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by Evenia » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:37 pm
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:38 pm
Tayner wrote:The Manticoran Empire wrote:To get to Michigan you have to go through Wisconsin or Illinois. Militia will not let you have it peacefully. Expect Lexington and Concord type battles in multiple locations against armed citizens who don't like being messed with.
Actually, I said it backwards. I was planning on getting 1/4is of northwestern Wisconsin and parts of Michigan that are on Lake Superior via naval transport.Pimps Inc wrote:You said you'd take advantage of the chaos to take land. You will have to add to that chaos by taking it yourself, by opening another front.
Trade deal will be included in next post, which will take place inside Imperium territory since Tag has kept posting on army movements without allowing me to respond.
I'll take the land after the Imperuim falls, I'm not opening another front before the war is over because 1) I don't have a real army to do so, and 2) The Imperuim's fall is imminent. If you have a problem with me capitalizing on the chaos by taking lands you would never get to before the Imperuim got its ducks in line, I could always recede my trade offer and secretly help the Imperuim.
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:38 pm
Evenia wrote:Not nessecarily. Their is to many blunders that can happen. To many unknowns. France should have lost to the Alliance during its own Revolution (Britain, Spain, Austria, and Prussia) were eating away at France. And then France won the war.
by Tayner » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:40 pm
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Tayner wrote:Actually, I said it backwards. I was planning on getting 1/4is of northwestern Wisconsin and parts of Michigan that are on Lake Superior via naval transport.
I'll take the land after the Imperuim falls, I'm not opening another front before the war is over because 1) I don't have a real army to do so, and 2) The Imperuim's fall is imminent. If you have a problem with me capitalizing on the chaos by taking lands you would never get to before the Imperuim got its ducks in line, I could always recede my trade offer and secretly help the Imperuim.
Fact remains that neither spot will go without a fight and since you think the war is drawing to a close, that means that every day you spend fighting militia ambushes is another day allowing trained and experienced Federal troops to get into a position to threaten your lines of supply.
by Evenia » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:41 pm
by Pimps Inc » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:47 pm
Tayner wrote:The Manticoran Empire wrote:Fact remains that neither spot will go without a fight and since you think the war is drawing to a close, that means that every day you spend fighting militia ambushes is another day allowing trained and experienced Federal troops to get into a position to threaten your lines of supply.
I'm not currently fighting though, I'm training an actual army of 4,500 to get ready to strike at the opportune moment and forming a small fleet to support my land advancements and act as a naval supply line.
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2024: The Long Peace - United Mexican States
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:48 pm
Tayner wrote:The Manticoran Empire wrote:Fact remains that neither spot will go without a fight and since you think the war is drawing to a close, that means that every day you spend fighting militia ambushes is another day allowing trained and experienced Federal troops to get into a position to threaten your lines of supply.
I'm not currently fighting though, I'm training an actual army of 4,500 to get ready to strike at the opportune moment and forming a small fleet to support my land advancements and act as a naval supply line.
by The Blazing Aura » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:49 pm
Evenia wrote:Rl history. The French Revolution
France was at war with Austria (Marie Antonettes home country), Prussia, Austrias ally, and then Great Britain (who always hates France) and Spain, who was jsut trigger happy, were all eating away at French territory as France was weak and could not stop them... but France ended up stopping the entire assault. And then pressing the alliance out of France.
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:51 pm
The Blazing Aura wrote:Evenia wrote:Rl history. The French Revolution
France was at war with Austria (Marie Antonettes home country), Prussia, Austrias ally, and then Great Britain (who always hates France) and Spain, who was jsut trigger happy, were all eating away at French territory as France was weak and could not stop them... but France ended up stopping the entire assault. And then pressing the alliance out of France.
And then the alliance hit back and eventually Waterloo happened.
Got to get an early night tonight guys, so this'll be my last post for now. I'll leave you with the newest map http://s22.postimg.org/5h2l3vq1t/World_of_Conquest_Map_16c.png and hopefully I'll have a new OOC up by tomorrow. Try not to wreck this one whilst I'm gone.
Taganian, I'll get a post up on my troops progress in American tomorrow, be reasonable with your troops movements around that area until then.
Era please behave
Evenia, Pimps, Lenciland I leave this to you three for now.
by The Eastern Antarctic State » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:59 pm
by Tayner » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:00 pm
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Tayner wrote:I'm not currently fighting though, I'm training an actual army of 4,500 to get ready to strike at the opportune moment and forming a small fleet to support my land advancements and act as a naval supply line.
