The Historical RP Group HQ 3

[Senkaku]

I've been gone for two months,

What's GGS?

A garbage heap that blames history on geography.

I fixed your capitalization because it was bothering the shit out of me

It's quite good, really. I am quite certain it does not blame "every human action in history" on the environment, just attributes the different states and paces of development in different societies to the resources they had available to them, rather than the inherent intelligence of the peoples who created said societies. Which, really, makes rather a lot of sense, especially compared to the alternative theory, which is basically that white people are special (but no one knows how or why).

[Finland SSR]

Jared wasn't completely wrong, he just picked the wrong modifiers.

[Alleniana]

Even if it does "blame" everything that humans do on the environment, so what? I mean, sure, it conflicts with our special snowflake mentality that we have as humans, but if scientific tests generally conclude that the difference between "races" is minimal, surely it makes sense for the way in which any large group of people act the same.

There was a quote that I can't recall and can't find, but it went something like "It is impossible to predict the actions of an individual; it is possible to perfectly predict the actions of a sufficiently large group of people."

Jared wasn't completely wrong, he just picked the wrong modifiers.

"Smugglers Dominating" modifier

[Finland SSR]

Even if it does "blame" everything that humans do on the environment, so what? I mean, sure, it conflicts with our special snowflake mentality that we have as humans, but if scientific tests generally conclude that the difference between "races" is minimal, surely it makes sense for the way in which any large group of people act the same.

There was a quote that I can't recall and can't find, but it went something like "It is impossible to predict the actions of an individual; it is possible to perfectly predict the actions of a sufficiently large group of people."

Jared wasn't completely wrong, he just picked the wrong modifiers.

"Smugglers Dominating" modifier

We got to read GGS recently in our tiny ring of history students, and I could say that I can agree with you here.

The problem in that Jared didn't make environmental determinism. It had existed for hundreds of years and was usually rejected by the circles for being Eurocentric and faulty. Which just makes it even harder to accept GGS as a solid book for explaining this kind of stuff.

Though, there is criticism to be found. Jared often cherrypicks examples to prove his point and he mainly focuses on one part of the environmental spectrum, that is the biological-climate one. That's why I said "the wrong modifiers".

[Alleniana]

Even if it does "blame" everything that humans do on the environment, so what? I mean, sure, it conflicts with our special snowflake mentality that we have as humans, but if scientific tests generally conclude that the difference between "races" is minimal, surely it makes sense for the way in which any large group of people act the same.

There was a quote that I can't recall and can't find, but it went something like "It is impossible to predict the actions of an individual; it is possible to perfectly predict the actions of a sufficiently large group of people."

"Smugglers Dominating" modifier

We got to read GGS recently in our tiny ring of history students, and I could say that I can agree with you here.

The problem in that Jared didn't make environmental determinism. It had existed for hundreds of years and was usually rejected by the circles for being Eurocentric and faulty. Which just makes it even harder to accept GGS as a solid book for explaining this kind of stuff.

Though, there is criticism to be found. Jared often cherrypicks examples to prove his point and he mainly focuses on one part of the environmental spectrum, that is the biological-climate one. That's why I said "the wrong modifiers".

To be frank, I haven't read enough of it to say much more than I already have. But no doubt, it would be silly to assume his book is perfect.

In any case, I'm basically in agreement, going off what I know of the book both from what I've read and what others have said/commented/perceived.

Say, what do you do? I know it's something to do with history; degree at uni? What is't?

[Finland SSR]

We got to read GGS recently in our tiny ring of history students, and I could say that I can agree with you here.

The problem in that Jared didn't make environmental determinism. It had existed for hundreds of years and was usually rejected by the circles for being Eurocentric and faulty. Which just makes it even harder to accept GGS as a solid book for explaining this kind of stuff.

Though, there is criticism to be found. Jared often cherrypicks examples to prove his point and he mainly focuses on one part of the environmental spectrum, that is the biological-climate one. That's why I said "the wrong modifiers".

To be frank, I haven't read enough of it to say much more than I already have. But no doubt, it would be silly to assume his book is perfect.

In any case, I'm basically in agreement, going off what I know of the book both from what I've read and what others have said/commented/perceived.

