Europe: The Dark Continent (OOC and signups)

[Sanabel]

That is a...
large claim.

Don`t know the Black Death`s effects on Poland though. Even with our upgraded version.

Indeed it tis. I figured since we're like the last remains of Europe before the Plague.

The majority was unaffected entirely.

Warsaw was like completely unscathed. Which would allow for super easy and rapid expansion even during the black plague. IMO, it's completely reasonable.

[Togeria]

Poland was hit, but it was less severe. They didn't really have that many big cities just a lot of villages which in themselves were spread out around the kingdom. Without a large center for the plague to hit and fester the affects of it itself are less severe. Probably not the only reason, but a big one.

[Sanabel]

Poland was hit, but it was less severe. They didn't really have that many big cities just a lot of villages which in themselves were spread out around the kingdom. Without a large center for the plague to hit and fester the affects of it itself are less severe. Probably not the only reason, but a big one.

A lot of it is due to local superstitions regarding kitty cats, which lead to there being simply tons of them, which killed tons of rodents. Another major reason is one of Poland's greatest kings ever, Kazimierz III Wielki, put Poland's villages and peoples under quarantine, armed quarantine and basically closed the country. This was hard to do along the frontiers but was super affective in the core of the country. And Poland did have cities, like Warsaw, which were actually fairly wealthy. But major reasons are quarantine, sparse population along frontiers, and kitty cats being everywhere.

[Togeria]

Poland was hit, but it was less severe. They didn't really have that many big cities just a lot of villages which in themselves were spread out around the kingdom. Without a large center for the plague to hit and fester the affects of it itself are less severe. Probably not the only reason, but a big one.

A lot of it is due to local superstitions regarding kitty cats, which lead to there being simply tons of them, which killed tons of rodents. Another major reason is one of Poland's greatest kings ever, Kazimierz III Wielki, put Poland's villages and peoples under quarantine, armed quarantine and basically closed the country. This was hard to do along the frontiers but was super affective in the core of the country. And Poland did have cities, like Warsaw, which were actually fairly wealthy. But major reasons are quarantine, sparse population along frontiers, and kitty cats being everywhere.

Morale of the story if Europe just kept their cat population then they would've been fine. That and if they actually kept their streets cleaned to a degree it wouldn't have spread the way it did. My last gripe just how the majority of European cities were built at this time lead to the plague really spreading and fermenting leading to people becoming infected.

[Sanabel]

A lot of it is due to local superstitions regarding kitty cats, which lead to there being simply tons of them, which killed tons of rodents. Another major reason is one of Poland's greatest kings ever, Kazimierz III Wielki, put Poland's villages and peoples under quarantine, armed quarantine and basically closed the country. This was hard to do along the frontiers but was super affective in the core of the country. And Poland did have cities, like Warsaw, which were actually fairly wealthy. But major reasons are quarantine, sparse population along frontiers, and kitty cats being everywhere.

Morale of the story if Europe just kept their cat population then they would've been fine. That and if they actually kept their streets cleaned to a degree it wouldn't have spread the way it did. My last gripe just how the majority of European cities were built at this time lead to the plague really spreading and fermenting leading to people becoming infected.

Most historic Polish cities did spring up during or right after the black plague(like Lublin), showing how the nation was fine during the plague. Because of this, and looking at irl Polish migration post plague, Poland could indeed have such a massive amount of land and population after the black plague by this time in this timeline.

[Togeria]

Morale of the story if Europe just kept their cat population then they would've been fine. That and if they actually kept their streets cleaned to a degree it wouldn't have spread the way it did. My last gripe just how the majority of European cities were built at this time lead to the plague really spreading and fermenting leading to people becoming infected.

Most historic Polish cities did spring up during or right after the black plague(like Lublin), showing how the nation was fine during the plague. Because of this, and looking at irl Polish migration post plague, Poland could indeed have such a massive amount of land and population after the black plague by this time in this timeline.

Morale pretend this is EU4 and ally with the commonwealth in the beginning.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

I got a group basically going throughout the known world and telling states to have some their pop migrate to Ruma. I'm pretty sure a band in Arabia can head towards your state.

*Kicks dirt, hits rock, stubs toe*

Pros and cons of moving to Italy:

Pros:

Fertile land
Fine wines
Less heat
Tuscan leather

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Cons:

Rocky terrain
Cold weather
Far away
Reconquista potential

[Akksum]

*Kicks dirt, hits rock, stubs toe*

Pros and cons of moving to Italy:

Pros:

Fertile land
Fine wines
Less heat
Tuscan leather

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Cons:

Rocky terrain
Cold weather
Far away
Reconquista potential

hey buddy.... Move to.............. Iberia.

