The Dogs of War [OOC|Open]

[The Jonathanian States]

-things-

1.) Libya IS in my Homeland population as it was part of Metropolitan Italy.
2.) It works either way, As long as Murat doesn't Support Napoleon after his exile i'm fine with whatever Calt does.
3.) I was basing it off of they began to be developed at this point if you looked earlier in the Article, which shows that they began selecting soldiers for "Exploration Units", I should have added in infancy in the Description
5.) Population I'm not sure when I went wrong considering I used Populstats numbers for the 1911-14 period

1) I see.
3)

The ardito concept can be traced back to 1914 when every regiment of the Royal Army was ordered to create a group of explorers trained to act behind enemy lines. The first Arditi units were formed and trained in Sdricca di Manzano, Udine, where the event is still celebrated on the last Sunday in July.[1]

Formed and trained more or less literally right now. Those are not units you can send into combat as Arditi. Also, right no these definitely do not serve the purpose of stormtroopers or anything similar.
5) You mind listing your numbers? I used the following:

36,120,100 (Italy) + 800,000 (Albania 1918) + 938,000 (Littoral) + 530,200 (Krain) + 946,600 (Tyrol, all of it.) = Still not even 40 thousand. Libya, should you have added them to the homeland based on being partially accepted, also are still another half million. Still not bringing us to your 42 million. Heck, it barely is 40 million. I doubt Malta and Crete together have more than 2 million.

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@tJS (My computer is glitching out on me now so I can't quote you properly.)

1. I'll account for Flanders and leave it there.
2. I should've been less hyperbolic, the Dutch are a trade oriented people, and are also progressive due to the nature of their revolutionary foundations, so they are less quick to be highly intolerant of new ideas and peoples.
3. France and the UK didn't have segregation, anti-voter laws and a KKK did they? (Seriously though, correct me if I'm wrong)
4. I'll replace Jingoism with Patriotism then.
5. Alright, if that's when mobilization starts then I'll lower the numbers.
6. The Black Guard were famous for being even more loyal, disciplined and overall superior soldiers to many others, for that reason the Dutch kept the name to keep the connotation of an elite Moroccan force.
7. The Holt Gun will be different in that it will use a custom 7.62x57 mmR cartridge instead of a to pack a slightly bigger punch and avoid it from being used by enemies as they would need to begin manufacturing these custom bullets to re appropriate them for their own use, however, this will also make it heavier and run out of ammo slightly quicker, their placing quality bullets over quantity bullets in this case. This makes it differ from the Russian/German 7.62×54mmR, or British 7.62×51mm ammunition. It also will look more like the Russian Model.
8. There would be Combat Engineer detachments in the DARs I can specify that in the App.
9. AirForce Fixes: Perhaps we finalize it and have 24 of them. Also, these planes would be in essence the Nieuport II (invented and manufactured from 1910) with a machinegun added later in the war. Nothing special.

2) One can't say the dutch as a whole are trade orient as I'm sure only a tiny minority of them are engaged in trade. And the dutch people were not founded in revolution, only their state. But heck, even if they were founded in revolution, it definitely does not imply progressiveness. The fucking french republic dismissed giving women franchise and kept slavery, the Germans became a republic and elected an openly very racist party.
3) On the last one, not AFAIK. On anti-voter laws.... Well, British franchise before WW1 was shit anyway, but no, colonials didn't have the right to vote. At least the native ones, definitely In case of France, I recall that except for Algeria which was considered part of France proper, the colonies did not elect representatives to the french parliament. So sort of? As for segretation.... no idea.
4) That seems more appropriate.
6) They also were a system of nearly slavery, to my understanding.
7) Does that cartridge even exist? The closest I found are this, this, and that. I'd prefer you using real things.
8 ) Wouldn't that possibly slow them down, when operating as LC?

[The Jonathanian States]

Done with edits save the Airforce numbers, I am fully comforatable meeting in the middle, Just need to know where your end be ;U;

263 planes as I believe to have mentioned a time or two.

Also, if anyone has any extra ideologies to suggest, I am all ears


*Edit:

AGGGGG, my page is slid over, what is this heresy?!?

I've no idea on the latter. As for the former, I'll look at your app again later. I'd assume Monarchism, Imperialism, Reaction, Pan-Slavism/(Pan-Slavic-)Nationalism, Autocracy, are rather obvious choices.
Though I recall your ideologies being acceptable as is.

