The Historical RP Group HQ 3

[Negara-West Hesia]

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How does that look?

I use font:RUSKOF

It looks pretty neat graphically, but a different font might be better.

It's not a setting I'd advocate.

Allen, you should add semicolons to the poll options

[Narintia]

I wouldn't want to live in this Japan.

I want a different font that can support Japanese charcters

[The Jonathanian States]

Graphically nice, except for the font, which I like less.
I'd have assumed they'd at least formally have the east-Siberian coast under control or influence up to Kamchatka, as well Indonesia for its oil and stuff.
Also, I have to mention that Axis victories range from quite unlikely to ASB, pending your definition of victory, axis, and the history itself.

I as of now have only read the first one about Fort Pitt and Smallpox, but from it and what I can see of titles and descriptions of the others I've yet to see anything that conflicts with GGS, let alone is criticism of it.
The third one, from skimming through it, to be honest, seems to deal more or less solely with stonemasonry. At least to the point I reached in GGS, I don't recall it delving into that.
So because I'm not going to 11 more, potentially rather long, posts on reddit, I'd appreciate you being a bit more specific.

You stopped right before the relevant stuff, the whole Myths of Conquest series.

I'll have to check those, then.

[Narintia]

IE: Pearl harbour doesn't happen, instead, Japan focuses on China and clears them up. After China defeated, Japan declares war on USSR, takes Vladistok, use trans siberian rail way, win war.

Haha noone likes the font. Recommend one please?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

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[Reatra]

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How does that look?

I use font:RUSKOF

nuke pls
But yeah, graphically, nice. I'm not a big fan of the font, and the black borders on the land boundaries are questionable, but me riley. Purdy.

Somebody called?

[Narintia]

Ah yes, i sent you a telegram regarding important details.

:3

[The Jonathanian States]

nuke pls
But yeah, graphically, nice. I'm not a big fan of the font, and the black borders on the land boundaries are questionable, but me riley. Purdy.

Somebody called?

No, it says me rikey:

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How does that look?

I use font:RUSKOF

nuke pls
But yeah, graphically, nice. I'm not a big fan of the font, and the black borders on the land boundaries are questionable, but me rikey. Purdy.

[Reatra]

Somebody called?

No, it says me rikey:

nuke pls
But yeah, graphically, nice. I'm not a big fan of the font, and the black borders on the land boundaries are questionable, but me rikey. Purdy.

Yeah

[Senkaku]

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How does that look?

I use font:RUSKOF

Lmao Japan genociding the Han you are a funny man

Even if every Han in those territories got wiped out (apparently by the intervention of Amaterasu herself), there'd still be more than 10 million alive

IE: Pearl harbour doesn't happen, instead, Japan focuses on China and clears them up. After China defeated, Japan declares war on USSR, takes Vladistok, use trans siberian rail way, win war.

Haha noone likes the font. Recommend one please?

"clears them up"
So you're suggesting Japan had the logistical and military capability to not just conquer, but almost completely wipe out the Han people... and then tackle Rossiya? And the United States tolerates all of this, and Japan does it apparently without any oil because the US embargo is somehow not choking the life out of their military?

You are an amusing fellow. Perhaps I shall keep you as a jester.

Relevant criticism of GGS:

Pretty much all of these links.

Inaccuracies of Grey: A Disease-Free Paradise and Immune Europeans

Guns, Germs, and Steel - Chapter 3: Collision at Cajamarca

1. None of those links seem to contradict GGS. Diamond never suggested the Americas were pristine, that Cortez and Pizarro conquered everything alone, that everyone accepted Spanish rule, or that disease was the sole killer. Anyone who's actually read the books would know this. (I didn't click through every. single. link. )
2. This is a critique of a video made by a fan of the book. Not the book. Diamond never suggests that the Americas were somehow pristine virgin innocent places.
3a. When Diamond uses the figure of 80,000, it is relevant. Yes, Pizarro massacred a smaller group of unarmed attendants... and the colossal army right next to them did not rescue the Sapa Inka. This says he tries to make it look like a "function of inherent European superiority", which his whole book is specifically trying to go against, and which I think it's safe to say he isn't.
3b. Not everyone obeyed Atahualpa. Yes, okay. I know. But that doesn't mean his capture did throw a large portion of the empire into turmoil and make Spain's work easier. Additionally, poster makes out like most of Huascar's allies were around and kicking, which is a bit misleading. The whole "all it did was reignite the civil war" thing? That's pretty significant. As for "how Diamond introduced it", yes, he picked it as a decisive turning point, and while it wasn't the sole event that led to the collapse of the empire, it's an event that can be used as such and has been many times before by other historians.
3c. The point about him underplaying the advantages of luck and native allies are quite solid.
3d. Another good point, that section was confusing, nor is Atahualpa the only thing keeping the empire together.
3e. Seems fair, I disagreed with him about this myself (the whole "literate tradition" thing).
3f. I like the idea that his scientific training made him inclined to trust primary source data, I had not considered that but it does make a lot of sense. However, the essay-writer is, I think, conflating his analysis of why Europe has come to dominate the world with an analysis of why Europe is superior to the rest of the world. He's just trying to establish how Europeans have conquered and influenced so much, which the essay takes as an attempt to prove cultural superiority.

