Of Gods and Heretics:The Broken Barrier (OOC/Dead)

[Remnants of Exilvania]

I found this. I think it's a training video to raise a hardened Nazi, but I think we can still use it XD

I have no idea what you`re talking about.
You`re lucky that I already knew the content cause it said that the linked video is forbidden in my country.
Not entirely sure if I should use US Disney propaganda to influence the people.

[The Flame Dawn]

I found this. I think it's a training video to raise a hardened Nazi, but I think we can still use it XD

I have no idea what you`re talking about.
You`re lucky that I already knew the content cause it said that the linked video is forbidden in my country.
Not entirely sure if I should use US Disney propaganda to influence the people.

Are you from Germany then?

Because I sent a link to Education for Death: The Making of the Nazi (1943) - WW2 Animated Propaganda Film by Walt Disney

[Remnants of Exilvania]

I have no idea what you`re talking about.
You`re lucky that I already knew the content cause it said that the linked video is forbidden in my country.
Not entirely sure if I should use US Disney propaganda to influence the people.

Are you from Germany then?

Because I sent a link to Education for Death: The Making of the Nazi (1943) - WW2 Animated Propaganda Film by Walt Disney

Yes, yes, yes ,yes and yes again!
I wonder how many people on NS already know from where I am...

And I can still read english. It`s just not showing the video cause it`s forbidden. And I saw the video like 2 years ago and can still remember the content so I really don`t need to watch it again.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

How Follower increase is carried out

• Until a certain threshold is reached (to be decided on later) every number on the dice represents a variable of 10%
• Any number that winds up as a decimal will be rounded to the nearest whole number
• In a play that requires multiple dice rolls a 10 on the dice gives you a percentage bonus of 10% (unless it is the final roll in said series, then no increase)
• In a play that requires multiple dice rolls a 1 represents a reduction of 5% (unless it is the final roll in said series, then no reduction)
• Under Rules 3 and 4 the percent of follower increase cannot exceed 100% (excluding something like a special bonus which does not figure into it) nor can it be lower than 5% (penalty beyond this can still be applied and does not figure into it). So no 110% or 0% or anything like that.
• If you receive a 10 on the dice you will get an added bonus to whatever it is your doing, be it money, a few more followers, being able to do the event again or something similar without needing to do rolls for it again, etc. If you receive a 1 however you receive the opposite because something terrible has happened.
• All rolls are to be handled by myself and Coops

I don't see any of that applying to followers, and I think it's being changed from God to God.

For instance, when I rolled a 5, with 60 followers(it has yet to be increased by the previous followers I gained in this action) I received 12 followers.

Meanwhile, in other rolls, despite not getting a ten, rolls like this happened.

Here it is.... nice...

9-8-6

9 - With both of them combined, you manage to convert a total of 135 followers
8 - the nameless soldier does very well at converting low ranks (128 low ranked soldiers to be precise)
6 - Farrah does fairly well at converting officers (since officers I would think would be like artists and such, out of the 135, you manage to convert 7 officers)

Which resulted in a way more than a 100% increase in followers. I don't the rules are being followed.

Incorrect on the second case. Rules were followed perfectly since it was a roll for Gadreel Akasha Van-El who had 150 followers at the time. with a 9 received there it was a 90% increase with it 135 being 90%. Therefore your math is wrong.(to double check do 285-135 times 0.9)

[Jorliefstreiken]

Rolls i shall need:

Follower rolls:

Black Temple event, describing Dragons, their history, and other such things, working on converting people. it will be telecast and tickets will be sold.

Norweigan Prime Minister Conversion Process

Amalia's Cash gain

Black Temple Restoration

Dragon Hatching Process

Blowing up ships in the UK.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

Rolls i shall need:

Follower rolls:

Black Temple event, describing Dragons, their history, and other such things, working on converting people. it will be telecast and tickets will be sold.

Norweigan Prime Minister Conversion Process

Amalia's Cash gain

Black Temple Restoration

Dragon Hatching Process

Blowing up ships in the UK.

One bloody minute! I have a lot I need to do today and answering all of this is not helping.

[Exelia]

I don't see any of that applying to followers, and I think it's being changed from God to God.