Anyway, once you update on the aircraft I think you'd be good to go.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Done with edits save the Airforce numbers, I am fully comforatable meeting in the middle, Just need to know where your end be ;U;

263 planes as I believe to have mentioned a time or two.

Also, if anyone has any extra ideologies to suggest, I am all ears


*Edit:

AGGGGG, my page is slid over, what is this heresy?!?

I've no idea on the latter. As for the former, I'll look at your app again later. I'd assume Monarchism, Imperialism, Reaction, Pan-Slavism/(Pan-Slavic-)Nationalism, Autocracy, are rather obvious choices.
Though I recall your ideologies being acceptable as is.

Anyway, once you update on the aircraft I think you'd be good to go.

Should be done, went to the middle with airship numbers as well just in case

[The Jonathanian States]

Generic Info
Nation Name: The Empire of All Russias
Symbols: Flag, Seal, National Anthem, Mother Russia, the Russian Bear
Homeland Population: 165 million persons
Imperial Population: -
Location/Claims: Rusland proper as of 1914
Capital City: St. Petersburg

Government Info
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy (Technically) with Autocratic Tendencies (“Tendencies”)
Brief Explanation of Government: While the intention of the state is to have the Monarch exercise legislative power in conjunction with the upper and lower dumas, in these days the Tsar exercises absolutist control over the nation, treating the dumas more as an advisory board and extensively abusing his veto powers to further an autocratic purpose.
Ideology:  Imperialism, Pan-Slavism
Leader/s:  Tsar Nicholas II, Emperor of all Russias, Nikolai Golitsyn, Chairman of the Board of Ministers

Population Info
Brief Description of your people:The Russian people are a hardy people, born into snow and ice, but yearning for freedom and progress in a nation still one foot in the past.
Religion:Eastern Orthodoxy is the practiced state religion, with other faiths dispersed withing the vast territories of the empire.
Ethnicity:Russian, with all of those other peoples that aren't too happy with my brief glossing over of them.
Main/Accepted Culture(s): All the Russians (Truth be told, we need none of this ethic conflict nonsense, the Tsar sees you all as equally below him ;P)
Other Cultures: Other Non-Russian cultures (Anyone who isn't a White, Great, or Little Russian, with even less acceptance for the Semitic peoples of the empire)

Military Info
Army: 1.4 million active troops,
4.1 million reserves
Essentially using the RL Russian numbers, with an extra half million for my own nefarious purposes (I will watch the Rus burn ;U;)

The Russian airforce, though primitive, is also quite large, comprised of 7 airships and 263 aeroplanes, making it the largest in the world at this time.

List of Russian Imperial Armies
Navy: The Russian Navy is divided into three fleets, being the...

-Baltic Fleet:
3 Battleships
4 Cruisers
10 Destroyers
6 Submarines
15 Torpedo Boats
The Best of the Russian fleets, this fleet still lacks the modern nature and general functionality of other world fleets.

-Black Sea Fleet:
1 Battleship
5 Cruisers
8 Destroyers
3 Submarines
18 torpedo Boats

-Pacific Fleet:
1 Cruiser
3 Destroyers
2 Submarines
17 Torpedo Boats
Still recovering after the devestating Russo-Japanese war, the Pacific fleet is essentially a ghost, with ships that are generally better than the black sea fleet, but too few in number to partake in any major operation.


Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy:With the Prohibition of Alchohal in 1914, and massive expenses in maintaining the armed forces and reconstruction of the transit system, the Russian economy, once strong, now stands dangerously close to faltering, as resources are devoted more and more to the war effort and less to the domestic markets.
Goals: Oppress minorities, kill millions, turn the world red with the glorious fires of communism comrades.
History: Basically the same as otl Russia's history, with the added bonus of Nicky being more incompetent, passing legislation shortly before Russia's mobilization to create a “Citizens Travel Corps”, basically the forced movement and enslavement of Tatars and heavily indebted peoples to rebuild railways and roadways in a vain attempt to prepare for the war. (1.4 million very, very angry people you have there, and more are on their way!).He will be abusing this once the war comes by forcibly moving populations into wartime factories to produce odious machines of doom
RP Sample: kittens
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

*Edit: Probably close to done, if there are any major issues in the app, I shall have plenty of time to address those, provided that tis within these two days that I have off.

*Edit II: There is also an enter space that I cannot rid myself of, I did not create it, but it is evil and should be burned at the stake for heresy...

