The Dogs of War [OOC|Open]

[Kisinger]

Except the fact that British and French Units(not all units) used .303 and could easily resupply each other on the front line. Kinda like how a majority of NATO Nations use similar cartridges in their weapons....

I thought we used the SAME cartridge?

No because not all weapons are chambered for it...

FN FAL: 7.62 x 51mm NATO
G36: 5.56 x 42mm NATO
M4 Carbine: 5.56 x 45mm NATO

See? We use similar Cartridges not the same across the board.

Regardless, NATO and the Entente are allies, and thus common ammunition is practical, having the same ammunition as the enemy? Not so much.

Who's to say who your enemy will be? IRL the Romanians used an ammo type designed in A-H, but since it was a different ammo type to the A-H standard, it didn't matter. Then the Romanians ended up fighting A-H in WW1.

Plus I haven't found any evidence that the French used the .303 in any of their rifles. They might have just used British .303 MLE and SLMEs though, considering the number produced.

They didn't use them for their Rifles but French Units had British Rifles, should of clarified.

[The Jonathanian States]

Because the caliber you know as the 7.62x57 is an actual German-produced caliber?

It was independent Morocco that changed their name, and it did so some time after they stopped being more or less property of the King, possibly as much as 56 years later.

I don't believe ever explicitly saying that.

Could. They could care less.
Anyway, maybe.

I did not say that.

mhm.

Except your original caliber was primarily fucking produced in bloody Germany.

1) Anti-racism laws are not allowed, and yet the people are allowed to be against racism? It can't be both, tell me which is acceptable, because people against racism would want laws to further their views.

Nope and yes, respectively, more or less.
Also, y'know, racism - like everything basically - isn't quite a black-and-white case (heh). For example, the equal status of African-American in modern america was not archieved thanks to a sudden disappearance of racism. No, first slavery started considered barbaric, and then slowly a lack of euquality, the inability to vote, etc.
To provide the example in the opposite directions, Nazi Germany did not, in its first decree, declare the execution of all German Jews. At first they were forbidden from having sex or marrying Germans, from having certain civil rights, then it was certain professions they were kicked out of, and somewhere at the end of that line awaited total extermination.

What I am trying to say is, for anti-racism laws to be a thing, racism has to be really, really, condemned. It has to be accepted more or less unanimously, at that point, that racism is bad and baseless. That is not something you can have in 1914.
But neither can you have slavery being considered acceptable, in a western country and if you don't want it to have been under a permanent embargo, in 1914.

2) Look, I'll take the 7.62x70 mmR,

A caliber designed in 1989?

I made a mistake in picking the German made one, and I'm going back on that call.

You are saying that as if you are doomed or something... I mean, you most likely won't even be in the war, I'd assume....

Thinking it through more it would defeat the purpose of having a less common (Worldwide, obviously it the 7.62x70 mmR be fairly common for the dutch forces and produced at home) round if the Germans invaded.

On the other hand, if the French invaded it would allow you to get more and easier supplies from Germany.

Anyway, and it took me really long to reach the point of just putting this out so bluntly, but I think at this stage you should be less concerned with your caliber and instead calmed with the fact that you have your military be in such better shape than the historical Netherlands, who even by World War 2 were not ready for World War 1.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

1.) Libya IS in my Homeland population as it was part of Metropolitan Italy.
2.) It works either way, As long as Murat doesn't Support Napoleon after his exile i'm fine with whatever Calt does.
3.) I was basing it off of they began to be developed at this point if you looked earlier in the Article, which shows that they began selecting soldiers for "Exploration Units", I should have added in infancy in the Description
5.) Population I'm not sure when I went wrong considering I used Populstats numbers for the 1911-14 period

1) I see.
3)

The ardito concept can be traced back to 1914 when every regiment of the Royal Army was ordered to create a group of explorers trained to act behind enemy lines. The first Arditi units were formed and trained in Sdricca di Manzano, Udine, where the event is still celebrated on the last Sunday in July.[1]

Formed and trained more or less literally right now. Those are not units you can send into combat as Arditi. Also, right no these definitely do not serve the purpose of stormtroopers or anything similar.
5) You mind listing your numbers? I used the following:

36,120,100 (Italy) + 800,000 (Albania 1918) + 938,000 (Littoral) + 530,200 (Krain) + 946,600 (Tyrol, all of it.) = Still not even 40 thousand. Libya, should you have added them to the homeland based on being partially accepted, also are still another half million. Still not bringing us to your 42 million. Heck, it barely is 40 million. I doubt Malta and Crete together have more than 2 million.

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@tJS (My computer is glitching out on me now so I can't quote you properly.)

