World of Conquest (1815 Alt Hist; Open, OOC)

[Pimps Inc]

Well since the Americans somehow have hundreds of third rates and dozens of first and second rates, and somehow implies that they're a "first rate economy" even without many international allies......

[The Manticoran Empire]

Well since the Americans somehow have hundreds of third rates and dozens of first and second rates, and somehow implies that they're a "first rate economy" even without many international allies......

After 30 years, yes, we do have a strong navy and economy. Don't pretend it's impossible. You, the one who insists it is so easy to build railroads in jungles.

[Evenia]

She has thirty years to finance this. Dont forget that. And this post will make sense when I post my next one.

[Pimps Inc]

Well since the Americans somehow have hundreds of third rates and dozens of first and second rates, and somehow implies that they're a "first rate economy" even without many international allies......

After 30 years, yes, we do have a strong navy and economy. Don't pretend it's impossible. You, the one who insists it is so easy to build railroads in jungles.

With access to both oceans, allies on each ocean, a Gold Rush alongside already strong mining sector which includes Mexico being the biggest exporter and producer of silver in the world(RL fact), having power over Spanish gold which was the world currency at the time ,more fertile land, immigration, and a railroad in a jungle which was built at the time of the time skip in real life.

[The Blazing Aura]

Royal Palace- Madrid, Spain, Iberian Alignment
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"Presenting, their Imperial Magestys, Emperor Aden Cordier of Portugal, and Empress Katherine of Aragon. Presenting Mary Tudor, Crowned Princess of the Iberian Allignment. Presenting Prince Jordan Cordier, Prince of Lisbon. The Imperial Family of the Iberian Allignment!" the court in Madrid clapped and shouted their approval of the family.

Katherine was an Queen in her own right. And Aden was a King in his own. But together, they formed an Empire. Spain and Portugal were together now. And the nation safe. The throne of Morocco was added to their list of titles. As well as the Protector of the Gibraltar Straight.

Gibraltar
The Iberian flag was raised over the fort and the canons presed up to the walls. A new line of fortifications was being prepared for the Straights. And plans across the other side for the construction of a grand-fortress with canons, mortars, and experimental rockets.

20 new frigates were entering construction at the shipyards. And 7 new ships-of the line.

Barcelona
The shipyards were full as 12 new frigates entered construction. 3 first-rates joined the construction line as well.

By the end of the naval build-up, 150 new ships would enter the southern fleets command.

Morocco
Mines for iron ore and coal were being planned and some being built. Zinc mines were also opening.

Does Tag have the economy for this? I'm fairly certain that they can't build 150 new ships and aren't building that many, because they simply mentioned, at most, 42.

Depends on the size of the ship. Sloops and that size? Yeah, anything above a Fourth Rate? Only if they're willing to spend the next two centuries on that order. Don't forget you can't instantly build a ship it takes at least 5-10 years from the laying out of the hull to it being ship shape and ready to go.

Well since the Americans somehow have hundreds of third rates and dozens of first and second rates, and somehow implies that they're a "first rate economy" even without many international allies......

After 30 years, yes, we do have a strong navy and economy. Don't pretend it's impossible. You, the one who insists it is so easy to build railroads in jungles.

30 Years even with the best economy in the world doesn't mean you can have dozens of first rates, the 70 odd Third Rates I had as the Anglo-Kalmar Alliance came from over 50 years of building with a larger number of shipyards than you own. You don't have the naval capacity nor the time to complete an order of that size alone, maybe in an alliance with two or three other nations, but there is no way you can have dozens (note the plural) completed in 30 years as the USA in its current state. I'd say maybe 30 ships of the line max, and remember all the ships you're creating now (this is the same for everyone), or indeed all the ships you're creating through the time skip will all be fairly standard ships of the line, you won't have ironclads yet so you're essentially putting a load of money into ships that maybe have five years of use in them? Not worth it by any real means.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Does Tag have the economy for this? I'm fairly certain that they can't build 150 new ships and aren't building that many, because they simply mentioned, at most, 42.

Depends on the size of the ship. Sloops and that size? Yeah, anything above a Fourth Rate? Only if they're willing to spend the next two centuries on that order. Don't forget you can't instantly build a ship it takes at least 5-10 years from the laying out of the hull to it being ship shape and ready to go.