I understand that. However, 4,500 men is brigade sized force. They will require much food stuffs and what can't be brought by ship will need to be purchased or stolen from the local inhabitants. Your troops would be viewed as an invading army, so don't expect many merchants to be willing to sell to you. Militia are more or less every male of between 12 and 50, roughly 20,000 for both Michigan and Wisconsin (Massachusetts boasted 17,000 at the start of the American War for Independence.) That is roughly 5 times larger than you have to take both regions. Spread out among the towns and villages, your troops will likely be spread thin trying to protect supply lines and secure objectives. And eventually Federal troops, battle hardened from war with Mexico, will arrive to retake Wisconsin, which will cut your troops in Michigan off from men, munitions, and other supplies. This is not chess. This is more like Risk (a board game I played when I was younger).
by The Eastern Antarctic State » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:01 pm
by Era the Mind » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:43 pm
by Era the Mind » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:32 pm
Era the Mind wrote:Basic Information
NS Name: Era the Mind
Nation Name: The New Federation of Poland
Nation Claims: Poland, Lithuania, Berlin, Latvia, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Northern half of the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Kaliningrad, Pskov, Leningrad (Including St Petersburg), Novgorod, Yaroslavl, Moscow (including Moscow),Tula, Lipetsk, Voronezh, Belgorod, Kursk, Oryol, Bryansk, Kaluga, Smolensk and Tver Oblasts,Everything West of (and including Vologda) of the Vologda Oblast. (That's just Europe), Morocco (apart from the Tanger-Tetouan-Al Hoceima region, which is under Alliance control), South Western Algeria, Western Sahara, Mauritania, Mali (except anything east of Gao), Guinea, Sierra Leone, Eastern Senegal and then the Gujurat, Rajasthan, Haryana, Punjab, Uttarakhand, Chandigarh, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu, Kasmir, Uttar Pradesh & that little territory above it, Madhya Pradesh, Ohhatishgarh, Orissa, Bihar, Nepal, Jharkhand, West Bengal, Bangladesh, Sikkim (I think that’s what it’s called)), Bhutan, Nagaland, Tripura, Mizoram, Manipur, Assam, and the Arunachal Pradesh regions of India.
Seat of Power: Poland
Primary Capitol: Warsaw
American Citadel: None, currently
African Citadel: Cape Verde
Asian Citadel: New Delhi
Demonyms: (The) Poles, (The) Polish, The Federation, various other demonyms for nations & peoples within the Federation
Nation Leader: Matriarch Elizabeth von Hart
Nation Leader Description (History and physically): Elizabeth von Hart is a gorgeous blonde woman that has held the title of Matriarch since her inception at the age of 13 with the mysterious death of her mother, and father, which cleared the path for both a new patriarch and matriarch. Elizabeth von Hart is aged 32, and her vivid, piercing, and intelligent blue eyes gaze over the nation often while leading vigilantly. She stands unopposed, and holds a court of loyal, but brave advisors and heads of various departments of the state; each of these men and women are devoted to what is best for the state, but their healthy fear of, and respect for, Elizabeth von Hart and what she has done for their nation keep them from ousting her as Matriarch.
Previous Nation Leader and Description (If recently changed): Not recently
Form of Rule: Hybrid federation under direct, administrative, monarchal rule of Polish-Lithuanian state
Population: 12 million in Polish-Lithuania, 32.4 million in Mainland Nations (Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Slovakia, Berlin), 8 million in Colonized Outposts (Western Sahara, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Mali, Libya), 120 million in India (Beginner Indian Territories, Absorbed Indian Kingdom); total of 172 million
Military Information
Military Population (no more than 5% in times of peace): 3.4 million (2 million in reserve, the academy, or short of giving up conscriptions, due to recently ended war efforts.); 5 million from Indian part of Federation (many of the Indian soldiers aren’t well equipped)
Ships in Service: 55 rated ships (20 in Europe, 20 in Africa, 15 in India) (5 first rates, 10 second rates, 20 third rates, 10 fourth rates, 10 other ships [5th-6th rank]); 25 rated ships from India (0 first rates, 0 second rates, 5 third rates, 10 fifth rates, 10 sixth rates) ((This is actually slightly less than it should be :/ by about 200,000 anyways… so that 200,000 is going in the reserves))
Ships being Built: A fleet of 15 of a new type of ships that are constructed out of ironwood, which happens to be resistant to fire, and with partial constructions of iron. This is a precursor to ironclad ships in Poland. 52 corvettes & slopes-of-war.