1. I'll account for Flanders and leave it there.
2. I should've been less hyperbolic, the Dutch are a trade oriented people, and are also progressive due to the nature of their revolutionary foundations, so they are less quick to be highly intolerant of new ideas and peoples.
3. France and the UK didn't have segregation, anti-voter laws and a KKK did they? (Seriously though, correct me if I'm wrong)
4. I'll replace Jingoism with Patriotism then.
5. Alright, if that's when mobilization starts then I'll lower the numbers.
6. The Black Guard were famous for being even more loyal, disciplined and overall superior soldiers to many others, for that reason the Dutch kept the name to keep the connotation of an elite Moroccan force.
7. The Holt Gun will be different in that it will use a custom 7.62x57 mmR cartridge instead of a to pack a slightly bigger punch and avoid it from being used by enemies as they would need to begin manufacturing these custom bullets to re appropriate them for their own use, however, this will also make it heavier and run out of ammo slightly quicker, their placing quality bullets over quantity bullets in this case. This makes it differ from the Russian/German 7.62×54mmR, or British 7.62×51mm ammunition. It also will look more like the Russian Model.
8. There would be Combat Engineer detachments in the DARs I can specify that in the App.
9. AirForce Fixes: Perhaps we finalize it and have 24 of them. Also, these planes would be in essence the Nieuport II (invented and manufactured from 1910) with a machinegun added later in the war. Nothing special.

2) One can't say the dutch as a whole are trade orient as I'm sure only a tiny minority of them are engaged in trade. And the dutch people were not founded in revolution, only their state. But heck, even if they were founded in revolution, it definitely does not imply progressiveness. The fucking french republic dismissed giving women franchise and kept slavery, the Germans became a republic and elected an openly very racist party.
3) On the last one, not AFAIK. On anti-voter laws.... Well, British franchise before WW1 was shit anyway, but no, colonials didn't have the right to vote. At least the native ones, definitely In case of France, I recall that except for Algeria which was considered part of France proper, the colonies did not elect representatives to the french parliament. So sort of? As for segretation.... no idea.
4) That seems more appropriate.
6) They also were a system of nearly slavery, to my understanding.
7) Does that cartridge even exist? The closest I found are this, this, and that. I'd prefer you using real things.
8 ) Wouldn't that possibly slow them down, when operating as LC?

1.) Arditi point can be fixed.
2.) I'll just use your number because it really makes no difference to me.

[Alouite]

zip

1) I know that well, but I think racial labor standards at home would be of bigger issue than keeping the name of some protectorate based military unit.
2) The year it was designed IRL means nothing in this case, it's just a caliber someone tested out later on, if they wanted, any force back then could've designed and invented it. So long as I'm not saying it's FMJ or explosive or something, this shouldn't be a factor.
3) I don't see why you think me having my own caliber machine gun ammunition is so trivial, it is a specific gun, our rifles and handguns all use foreign ammunition, the idea was that if the MG was overrun it couldn't be re purposed against the Dutch forces by a foreign power, that and it was designed to do a little more damage for a slightly slower fire rate and significant weight increases, but that just encourages us to make improvised fortified MG positions in future battles. Our hand guns would use American made ammunition, our rifles are mostly British, and the two other machineguns we use are British and French, the new one essentially supposed to be a new machine gun built from the Maxim Gun to utilize this new ammunition and see if it would work in future Machine Guns.

[Sveltlana]

Here you have it.

Generic Info
Nation Name: United Mexican States (Estados Unidos Mexicanos)
Symbols: Mexican Flag & National Anthem
Homeland Population: 19,300,000
OTL Mexico: 14,900,000
OTL Guatemala: 1,180,000
OTL El Salvador: 1,200,000
OTL Honduras: 560,000
OTL Nicaragua: 580,000
OTL Costa Rica: 410,000
OTL Panama: 380,000
Imperial Population: 19,300,000
Location/Claims: As much of mainland as possible
Capital City: Mexico City — Ciudad de México

Government Info
Government Type: Provisional Presidential Federal Constitutional Republic
Brief Explanation of Government: Government is in total chaos. Every local Joe claims to be a revolutionary leader, leading his own band of men against what he presumes is the government; although more often than not, Joe's enemy is another revolutionary leader. The two chief contenders for the Mexican presidency are Venustiano Carranza, heir of Madero's legacy, an affluent Northerner, and Francisco Madero himself, who escaped the capital after being forced to resign the Presidency b the rebel general Victoriano Huerta. Meanwhile, Emiliano Zapata, the popular leader of indians and poorer mestizos, and, Pancho Villa, sire of support, remain in open rebellion against the government. Congress is split in three factions — the Carranzista Liberals, the Gustavo Madero-led Maderista Liberals, and the Conservatives.
Ideology: The country is in total Revolution. Everyone has pretty much a different one.
Leader/s: Venustiano Carranza — Current President

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: Mexicans. Tacos, sombreros, nopales, et cetera.
Religion: Predominantly catholicism.
Ethnicity: Mexican/Hispanic/Native American
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Mexican, Mestizo, Hispanic in general
Other Cultures: Native american (e.g. Nahua, Mixtec, Maya, Huastec)