After 30 years, yes, we do have a strong navy and economy. Don't pretend it's impossible. You, the one who insists it is so easy to build railroads in jungles.

30 Years even with the best economy in the world doesn't mean you can have dozens of first rates, the 70 odd Third Rates I had as the Anglo-Kalmar Alliance came from over 50 years of building with a larger number of shipyards than you own. You don't have the naval capacity nor the time to complete an order of that size alone, maybe in an alliance with two or three other nations, but there is no way you can have dozens (note the plural) completed in 30 years as the USA in its current state. I'd say maybe 30 ships of the line max, and remember all the ships you're creating now (this is the same for everyone), or indeed all the ships you're creating through the time skip will all be fairly standard ships of the line, you won't have ironclads yet so you're essentially putting a load of money into ships that maybe have five years of use in them? Not worth it by any real means.

It is actually not hard to build a ship. You overestimate the difficulty. It would take a long time if I had one shipyard. I have at least ten and they each can build multiple ships at a time. Again, building ships is easy.

These are the cities that have civilian yards: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Mobile, Alabama; Cleveland, Ohio; Lorain, Ohio; Brooklyn, New York; Westwego, Louisiana; Norfolk, Virginia; Quincy, Massachusetts; Squantum, Massachusetts; Sparrows Point, Maryland; Wilmington, Delaware; Lockport, Louisiana; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; Jennings, Louisiana; Salisbury, Maryland; Chester, Pennsylvania; Medford, Massachusetts; Bay City, Michigan; Charleston, South Carolina; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Erie, Pennsylvania; Newark, New Jersey; Bath, Maine; Groton, Connecticut; Quonset Point, Rhode Island; Neponset, Massachusetts; Chickasaw, Alabama; City Island, New York; Pascagoula, Mississippi; Long Island, New York; Jeffersonville, Indiana; Camden, New Jersey; Baltimore, Maryland; Roger's City, Michigan; South Portland, Maine; Newport News, Virginia; Jacksonville, Florida; Larose, Louisiana; Tampa, Florida; Richmond, Maine; Ipswich, Massachusetts; New York City, New York
The larger ones, like New York, Newport News, Charleston, Norfolk, Brooklyn, and Baltimore, have several shipbuilding companies. I can easily outsource the production of smaller ships to these yards.

These are the military yards: Boston Navy Yard, Massachusetts; Brooklyn Navy Yard, New York; Charleston Naval Shipyard, South Carolina; Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Virginia; Philadelphia Naval Shipyard, Pennsylvania; Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Maine; Curtis Bay Naval Shipyard, Maryland
The military yards are more than capable of building two, three, four, or even five ships at a time. Boston, Brooklyn, Norfolk, and Charleston are more than capable of the simultaneous production of multiple ships of the line.

You also forget the plethora of fine trees that make up much of my northern states. The wood is cheap, meaning the ships are cheaper than yours. The rails added in the 1830s would only make it cheaper and easier to build. Building a ship is not hard. At all. Especially not in New England.

[Pimps Inc]

A lot of the cities of those ports don't have a serious population until later in the century.
Which brings me to....
30 million population in 1855, without having the real world US boundaries?

[Era the Mind]

Well since the Americans somehow have hundreds of third rates and dozens of first and second rates, and somehow implies that they're a "first rate economy" even without many international allies......

If the Americans have this many ships, then I get to have hundreds of third rates, and dozens of first and second rates. I was being reasonable. I have an economy that is ridiculously powerful, and have reason to have a larger navy, while Spain doesn't. Therefore, I'm upping the amount of ships I have for the next RP if you guys are just going to wank things.

Remember, that Pimps is a Co-OP, and what he says goes.

[The Manticoran Empire]

A lot of the cities of those ports don't have a serious population until later in the century.
Which brings me to....
30 million population in 1855, without having the real world US boundaries?

Dude, AH. Chillax. You didn't even exist in 1855.

[Era the Mind]

TBA had the most powerful navy force in the game. It made be scared OOCly >_> I seriously don't think that Spain would be capable of pulling this off. We have to enforce what has happened before, to make things fair, and this isn't fair.

A lot of the cities of those ports don't have a serious population until later in the century.
Which brings me to....
30 million population in 1855, without having the real world US boundaries?

Dude, AH. Chillax. You didn't even exist in 1855.