Say, what do you do? I know it's something to do with history; degree at uni? What is't?

Still studying for a degree here in Turku. Picked the Eastern Europe and literature history specializations.

[Alleniana]

To be frank, I haven't read enough of it to say much more than I already have. But no doubt, it would be silly to assume his book is perfect.

In any case, I'm basically in agreement, going off what I know of the book both from what I've read and what others have said/commented/perceived.

Say, what do you do? I know it's something to do with history; degree at uni? What is't?

Still studying for a degree here in Turku. Picked the Eastern Europe and literature history specializations.

What degree is it?

[Finland SSR]

Still studying for a degree here in Turku. Picked the Eastern Europe and literature history specializations.

What degree is it?

Master's degree, though I think I'll go as far as FT (PhD).

[Alleniana]

What degree is it?

Master's degree, though I think I'll go as far as FT (PhD).

I mean, is it a history degree? It might sounds obvious, but there's some serious screwed up uni systems around the world (*cough cough* "you can't do law jd here unless you have a bachelor's that's not law", what the fuck Melbourne Uni), and they seem to be coming to Australia as of recent years.

[The Jonathanian States]

Even if it does "blame" everything that humans do on the environment, so what? I mean, sure, it conflicts with our special snowflake mentality that we have as humans, but if scientific tests generally conclude that the difference between "races" is minimal, surely it makes sense for the way in which any large group of people act the same.

There was a quote that I can't recall and can't find, but it went something like "It is impossible to predict the actions of an individual; it is possible to perfectly predict the actions of a sufficiently large group of people."

"Smugglers Dominating" modifier

We got to read GGS recently in our tiny ring of history students, and I could say that I can agree with you here.

The problem in that Jared didn't make environmental determinism. It had existed for hundreds of years and was usually rejected by the circles for being Eurocentric and faulty. Which just makes it even harder to accept GGS as a solid book for explaining this kind of stuff.

Really? Interesting. I have to admit GGS was, so far, my only encounter with enviromental determinism but I guess it only makes sense that such an idea was not created as late as a few years ago.

Though, there is criticism to be found. Jared often cherrypicks examples to prove his point

I recall having heard that one once and IIRC that was an issue I had at some point while reading.

and he mainly focuses on one part of the environmental spectrum, that is the biological-climate one. That's why I said "the wrong modifiers".

Indeed.

What degree is it?

Master's degree, though I think I'll go as far as FT (PhD).

Fancy.

Even if it does "blame" everything that humans do on the environment, so what? I mean, sure, it conflicts with our special snowflake mentality that we have as humans, but if scientific tests generally conclude that the difference between "races" is minimal, surely it makes sense for the way in which any large group of people act the same.

There was a quote that I can't recall and can't find, but it went something like "It is impossible to predict the actions of an individual; it is possible to perfectly predict the actions of a sufficiently large group of people."

Even in case of a large group I would not say perfectly, though I'd agree to sufficiently.

Jared wasn't completely wrong, he just picked the wrong modifiers.

"Smugglers Dominating" modifier

Ouch, that one calls up much pain from my Venice Ironman.

[Alleniana]

Even if it does "blame" everything that humans do on the environment, so what? I mean, sure, it conflicts with our special snowflake mentality that we have as humans, but if scientific tests generally conclude that the difference between "races" is minimal, surely it makes sense for the way in which any large group of people act the same.

There was a quote that I can't recall and can't find, but it went something like "It is impossible to predict the actions of an individual; it is possible to perfectly predict the actions of a sufficiently large group of people."

Even in case of a large group I would not say perfectly, though I'd agree to sufficiently.

It is a quote, so it has to use some hyperbole to be catchy and snappy enough to be quoted.

"Smugglers Dominating" modifier

Ouch, that one calls up much pain from my Venice Ironman.

I would always click "it's too expensive", high basetax ftw. Trade is too mysterious; it's like trying to figure out a box with various unlabeled buttons on it, and pushing each of the buttons to see what happens; except, unlike the static box, what the buttons do (with relation to each other) keep changing.

[Reatra]

Jared wasn't completely wrong, he just picked the wrong modifiers.