For instance, when I rolled a 5, with 60 followers(it has yet to be increased by the previous followers I gained in this action) I received 12 followers.

Meanwhile, in other rolls, despite not getting a ten, rolls like this happened.



Which resulted in a way more than a 100% increase in followers. I don't the rules are being followed.

Incorrect on the second case. Rules were followed perfectly since it was a roll for Gadreel Akasha Van-El who had 150 followers at the time. with a 9 received there it was a 90% increase with it 135 being 90%. Therefore your math is wrong.(to double check do 285-135 time 0.9)

That's not the point though. He got three rolls that elevated it by over 300 followers. That is nearly triple what he had before the roll. If you can have miltuple follower rolls at one time, what is the point of a percentage cap?

Not to mention, then when I rolled a five, why did I not gain a 50% increase in followers, which would result in 30, not 12, new followers? And clealry it can't be ebcause they are "special" followers with abilities, since he gained military officers and soldiers, while I got mercenaries and militiamen.

[Jorliefstreiken]

One bloody minute! I have a lot I need to do today and answering all of this is not helping.

*throws flame out of her box and hides in it* Yessuh, sowwy suh.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

Now where is this 12 follower gain you are talking about because for the love of God I cannot find it no matter where I look? And I have been looking.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

Alright, I'd like to roll for follower gain. Armand will go on a recruiting mission to hire more mercenaries/militia men from neighboring countries. They don't really promise payment but make promises of all living expense being paid for and...things they can do to the prisoners.

Sorry but you won't gain the max amount of followers you can gain because this is a mission solely for recruiting specialists rather than a general recruitment event. I trust this is okay?

5: You were somewhat successful out of all the mercenaries you approached about half were willing to listen to you though less than that amount converted. Gain 6 Mercenary followers and 4 Militia followers.

Found it.

[Exelia]

Now where is this 12 follower gain you are talking about because for the love of God I cannot find it no matter where I look? And I have been looking.

Alright, I'd like to roll for follower gain. Armand will go on a recruiting mission to hire more mercenaries/militia men from neighboring countries. They don't really promise payment but make promises of all living expense being paid for and...things they can do to the prisoners.

Sorry but you won't gain the max amount of followers you can gain because this is a mission solely for recruiting specialists rather than a general recruitment event. I trust this is okay?

5: You were somewhat successful out of all the mercenaries you approached about half were willing to listen to you though less than that amount converted. Gain 6 Mercenary followers and 4 Militia followers.

You imposed an arbitrary cap when Farrah managed to recruit entire military units, which, I assume, are specialists.

He also had multiple follower rolls. And there doesn't seem to be an answer to how specialists actually affect rolls other than the OP or Co-OP arbitrarily deciding it makes a roll better.

[The Flame Dawn]

One bloody minute! I have a lot I need to do today and answering all of this is not helping.

*throws flame out of her box and hides in it* Yessuh, sowwy suh.

Hey!

*starts to kick box*

That's mine.

[Jorliefstreiken]

*throws flame out of her box and hides in it* Yessuh, sowwy suh.

Hey!

*starts to kick box*

That's mine.

*shoots a tranq dart at flame* Mine now.

[Lemunaria]

Incorrect on the second case. Rules were followed perfectly since it was a roll for Gadreel Akasha Van-El who had 150 followers at the time. with a 9 received there it was a 90% increase with it 135 being 90%. Therefore your math is wrong.(to double check do 285-135 time 0.9)

That's not the point though. He got three rolls that elevated it by over 300 followers. That is nearly triple what he had before the roll. If you can have miltuple follower rolls at one time, what is the point of a percentage cap?

Not to mention, then when I rolled a five, why did I not gain a 50% increase in followers, which would result in 30, not 12, new followers? And clealry it can't be ebcause they are "special" followers with abilities, since he gained military officers and soldiers, while I got mercenaries and militiamen.

Over 300? I only have around 250-280 last time I checked.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

That's not the point though. He got three rolls that elevated it by over 300 followers. That is nearly triple what he had before the roll. If you can have miltuple follower rolls at one time, what is the point of a percentage cap?