Notable Developments: Safer hand tossed grenades, breech-loaded rifles & pistols
Currently Developing: Percussion caps, a variety of other things
Economical Information
Currency: Gold, silver, & copper specie of varying values each, with gold being high in purity, and acting as something to fall back on during times of economic hardship. These coins are known as the Bilon, It is also becoming possible that minerals, such as diamonds and coal, and spices, such as salt will begin to be used as another form of currency for trade. Although legislation has yet to be passed on the use of diamonds, or coal, or spices as official currency, the government has begun an operation where they mark, cut, and weigh a variety of different minerals & materials that would offer the economy a benefit, and thus, in time, there will be pouches specifically made for things such as spices by the government, diamonds cut to specific carats & weights that are approved or disapproved as official currency and placed in a special holder, coal that is organized in bags that are official, and a variety of other things, although those would be the major ones.
It is also notable that there is a very complex trade & barter system, with dynamically impacted prices depending on the region trading occurs in, and the fact that this trade & barter system still sees frequent use when situations such as the following occur: one person has gold, but not cattle to make more gold, and another person has cattle, but not gold. The trade & barter system is one of the most complex on the planet, and is arguably the most complex in history, as prices dynamically change, there are seasons where things are more valuable than usual, and the fact it isn't just used locally but also internationally and in official business. The Polish trade & barter system has been developing in complexity through legislation, rules, economic development, and a wide variety of other things, and acts as an alternative to the use of official currency, but has become so popular in recent years that the Trade & Barter system was made official, despite the fact that it had been used as such for quite an amount of time.
The use of alternative currencies has been popular in Poland-Lithuania since the original commonwealth reformed into the New Federation of Poland underneath the decisive rule of the von Hart clan. It has seen a wide variety of different currencies come and go, but one of the primary currencies used as an alternative aside from the vast Trade & Barter system that has become a mainstay is information, knowledge, and patents. Knowledge is a cornerstone of the Federation, and when patents are traded between states it allows the Polish and their people to gain hold of new technologies, and the economy regarding new technologies.
Natural Resources:
Resources Able to be Harnessed: Diamonds, salt, gold, iron, copper, silver, petroleum, cocoa beans, woods, tropical fruit, coal, manganese, mica, cobalt, copper, bauxite, silver, tropical fruit, limestone, some others (possibly)
Major Exports: Grains (world's largest exporter of grain), Foodstuffs (in the top five of foodstuffs exporters), Cattle, Furs, metals
Minor Exports: Other minerals, industrial materials, chocolate products
Developing Exports: Wine & Alcoholic beverages (building methods to create), advanced technology (building up relationships to export), metals (while this is a major export, it has yet to be fully tapped into, especially in Africa where resources remain either largely untapped or undiscovered)
Major Imports: Fabrics, wine, tea, other beverages, metals
Minor Imports: Various
Are there other Imports/Exporters?: Yes, but only the most important were listed
Other Information
Basic History of Nation: Four decades ago, the Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth came under the power of the highly influential aristocratic merchant clan known as the von Hart. The clan’s extended family gained control over the most coveted positions across both Poland and Lithuania, living in beautiful homes, and having a taste of power not yet seen before in the nation. The parents of Elizabeth von Hart organized a massive restructuring of Poland, that turned the Polish-Lithuan nation into an engine of war capable of not only conquering lands, but manipulating these lands into being loyal to Poland by creating far superior conditions to what they were formerly.
Equality in Poland was a form of manipulation that, after Poland’s first victory of a neighboring Slavic state, ended up being one of the best things that the von Hart family did for Poland. The nation was on a roll after that, and as they consolidated their power, they increased their naval presence and appeared in various areas across Africa. Eight years into the campaign was when Elizabeth von Hart was born, and the nation celebrated the birth of a woman that would come to be known as the Matriarch of Horror.
Fast forward about three decades, and several long campaigns of war against surrounding nations while avoiding more powerful neighbors, and insuring the survival of themselves by strengthening themselves with a weak, and using the von Hart knowledge of the merchant life to create a bustling economy, Elizabeth von Hart took control of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. In her journals she had written of the future of her nation, and to change the course of history she assassinated her parents, and her elder siblings, as well as all of her brothers so that only she would be left to take the throne. Her first act of power was asking the leaders of the Lithuanian side of the Commonwealth to step down.
She succeeded, and after forcing a handful of nations, and dozens of African tribes, into submission, and then improving their livelihood, the Polish people became a force to be reckoned with. Now Elizabeth von Hart had control over much of the world around her, at least within her borders, and while things were unsteady in Africa, it looked as though all would go well if she handled the situation right. Fast forward 3 years, and she was prepared to organize strategic merchant deals to advance the technology of the Polish people, even if it meant that she would have to negotiate with those who were once the closest enemies of the Polish people.