Military Info
Army: Venustiano Carranza's army is mostly composed of irregular soldiers fielding weapons imported from France, Germany, and the United States. Carranza enjoys the implicit support of the United States, who has thus far been willing to sell weaponry to his forces, who have thus maintained a superiority in armament to their poorer Zapatista and Villista counterparts. The Carranzistas currently hold all Mexican states with the Exception of the Lower Pacific states around Oaxaca and Guerrero, and Chihuahua, Sonora, Baja California, and Sinaloa in the North, where Villa concentrates his support. Carranzista armies are about to march north to offer battle to Villa's forces. A second major Carranzista contingent maintains watch over Chilpancingo against all odds, while a third major force secures the periphery of the all-important Mexico City from Zapatista aggression. Nevertheless, it is a Herculean task to attempt to define the exact size of the army — most of it is composed of volunteers and paramilitary forces.

Navy: Not worthy of being spoken of, the Mexican navy is a critically underfunded and mothballed institution that has been paid little attention since the land-based irregular warfare of the Revolution began.

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Mexico is in revolution. Total chaos. Following the Porfiriato, many urban centres have become modern and industrialised — Mexico City, Puebla, Guanajuato, Toluca, Chilpancingo, Monterrey, and Saltillo are all important industrial centres. Nevertheless, much of the Mexican population still works in the field of agriculture; the larger part in subsistence agriculture.
Goals: BECOME STABLE
History: OTL until Revolution, except that Mexico retained its control over the USCA. Texas does not win its war of independence; rather, it is annexed into the US along with Colorado, Nevada, Upper California, etc, in the Guadalupe-Hidalgo treaty that STEALS all of Mexico's Transriobravian provinces. Pastry War, Second French Intervention, Benito Juarez, etc., OTL. Second Mexican Empire OTL too. Porfiriato mostly OTL, but for a slight few differences that aren't worth noting.

Now, for the fun part.

In 1910, a rich hacendado by the name of Francisco Madero and his northern pals decide to put the Plan de San Luis into action. The Plan de San Luis declares the Díaz presidency to be unrecognised, and calls for the Mexican people to rise in arms against the government in 21 November 1910. Before this occurs, however, Díaz accepts to relinquish the presidency and goes into self-imposed exile. Díaz leaves for France, where he spends the rest of his years — all two of them — living in a charming two-story house near the Champs Elysees. Madero then assumes the presidency along with his compatriot, Pino Suárez. In December 1910, elections are called. Madero, promising social and political reforms, obtains a victory.

However, these reforms take their time to arrive. Madero, timid in the face of the more conservative and elite Chamber of Deputies and Senate is shy to enact his promises. The people grow desperate. It is not long before many of them follow the banners of Madero's rivals. Madero, ever the romantic idealist, allows for complete freedom of speech and press — the press delivers acid criticism to the young president and mocks him for his failure to bring about change in the country.

In 1911, a young upstart by the name of Emiliano Zapata declares himself to be in rebellion against Madero by the Plan de Ayala. Madero dispatches an army which routs Zapata's forces completely. Villages of Zapatista supporters are completely burned down — against the orders of Madero, who calls for a measured stability in the region — and Cuernavaca is looted and pillaged in a bitter clash of Federal troops and Zapatista supporters. Morelos becomes a battlefield between two sides that alternates between classical set-piece warfare and the pomp and circumstance of irregular guerrilla warfare.

Meanwhile, other revolutionaries would have Madero deposed. Victoriano Huerta, his most trusted general, who had so well dispatched the rebellious Orozquistas, became a powerful and influential conservative figure. Bernardo Reyes and Féliz Díaz led rebellions against Madero — they both failed in their purpose. Reyes was eventually assassinated by agents of Gustavo Madero — Francisco Madero's brother. His corpse is hanged from the Castillo de Chapultepec until the young president, in horror at the cruelty, orders the corpses to be brought down.

Henry Lane Wilson — that meddling bastard, the ambassador of the United States who for some reason believed he should have a role in Mexican politics — brokers an alliance of Huerta and Félix Díaz. Thus, the federal troops under command of Huerta join the ranks of Félix Díaz's rebels. However, Díaz is assassinated, presumably by American agents. Madero and Suárez escape the capital as war spreads around Mexico City — artillery barrages and exchanges of gunfire become a common sight in the crimson streets of the city.

Huerta, having obtained from Madero and Suárez their resignations, declares himself to be the President. Soon, however, his control over the armed forces eventually allows him to become the dictator of the country. Another northerner, Venustiano Carranza, thus proclaims the Plan de Guadalupe in 1913. It declares Huerta's dictatorship over the country to be unlawful, and calls for the resignation of Huerta. The Plan de Guadalupe unites the northern rebels — Álvaro Obregón, Venustiano Carranza, and, perhaps more famously, Pancho Villa — under a common banner to oust Huerta. These were known as the Constitutionalists.