"Came to Americas too soon before the Ice Age ended and therefore hunted megafauna to almost extinction, while the Ice Age ending put the final nail in the coffin and made the Americas an almost megafauna-less hemisphere" modifier?

[Finland SSR]

Jared wasn't completely wrong, he just picked the wrong modifiers.

"Came to Americas too soon before the Ice Age ended and therefore hunted megafauna to almost extinction, while the Ice Age ending put the final nail in the coffin and made the Americas an almost megafauna-less hemisphere" modifier?

More like "came to a continent with only one (crappy) inland sea with all the action happening oceans away, thus missing out on all the science and resource exchange from trade as trade is one of the most important development factors"

[Swith Witherward]

The 2015 Awards Discussion Thread - Your input would be greatly appreciated. Plus, judges will be needed.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=362928

Swith
P2TM Mentor

[Terminus Alpha]

Relevant criticism of GGS:

Pretty much all of these links.

Inaccuracies of Grey: A Disease-Free Paradise and Immune Europeans

Guns, Germs, and Steel - Chapter 3: Collision at Cajamarca

[The Jonathanian States]

Relevant criticism of GGS:

Pretty much all of these links.

I as of now have only read the first one about Fort Pitt and Smallpox, but from it and what I can see of titles and descriptions of the others I've yet to see anything that conflicts with GGS, let alone is criticism of it.
The third one, from skimming through it, to be honest, seems to deal more or less solely with stonemasonry. At least to the point I reached in GGS, I don't recall it delving into that.
So because I'm not going to 11 more, potentially rather long, posts on reddit, I'd appreciate you being a bit more specific.

Inaccuracies of Grey: A Disease-Free Paradise and Immune Europeans

This actually deals with it so I'm going to read it because I'm actually intrigued.

Guns, Germs, and Steel - Chapter 3: Collision at Cajamarca

That has now been added to my reading list as well, because I'm interested. EDIT: Read this one, those actually are some quite solid points I was not aware of or did not consider. /EDIT

[Reatra]

Relevant criticism of GGS:

Pretty much all of these links.

Inaccuracies of Grey: A Disease-Free Paradise and Immune Europeans

Guns, Germs, and Steel - Chapter 3: Collision at Cajamarca

"By Diamond's logic, shouldn't Pizarro's "literate tradition" have informed him of the possibility of Almagro's betrayal? I mean, come on, hadn't he read about Julius Caeser? Oh wait no. He couldn't fucking read."


Holy fucking shit

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Welp, passed the term, and instead of drinking myself to death til the next one I'll try to dust off my rusty rp "skills."

ARR?

ARR.

I do miss shouting at people....time to continue that map be back in two weeks.

[Terminus Alpha]

Relevant criticism of GGS:

Pretty much all of these links.

I as of now have only read the first one about Fort Pitt and Smallpox, but from it and what I can see of titles and descriptions of the others I've yet to see anything that conflicts with GGS, let alone is criticism of it.
The third one, from skimming through it, to be honest, seems to deal more or less solely with stonemasonry. At least to the point I reached in GGS, I don't recall it delving into that.
So because I'm not going to 11 more, potentially rather long, posts on reddit, I'd appreciate you being a bit more specific.

You stopped right before the relevant stuff, the whole Myths of Conquest series.

[Alleniana]

The 2015 Awards Discussion Thread - Your input would be greatly appreciated. Plus, judges will be needed.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=362928

Swith
P2TM Mentor

heh yum
alright let's all vote for each other and hugbox this thing


To be honest, I've stalled a bit on GGS, but rest assured, the road to the History rebirthy RP thing is still open. And, for anyone who didn't see it, the app I planned to use is a while back. And, also, once again, reminder that I will mostly base how history works in the RP off Why the West Rules: For Now, and depending on how good it is, also GGS in varying proportions with it.

[Narintia]

How does that look?

I use font:RUSKOF

[Alleniana]

(Image)

How does that look?

I use font:RUSKOF

nuke pls
But yeah, graphically, nice. I'm not a big fan of the font, and the black borders on the land boundaries are questionable, but me rikey. Purdy.

[Narintia]

Thanks!

[Alleniana]

Oh, but I do have to question, what of Hainan?

[Narintia]

I should have shown it as control of Japan, but lets just say they are rebelling