My nation ceased existence over a century ago, and now they have an amount of territory that allows me to reach anywhere in the world I want, and are now allies with the Russians who took their territory IRL. Not just allies, they are part of a union. >_> Don't even use this, because, to be honest, neither did your version of the United States. This is an AH; nations that didn't exist in this time frame will exist.

[Era the Mind]

TBA had the most powerful navy force in the game. It made be scared OOCly >_> I seriously don't think that Spain would be capable of pulling this off. We have to enforce what has happened before, to make things fair, and this isn't fair.

Dude, AH. Chillax. You didn't even exist in 1855.

My nation ceased existence over a century ago, and now they have an amount of territory that allows me to reach anywhere in the world I want, and are now allies with the Russians who took their territory IRL. Not just allies, they are part of a union. >_> Don't even use this, because, to be honest, neither did your version of the United States. This is an AH; nations that didn't exist in this time frame will exist.

AH also doesn't allow you to suddenly make people appear. Real world populations are followed.

[Pimps Inc]

A lot of the cities of those ports don't have a serious population until later in the century.
Which brings me to....
30 million population in 1855, without having the real world US boundaries?

Dude, AH. Chillax. You didn't even exist in 1855.

AH is "What if this happened instead of that?" Or "That side won instead of this one"
And the thing is the US barely even got close to 30 million in 1855 when they controlled 3 million square miles of North America. I don't think a lot of people are immigrating there.
And the Mexican Empire was revived in 1860.

[The Manticoran Empire]

TBA had the most powerful navy force in the game. It made be scared OOCly >_> I seriously don't think that Spain would be capable of pulling this off. We have to enforce what has happened before, to make things fair, and this isn't fair.

Dude, AH. Chillax. You didn't even exist in 1855.

My nation ceased existence over a century ago, and now they have an amount of territory that allows me to reach anywhere in the world I want, and are now allies with the Russians who took their territory IRL. Not just allies, they are part of a union. >_> Don't even use this, because, to be honest, neither did your version of the United States. This is an AH; nations that didn't exist in this time frame will exist.

Tag had a population of 17.5 million. That was the US population in 1840. In order for me to have a realistic population, there would have to be an equal number of births and deaths. Which in and of itself is not realistic.

[Era the Mind]

TBA had the most powerful navy force in the game. It made be scared OOCly >_> I seriously don't think that Spain would be capable of pulling this off. We have to enforce what has happened before, to make things fair, and this isn't fair.



My nation ceased existence over a century ago, and now they have an amount of territory that allows me to reach anywhere in the world I want, and are now allies with the Russians who took their territory IRL. Not just allies, they are part of a union. >_> Don't even use this, because, to be honest, neither did your version of the United States. This is an AH; nations that didn't exist in this time frame will exist.

Tag had a population of 17.5 million. That was the US population in 1840. In order for me to have a realistic population, there would have to be an equal number of births and deaths. Which in and of itself is not realistic.

... Are you saying that you can't have the real world population because it's unrealistic, and because you think that a realistic population has an equal number of births and deaths?

You're making me want to laugh my ass off, and then leave the RP because you, and a few others, are like a plague. Sure, Pimps has issues, but now you're just being ridiculous.

[Pimps Inc]

Tag has about the same population in 1815 as Mexico, 8.3 million
It's on the OP, now, a few slaves also left for Mexico.
Fertility and infant mortality play great roles in this. Development of this US in terms of medicine is up to you, though with you wasting millions on your navy, public healthcare probably isn't great. Tensions between the natives and whites also probably have lead to strife, war, and death.

Era, please, don't get too hostile.

[Era the Mind]

Tag has about the same population in 1815 as Mexico, 8.3 million
It's on the OP, now, a few slaves also left for Mexico.
Fertility and infant mortality play great roles in this. Development of this US in terms of medicine is up to you, though with you wasting millions on your navy, public healthcare probably isn't great. Tensions between the natives and whites also probably have lead to strife, war, and death.

Era, please, don't get too hostile.

I'm not being hostile. You should see the posts where I've been hostile :/ Seriously, if you think that's hostility then you haven't seen my hostility. I was being honest, and truthful. I'm thinking about leaving the roleplay due to the actions of a few. I held back in that post ^_^ If you want to do your Co-OP duties, don't get onto a person just because they are fed up with the arguing and crap pulled by everyone else. I've been ripped off in this RP, and seen other people be ripped off, I've seen lies, ridiculousness, and general stupidity. This roleplay is no longer any fun, because you guys keep on holding it up, and arguing for hours. It's leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

[Pimps Inc]

Sighs
Thank god the new OCC is soon.