By then power given me by my investiture as Cooperative Operator by Opening Poster Caltarania, I hereby declare thee, for all intents and purposes, ACCEPTED.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Generic Info
Nation Name: The Empire of All Russias
Symbols: Flag, Seal, National Anthem, Mother Russia, the Russian Bear
Homeland Population: 165 million persons
Imperial Population: -
Location/Claims: Rusland proper as of 1914
Capital City: St. Petersburg

Government Info
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy (Technically) with Autocratic Tendencies (“Tendencies”)
Brief Explanation of Government: While the intention of the state is to have the Monarch exercise legislative power in conjunction with the upper and lower dumas, in these days the Tsar exercises absolutist control over the nation, treating the dumas more as an advisory board and extensively abusing his veto powers to further an autocratic purpose.
Ideology:  Imperialism, Pan-Slavism
Leader/s:  Tsar Nicholas II, Emperor of all Russias, Nikolai Golitsyn, Chairman of the Board of Ministers

Population Info
Brief Description of your people:The Russian people are a hardy people, born into snow and ice, but yearning for freedom and progress in a nation still one foot in the past.
Religion:Eastern Orthodoxy is the practiced state religion, with other faiths dispersed withing the vast territories of the empire.
Ethnicity:Russian, with all of those other peoples that aren't too happy with my brief glossing over of them.
Main/Accepted Culture(s): All the Russians (Truth be told, we need none of this ethic conflict nonsense, the Tsar sees you all as equally below him ;P)
Other Cultures: Other Non-Russian cultures (Anyone who isn't a White, Great, or Little Russian, with even less acceptance for the Semitic peoples of the empire)

Military Info
Army: 1.4 million active troops,
4.1 million reserves
Essentially using the RL Russian numbers, with an extra half million for my own nefarious purposes (I will watch the Rus burn ;U;)

The Russian airforce, though primitive, is also quite large, comprised of 7 airships and 263 aeroplanes, making it the largest in the world at this time.

List of Russian Imperial Armies
Navy: The Russian Navy is divided into three fleets, being the...

-Baltic Fleet:
3 Battleships
4 Cruisers
10 Destroyers
6 Submarines
15 Torpedo Boats
The Best of the Russian fleets, this fleet still lacks the modern nature and general functionality of other world fleets.

-Black Sea Fleet:
1 Battleship
5 Cruisers
8 Destroyers
3 Submarines
18 torpedo Boats

-Pacific Fleet:
1 Cruiser
3 Destroyers
2 Submarines
17 Torpedo Boats
Still recovering after the devestating Russo-Japanese war, the Pacific fleet is essentially a ghost, with ships that are generally better than the black sea fleet, but too few in number to partake in any major operation.


Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy:With the Prohibition of Alchohal in 1914, and massive expenses in maintaining the armed forces and reconstruction of the transit system, the Russian economy, once strong, now stands dangerously close to faltering, as resources are devoted more and more to the war effort and less to the domestic markets.
Goals: Oppress minorities, kill millions, turn the world red with the glorious fires of communism comrades.
History: Basically the same as otl Russia's history, with the added bonus of Nicky being more incompetent, passing legislation shortly before Russia's mobilization to create a “Citizens Travel Corps”, basically the forced movement and enslavement of Tatars and heavily indebted peoples to rebuild railways and roadways in a vain attempt to prepare for the war. (1.4 million very, very angry people you have there, and more are on their way!).He will be abusing this once the war comes by forcibly moving populations into wartime factories to produce odious machines of doom
RP Sample: kittens
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

*Edit: Probably close to done, if there are any major issues in the app, I shall have plenty of time to address those, provided that tis within these two days that I have off.

*Edit II: There is also an enter space that I cannot rid myself of, I did not create it, but it is evil and should be burned at the stake for heresy...

By then power given me by my investiture as Cooperative Operator by Opening Poster Caltarania, I hereby declare thee, for all intents and purposes, ACCEPTED.

Cries tears of joy ;U;

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Yay lets get an IC now

[The Jonathanian States]

Yay lets get an IC now

Before we do that we'll need a new France, as Calt just confirmed to me that he will not be able to be active as it.

