1919:Red Tide (OOC/OPEN)

[Sanabel]

I think we could potentially have an anti-colonial movement in Indochina. Minh would not be involved, perhaps it would be Japanese supported. But it wouldn't be communist. This is AH, and with all the successful revolutions in Europe, I think this is possible for the people to be rallied into this. It might be a stretch, but I think if fleshed out it is possible.

I know it isn't on the roster. But it could be.

This makes sense.

Sarcasm? I think it could work.

[Serio]

I think we could potentially have an anti-colonial movement in Indochina. Minh would not be involved, perhaps it would be Japanese supported. But it wouldn't be communist. This is AH, and with all the successful revolutions in Europe, I think this is possible for the people to be rallied into this. It might be a stretch, but I think if fleshed out it is possible.

I know it isn't on the roster. But it could be.

So if I create an Independence movement WITHOUT Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam, possibly supported by the Japanese to instate some sort of government (probably a Monarchy), I MIGHT have a chance to do it?
because I want to take that chance

[Igoria]

This makes sense.

Sarcasm? I think it could work.

Not at all.

[Columbivia]

I'll employ the dregs then.

Time to start looking up famous German Generals!
Meet Erwin Rommel the Arizona Fox

This

[Cabana]

I think we could potentially have an anti-colonial movement in Indochina. Minh would not be involved, perhaps it would be Japanese supported. But it wouldn't be communist. This is AH, and with all the successful revolutions in Europe, I think this is possible for the people to be rallied into this. It might be a stretch, but I think if fleshed out it is possible.

I know it isn't on the roster. But it could be.

So if I create an Independence movement WITHOUT Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam, possibly supported by the Japanese to instate some sort of government (probably a Monarchy), I MIGHT have a chance to do it?
because I want to take that chance

Why not just be a nation on the roster?

[Novsvacro]

On the map, which blob is the Ukrainian People's Republic of Soviets, and which is the Ukrainian Peoples' Republic?

These are things one must know when you lead a band of anarchist semi-bandits.

[Sanabel]

So if I create an Independence movement WITHOUT Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam, possibly supported by the Japanese to instate some sort of government (probably a Monarchy), I MIGHT have a chance to do it?
because I want to take that chance

Why not just be a nation on the roster?

I like the idea. I say he should try it. I understand his issue, sometimes things on the roster just aren't attractive.

[Jade Confederacy]

Oh wow, so poland is basically only the congress of poland? I thought they ate like half of Ukraine to account for that 22 million population. Welp, kiss goodbye to half your army friend, cuz the congress had like 12 million people. Nice map btw, but why is half of China left blank? is it to account for the loss of government control?

[Independent States of Tula]

Oh wow, so poland is basically only the congress of poland? I thought they ate like half of Ukraine to account for that 22 million population. Welp, kiss goodbye to half your army friend, cuz the congress had like 12 million people. Nice map btw, but why is half of China left blank? is it to account for the loss of government control?

What are you talking about?

*Looks at map*

WTF IS THAT SHIT? None of that is accurate for Poland!
And what's with Germany!?! They aren't the Empire any more, they should have the Weimar's borders by this point!

[Columbivia]

Oh wow, so poland is basically only the congress of poland? I thought they ate like half of Ukraine to account for that 22 million population. Welp, kiss goodbye to half your army friend, cuz the congress had like 12 million people. Nice map btw, but why is half of China left blank? is it to account for the loss of government control?

If this was the case for China, Yunnan and Manchuria should be blank not the interior.

[Jade Confederacy]

What are you talking about?

*Looks at map*

WTF IS THAT SHIT? None of that is accurate for Poland!

Well since you dont control the rich and populous areas of Prussian poland, you'll never have the historical population of the country circa 1919. I do believe that you should have areas of White/separatist Ukraine since poland did also try grab land from them after independence.

On another note, heres what the strategic situation is in eastern Europe as far as i can tell.


Red represents Soviet and allies
Blue represent White and separatist
Black represents Polish and intervention forces

Arrows are columns of attack and bars are defensive positions

EDIT: also where communist Hungary?

[Independent States of Tula]

What are you talking about?

*Looks at map*

WTF IS THAT SHIT? None of that is accurate for Poland!

Well since you dont control the rich and populous areas of Prussian poland, you'll never have the historical population of the country circa 1919. I do believe that you should have areas of White/separatist Ukraine since poland did also try grab land from them after independence.

On another note, heres what the strategic situation is in eastern Europe as far as i can tell.


Red represents Soviet and allies
Blue represent White and separatist
Black represents Polish and intervention forces

Arrows are columns of attack and bars are defensive positions

EDIT: also where communist Hungary?

Yeah, the map needs to change before it can even be considered acceptable for the rp, imo. This is a lot of bull.

[Novsvacro]

I agree. I have no fucking clue who I'm fighting and where their territory is.

[Igoria]

What are you talking about?

*Looks at map*

WTF IS THAT SHIT? None of that is accurate for Poland!