[New Rnclave]

Tag has about the same population in 1815 as Mexico, 8.3 million
It's on the OP, now, a few slaves also left for Mexico.
Fertility and infant mortality play great roles in this. Development of this US in terms of medicine is up to you, though with you wasting millions on your navy, public healthcare probably isn't great. Tensions between the natives and whites also probably have lead to strife, war, and death.

Era, please, don't get too hostile.

I'm not being hostile. You should see the posts where I've been hostile :/ Seriously, if you think that's hostility then you haven't seen my hostility. I was being honest, and truthful. I'm thinking about leaving the roleplay due to the actions of a few. I held back in that post ^_^ If you want to do your Co-OP duties, don't get onto a person just because they are fed up with the arguing and crap pulled by everyone else. I've been ripped off in this RP, and seen other people be ripped off, I've seen lies, ridiculousness, and general stupidity. This roleplay is no longer any fun, because you guys keep on holding it up, and arguing for hours. It's leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

And you didn't do the same to Sanabel? Bad taste or not, you aren't innocent.

[Era the Mind]

I'm also recommending that people stick to smaller nations from here out. Too many large nations is unlikely. There are always smaller nations, and maybe someone wants to play Germany ^_^ I'm fine with a Germany, and a Turkey, and everything in between, but having the rest of the white territory in Europe taken up by the Italians would just be silly in an era where the only major colonial powers are the nations who were unlikely to be colonial powers :/

[Pimps Inc]

Also, I don't see too much of a problem with Tags frigates except she shouldn't expect for them to begin construction immediately, since it's been only a few years since Spain lost her colonies. In 1820 or so she can probably begin constructing them, and as long as the ships-of-the-line aren't mostly first and second rates, it's okay numbers for a European nation with control of Gibraltar.

[Era the Mind]

In addition, you guys aren't leaving enough room for other roleplayers with gigantic nations. I'm willing to give up territory to certain people, as long as they go about it right and don't just steal it from me by getting an OP to approve their application, and thus subverting the rules like they usually do. I am even willing to restructure the Federation so that multiple states can roleplay in the same federalized nation. I don't think that it's good taste to have everyone have gargantuan swaths of territory.

Also, I don't see too much of a problem with Tags frigates except she shouldn't expect for them to begin construction immediately, since it's been only a few years since Spain lost her colonies. In 1820 or so she can probably begin constructing them, and as long as the ships-of-the-line aren't mostly first and second rates, it's okay numbers for a European nation with control of Gibraltar.

... She can't have so many fucking ships. It's not okay numbers, and I've blocked Tag for a reason. Everyone has agreed that having hundreds upon hundreds of ships built by Spain in less than 50 years is laughable.

I'm not being hostile. You should see the posts where I've been hostile :/ Seriously, if you think that's hostility then you haven't seen my hostility. I was being honest, and truthful. I'm thinking about leaving the roleplay due to the actions of a few. I held back in that post ^_^ If you want to do your Co-OP duties, don't get onto a person just because they are fed up with the arguing and crap pulled by everyone else. I've been ripped off in this RP, and seen other people be ripped off, I've seen lies, ridiculousness, and general stupidity. This roleplay is no longer any fun, because you guys keep on holding it up, and arguing for hours. It's leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

And you didn't do the same to Sanabel? Bad taste or not, you aren't innocent.

How does this matter? Do you want to start another conflict? I didn't say I was innocent, I'm just getting tired of this shit. Besides, Sanabel isn't in this roleplay (and Sanabel is far less innocent than me, as I've already exposed).

[Era the Mind]

Does Tag have the economy for this? I'm fairly certain that they can't build 150 new ships and aren't building that many, because they simply mentioned, at most, 42.

Depends on the size of the ship. Sloops and that size? Yeah, anything above a Fourth Rate? Only if they're willing to spend the next two centuries on that order. Don't forget you can't instantly build a ship it takes at least 5-10 years from the laying out of the hull to it being ship shape and ready to go.

After 30 years, yes, we do have a strong navy and economy. Don't pretend it's impossible. You, the one who insists it is so easy to build railroads in jungles.