In December 1913, Huerta secretly attempts to escape the country. However, plans of his escape are leaked — he is found undercover escaping the capital in a carriage, and is assassinated by a mob of Constitutionalist supporters, who then exchange fire with Huerta's few guards.

With Huerta killed, Venustiano Carranza calls for the Convention of Aguascalientes. In the central state of the same name, many revolutionary leaders — including Carranza, Obregón, Villa, Zapata, and others — convene to discuss what their next approach will be. However, Carranza's intentions are defeated. Rather than leaving the Convention with an agreed-upon result, the various factions are now deeply rooted against each other, having found that they have different goals. The Constitutionalist alliance breaks as Villa breaks with Carranza, allying with Zapata. However, Obregón remains loyal to his suzerain. Zapata returns to his southern base of power and continues operations against the government, now allied with the charismatic Villa.

Meanwhile, Carranza has assumed the Presidency along with Obregón as his vice-president. The President then calls for a new constitution — to be approved in 1917 — to bring about political and social reform. Carranza then orders his armies to march north and south to offer battle to Zapata and Villa.

At this later phase of the Revolution in early 1914, Carranza has many obstacles to face. Gustavo Madero, Francisco Madero's brother, leads a faction in Congress that calls for Madero's return to the Presidency (even if Francisco Madero tendered his resignation under threat of life). Villa and Zapata wreak havoc in many states, enlisting support against the government as it prepares to return stability to the country. But, more importantly, Carranza has to deal with a critical issue — the modernisation of Mexican culture, so deeply rooted in tradition.

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[The Jonathanian States]

zip

1) I know that well, but I think racial labor standards at home would be of bigger issue than keeping the name of some protectorate based military unit.

And I disagree. Anyway, considering I do not believe that I demanded of you to change it, and that I do still think the racial labor laws are not appropriate for this time, you can keep the black guard as the black guard.

2) The year it was designed IRL means nothing in this case, it's just a caliber someone tested out later on, if they wanted, any force back then could've designed and invented it. So long as I'm not saying it's FMJ or explosive or something, this shouldn't be a factor.

Assuming that to be true...

3) I don't see why you think me having my own caliber machine gun ammunition is so trivial, it is a specific gun....

Because even you even having that gun is a massive step forward, an investment in the armed forces massively increased.

... the idea was that if the MG was overrun it couldn't be re purposed against the Dutch forces by a foreign power....

Considering that an MG being overrun is likely to anyway mean this defensive position and those linked with it are (at least nearly) lost, I'm not sure why you don't.

... that and it was designed to do a little more damage for a slightly slower fire rate and significant weight increases...

Because high fire rates are the fucking purpose of the Machine-gun. We are at the point in time at which the normal infantry-man uses bolt-action rifles, so the Machine-gun is actually the only thing that can fire quicker than that.
Meanwhile, the hit doing some more damage won't have any benefits until possibly the rise of tanks or the countable usages of armoured cars, neither of which should be expected and therefore developed for.

...but that just encourages us to make improvised fortified MG positions in future battles...

Which is bad. Having somebody be pre-encouraged to fortify does not fit into contemporary European Military thought, which on a tactical level was barely beyond the Napoleonic era, and most definitely not adapted to the usage of the machine gun.

....and the two other machineguns we use are British and French..

You use three machine guns? Which ones? And why?

, the new one essentially supposed to be a new machine gun built from the Maxim Gun to utilize this new ammunition and see if it would work in future Machine Guns.

Two things:
1) I did not find anything about Modified Maxim Guns being a thing. There were derivatives, but those weren't Maxims anymore, and to my understanding they were not just a change in caliber. 2) Wouldn't it just make more sense to use a more modern Vickers?

Anyway... the .300 Lapua Magnum (aka 7.62 x 70 mm) is a rimless cartridge and as such not suitable for belt-feeding, as required for operating a Maxim Gun - so there's that.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

1.) Libya IS in my Homeland population as it was part of Metropolitan Italy.
2.) It works either way, As long as Murat doesn't Support Napoleon after his exile i'm fine with whatever Calt does.
3.) I was basing it off of they began to be developed at this point if you looked earlier in the Article, which shows that they began selecting soldiers for "Exploration Units", I should have added in infancy in the Description
5.) Population I'm not sure when I went wrong considering I used Populstats numbers for the 1911-14 period

1) I see.
3)

The ardito concept can be traced back to 1914 when every regiment of the Royal Army was ordered to create a group of explorers trained to act behind enemy lines. The first Arditi units were formed and trained in Sdricca di Manzano, Udine, where the event is still celebrated on the last Sunday in July.[1]

Formed and trained more or less literally right now. Those are not units you can send into combat as Arditi. Also, right no these definitely do not serve the purpose of stormtroopers or anything similar.
5) You mind listing your numbers? I used the following:

36,120,100 (Italy) + 800,000 (Albania 1918) + 938,000 (Littoral) + 530,200 (Krain) + 946,600 (Tyrol, all of it.) = Still not even 40 thousand. Libya, should you have added them to the homeland based on being partially accepted, also are still another half million. Still not bringing us to your 42 million. Heck, it barely is 40 million. I doubt Malta and Crete together have more than 2 million.

