fun. It is a poor attempt at putting railroads on the plot, but without actually putting nails on rail boards.

Why does a 1, in one instance, cause violent civil war and anarchy claiming the live of tens of thousands, cause the next Spanish flu, and then, the next time, it causes 3 people to die in a minor accident?

There is no logical consistency to the consequences. A board game has clear guidelines on what the results of dice rolls means. This doesn't.

[The Flame Dawn]

I believe it went nordic instead.

So Ireland and Sweden I guess?

None of it makes sense.

There was one time the same player rolled a 1 on studying the plague. He lost 3 followers, and that was it. If a 1 can cause the net Spanish flu, then there maybe should have been more dire consequences.

I think he actually rolled a 4 or a 5...

I know it's hit sweden but I'm not sure about ireland T-T

Maybe it was denmark? I forgot/

[Exelia]

I think he actually rolled a 4 or a 5...

Nope.

Here you go.... 9-1-8-6

9 - You and you followers arrive safely in the new country that you have fled to (let's say Sweden)

1 - The remaining 66 followers have not discovered anything new about the plague. It was a complete waste of time. In fact a few actual have contracted it. ( - 3 Followers)

8 - the place is very nice.

6 - Your followers have improved fairly well. No accidents.

[Exelia]

Convert the entire world to my religion.

*Rolls a 10*

What does that accomplish? A sensible is OP is supposed to prevent that, not some cockamamie roll system with no guidelines.

Its more so just basic common sense.

Common sense implies there is something common about it.

[The Flame Dawn]

@Exelia

I noticed you've mainly been looking at Faal's rolls.

I don't mean to beat on the guy but maybe he isn't cut for it.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

No, but the plague is spreading across all the continents and killing thousands while destabilizing whole countries. When you can achieve those kinds of results, why do you need specialists?

The answer is that it isn't and whoever said it WAS spreading across the continents is wrong.

It is swearing adherence to an outside deity that runs contrary both to their oaths to the military and the native Islamic traditions.[/quotes]

Religion was mostly abolished besides a few hold outs so violating Islamic traditions is not relevant. This is supposed to be set in sometime in the future after all. As for their military oaths unless it explicitly says "I will swear allegiance to no God" they are not violating it.

The Prime Minister joining is huge, and wildly unbalanced. Could the President of the US be converted on a ten? How about the Russian president? Or the Japanese Emperor? None of these questions have clear answers. By this logic I could keep rolling again and again while trying to convert Obama until a get a 10 - in which case, now the entire US military is under my control.

The Prime Minister was gained by lucky circumstances. He was visiting a dojo and met Taniko, talked for a bit, (not a follower and that was a 9) and he converted later (during a state sponsered program run by Taniko that the Prime Minister watched thanks to a 10 which was a follow up of a 10 which combined with the 9). Under normal circumstances no you will not convert the president of ANY country unless you A. have access to the person through your followers or B. you take over the country and make them bow down to you pretty much.

That is fine when you are dealing with clearly numerical quantities. But this makes less sense when we are talking about converting people. Say Flame didn't get a ten, and instead rolled a 9 - would the Chief still be converted? A person either covnerts or doesn't - what is the difference between a 6 or 7 on their conversion?

No Flame wouldn't have if Flame got a 9. And the answer is the difference is only if a 7 is the bare minimum needed for success. And a 6 isn't then a 6 would fail while a 7 would squeak by. Yes it can be arbitrary but the world is complex enough that a case by case basis is somewhat more appropriate. Especially since virtually each God is a wildly different individual and each circumstance is different too.

And this is the major problem that, more orless, renders the entire dice system useless. This incentivizes players to make long, convulsed numbers of dice rolls until they get a "saving throw". There was no point to the 2 because Amalia got an 8. Might as well have just rolled an 8. You just spam as many rolls as you can, since there is no cap to them, until you get the rolls you want.

Incorrect. The Saving Throw was made because another roll needs to be made. The saving throw was a poor choice of words. The roll was to determine what would happen after the failure of the previous one. I could have left it off with "2: adamant refusal security is called" But what then? Another roll was needed to be made because then just about anything could have happened so it needed to be determined. So a followup roll was made and it was an 8 which meant you managed to recover. that is all that I meant by the words saving throw.

What determines how much it takes to covert one person or a different person? For the admiral you wildly threw in a different person that wasn't even expected to be on the roll. Could I accidentally convert the US President when I am trying to convince a Senator?

I don't think it is a wildly different person because the Chief of the Navy in every country where the President isn't the only one in charge of the military is supposed to be of Admiral, or at least Vice-Admiral, rank. The kind of Admiral recruited was never specified and not every sailor is an Admiral. And no you most likely wouldn't because the President doesn't spend every day visiting Senators and you would pretty much need to meet with the president himself to recruit him.

[The Flame Dawn]

Its more so just basic common sense.

Common sense implies there is something common about it.

aye, and the common bit is that it isn't 100% nonsense.

There's bits of it which make 0 sense but at least there's some truth to it.