Not to mention, then when I rolled a five, why did I not gain a 50% increase in followers, which would result in 30, not 12, new followers? And clealry it can't be ebcause they are "special" followers with abilities, since he gained military officers and soldiers, while I got mercenaries and militiamen.

Over 300? I only have around 250-280 last time I checked.

285.

[The Flame Dawn]

Hey!

*starts to kick box*

That's mine.

*shoots a tranq dart at flame* Mine now.

*cries*

[Exelia]

Over 300? I only have around 250-280 last time I checked.

285.

Ah, no, I misread what was happening.

Nevertheless, now that my criticism there is debunked, what role to specialists actually have, and why was my follower increased capped while his was not?

[Elysian Kentarchy]

285.

Ah, no, I misread what was happening.

Nevertheless, now that my criticism there is debunked, what role to specialists actually have, and why was my follower increased capped while his was not?

Ah right. *deep breath* Sorry I am under a lot of stress at the moment with me having an important paper due to an important paper being due tomorrow and if I fail it I won't be able to come back to college.

Now picture specialists as someone who is your man on the inside most of the time. Say for earlier how Amalia was trying to break into that museum? If there was a security guard working there as your specialist then that person could have simply opened the door and allow her to walk in and steal them. Specialists sometime opens routes that would be closed off of you otherwise. Example you wanted to raid Fort Knox and steal the gold with the normal rabid followers you would not get far but with a pack of mercenary specialists who are organized and strong it can be done, hard but it can be done. That make sense? It is effectively a game changer. This is excluding Flames swordsmen training thing because I thought it would make sense for Flame's religion to have people train to be swordsmen.

I will address your second concern in another post.

[Exelia]

Ah, no, I misread what was happening.

Nevertheless, now that my criticism there is debunked, what role to specialists actually have, and why was my follower increased capped while his was not?

Ah right. *deep breath* Sorry I am under a lot of stress at the moment with me having an important paper due to an important paper being due tomorrow and if I fail it I won't be able to come back to college.

Now picture specialists as someone who is your man on the inside most of the time. Say for earlier how Amalia was trying to break into that museum? If there was a security guard working there as your specialist then that person could have simply opened the door and allow her to walk in and steal them. Specialists sometime opens routes that would be closed off of you otherwise. Example you wanted to raid Fort Knox and steal the gold with the normal rabid followers you would not get far but with a pack of mercenary specialists who are organized and strong it can be done, hard but it can be done. That make sense? It is effectively a game changer. This is excluding Flames swordsmen training thing because I thought it would make sense for Flame's religion to have people train to be swordsmen.

I will address your second concern in another post.

But none of these have clear affects on the rolls. As I said, we have:

1. A massive plague consuming Britain
2. Military units defecting to cults
3. Government officials converting
etc.

without any specialists involved. I haven't seen as single roll where a specialists made a difference. If there is one, then, I would ask you guys be more transparent with you equated a roll number to it's consequence. For instance, this RP I'm in is extremely transparent with the math behind the consequences. You can't really deny the result of an action. Here, though, the rolls seem to completely up to the OP/Co-OP, with wildly different results. What is the difference between a 5 and a 6? Or a 6 and a 7? Only 10s and 1s seem to have clearly defined results.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

Ah right. *deep breath* Sorry I am under a lot of stress at the moment with me having an important paper due to an important paper being due tomorrow and if I fail it I won't be able to come back to college.

Now picture specialists as someone who is your man on the inside most of the time. Say for earlier how Amalia was trying to break into that museum? If there was a security guard working there as your specialist then that person could have simply opened the door and allow her to walk in and steal them. Specialists sometime opens routes that would be closed off of you otherwise. Example you wanted to raid Fort Knox and steal the gold with the normal rabid followers you would not get far but with a pack of mercenary specialists who are organized and strong it can be done, hard but it can be done. That make sense? It is effectively a game changer. This is excluding Flames swordsmen training thing because I thought it would make sense for Flame's religion to have people train to be swordsmen.

I will address your second concern in another post.