I really like that third essay, though, it does raise the very interesting point of Diamond's preference for primary-source data even when it may be biased. I'd say that extends to the entire book, in fact.

[Narintia]

I didn't say it was completely fact. Infact it's based on no fact at all. Also, the map only shows the State of Japan. The GEACPS exists, and Japan is at it's helm.

[Senkaku]

I didn't say it was completely fact. Infact it's based on no fact at all. Also, the map only shows the State of Japan. The GEACPS exists, and Japan is at it's helm.

It says in the image that Japan has wiped out the Han and Manchu and only 10 million are left.

Unless, of course, I am hallucinating.

[Narintia]

Yeah, Japan is at the helm of GEACPS, so they would wipe out the han in their allies too.

[Lunas Legion]

Unlike kebab, there are simply too many Han to remove.

Unless you start dropping cobalt bombs all over China, of course, in which case China will be a useless radioactive mess for a long time.

[Narintia]

True.

[Terminus Alpha]

Unlike kebab, there are simply too many Han to remove.

Unless you start dropping cobalt bombs all over China, of course, in which case China will be a useless radioactive mess for a long time.

Maybe post-war Japanese policies made most of the Han either die or assimilate into Japanese identity.

[Narintia]

Finally, someone that doesn't hate the font!

[Lunas Legion]

Unlike kebab, there are simply too many Han to remove.

Unless you start dropping cobalt bombs all over China, of course, in which case China will be a useless radioactive mess for a long time.

Maybe post-war Japanese policies made most of the Han either die or assimilate into Japanese identity.

You can't assimilate an ethnicity. Especally not one under the nationalism that any conquered nation suffers. And we've already said there's far too many to kill.

There's a very good reason that although China has most certianly been beaten in wars, no one's ever succeeded in properly conquering it. Hell, even the Eight-Nation Alliance didn't go all-out partitioning with China, and that was all the GPs together.

[Senkaku]

Unlike kebab, there are simply too many Han to remove.

Unless you start dropping cobalt bombs all over China, of course, in which case China will be a useless radioactive mess for a long time.

Maybe post-war Japanese policies made most of the Han either die or assimilate into Japanese identity.

Again, unless you drop a lot of cobalt bombs... and even then, you'd have an exodus of tens of millions of survivors, and China would be a useless radioactive wasteland for centuries to come.



You can ask the Mongols and the Manchus how it went for them.
Oh wait. I meant the Yuan and the Qing.

[Reatra]

Maybe post-war Japanese policies made most of the Han either die or assimilate into Japanese identity.

Again, unless you drop a lot of cobalt bombs... and even then, you'd have an exodus of tens of millions of survivors, and China would be a useless radioactive wasteland for centuries to come.



You can ask the Mongols and the Manchus how it went for them.
Oh wait. I meant the Yuan and the Qing.

DAAAAAAYUM


Also, Senkaku, I want your opinion on the Ming escaping to the New World from Taiwan (leaving the barbaric natives) when the Qing come along.

[Senkaku]

Again, unless you drop a lot of cobalt bombs... and even then, you'd have an exodus of tens of millions of survivors, and China would be a useless radioactive wasteland for centuries to come.



You can ask the Mongols and the Manchus how it went for them.
Oh wait. I meant the Yuan and the Qing.

DAAAAAAYUM


Also, Senkaku, I want your opinion on the Ming escaping to the New World from Taiwan (leaving the barbaric natives) when the Qing come along.

Ridiculous. Not enough Ming on Taiwan, Ming fleet was in shambles by then, they wouldn't have even made it to Hawaii (and that's a big fucking undertaking just by itself).
Plus, if your app is going into the same thread as the one I put it, it would contradict with the more realistic explanation for Chinese Cali I've already written (but that you apparently have not read).

[Reatra]

DAAAAAAYUM


Also, Senkaku, I want your opinion on the Ming escaping to the New World from Taiwan (leaving the barbaric natives) when the Qing come along.

Ridiculous. Not enough Ming on Taiwan, Ming fleet was in shambles by then, they wouldn't have even made it to Hawaii (and that's a big fucking undertaking just by itself).
Plus, if your app is going into the same thread as the one I put it, it would contradict with the more realistic explanation for Chinese Cali I've already written (but that you apparently have not read).

All it says is that gold came from California?

[Finland SSR]

LET'S TALK ABOUT LITHUANIA DAMMIT

What is your favorite historical event involving Lithuania?

mine is the birth of me ofc

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

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[Reatra]

LET'S TALK ABOUT LITHUANIA DAMMIT

What is your favorite historical event involving Lithuania?

mine is the birth of me ofc

When they became cowards and stopped fighting the Lithuanian-Crimean War and the Ming Dynasty had to set someone else take over.