[Alouite]

2) One can't say the dutch as a whole are trade orient as I'm sure only a tiny minority of them are engaged in trade. And the dutch people were not founded in revolution, only their state. But heck, even if they were founded in revolution, it definitely does not imply progressiveness. The fucking french republic dismissed giving women franchise and kept slavery, the Germans became a republic and elected an openly very racist party.
3) On the last one, not AFAIK. On anti-voter laws.... Well, British franchise before WW1 was shit anyway, but no, colonials didn't have the right to vote. At least the native ones, definitely In case of France, I recall that except for Algeria which was considered part of France proper, the colonies did not elect representatives to the french parliament. So sort of? As for segretation.... no idea.
4) That seems more appropriate.
6) They also were a system of nearly slavery, to my understanding.
7) Does that cartridge even exist? The closest I found are this, this, and that. I'd prefer you using real things.
8 ) Wouldn't that possibly slow them down, when operating as LC?

2&3)Well regardless, they don't have segregation and perhaps I can add that they stereotypically like to take a moral high ground over other European and world powers by claiming their more civilized due to their religious protections. Anyhow, they don't recognize non-Abrahamic gods as legitimate and consider it mysticism. As for segregation, they're the same as how the French didn't at the time (at the least at the homeland, not sure about colonies, would need to study more). Also, Moroccans and Indonesians vote for local governments, not for their overlord PC (Premier Consul).

6) They were, things can change with time, just like they did IRL, they were renamed the Moroccan Royal guard and are now an elite personnel security unit for the king and are picked from the best of the best in the Moroccan Armed Forces.

7) Sure it does exist, you won't find it on Wikipedia since people switched to other more produced and standardized sizes, but it was used in Mausers back in the day. It isn't common nowadays IRL, it was used specifically by the Mauser Model 1893 Bolt Action rifle. It was even used in the Spanish Civil war by rebel forces.

8 ) Not at all, those specific detachments would act as engineers when deemed necessary, if this is not needed they would remain separate from the main DAR unit and serve as engineers for when engineers are needed staying near the battle for rapid deployment when called upon. They are specialized and would only serve a basic task, repair anything that needs repairs and kill anyone that gets in the way. They would be given back up of course like any other combat specialty unit such as medics and radiomen, but unless they were retreating they wouldn't slow anyone down, they'd stay behind and keep repairing what needed to be repaired.

[Liecthenbourg]

Yay lets get an IC now

Before we do that we'll need a new France, as Calt just confirmed to me that he will not be able to be active as it.

If the need arises I suppose I could switch nations?

I mean, if times do get desperate

Or well, maybe someone else wants to be France now that its open.

Time will tell.

[Lingang]

Yay lets get an IC now

Before we do that we'll need a new France, as Calt just confirmed to me that he will not be able to be active as it.

Hey, was my reservation accepted?
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=26241843#p26241843

[The Jonathanian States]

2) One can't say the dutch as a whole are trade orient as I'm sure only a tiny minority of them are engaged in trade. And the dutch people were not founded in revolution, only their state. But heck, even if they were founded in revolution, it definitely does not imply progressiveness. The fucking french republic dismissed giving women franchise and kept slavery, the Germans became a republic and elected an openly very racist party.
3) On the last one, not AFAIK. On anti-voter laws.... Well, British franchise before WW1 was shit anyway, but no, colonials didn't have the right to vote. At least the native ones, definitely In case of France, I recall that except for Algeria which was considered part of France proper, the colonies did not elect representatives to the french parliament. So sort of? As for segretation.... no idea.
4) That seems more appropriate.
6) They also were a system of nearly slavery, to my understanding.
7) Does that cartridge even exist? The closest I found are this, this, and that. I'd prefer you using real things.
8 ) Wouldn't that possibly slow them down, when operating as LC?

2&3)Well regardless, they don't have segregation and perhaps I can add that they stereotypically like to take a moral high ground over other European and world powers by claiming their more civilized due to their religious protections. Anyhow, they don't recognize non-Abrahamic gods as legitimate and consider it mysticism. As for segregation, they're the same as how the French didn't at the time (at the least at the homeland, not sure about colonies, would need to study more). Also, Moroccans and Indonesians vote for local governments, not for their overlord PC (Premier Consul).

I'm really not convinced, yet. I feel you are looking at this with a modern perspective.

6) They were, things can change with time, just like they did IRL, they were renamed the Moroccan Royal guard and are now an elite personnel security unit for the king and are picked from the best of the best in the Moroccan Armed Forces.

Exactly. They were renamed the Moroccan Royal Guard, because the previous name had a massive tainted history.