But none of these have clear affects on the rolls. As I said, we have:

1. A massive plague consuming Britain
2. Military units defecting to cults
3. Government officials converting
etc.

without any specialists involved. I haven't seen as single roll where a specialists made a difference. If there is one, then, I would ask you guys be more transparent with you equated a roll number to it's consequence. For instance, this RP I'm in is extremely transparent with the math behind the consequences. You can't really deny the result of an action. Here, though, the rolls seem to completely up to the OP/Co-OP, with wildly different results. What is the difference between a 5 and a 6? Or a 6 and a 7? Only 10s and 1s seem to have clearly defined results.

1. That wasn't caused by specialists. That was caused by a certain God trying to make medicine which turned out to be lethal by a 1 roll. It wouldn't have turned into a plague if a 1 wasn't rolled and instead would have been simply a poison that kills people. Its lethality was also decided by a poor roll as was how bad the outbreak was.
2. I wasn't aware of full blown defections because that isn't the point. These people are, for the most part, supposed to keep their normal lives going. Because the goal is to convert the world, not isolate ourselves in our temples.
3. Flame got a series of 10s which resulted in the Prime Minister joining (Flame got a lot of 10s), the Duma member was gained for me due to a 10 causing him to be at that meeting, the Chief of the Navy was meeting with another Admiral coincidentally and he was easier to convince than the Admiral. No other government official was recruited (Excluding Members of the National Diet which made sense if they are members of the Prime Minister's party)

As for what each one means I have, in the rolls I have been doing, been trying to use consistent language. So this is me speaking for myself. 5 is of course the middle way, if you want to convince a group of something a 5 means they are evenly divided. A six means just over half the people agree a four means a bit less than half (when it comes to convincing a group each number might as well be 10%).

Now for events themselves.
A 2 is skirting the edge of disaster but there is a chance for a saving throw in some cases, reference how Amalia got a 2 during initial negotiations but had a saving roll of 8 (I think that's what it was) that saved it, if she had failed the saving throw she would have been arrested or worse. A 9 is near perfect but there were areas where it could have been better. A 3 is something went greatly wrong but it isn't a disaster yet. An 8 means a great success. A 7 means things went moderately good. A 4 means a somewhat poor result while a 6 means a somewhat good result. A 5 is the middle ground again which means the good parts of the result countered the bad.

For me when it comes to recruiting government officials you need either a series of 10s that lead to it, like Flame, or a 10 followed by a successful recruitment roll for them. Example Anastasia and the Duma member, a 10 had him show up, it wouldn't if it was an 9 or lower. The recruitment of him was successful because a 9 was received and a I had set it as an 8 or lower would have failed at this amount of followers at the time

[Elysian Kentarchy]

285.

Ah, no, I misread what was happening.

Nevertheless, now that my criticism there is debunked, what role to specialists actually have, and why was my follower increased capped while his was not?

Now as for why it was capped and the other was not I am unsure, since two different people made that decision. Why I capped your increase was because I was picturing you were aiming to recruit the best of the best thus the best of the best would be in limited numbers and would be picky about their choices in employers. A five in that case was it sounded good to some but not enough for others. If I thought that you were just willing to recruit any random person who happens to call themselves a merc I wouldn't have capped it.

While for the soldiers thing under the one Faal did I am, again, unsure but if I had to justify it is that he was just recruiting random grunts, cannon fodder basically not a professional soldier which is symbolized by the officers recruitment being separate from the main. So they are not specialists by virtue of not having any power and just being random people who have a gun, so similar if one recruited the State of Texas. Again that is my guess but I think it makes sense. I honestly had no power in that and I assumed that is the method Faal used.

[Lemunaria]

Ah, no, I misread what was happening.

Nevertheless, now that my criticism there is debunked, what role to specialists actually have, and why was my follower increased capped while his was not?

Now as for why it was capped and the other was not I am unsure, since two different people made that decision. Why I capped your increase was because I was picturing you were aiming to recruit the best of the best thus the best of the best would be in limited numbers and would be picky about their choices in employers. A five in that case was it sounded good to some but not enough for others. If I thought that you were just willing to recruit any random person who happens to call themselves a merc I wouldn't have capped it.