[Sanabel]

*Kicks dirt, hits rock, stubs toe*

Pros and cons of moving to Italy:

Pros:

Fertile land
Fine wines
Less heat
Tuscan leather

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Cons:

Rocky terrain
Cold weather
Far away
Reconquista potential

And the fact that your people are land based and aren't very maritime or even agrarian. You'll fail.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Pros and cons of moving to Italy:

Pros:

Fertile land
Fine wines
Less heat
Tuscan leather

---

Cons:

Rocky terrain
Cold weather
Far away
Reconquista potential

hey buddy.... Move to.............. Iberia.

>TMW you're the only Arabic-speaking people in Iberia who are actually Arabian

What does Hispania have to offer our tribe and our queen?

[Akksum]

hey buddy.... Move to.............. Iberia.

>TMW you're the only Arabic-speaking people in Iberia who are actually Arabian

What does Hispania have to offer our tribe and our queen?

The fact of religion. Along with the fact of they were majorly affected by the plague. Easy conquest, and a center hub of trade.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

>TMW you're the only Arabic-speaking people in Iberia who are actually Arabian

What does Hispania have to offer our tribe and our queen?

The fact of religion. Along with the fact of they were majorly affected by the plague. Easy conquest, and a center hub of trade.

>TMW you're pagan nomads

[Akksum]

The fact of religion. Along with the fact of they were majorly affected by the plague. Easy conquest, and a center hub of trade.

>TMW you're pagan nomads

I'm not. I'm in north germany. XD

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

>TMW you're pagan nomads

I'm not. I'm in north germany. XD

I am, though.

I feel like the Moors are trying to lure me to their lands for nefarious purposes...

[Sanabel]

I'm not. I'm in north germany. XD

I am, though
I feel like the Moors are trying to lure me to their lands for nefarious purposes...

Maybe we need a giant anti-Moore coalition. Think of how everyone but them would benefit.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

I am, though
I feel like the Moors are trying to lure me to their lands for nefarious purposes...

Maybe we need a giant anti-Moore coalition. Think of how everyone but them would benefit.

Berbers: Can't live with them, can't live without them.

[Sanabel]

Maybe we need a giant anti-Moore coalition. Think of how everyone but them would benefit.

Berbers: Can't live with them, can't live without them.

We'd be fine without em.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Berbers: Can't live with them, can't live without them.

We'd be fine without em.

I suppose you would. Hmm....


This makes me wonder if an alternate Barghawata Confederation could've prospered. It seems the Moors have Morocco, but they could've migrated.

[Sanabel]

We'd be fine without em.

I suppose you would. Hmm....


This makes me wonder if an alternate Barghawata Confederation could've prospered. It seems the Moors have Morocco, but they could've migrated.

We have different spheres atm. But if I could mitigate future conflict now...

That'd be interesting. Id want to be friends.

[Soviet Chernarus]

Does anyone want to trade with Vijayanagara?

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Does anyone want to trade with Vijayanagara?

Send your Dravidians our way and we'll transport you across the desert for a price. Circumvent traffic, highwaymen, and tariffs all at once!

[Sanabel]

Does anyone want to trade with Vijayanagara?

YES.

That'd also be a gr8 excuse for one of us to colonize the cape.

And our desire to reach Asia is why we will discover the New World.

[Soviet Chernarus]

Does anyone want to trade with Vijayanagara?

Send your Dravidians our way and we'll transport you across the desert for a price. Circumvent traffic, highwaymen, and tariffs all at once!

What kind of price are we talking about?

Does anyone want to trade with Vijayanagara?

YES.

That'd also be a gr8 excuse for one of us to colonize the cape.

And our desire to reach Asia is why we will discover the New World.

Okay, I'll send some people over there soon, to work out an actual trade treaty.

[Togeria]

I am, though
I feel like the Moors are trying to lure me to their lands for nefarious purposes...

Maybe we need a giant anti-Moore coalition. Think of how everyone but them would benefit.

Bitch, I just want trade. Like goddamn trade and increasing my pop are my only goals.

p.s: Sorry for calling you a bitch, just seems like most the world is against me.

[Sanabel]

Send your Dravidians our way and we'll transport you across the desert for a price. Circumvent traffic, highwaymen, and tariffs all at once!

What kind of price are we talking about?

YES.

That'd also be a gr8 excuse for one of us to colonize the cape.

And our desire to reach Asia is why we will discover the New World.

Okay, I'll send some people over there soon, to work out an actual trade treaty.

K we are far. So good luck. But we could have some fun setting up trading outposts in southern Africa.