7) Sure it does exist, you won't find it on Wikipedia since people switched to other more produced and standardized sizes,

That's funny, I just did a google search and of the five results that turned up, your earlier post in this very thread was the first.
It was followed by two results on a Montenegrin forum, followed in turn by this link.
Going by its name it seemed useful, until I saw its content:

7.62 x 57 mm Mauser
The 7.92×57mm Mauser (designated as the 8mm Mauser or 8×57mm by the SAAMI and 8 × 57 IS by the C.I.P.) is a rimless bottlenecked rifle cartridge. The 7.92×57mm Mauser cartridge was adopted by the German Empire in 1905, and was the German service cartridge in both World Wars. In its day, the 7.92×57mm Mauser cartridge was one of the world’s most popular military cartridges. In the 21st century it is still a popular sport and hunting cartridge that is factory produced in Europe and the United States.

This is an excerpt from the article 7.62 x 57 mm Mauser from the Wikipedia free encyclopedia. A list of authors is available at Wikipedia.

Note also that the mentioned article does not exist, unlike the article for the 7.92
Followed by a last link on the same site, in which case it is merely briefly mentioned in what seems to be a comment.

So it most definitely is not only wikipedia.

but it was used in Mausers back in the day. It isn't common nowadays IRL, it was used specifically by the Mauser Model 1893 Bolt Action rifle.

Now this is something rather useful, rather than talking about wikipedia not having it. Why?

Spanish M93

The Spanish Model M1893 is commonly referred to as the "Spanish Mauser", though the model was adopted by other countries in other calibers, most notably the Ottoman Empire. The M93 introduced a short staggered-column box magazine as standard, holding five smokeless 7×57mm Mauser rounds flush with the bottom of the rifle, which could be reloaded quickly by pushing a strip of rounds from the top of the open bolt. It still had only two locking lugs.

The new 7×57mm round, which used a 173 gr (11.2 g) full metal jacket bullet developing 700 m/s (2,300 ft/s) from a 29 inches (74 cm) barrel, became the standard infantry arm for the Spanish armed forces, as well as for the military of several Latin-American nations. It is known as the "7mm Mauser".

And it's funny, because earlier when I didn't find the 1.62x57 mmR, I listed three possible alternatives:

7) Does that cartridge even exist? The closest I found are this, this, and that.

So there it is, that second one. Anyway, searching through it for "62" only leads to two places in which the bullet weight is noted, specifically 162g.

So interestingly enough you'd be using a German cartridge. I'm not sure they'd be willing or allowed to outsource, so there's that.

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Just for reference we have a Mexican RPer - sveltlana.

Damn. Oh well.
Well, I'll just take Venezuela. I would call it Republic of Colombia, but there's already a Columbia. Hopefully Venezuela isn't claimed or anything...

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Reservation:
Location: Mirar, señor!
Nation Name: Republic of Greater Venezuela
635 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

Here I'd like to state that I'm not quite the OP, but sure....
So, for your reservation... I'd have expected any state on roughly your borders to call itself Gran Colombia. But I guess you could be Greater Venezuela.
Also, are you sure of having these exact borders in Loreto? They seem rather.... unaesthetic.

[Kisinger]

Custom Cartridges are bad ideas(though it really isn't) Because if your stockpile or front line troops run out of ammunition(even temporally) they are out of the fight for an extended period of time and are no longer combat effective. AKA, they become surrender monkies

[Alouite]

That's funny, I just did a google search and of the five results that turned up, your earlier post in this very thread was the first.
It was followed by two results on a Montenegrin forum, followed in turn by this link.
Going by its name it seemed useful, until I saw its content:

7.62 x 57 mm Mauser
The 7.92×57mm Mauser (designated as the 8mm Mauser or 8×57mm by the SAAMI and 8 × 57 IS by the C.I.P.) is a rimless bottlenecked rifle cartridge. The 7.92×57mm Mauser cartridge was adopted by the German Empire in 1905, and was the German service cartridge in both World Wars. In its day, the 7.92×57mm Mauser cartridge was one of the world’s most popular military cartridges. In the 21st century it is still a popular sport and hunting cartridge that is factory produced in Europe and the United States.

This is an excerpt from the article 7.62 x 57 mm Mauser from the Wikipedia free encyclopedia. A list of authors is available at Wikipedia.

Note also that the mentioned article does not exist, unlike the article for the 7.92
Followed by a last link on the same site, in which case it is merely briefly mentioned in what seems to be a comment.