While for the soldiers thing under the one Faal did I am, again, unsure but if I had to justify it is that he was just recruiting random grunts, cannon fodder basically not a professional soldier which is symbolized by the officers recruitment being separate from the main. So they are not specialists by virtue of not having any power and just being random people who have a gun, so similar if one recruited the State of Texas. Again that is my guess but I think it makes sense. I honestly had no power in that and I assumed that is the method Faal used.

That makes the most sense - ground level soldiers have little to no power within the military and are only used for - as you said, cannon fodder. Its not like I was attempting to recruit a field marshal, special ops or even the the Commander of the entire Iraqi Army. It was basically just normal people who knew how to shoot a gun properly. I am pretty sure a regular old grunt would be seen as a normal follower as they have nothing special about them compared to a specialized unit.

[Exelia]

1. That wasn't caused by specialists. That was caused by a certain God trying to make medicine which turned out to be lethal by a 1 roll. It wouldn't have turned into a plague if a 1 wasn't rolled and instead would have been simply a poison that kills people. Its lethality was also decided by a poor roll as was how bad the outbreak was.

No, but the plague is spreading across all the continents and killing thousands while destabilizing whole countries. When you can achieve those kinds of results, why do you need specialists?

2. I wasn't aware of full blown defections because that isn't the point. These people are, for the most part, supposed to keep their normal lives going. Because the goal is to convert the world, not isolate ourselves in our temples.

It is swearing adherence to an outside deity that runs contrary both to their oaths to the military and the native Islamic traditions.

3. Flame got a series of 10s which resulted in the Prime Minister joining (Flame got a lot of 10s), the Duma member was gained for me due to a 10 causing him to be at that meeting, the Chief of the Navy was meeting with another Admiral coincidentally and he was easier to convince than the Admiral. No other government official was recruited (Excluding Members of the National Diet which made sense if they are members of the Prime Minister's party)

The Prime Minister joining is huge, and wildly unbalanced. Could the President of the US be converted on a ten? How about the Russian president? Or the Japanese Emperor? None of these questions have clear answers. By this logic I could keep rolling again and again while trying to convert Obama until a get a 10 - in which case, now the entire US military is under my control.

As for what each one means I have, in the rolls I have been doing, been trying to use consistent language. So this is me speaking for myself. 5 is of course the middle way, if you want to convince a group of something a 5 means they are evenly divided. A six means just over half the people agree a four means a bit less than half (when it comes to convincing a group each number might as well be 10%).

That is fine when you are dealing with clearly numerical quantities. But this makes less sense when we are talking about converting people. Say Flame didn't get a ten, and instead rolled a 9 - would the Chief still be converted? A person either covnerts or doesn't - what is the difference between a 6 or 7 on their conversion?

Now for events themselves.
A 2 is skirting the edge of disaster but there is a chance for a saving throw in some cases, reference how Amalia got a 2 during initial negotiations but had a saving roll of 8 (I think that's what it was) that saved it

And this is the major problem that, more orless, renders the entire dice system useless. This incentivizes players to make long, convulsed numbers of dice rolls until they get a "saving throw". There was no point to the 2 because Amalia got an 8. Might as well have just rolled an 8. You just spam as many rolls as you can, since there is no cap to them, until you get the rolls you want.

For me when it comes to recruiting government officials you need either a series of 10s that lead to it, like Flame, or a 10 followed by a successful recruitment roll for them. Example Anastasia and the Duma member, a 10 had him show up, it wouldn't if it was an 9 or lower. The recruitment of him was successful because a 9 was received and a I had set it as an 8 or lower would have failed at this amount of followers at the time

What determines how much it takes to covert one person or a different person? For the admiral you wildly threw in a different person that wasn't even expected to be on the roll. Could I accidentally convert the US President when I am trying to convince a Senator?

[Jorliefstreiken]

Rolls i shall need:

Follower rolls:

Black Temple event, describing Dragons, their history, and other such things, working on converting people. it will be telecast and tickets will be sold.

Norweigan Prime Minister Conversion Process

Amalia's Cash gain

Black Temple Restoration

Dragon Hatching Process

Blowing up ships in the UK.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

What the f### was that link just doing in here?
I took the time to look what this guy posted before he andeverything he had done was deleted and all of his posts were some kind of shady links like that one.
I hope no one clicked it.
Could as well containa virus.