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@tJS (My computer is glitching out on me now so I can't quote you properly.)

1. I'll account for Flanders and leave it there.
2. I should've been less hyperbolic, the Dutch are a trade oriented people, and are also progressive due to the nature of their revolutionary foundations, so they are less quick to be highly intolerant of new ideas and peoples.
3. France and the UK didn't have segregation, anti-voter laws and a KKK did they? (Seriously though, correct me if I'm wrong)
4. I'll replace Jingoism with Patriotism then.
5. Alright, if that's when mobilization starts then I'll lower the numbers.
6. The Black Guard were famous for being even more loyal, disciplined and overall superior soldiers to many others, for that reason the Dutch kept the name to keep the connotation of an elite Moroccan force.
7. The Holt Gun will be different in that it will use a custom 7.62x57 mmR cartridge instead of a to pack a slightly bigger punch and avoid it from being used by enemies as they would need to begin manufacturing these custom bullets to re appropriate them for their own use, however, this will also make it heavier and run out of ammo slightly quicker, their placing quality bullets over quantity bullets in this case. This makes it differ from the Russian/German 7.62×54mmR, or British 7.62×51mm ammunition. It also will look more like the Russian Model.
8. There would be Combat Engineer detachments in the DARs I can specify that in the App.
9. AirForce Fixes: Perhaps we finalize it and have 24 of them. Also, these planes would be in essence the Nieuport II (invented and manufactured from 1910) with a machinegun added later in the war. Nothing special.

2) One can't say the dutch as a whole are trade orient as I'm sure only a tiny minority of them are engaged in trade. And the dutch people were not founded in revolution, only their state. But heck, even if they were founded in revolution, it definitely does not imply progressiveness. The fucking french republic dismissed giving women franchise and kept slavery, the Germans became a republic and elected an openly very racist party.
3) On the last one, not AFAIK. On anti-voter laws.... Well, British franchise before WW1 was shit anyway, but no, colonials didn't have the right to vote. At least the native ones, definitely In case of France, I recall that except for Algeria which was considered part of France proper, the colonies did not elect representatives to the french parliament. So sort of? As for segretation.... no idea.
4) That seems more appropriate.
6) They also were a system of nearly slavery, to my understanding.
7) Does that cartridge even exist? The closest I found are this, this, and that. I'd prefer you using real things.
8 ) Wouldn't that possibly slow them down, when operating as LC?

I found the discrepancy! I included our Greek Puppet state in my population.

[Alouite]

1) I know that well, but I think racial labor standards at home would be of bigger issue than keeping the name of some protectorate based military unit.

And I disagree. Anyway, considering I do not believe that I demanded of you to change it, and that I do still think the racial labor laws are not appropriate for this time, you can keep the black guard as the black guard.

2) The year it was designed IRL means nothing in this case, it's just a caliber someone tested out later on, if they wanted, any force back then could've designed and invented it. So long as I'm not saying it's FMJ or explosive or something, this shouldn't be a factor.

Assuming that to be true...

3) I don't see why you think me having my own caliber machine gun ammunition is so trivial, it is a specific gun....

Because even you even having that gun is a massive step forward, an investment in the armed forces massively increased.

... the idea was that if the MG was overrun it couldn't be re purposed against the Dutch forces by a foreign power....

Considering that an MG being overrun is likely to anyway mean this defensive position and those linked with it are (at least nearly) lost, I'm not sure why you don't.

... that and it was designed to do a little more damage for a slightly slower fire rate and significant weight increases...

Because high fire rates are the fucking purpose of the Machine-gun. We are at the point in time at which the normal infantry-man uses bolt-action rifles, so the Machine-gun is actually the only thing that can fire quicker than that.
Meanwhile, the hit doing some more damage won't have any benefits until possibly the rise of tanks or the countable usages of armoured cars, neither of which should be expected and therefore developed for.

...but that just encourages us to make improvised fortified MG positions in future battles...

Which is bad. Having somebody be pre-encouraged to fortify does not fit into contemporary European Military thought, which on a tactical level was barely beyond the Napoleonic era, and most definitely not adapted to the usage of the machine gun.

....and the two other machineguns we use are British and French..

You use three machine guns? Which ones? And why?

, the new one essentially supposed to be a new machine gun built from the Maxim Gun to utilize this new ammunition and see if it would work in future Machine Guns.

Two things:
1) I did not find anything about Modified Maxim Guns being a thing. There were derivatives, but those weren't Maxims anymore, and to my understanding they were not just a change in caliber. 2) Wouldn't it just make more sense to use a more modern Vickers?

