Spark of Civilization - OOC/Signups (Semi-Open) - Antiquity

[The Flame Dawn]

Depends. I think the risk of revolution is quite high, especially given the size of the pop and the fact that you're occupying with the weakest unit in existence.

But they won't rebel if they respect my troops. It'd be out of character.

But they are a small group of poorly trained and poorly armed civilians. They would be ragged from march and battle. I wouldn't call them respectable...

[Lunas Legion]

You haven't earned their respect though. They weren't prepared for battle, so as far as they're concerned, you're a backstabbing coward because of the sneak attack and a slaver to boot because of the vassalage offer.

[Vulnier]

From archery and the plus 3 came from my speciality

Okay, so basically a no thrills 2 strength archer, lets keep it separate from your speciality, just in case someone wants to copy it.
Also, the invention price is always 2 thougth and has to be payed only once.

If you want the unit to be maintenance-free, it will have to be weaker, much weaker, 1 Strength and there can be no more then 3 of them in a domain at any time or else you'll have to feed them all!

I messed up on specilty, its actually plus 2 strength. Will this affect anything?

[ApplePieistan]

You haven't earned their respect though. They weren't prepared for battle, so as far as they're concerned, you're a backstabbing coward because of the sneak attack and a slaver to boot because of the vassalage offer.

Well, I guess I better kill all of your guys that heard the vassalage offer, which is the nine leaders. They still know we're tough by the way we crossed the river and entered your domain to get to you.

[Lunas Legion]

You haven't earned their respect though. They weren't prepared for battle, so as far as they're concerned, you're a backstabbing coward because of the sneak attack and a slaver to boot because of the vassalage offer.

Well, I guess I better kill all of your guys that heard the vassalage offer, which is the nine leaders. They still know we're tough by the way we crossed the river and entered your domain to get to you.

Well done, you crossed a river. That proves nothing.

And killing the Nine on Earth will probably piss them off because killing the spiritual and actual leaders of a nation never backfires.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Depends. I think the risk of revolution is quite high, especially given the size of the pop and the fact that you're occupying with the weakest unit in existence.

But they won't rebel if they respect my troops. It'd be out of character.

From the standpoint of mechanics, again, you're occupying a restive realm with literally the smallest amount of force that is possible. I'd be very surprised if you didn't see rebels or difficulties.

[ApplePieistan]

Well, I guess I better kill all of your guys that heard the vassalage offer, which is the nine leaders. They still know we're tough by the way we crossed the river and entered your domain to get to you.

Well done, you crossed a river. That proves nothing.

And killing the Nine on Earth will probably piss them off because killing the spiritual and actual leaders of a nation never backfires.

It proves we have 2 strength, twice as strong as the average militia. Also, how exactly was everyone united forcibly without making them say the whole "a slave obeys" thing?

[The Flame Dawn]

Well done, you crossed a river. That proves nothing.

And killing the Nine on Earth will probably piss them off because killing the spiritual and actual leaders of a nation never backfires.

It proves we have 2 strength, twice as strong as the average militia. Also, how exactly was everyone united forcibly without making them say the whole "a slave obeys" thing?

How about you just accept the fact you're in a militarily awkward position right now and stop claiming you automatically win.

[G-Tech Corporation]

It proves we have 2 strength, twice as strong as the average militia. Also, how exactly was everyone united forcibly without making them say the whole "a slave obeys" thing?

How about you just accept the fact you're in a militarily awkward position right now and stop claiming you automatically win.

To be fair, he does win.

The question is what that victory means.

Starvation alone will get you serious rebels. I wonder what an outright revolt causes? Sudden 6-stack of Militia?

[The Flame Dawn]

How about you just accept the fact you're in a militarily awkward position right now and stop claiming you automatically win.

To be fair, he does win.

The question is what that victory means.

Starvation alone will get you serious rebels. I wonder what an outright revolt causes? Sudden 6-stack of Militia?

That's what I ment...

Just because you capture the land doesn't mean you have it under full control, nor will it mean they respect you. If you beat them in an equally matched fight then it would be worth respect...

[New Strausberg]

To be fair, he does win.

The question is what that victory means.

Starvation alone will get you serious rebels. I wonder what an outright revolt causes? Sudden 6-stack of Militia?

That's what I ment...

