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Alouite
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Postby Alouite » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:36 pm

Generic Info
Nation Name: The United Batavian Republic | The Second Batavian Republic
Symbols: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... public.svg
Homeland Population: 6,435,000
Imperial Population: 26,515,000
Location/Claims: In Orange: WIP
Capital City: Amsterdam

Government Info
Government Type: Constitutional Meritocratic Revolutionary Republic
Brief Explanation of Government: There are provincial colonial governments that recognize local customs and promote Dutch as a financial language along with secularism as a stance on state religion. The Government itself has an Executive Branch consisting of the Premier Consul whom is elected every five years, the National Governor whom is appointed by the Premier Consul, and his Personal Council of Advisers whom he appoints and can delegate authorities to if the position is established and the man is verified by the Consul. The Consul is the second form of government, each province can elect two consul representatives throughout the Mainland and Suriname where elections are conducted half a year early and the results are withheld to be tallied along side Mainland votes. The Consul is voted in through popular votes. The Premier Consul is also elected in this manner. There is also a National Court which upholds the Bill of Rights and Batavian Constitution. These rights include freedom of religion, speech and press among other things, the National Court's members are voted in through the Consul and every ten years they contest the right to remain on the Court. Local government is run by Provincial and Colonial governors whom can address anything unmentioned in National Law, and cannot vote to leave the Batavian Republic nor to override a National Law. The Consul is re-elected every five years, but during the second year of the Primier Consul's term so as to allow time between election cycles. Petitions are allowed to be made by the people, any petition that reaches over 150,000 signatures will instantly be placed on the Consul floor, though this number is adjustable in the future for eventual population growth.
Ideology: Classical liberalism, Individualism, Progressivism, Romantic nationalism, Expansionist nationalism, Civic nationalism, Anti-Xenophobic, Jingoism, Militarism
Leader/s: Premier Consul Wilhelm Johann Simonis (Goes by William John Simonson in English)

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: Tolerant, Diverse and Jingoistic, the Batavian Republican people are prided in Progressive, Romantic, Militarist, Imperialist, Individualist and Civic Nationalist politics. Because of this they are good at assimilating foreign peoples as local customs are promoted.
Religion: Secularism recognizing all Branches of Christianity, Sunni Islam, Judaism, and Agnosticism.
Ethnicity: Dutch, Flemish, Moroccan,
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Dutch, Flemish, Moroccan, Berber, Indonesian, German (Key: Main/Accepted)
Other Cultures: N/A

Military Info
Armed Forces: 1,275,750 (Less than 5% of Population)
Army: 800,000

Service Pistol(s): FN M1900, FN, M1905, FN M1910, Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless (Army Rangers)
Service Rifle(s): Marlin Model 1894 (Line Infantry), Winchester Model 1907 (Army Rangers), Ross rifle (Most Colonial Units)
Service Machinegun: Hotchkiss M1909, Holt Gun
Drill Rifle: Lebel Model 1886

Batavian Republican Army: 300,000
-Dutch Army Rangers: 10,000 (Light Dragoons)
-National Dragoons: 15,000 (Conventional Dragoons)
-Dutch Artillery Corps: 40,000
-Revolutionary Guard: 500
-Dutch National Air Division: 5,000
-National Armed Forces: 229,500

Moroccan Corps: 300,000
-Moroccan National Army Rangers: 10,000
-Royal Moroccan Cavalry Corps: 15,000
-Moroccan Artillery Corps: 25,000
-Royal Guard: 500
-Black Guard: 5,000
-Moroccan National Guard: 200,000
-Moroccan Coldstream Guard: 44,500

Indonesian Corps: 150,000
-Indonesian Colonial Army Rangers: 10,000
-Indonesian Colonial Cavalry Corps: 10,000
-Indonesian Colonial Artillery Corps: 15,000
-Indonesian National Guard: 100,000
-Indonesian Revolutionary Guard: 1,000
-Indonesian Mercantile Army Corps: 10,000
-Indonesian Local Militias: 3,500
-Indonesian Colonial Guard: 500

Batavian Suriname Corps: 50,000
-Dutch Suriname Army Rangers: 10,000
-Suriname Jungle Cavalry Corps: 5,000
-Colonial Guard: 35,000

Navy: 475,750 (Will specify w/ ships later)

Standard Pistol: Savage Model 1907
Standard Rifle: Ross rifle
Machine Guns: Modified Maxim Gun (Called "Holt Gun")
Drill Rifle: Baker rifle