Anyway... the .300 Lapua Magnum (aka 7.62 x 70 mm) is a rimless cartridge and as such not suitable for belt-feeding, as required for operating a Maxim Gun - so there's that.

Oh. My. God. I make one AH caliber, one that would have an almost minute effect on the battlefield and you go nuts, fine. I'll can the whole thing, no more Dutch made MG. I just wanna finish the darned app. And the fire rate wouldn't be that darn bade either, only slightly slower, you realize that as long as it can shoot faster than semi-automatic weapons it could gun down enemies regardless of if it is slower than some other Machineguns. Can I at least make the damn thing an experimental rifle and make the Vickers standard?

[Alouite]

Uhh. Where everyone at?

[Lunas Legion]

Uhh. Where everyone at?

Dunno. I think this RP may have been a victim of school and IRL.

[Alouite]

Uhh. Where everyone at?

Dunno. I think this RP may have been a victim of school and IRL.

On a Saturday? Alright I guess, it's just odd timing to be effected like this.

[Lunas Legion]

Dunno. I think this RP may have been a victim of school and IRL.

On a Saturday? Alright I guess, it's just odd timing to be effected like this.

Homework and coursework.

[Alouite]

On a Saturday? Alright I guess, it's just odd timing to be effected like this.

Homework and coursework.

But that's what Sundays are for!

[Lunas Legion]

Homework and coursework.

But that's what Sundays are for!

I'll have you know that I do my coursework Monday mornings.

[Alouite]

But that's what Sundays are for!

I'll have you know that I do my coursework Monday mornings.

Classy Motherfucker: Detected.

[The Jonathanian States]

Uhh. Where everyone at?

Dunno. I think this RP may have been a victim of school and IRL.

On a Saturday? Alright I guess, it's just odd timing to be effected like this.

Homework and coursework.

Yes

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Oh. My. God. I make one AH caliber, one that would have an almost minute effect on the battlefield and you go nuts, fine.

Considering I basically conceded to you the dutch not being overstretched with the DEI, as well as now remember that I don't recall receiving an answer on the lack of civil war within your navy during the early period of the revolution that you actually call a civil war, and that furthermore I following those let you have the dutch army remain up to date technologically....
This caliber episode is merely the cherry on top, the straw that I'm not going to allow to break the camel's back.

And the fire rate wouldn't be that darn bade either, only slightly slower, you realize that as long as it can shoot faster than semi-automatic weapons it could gun down enemies regardless of if it is slower than some other Machineguns.

Yes, but you reduce the fire rate and gain virtually nothing. From the point of view of a developer in this era, that is. This weapon cannot reasonably exist in this history, as of now.
Hire firepower per bullet is irrelevant if it is targeted at infantrymen who lack things like bullet-armor.
Anyway, the .300 Lapua Magnum, being rimmless, is unfit for belts as used in the Maxim or Vickers guns.

Can I at least make the damn thing an experimental rifle and make the Vickers standard?

No and yes, respectively.
Beyond a single first prototype it has absolutely no reason for existing, as explained above.

1) I see.
3)
Formed and trained more or less literally right now. Those are not units you can send into combat as Arditi. Also, right no these definitely do not serve the purpose of stormtroopers or anything similar.
5) You mind listing your numbers? I used the following:

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2) One can't say the dutch as a whole are trade orient as I'm sure only a tiny minority of them are engaged in trade. And the dutch people were not founded in revolution, only their state. But heck, even if they were founded in revolution, it definitely does not imply progressiveness. The fucking french republic dismissed giving women franchise and kept slavery, the Germans became a republic and elected an openly very racist party.
3) On the last one, not AFAIK. On anti-voter laws.... Well, British franchise before WW1 was shit anyway, but no, colonials didn't have the right to vote. At least the native ones, definitely In case of France, I recall that except for Algeria which was considered part of France proper, the colonies did not elect representatives to the french parliament. So sort of? As for segretation.... no idea.
4) That seems more appropriate.
6) They also were a system of nearly slavery, to my understanding.
7) Does that cartridge even exist? The closest I found are this, this, and that. I'd prefer you using real things.
8 ) Wouldn't that possibly slow them down, when operating as LC?

I found the discrepancy! I included our Greek Puppet state in my population.

In the homeland population rather than the Imperial one? That seems like a rather curious choice...
Anyway, this allows us to move on with the app.

Here you have it.

I did a quick scan (and hopefully will go on a deeper review later) and the one issue that sort of stands out for me is you having control of the USCA retained but for that part not giving any detail/explanation.

[The Jonathanian States]

Homeland Population: 19,300,000
OTL Mexico: 14,900,000
OTL Guatemala: 1,180,000
OTL El Salvador: 1,200,000
OTL Honduras: 560,000
OTL Nicaragua: 580,000
OTL Costa Rica: 410,000
OTL Panama: 380,000

That's not quite the numbers I found, to be honest. Mine were smaller by a few tens of thousands in the case of Mexico proper and then higher by a few thousands across the board in more or less all other countries. But as your difference is rather small I'm curious of the source.