So it most definitely is not only wikipedia.

but it was used in Mausers back in the day. It isn't common nowadays IRL, it was used specifically by the Mauser Model 1893 Bolt Action rifle.

Now this is something rather useful, rather than talking about wikipedia not having it. Why?

Spanish M93

The Spanish Model M1893 is commonly referred to as the "Spanish Mauser", though the model was adopted by other countries in other calibers, most notably the Ottoman Empire. The M93 introduced a short staggered-column box magazine as standard, holding five smokeless 7×57mm Mauser rounds flush with the bottom of the rifle, which could be reloaded quickly by pushing a strip of rounds from the top of the open bolt. It still had only two locking lugs.

The new 7×57mm round, which used a 173 gr (11.2 g) full metal jacket bullet developing 700 m/s (2,300 ft/s) from a 29 inches (74 cm) barrel, became the standard infantry arm for the Spanish armed forces, as well as for the military of several Latin-American nations. It is known as the "7mm Mauser".

And it's funny, because earlier when I didn't find the 1.62x57 mmR, I listed three possible alternatives:

7) Does that cartridge even exist? The closest I found are this, this, and that.

So there it is, that second one. Anyway, searching through it for "62" only leads to two places in which the bullet weight is noted, specifically 162g.

So interestingly enough you'd be using a German cartridge. I'm not sure they'd be willing or allowed to outsource, so there's that.

1. No, back then that wouldn't carry negative connotation in Morocco, a nation that still had and condoned the racist Black Guard, and honestly, since you said the Dutch can't be against racism, they couldn't care less about the history of a former slave unit.
2.Ugh, if you want me to change the caliber then I'll double down for a 7.62 x 70 mm, a round only produced in a small batch in real life, but comparable to similar calibers, the idea is the dutch get their own MG caliber to avoid re-appropriation by enemy forces.

[Alouite]

Custom Cartridges are bad ideas(though it really isn't) Because if your stockpile or front line troops run out of ammunition(even temporally) they are out of the fight for an extended period of time and are no longer combat effective. AKA, they become surrender monkies

That happens anyways, the Brits, French, Russians and Germans rarely shared ammo, why should we do what secondary powers do and follow in line with greater powers when we can make our own glorious dutch caliber, and one based in reality too.

[The Jonathanian States]

Custom Cartridges are bad ideas(though it really isn't) Because if your stockpile or front line troops run out of ammunition(even temporally) they are out of the fight for an extended period of time and are no longer combat effective. AKA, they become surrender monkies

That happens anyways, the Brits, French, Russians and Germans rarely shared ammo, why should we do what secondary powers do and follow in line with greater powers when we can make our own glorious dutch caliber, and one based in reality too.

Because the caliber you know as the 7.62x57 is an actual German-produced caliber?

1. No, back then that wouldn't carry negative connotation in Morocco, a nation that still had and condoned the racist Black Guard,

It was independent Morocco that changed their name, and it did so some time after they stopped being more or less property of the King, possibly as much as 56 years later.

and honestly, since you said the Dutch can't be against racism,

I don't believe ever explicitly saying that.

they couldn't care less about the history of a former slave unit.

Could. They could care less.
Anyway, maybe.

2.Ugh, if you want me to change the caliber then I'll double down for a 7.62 x 70 mm,

I did not say that.

a round only produced in a small batch in real life, but comparable to similar calibers,

mhm.

the idea is the dutch get their own MG caliber to avoid re-appropriation by enemy forces.

Except your original caliber was primarily fucking produced in bloody Germany.

[Kisinger]

Custom Cartridges are bad ideas(though it really isn't) Because if your stockpile or front line troops run out of ammunition(even temporally) they are out of the fight for an extended period of time and are no longer combat effective. AKA, they become surrender monkies

That happens anyways, the Brits, French, Russians and Germans rarely shared ammo, why should we do what secondary powers do and follow in line with greater powers when we can make our own glorious dutch caliber, and one based in reality too.

Except the fact that British and French Units(not all units) used .303 and could easily resupply each other on the front line. Kinda like how a majority of NATO Nations use similar cartridges in their weapons....

[Lingang]

Reservation:
Location: Mirar, señor!
Nation Name: Republic of Greater Venezuela
635 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

Here I'd like to state that I'm not quite the OP, but sure....
So, for your reservation... I'd have expected any state on roughly your borders to call itself Gran Colombia. But I guess you could be Greater Venezuela.
Also, are you sure of having these exact borders in Loreto? They seem rather.... unaesthetic.