30 Years even with the best economy in the world doesn't mean you can have dozens of first rates, the 70 odd Third Rates I had as the Anglo-Kalmar Alliance came from over 50 years of building with a larger number of shipyards than you own. You don't have the naval capacity nor the time to complete an order of that size alone, maybe in an alliance with two or three other nations, but there is no way you can have dozens (note the plural) completed in 30 years as the USA in its current state. I'd say maybe 30 ships of the line max, and remember all the ships you're creating now (this is the same for everyone), or indeed all the ships you're creating through the time skip will all be fairly standard ships of the line, you won't have ironclads yet so you're essentially putting a load of money into ships that maybe have five years of use in them? Not worth it by any real means.

This is a post by an experienced writer and roleplayer, who RP'ed the foremost naval power. TBA has more knowledge about this than anyone, and she says that this is impossible. Therefore, as far as I'm settled since I've had Taganian blocked for quite a while, the issue is settled.

And, to be honest, I could block Gibraltar with my control of the region, and seize Morocco. I gave Morocco away because it was stolen, and somehow, despite the rules and conventions of roleplayers, this was allowed. I'm playing fair. if you want me to play realistically based off of what I control, then I should have hundreds of ships as well.

[Pimps Inc]

It's 20 frigates and 10 ships of the line.
Not exactly hundreds.
She'd have to sell her older ships, but she can do it.
Or have them built in foreign shipyards.
Speaking of selling ships, @Tayner would you like to buy some of my old razeed ships of the line?
Better than anything you have.

[Era the Mind]

It's 20 frigates and 10 ships of the line.
Not exactly hundreds.
She'd have to sell her older ships, but she can do it.
Or have them built in foreign shipyards.
Speaking of selling ships, @Tayner would you like to buy some of my old razeed ships of the line?
Better than anything you have.

Royal Palace- Madrid, Spain, Iberian Alignment
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"Presenting, their Imperial Magestys, Emperor Aden Cordier of Portugal, and Empress Katherine of Aragon. Presenting Mary Tudor, Crowned Princess of the Iberian Allignment. Presenting Prince Jordan Cordier, Prince of Lisbon. The Imperial Family of the Iberian Allignment!" the court in Madrid clapped and shouted their approval of the family.

Katherine was an Queen in her own right. And Aden was a King in his own. But together, they formed an Empire. Spain and Portugal were together now. And the nation safe. The throne of Morocco was added to their list of titles. As well as the Protector of the Gibraltar Straight.

Gibraltar
The Iberian flag was raised over the fort and the canons presed up to the walls. A new line of fortifications was being prepared for the Straights. And plans across the other side for the construction of a grand-fortress with canons, mortars, and experimental rockets.

20 new frigates were entering construction at the shipyards. And 7 new ships-of the line.

Barcelona
The shipyards were full as 12 new frigates entered construction. 3 first-rates joined the construction line as well.

By the end of the naval build-up, 150 new ships would enter the southern fleets command.

Morocco
Mines for iron ore and coal were being planned and some being built. Zinc mines were also opening.

Hundreds, yes. I meant it.

[New Rnclave]

In addition, you guys aren't leaving enough room for other roleplayers with gigantic nations. I'm willing to give up territory to certain people, as long as they go about it right and don't just steal it from me by getting an OP to approve their application, and thus subverting the rules like they usually do. I am even willing to restructure the Federation so that multiple states can roleplay in the same federalized nation. I don't think that it's good taste to have everyone have gargantuan swaths of territory.

Also, I don't see too much of a problem with Tags frigates except she shouldn't expect for them to begin construction immediately, since it's been only a few years since Spain lost her colonies. In 1820 or so she can probably begin constructing them, and as long as the ships-of-the-line aren't mostly first and second rates, it's okay numbers for a European nation with control of Gibraltar.

... She can't have so many fucking ships. It's not okay numbers, and I've blocked Tag for a reason. Everyone has agreed that having hundreds upon hundreds of ships built by Spain in less than 50 years is laughable.

And you didn't do the same to Sanabel? Bad taste or not, you aren't innocent.

How does this matter? Do you want to start another conflict? I didn't say I was innocent, I'm just getting tired of this shit. Besides, Sanabel isn't in this roleplay (and Sanabel is far less innocent than me, as I've already exposed).

Because you constantly complain about fighting Era.