Imperial Population: 19,300,000

I don't quite think that's the case. I'd assume it is 0, in contrast to the homeland population.

Location/Claims: As much of mainland as possible

This is pending an acceptable history, but theoretically I say all of it should be possible.

Military Info
Army: Venustiano Carranza's army is mostly composed of irregular soldiers fielding weapons imported from France, Germany, and the United States. Carranza enjoys the implicit support of the United States, who has thus far been willing to sell weaponry to his forces, who have thus maintained a superiority in armament to their poorer Zapatista and Villista counterparts. The Carranzistas currently hold all Mexican states with the Exception of the Lower Pacific states around Oaxaca and Guerrero, and Chihuahua, Sonora, Baja California, and Sinaloa in the North, where Villa concentrates his support. Carranzista armies are about to march north to offer battle to Villa's forces. A second major Carranzista contingent maintains watch over Chilpancingo against all odds, while a third major force secures the periphery of the all-important Mexico City from Zapatista aggression. Nevertheless, it is a Herculean task to attempt to define the exact size of the army — most of it is composed of volunteers and paramilitary forces.

I think at least a rough estimate of government-loyal forces, including irregulars, is necessary.

History: OTL until Revolution, except that Mexico retained its control over the USCA.

I'll have to require more detail/an explanation for that, as already said earlier.

Texas does not win its war of independence; rather, it is annexed into the US along with Colorado, Nevada, Upper California, etc, in the Guadalupe-Hidalgo treaty that STEALS all of Mexico's Transriobravian provinces.

I'll have to let Glit agree to this, considering this is an change to his history as well.
Also obvious Muxicanic propaganda is obvious. Guadelope-Hidalgo was a treaty signed by free will to the betterment of the Mexican people and in the name of Freedom under the banner of democracy, while a white-headed eagle watched from above and shed a manly tear of Liberty. Every little kid knows that.

Porfiriato mostly OTL, but for a slight few differences that aren't worth noting.

I feel that if you mention that it isn't fully as in OTL the differences maybe should be noted after all.

The rest seems fine.
EDIT: For the record, I went over this with Liecth, so this should sum up his opinion as well. /EDIT

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Dunno. I think this RP may have been a victim of school and IRL.

Homework and coursework.

Yes

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Oh. My. God. I make one AH caliber, one that would have an almost minute effect on the battlefield and you go nuts, fine.

Considering I basically conceded to you the dutch not being overstretched with the DEI, as well as now remember that I don't recall receiving an answer on the lack of civil war within your navy during the early period of the revolution that you actually call a civil war, and that furthermore I following those let you have the dutch army remain up to date technologically....
This caliber episode is merely the cherry on top, the straw that I'm not going to allow to break the camel's back.

And the fire rate wouldn't be that darn bade either, only slightly slower, you realize that as long as it can shoot faster than semi-automatic weapons it could gun down enemies regardless of if it is slower than some other Machineguns.

Yes, but you reduce the fire rate and gain virtually nothing. From the point of view of a developer in this era, that is. This weapon cannot reasonably exist in this history, as of now.
Hire firepower per bullet is irrelevant if it is targeted at infantrymen who lack things like bullet-armor.
Anyway, the .300 Lapua Magnum, being rimmless, is unfit for belts as used in the Maxim or Vickers guns.

Can I at least make the damn thing an experimental rifle and make the Vickers standard?

No and yes, respectively.
Beyond a single first prototype it has absolutely no reason for existing, as explained above.

I found the discrepancy! I included our Greek Puppet state in my population.

In the homeland population rather than the Imperial one? That seems like a rather curious choice...
Anyway, this allows us to move on with the app.

Here you have it.

I did a quick scan (and hopefully will go on a deeper review later) and the one issue that sort of stands out for me is you having control of the USCA retained but for that part not giving any detail/explanation.

It all comes down to the fact that officially the Greeks are equals, and Brothers of the Italian Empire, Not like the Blacks and Bedouins.

[The Jonathanian States]

Yes

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Considering I basically conceded to you the dutch not being overstretched with the DEI, as well as now remember that I don't recall receiving an answer on the lack of civil war within your navy during the early period of the revolution that you actually call a civil war, and that furthermore I following those let you have the dutch army remain up to date technologically....
This caliber episode is merely the cherry on top, the straw that I'm not going to allow to break the camel's back.

Yes, but you reduce the fire rate and gain virtually nothing. From the point of view of a developer in this era, that is. This weapon cannot reasonably exist in this history, as of now.
Hire firepower per bullet is irrelevant if it is targeted at infantrymen who lack things like bullet-armor.
Anyway, the .300 Lapua Magnum, being rimmless, is unfit for belts as used in the Maxim or Vickers guns.