Yeah, those are my borders.
Actually, it was just called the Republic of Colombia back then. "Gran" Colombia is a term coined to distinguish it from modern day Colombia, IIRC.

I'll start making my application.

[Alouite]

That happens anyways, the Brits, French, Russians and Germans rarely shared ammo, why should we do what secondary powers do and follow in line with greater powers when we can make our own glorious dutch caliber, and one based in reality too.

Because the caliber you know as the 7.62x57 is an actual German-produced caliber?

1. No, back then that wouldn't carry negative connotation in Morocco, a nation that still had and condoned the racist Black Guard,

It was independent Morocco that changed their name, and it did so some time after they stopped being more or less property of the King, possibly as much as 56 years later.

and honestly, since you said the Dutch can't be against racism,

I don't believe ever explicitly saying that.

they couldn't care less about the history of a former slave unit.

Could. They could care less.
Anyway, maybe.

2.Ugh, if you want me to change the caliber then I'll double down for a 7.62 x 70 mm,

I did not say that.

a round only produced in a small batch in real life, but comparable to similar calibers,

mhm.

the idea is the dutch get their own MG caliber to avoid re-appropriation by enemy forces.

Except your original caliber was primarily fucking produced in bloody Germany.

1) Anti-racism laws are not allowed, and yet the people are allowed to be against racism? It can't be both, tell me which is acceptable, because people against racism would want laws to further their views.
2) Look, I'll take the 7.62x70 mmR, I made a mistake in picking the German made one, and I'm going back on that call. Thinking it through more it would defeat the purpose of having a less common (Worldwide, obviously it the 7.62x70 mmR be fairly common for the dutch forces and produced at home) round if the Germans invaded.

[Lunas Legion]

People can be not racist and not want anti-racism laws. There isn't a single country IRL at this time that has individual discrimination banned, IIRC.

[Alouite]

That happens anyways, the Brits, French, Russians and Germans rarely shared ammo, why should we do what secondary powers do and follow in line with greater powers when we can make our own glorious dutch caliber, and one based in reality too.

Except the fact that British and French Units(not all units) used .303 and could easily resupply each other on the front line. Kinda like how a majority of NATO Nations use similar cartridges in their weapons....

Fair point, but that was based on the fact that they were allied with each other and thus it was practical. I have no idea who the Dutch will ally with IC, so for now we aren't going to take chances and do that. It could change like the French did switching over to the .303, but for now we go our own way.

[Alouite]

People can be not racist and not want anti-racism laws. There isn't a single country IRL at this time that has individual discrimination banned, IIRC.

Yeah, there are plenty of anti-racism laws however, especially in the workplace. a law that banned racial discrimination in the workplace was the law that tJS told me was too progressive for the time, which is fair, so I did away with it and removed it from the AH.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

That happens anyways, the Brits, French, Russians and Germans rarely shared ammo, why should we do what secondary powers do and follow in line with greater powers when we can make our own glorious dutch caliber, and one based in reality too.

Except the fact that British and French Units(not all units) used .303 and could easily resupply each other on the front line. Kinda like how a majority of NATO Nations use similar cartridges in their weapons....

I thought we used the SAME cartridge?

[Lunas Legion]

Except the fact that British and French Units(not all units) used .303 and could easily resupply each other on the front line. Kinda like how a majority of NATO Nations use similar cartridges in their weapons....

I thought we used the SAME cartridge?

I thought so too. NATO 7.62x51 IIRC.

[Alouite]

I thought we used the SAME cartridge?

I thought so too. NATO 7.62x51 IIRC.

Regardless, NATO and the Entente are allies, and thus common ammunition is practical, having the same ammunition as the enemy? Not so much.

[Lunas Legion]

I thought so too. NATO 7.62x51 IIRC.

Regardless, NATO and the Entente are allies, and thus common ammunition is practical, having the same ammunition as the enemy? Not so much.

Who's to say who your enemy will be? IRL the Romanians used an ammo type designed in A-H, but since it was a different ammo type to the A-H standard, it didn't matter. Then the Romanians ended up fighting A-H in WW1.

Plus I haven't found any evidence that the French used the .303 in any of their rifles. They might have just used British .303 MLE and SLMEs though, considering the number produced.