Well since you dont control the rich and populous areas of Prussian poland, you'll never have the historical population of the country circa 1919. I do believe that you should have areas of White/separatist Ukraine since poland did also try grab land from them after independence.

On another note, heres what the strategic situation is in eastern Europe as far as i can tell.


Red represents Soviet and allies
Blue represent White and separatist
Black represents Polish and intervention forces

Arrows are columns of attack and bars are defensive positions

EDIT: also where communist Hungary?

Southern flank of Siberian whites should be attacking.

[Jade Confederacy]

I agree. I have no fucking clue who I'm fighting and where their territory is.

I think your the chunk owning Crimea, which is why im not attacking you yet

[Cabana]

Oh wow, so poland is basically only the congress of poland? I thought they ate like half of Ukraine to account for that 22 million population. Welp, kiss goodbye to half your army friend, cuz the congress had like 12 million people. Nice map btw, but why is half of China left blank? is it to account for the loss of government control?

What are you talking about?

*Looks at map*

WTF IS THAT SHIT? None of that is accurate for Poland!
And what's with Germany!?! They aren't the Empire any more, they should have the Weimar's borders by this point!

I'm going with Geacron, Poland did not fight the wars for their territory yet and Germany hasn't performed the various plebiscites.

[Novsvacro]

I agree. I have no fucking clue who I'm fighting and where their territory is.

I think your the chunk owning Crimea, which is why im not attacking you yet

I'm the dark color in eastern Ukraine. The UPRS is in Crimea, and the UPR is the western part.

[Serio]

(i added the new history explaining how my group is still around in this time, just for you Cabana <3)
NS Name: Serio
Group Name: Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi
Territory: The northern mountains around Hanoi
Flag: http://imgur.com/cFrXp5a
Head of Group: Phan Boi Chau
Members: Around 40,000 strong and growing
Ideology: Nationalistic Republicans
History: Phan Boi Chau started his league when he was exiled from his home by the French. He was in China at the time of Sun Yat Sen's revlution where he and other exiles came up with the idea of the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi. Now is the time for action, Vietnam will be free! Peacefully or violently, Phan Boi Chau will free Vietnam and bring a new dawn to Indochina. The Vietnamese republic will add a new chapter to Vietnam's history, out of the turmoil of colonial occupation a new age of order and peace will flourish in Vietnam. (This is why the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi are still around instead of disintegrating) Instead of the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi going their separate ways in 1913 and getting arrested, the branch sent to Hong Kong to build a bomb factory joined with the group heading into Vietnam, with larger numbers in Vietnam the French had a harder time arresting them. With the French on their heels the group aborted any revolutionary acts in Vietnam and instead joined back with Phan Boi Chau in Canton China to rally support. They waited until the French eased off of the search and around 1917 they slowly made their back into Vietnam with some of the newfound Chinese supporters (With no backing from China itself, plans to hold negotiations with China are in the works though) they quickly set to work gathering support in the northern villages to renew their influence in the region.
Goals: To gain independence from France and create a new Vietnamese republic
1337-DO NOT REMOVE

[Cabana]

NS Name: Serio
Group Name: Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi
Territory: The northern mountains around Hanoi
Flag: http://imgur.com/cFrXp5a
Head of Group: Phan Boi Chau
Members: Around 40,000 strong and growing
Ideology: Nationalistic Republicans
History: Phan Boi Chau started his league when he was exiled from his home by the French. He was in China at the time of Sun Yat Sen's revolution where he and other exiles came up with the idea of the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi. Now is the time for action, Vietnam will be free! Peacefully or violently, Phan Boi Chau will free Vietnam and bring a new dawn to Indochina. The Vietnamese republic will add a new chapter to Vietnam's history, out of the turmoil of colonial occupation a new age of order and peace will flourish in Vietnam.
Goals: To gain independence from France and create a new Vietnamese republic
1337-DO NOT REMOVE

They fell apart in 1913.

[Sanabel]

NS Name: Serio
Group Name: Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi
Territory: The northern mountains around Hanoi
Flag: http://imgur.com/cFrXp5a
Head of Group: Phan Boi Chau
Members: Around 40,000 strong and growing
Ideology: Nationalistic Republicans
History: Phan Boi Chau started his league when he was exiled from his home by the French. He was in China at the time of Sun Yat Sen's revolution where he and other exiles came up with the idea of the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi. Now is the time for action, Vietnam will be free! Peacefully or violently, Phan Boi Chau will free Vietnam and bring a new dawn to Indochina. The Vietnamese republic will add a new chapter to Vietnam's history, out of the turmoil of colonial occupation a new age of order and peace will flourish in Vietnam.
Goals: To gain independence from France and create a new Vietnamese republic
1337-DO NOT REMOVE

They fell apart in 1913.

If he can find a valid reason for their existence to be sustained or revived, I think it's still possible.

[Independent States of Tula]

What are you talking about?

*Looks at map*

WTF IS THAT SHIT? None of that is accurate for Poland!
And what's with Germany!?! They aren't the Empire any more, they should have the Weimar's borders by this point!