No and yes, respectively.
Beyond a single first prototype it has absolutely no reason for existing, as explained above.

In the homeland population rather than the Imperial one? That seems like a rather curious choice...
Anyway, this allows us to move on with the app.

I did a quick scan (and hopefully will go on a deeper review later) and the one issue that sort of stands out for me is you having control of the USCA retained but for that part not giving any detail/explanation.

It all comes down to the fact that officially the Greeks are equals, and Brothers of the Italian Empire, Not like the Blacks and Bedouins.

Except that, to my understanding of your map and original description of claims, they aren't part of the state of Italy but of a protectorate/puppet/vassal/dominion/ of Greece.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

It all comes down to the fact that officially the Greeks are equals, and Brothers of the Italian Empire, Not like the Blacks and Bedouins.

Except that, to my understanding of your map and original description of claims, they aren't part of the state of Italy but of a protectorate/puppet/vassal/dominion/ of Greece.

Personal Union, So considered part of the Imperial Realm

[The Jonathanian States]

Except that, to my understanding of your map and original description of claims, they aren't part of the state of Italy but of a protectorate/puppet/vassal/dominion/ of Greece.

Personal Union, So considered part of the Imperial Realm

Ok, let me try and compare this to something I know how to handle.
Which of the following is the equivalent of the relationship between Greece and Italy:

• The UK and Canada today
• Austria and Hungary during the days of Austria-Hungary
• Congress Poland and Russia after the Polish Revolt
• Brandenburg and Prussia before their unification

And then depending on that it'll be part of your imperial or homeland population.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Personal Union, So considered part of the Imperial Realm

Ok, let me try and compare this to something I know how to handle.
Which of the following is the equivalent of the relationship between Greece and Italy:

• The UK and Canada today
• Austria and Hungary during the days of Austria-Hungary
• Congress Poland and Russia after the Polish Revolt
• Brandenburg and Prussia before their unification

And then depending on that it'll be part of your imperial or homeland population.

A&H

[Alouite]

Dunno. I think this RP may have been a victim of school and IRL.

Homework and coursework.

Yes

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Oh. My. God. I make one AH caliber, one that would have an almost minute effect on the battlefield and you go nuts, fine.

Considering I basically conceded to you the dutch not being overstretched with the DEI, as well as now remember that I don't recall receiving an answer on the lack of civil war within your navy during the early period of the revolution that you actually call a civil war, and that furthermore I following those let you have the dutch army remain up to date technologically....
This caliber episode is merely the cherry on top, the straw that I'm not going to allow to break the camel's back.

And the fire rate wouldn't be that darn bade either, only slightly slower, you realize that as long as it can shoot faster than semi-automatic weapons it could gun down enemies regardless of if it is slower than some other Machineguns.

Yes, but you reduce the fire rate and gain virtually nothing. From the point of view of a developer in this era, that is. This weapon cannot reasonably exist in this history, as of now.
Hire firepower per bullet is irrelevant if it is targeted at infantrymen who lack things like bullet-armor.
Anyway, the .300 Lapua Magnum, being rimmless, is unfit for belts as used in the Maxim or Vickers guns.

Can I at least make the damn thing an experimental rifle and make the Vickers standard?

No and yes, respectively.
Beyond a single first prototype it has absolutely no reason for existing, as explained above.

1. The Navy wasn't involved in the civil war the same way the French navy wasn't involved in their civil war, the war wasn't between the military and a military backed revolutionary force, it was backed by the people and small militias with a fair deal within the Dutch Army. The only major goal was to capture the royal family and have them resign, there was no need for naval involvement in the conflict and if there was, it would be minimal. At most, rebellious navy men would disobey orders.
2. Fine, a single prototype I could expand upon in the later part of the war (If invaded or entering the war). Can we finalize our debate there?

[The Jonathanian States]

2. Fine, a single prototype I could expand upon in the later part of the war (If invaded or entering the war). Can we finalize our debate there?

Only if the person invading you does so with armoured vehicles. Otherwise your modification is still bloody useless and has no reason to exist.
If they do invade with such vehicles, though, you'd be fine with building more of these slightly heavier weaponry, yes.
EDIT: Wait, actually, it would only make sense if your modified gun actually would be effectively on armour. Which while I'm sure the armour of those WW1 vehicles wasn't the best I'm not sure if they wouldn't just resist these rounds too.... /EDIT

Ok, let me try and compare this to something I know how to handle.
Which of the following is the equivalent of the relationship between Greece and Italy:

• The UK and Canada today
• Austria and Hungary during the days of Austria-Hungary
• Congress Poland and Russia after the Polish Revolt
• Brandenburg and Prussia before their unification

And then depending on that it'll be part of your imperial or homeland population.

A&H

Then why did you chose to mark them differently onyour map of claims, or why did you originally write:

Lighter Dark Green is the Italian puppet of the Kingdom of Greece

So....

[Lingang]

Where be the IC?