Basic Summery of Current Situation: After massive expansions over the last four decades from the former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and the dissolution of the Lithuanian’s administrative capacity under von Hart’s power, von Hart envisions a world where she consolidates her power, and the power of the New Federation. The gaining of a matriarch, and several future heirs, while focusing on, mostly, on improving military efficiency and technology advancements, sharing technologies, forging a multi-national think tank devoted to advancing these technologies, organizing various peace treaties, and gaining a political hold over Africa, are the primary concerns of of the New Federation of Poland.
Basic Plans for RP: I plan to improve my RP’ing skills in this RP, gain a foothold in how to better RP as a nation (if necessary), and experience new things through this RP. If you want information on what Lithuania please see above.
RP Sample:
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:45 pm
Tayner wrote:The Manticoran Empire wrote:I understand that. However, 4,500 men is brigade sized force. They will require much food stuffs and what can't be brought by ship will need to be purchased or stolen from the local inhabitants. Your troops would be viewed as an invading army, so don't expect many merchants to be willing to sell to you. Militia are more or less every male of between 12 and 50, roughly 20,000 for both Michigan and Wisconsin (Massachusetts boasted 17,000 at the start of the American War for Independence.) That is roughly 5 times larger than you have to take both regions. Spread out among the towns and villages, your troops will likely be spread thin trying to protect supply lines and secure objectives. And eventually Federal troops, battle hardened from war with Mexico, will arrive to retake Wisconsin, which will cut your troops in Michigan off from men, munitions, and other supplies. This is not chess. This is more like Risk (a board game I played when I was younger).
Yeah, I'm not going to steal from those who I annex. Nor will I try to use force with every place I annex. And Federal troops would be too busy dealing with Mexico to deal with little ol' me during the chaos. I could move supplies via ship, then move them from port to my troops too. And I'm sure even if Federal troops come, it won't be more than a battalion either, and just infantry instead of me with Artillery, Calvary, and infantry. You also forget that I could always train and send more troops if I need to.
by Tayner » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:04 pm
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Tayner wrote:Yeah, I'm not going to steal from those who I annex. Nor will I try to use force with every place I annex. And Federal troops would be too busy dealing with Mexico to deal with little ol' me during the chaos. I could move supplies via ship, then move them from port to my troops too. And I'm sure even if Federal troops come, it won't be more than a battalion either, and just infantry instead of me with Artillery, Calvary, and infantry. You also forget that I could always train and send more troops if I need to.
Yeah, however you are ignoring the militia that you will be fighting. Militia know the land and most of them have been handling their rifles longer than many of your soldiers have been alive. Remember, 12-50 years of age, often trained to use their rifles and muskets from the time they are five or six years of age.
by Lenciland » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:59 pm
Pimps Inc wrote:Lenciland wrote:Era, I speak on behalf of myself and Aru, who I'm sure will agree with me, when I say that we of the Pacific Co-Prosperity Pact are against any and all colonization of Asian regions. I'll let him decide what the Pact will do in response, but we are staunchly against any colonization of the Asian territories.
Then don't colonize the Americas.
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:38 pm
Tayner wrote:The Manticoran Empire wrote:Yeah, however you are ignoring the militia that you will be fighting. Militia know the land and most of them have been handling their rifles longer than many of your soldiers have been alive. Remember, 12-50 years of age, often trained to use their rifles and muskets from the time they are five or six years of age.
My guys are under the exact same circumstances. In fact, the only difference between my guys and your guys is that may guys have training, horses, and artillery. Stop trying to say your guys are special because they aren't. They're exactly the same as my guys. The single advantage they have is that they know the land. That's about it.
by Pimps Inc » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:00 pm
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Tayner wrote:My guys are under the exact same circumstances. In fact, the only difference between my guys and your guys is that may guys have training, horses, and artillery. Stop trying to say your guys are special because they aren't. They're exactly the same as my guys. The single advantage they have is that they know the land. That's about it.
And that is all that is needed.
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2024: The Long Peace - United Mexican States
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:05 pm
by Pimps Inc » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:09 pm
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2024: The Long Peace - United Mexican States
by The Manticoran Empire » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:36 am
Pimps Inc wrote:The Manticoran Empire wrote:Yeah, like that will help at all. You realize this is the United States, right? Where there are more guns than people?
A fledgling, recently divided US.
A bunch of muskets can't stand against enough cannons to level a town. Or starve it into submission.
But, why tell you my plans.
See thee in an hour with my next post....
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