Just because you capture the land doesn't mean you have it under full control, nor will it mean they respect you. If you beat them in an equally matched fight then it would be worth respect...

Yea Apple just expanded two fast and it's about to bite him hard so let's watch the chaos. What realm is Apple controlling again?

[ApplePieistan]

How about you just accept the fact you're in a militarily awkward position right now and stop claiming you automatically win.

To be fair, he does win.

The question is what that victory means.

Starvation alone will get you serious rebels. I wonder what an outright revolt causes? Sudden 6-stack of Militia?

Well realistically EVERYONE isn't going to rebel, I'm still meeting all their needs, and the best they'd have is improvised weapons, so how bad could it be?

[New Strausberg]

To be fair, he does win.

The question is what that victory means.

Starvation alone will get you serious rebels. I wonder what an outright revolt causes? Sudden 6-stack of Militia?

Well realistically EVERYONE isn't going to rebel, I'm still meeting all their needs, and the best they'd have is improvised weapons, so how bad could it be?

Well actually it would be bad your overpopulated now and they can choose to refuse working for you. Now your having to feed all these people and it's gonna affect you, your gonna face an open rebellion as per the game rules next turn so good luck with that.

[G-Tech Corporation]

To be fair, he does win.

The question is what that victory means.

Starvation alone will get you serious rebels. I wonder what an outright revolt causes? Sudden 6-stack of Militia?

Well realistically EVERYONE isn't going to rebel, I'm still meeting all their needs, and the best they'd have is improvised weapons, so how bad could it be?

Probably not too bad. Conquering someone this early is gutsy, so it shouldn't be punished, but at the same time "some guys with improvised weapons" is exactly what your militia are too....

[Lunas Legion]

Well done, you crossed a river. That proves nothing.

And killing the Nine on Earth will probably piss them off because killing the spiritual and actual leaders of a nation never backfires.

It proves we have 2 strength, twice as strong as the average militia. Also, how exactly was everyone united forcibly without making them say the whole "a slave obeys" thing?

It's the whole judgement of orders thing. People can be ordered, but they'll only follow the order if they agree with the order of their own accord. Otherwise they'll do whatever the hell they want.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh, by the way Flame Dawn, I responded to you- edited it into the end of my other post, so you might have missed it.

[Harkback Union]

I was seriously wrong about the rules, but it doesn't change anything. For future reference

Difference in strength of 2 sides only determines how much strength worth of units the side with less strength loses...

The 2 sides strength is compared. The civilization with the lower strength loses units in strength value equal to the strength difference while the winner loses units in strength value equal to 50% of the strength the defeated civilization loses, but before the effects take place, We also take account for unit abilities.

If you have less strength and have 2 4 strength units and the difference between strengths is 5, you lose both units.

Your opponent then has to lose 4 strength worth of units because you lost 8. You always choose which units you lose. You must always lose enough to pay off the strength lost.

[Harkback Union]

Erm, I would like to ask everyone to to post the domains they colonized on the map thread so I can add them.

[ApplePieistan]

How much stored food and wealth does Skyshard have?

[G-Tech Corporation]

How much stored food and wealth does Skyshard have?

Looks like one Wealth.

[ApplePieistan]

How much stored food and wealth does Skyshard have?

Looks like one Wealth.

But he has sailing, which gives him more wealth every epoch.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Looks like one Wealth.

But he has sailing, which gives him more wealth every epoch.

Only after he builds his Port, which he won't build until Epoch 10.

[Harkback Union]

All right everyone, I'll put up an important poll.

There will be 2 options to choose from:

A: Civs negotiate their own structures/religion/units and whatnot with me.
B: I put up structures, units and religion bonus choices for everyone to pick.

If we choose A, then I'll need everyone to put the stuff we negotiated into the unit/structure/religion list, link in the OP. I'll also need everyone not to override my judgement on their suggested stuff. Arguing with me is fine, but don't ever build anything I never approved of.

[Lunas Legion]

But he has sailing, which gives him more wealth every epoch.

Only after he builds his Port, which he won't build until Epoch 10.

I get 1 wealth from my river maze after I get sailing. If we're talking epoch 9, then I should have 4 wealth (1 starting, plus 3 from river maze since I finished sailing in epoch 5).

Not that you'd be getting any of it, since we'd throw it into the river maze.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

Oh they are researched at half rate. I will fix that.