I'm going with Geacron, Poland did not fight the wars for their territory yet and Germany hasn't performed the various plebiscites.

Geacron completely ignores the fact that by this point there's only a month of fighting left and those Poles had the vast majority of Greater Poland under their control long before Versailles comes about in June and affirms these boundaries. If you're going to mark the territories of all these other rebellions then you have a duty to do so with the Poles as well rather than completely ignore it. As for the referendums, those don't matter because the Poles already have military control of Greater Poland by this point.

[Serio]

They fell apart in 1913.

If he can find a valid reason for their existence to be sustained or revived, I think it's still possible.

Instead of the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi going their separate ways in 1913 and getting arrested, the branch sent to Hong Kong to build a bomb factory joined with the group heading into Vietnam, with larger numbers in Vietnam the French had a harder time arresting them. With the French on their heels the group aborted any revolutionary acts in Vietnam and instead joined back with Phan Boi Chau in Canton China to rally support. They waited until the French eased off of the search and around 1917 they slowly made their back into Vietnam with some of the newfound Chinese supporters (With no backing from China itself, plans to hold negotiations with China are in the works though) they quickly set to work gathering support in the northern villages to renew their influence in the region.

[Cabana]

I'm going with Geacron, Poland did not fight the wars for their territory yet and Germany hasn't performed the various plebiscites.

Geacron completely ignores the fact that by this point there's only a month of fighting left and those Poles had the vast majority of Greater Poland under their control long before Versailles comes about in June and affirms these boundaries. If you're going to mark the territories of all these other rebellions then you have a duty to do so with the Poles as well rather than completely ignore it. As for the referendums, those don't matter because the Poles already have military control of Greater Poland by this point.

Fine, I'll give you Posen but the rest is going to come from wars or the plebiscites.

Is this good?:

[Serio]

(i added the new history explaining how my group is still around in this time, just for you Cabana <3)
NS Name: Serio
Group Name: Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi
Territory: The northern mountains around Hanoi
Flag: http://imgur.com/cFrXp5a
Head of Group: Phan Boi Chau
Members: Around 40,000 strong and growing
Ideology: Nationalistic Republicans
History: Phan Boi Chau started his league when he was exiled from his home by the French. He was in China at the time of Sun Yat Sen's revlution where he and other exiles came up with the idea of the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi. Now is the time for action, Vietnam will be free! Peacefully or violently, Phan Boi Chau will free Vietnam and bring a new dawn to Indochina. The Vietnamese republic will add a new chapter to Vietnam's history, out of the turmoil of colonial occupation a new age of order and peace will flourish in Vietnam. (This is why the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi are still around instead of disintegrating) Instead of the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi going their separate ways in 1913 and getting arrested, the branch sent to Hong Kong to build a bomb factory joined with the group heading into Vietnam, with larger numbers in Vietnam the French had a harder time arresting them. With the French on their heels the group aborted any revolutionary acts in Vietnam and instead joined back with Phan Boi Chau in Canton China to rally support. They waited until the French eased off of the search and around 1917 they slowly made their back into Vietnam with some of the newfound Chinese supporters (With no backing from China itself, plans to hold negotiations with China are in the works though) they quickly set to work gathering support in the northern villages to renew their influence in the region.
Goals: To gain independence from France and create a new Vietnamese republic
1337-DO NOT REMOVE

My revolution to be able to be a revolution is done.

[Sanabel]

(i added the new history explaining how my group is still around in this time, just for you Cabana <3)
NS Name: Serio
Group Name: Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi
Territory: The northern mountains around Hanoi
Flag: http://imgur.com/cFrXp5a
Head of Group: Phan Boi Chau
Members: Around 40,000 strong and growing
Ideology: Nationalistic Republicans
History: Phan Boi Chau started his league when he was exiled from his home by the French. He was in China at the time of Sun Yat Sen's revlution where he and other exiles came up with the idea of the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi. Now is the time for action, Vietnam will be free! Peacefully or violently, Phan Boi Chau will free Vietnam and bring a new dawn to Indochina. The Vietnamese republic will add a new chapter to Vietnam's history, out of the turmoil of colonial occupation a new age of order and peace will flourish in Vietnam. (This is why the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi are still around instead of disintegrating) Instead of the Viet Nam Quang Phuc Hoi going their separate ways in 1913 and getting arrested, the branch sent to Hong Kong to build a bomb factory joined with the group heading into Vietnam, with larger numbers in Vietnam the French had a harder time arresting them. With the French on their heels the group aborted any revolutionary acts in Vietnam and instead joined back with Phan Boi Chau in Canton China to rally support. They waited until the French eased off of the search and around 1917 they slowly made their back into Vietnam with some of the newfound Chinese supporters (With no backing from China itself, plans to hold negotiations with China are in the works though) they quickly set to work gathering support in the northern villages to renew their influence in the region.
Goals: To gain independence from France and create a new Vietnamese republic
1337-DO NOT REMOVE

My revolution to be able to be a revolution is done.

I'd say accepted. Nikolaos, Nick, Nikki, what do you say my dear fellow?