-Dutch North Sea Fleet: 250,000 (10 Dreadnoughts, 15 Pre-Dreadnought Battleships, 8 Armored Cruisers, 15 Protected Cruisers, 3 Scout Cruisers, 35 Destroyers, 18 Submarines)
-Dutch Suriname Fleet: 50,000 (6 Pre-Dreadnought Battleships, 2 Armored Cruisers, 4 Protected Cruisers, 1 Scout Cruiser, 8 Destroyers, 4 Submarines)
-Dutch East Indies Fleet: 75,000 (2 Dreadnaughts, 9 Pre-Dreadnought Battleships, 4 Armoured Cruisers, 2 Scout Cruisers, 17 Destroyers, 9 Submarines)
-National Revolutionary Diplomatic Transport Division: 750 (1 Pre-Dreadnought Battleship "Queen of Indochina", and 1 Scout Cruiser)

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Seeing a growth in wealth due to colonial imports and Industrialization at home and abroad, the Dutch Economy is strengthening and the middle class is expanding and there are reasonable business regulations in place.
Goals: Maintain the Dutch Domain and further Dutch trade and military interests worldwide.
History: Formed on January 19th, 1795 by Revolutionary France, the Batavian Republic was initially short lived until the re-establishment of monarchy under the House of Napoleon. However, when the Napoleonic forces were defeated in the battle of Waterloo in 1815, the Dutch House of Orange family regained solid power over the Netherlands under the leadership of King William the First of Orange-Nassau and went on to retain this power for the next 60 years, though there always was a republican revolutionary minority that met privately and continued dreams of a united and free Batavia. During this time they expanded trade into failing Spaniard colonies and began to influence areas of the world such as the Rif in Morocco and Indonesia, the Padri War (1821–1837) consolidated Dutch power in the region of Indonesia, and the Java War (1825–1830) irradiated the largest resistance movement and saw the depopulation of large areas to make way for Dutch colonists and merchants. The Reformed Church was declared the official religion, and King William the First of Orange-Nassau ruled with an even hand until his death in 1847 which occurred under odd conditions.

His son William the Second whom fell heavily ill shortly after abdicated the throne to his younger brother Frederick whom claimed there were assassins about due to the odd coincidences of his Father and less than a year later, his older brothers death. During his ten years of rule he increased repression throughout the Dutch realm, which led to early frustrations between the commoners and the royalty. When he died his son Alexander rose to the throne and took after the repressive side of his father instituting harsh treatment of the common man and so the first riot occurred on November 11th, 1859 in Amsterdam as people demanded fair treatment, and furthermore a reform to limit the king's power. King Alexander hated these ideas and sent in a force of three thousand men to crush the revolt. This only kindled the fire however as a call for Napoleonic scale reform was made by the revolutionary minority which was now gaining traction, a conference to discuss terms of such an uprising between the prominent radical figures of the time was held in a small building in Utrecht, however, able to detect the increase of revolutionaries in the area, the revolutionaries were arrested and the Dutch Army began cracking down on locals more strictly. For over half a decade it stayed this way with harsh tension between the common man and the crown and occasional skirmishes.

However, in 1867, on June 1st, the King's birthday, the Revolutionaries rose up to defeat the crown in a war called the Birthday Revolution. For three years the civil war raged on, however, as traders began switching to the revolutionary side due to revolutionary rhetoric becoming increasingly popular and the tide began to shift. With the Battle of Antwerp the King ordered the execution of four prominent revolutionaries which led to the Second Amsterdam Uprising and saw the arrest of the King by the Revolutionary Guard whom stormed the city during the riots. On January 19th, 1870, the 75th Anniversary of the Batavian Republic, the Second Batavian Republic was established immediately demanding universal suffrage for all male voters regardless of religion, stature, or wealth. The Batavian Republic began to move towards secularism and individualism. On September 22nd of the year 1873 the Secular Restoration Act was signed re-instating the Napoleonic Freedom of Religion stance, and giving tax breaks to any religious foundation that fit non-threatening categories.

In the year 1874, the Spanish declared war on the Netherlands viewing the new republic as weak and accusing them of several dishonest trade practices. However, with a weaker Navy (The Dutch Navy was unaffected by the revolution which only took place on land), the Spanish were no match for the Dutch Fleet which had been rapidly shipbuilding since the end of the Napoleonic Wars and modernized before the revolution. With a strong fleet and a half-blind eye from the Protestant United Kingdom which had begun to see good trade relations with the Batavians, the Dutch landed in the Canaries and fought for eight months before securing the Islands. Demanding this as a concession from the Spanish in exchange for the end of a blockade on their colonial ports. The Spaniards eventually signed a very aggressively worded white peace agreement which painted the Spaniards as unreasonable aggressors, but otherwise only saw that the Batavians were seen as powerful as the former Kingdom of the Netherlands.

After the war, in 1878, former Army General Johann Tunison formed the Dutch Army Rangers, a highly maneuverable light cavalry and infantry dragoon unit that's aim is to be usable in both colonial and European terrain. These Dutch Army Rangers are light cavalry/infantry whom can scout, ambush, augment larger forces, and set up forts for use by other units among other things. With the rise of Batavian nationalism after beating a former world power, the Dutch declared war on the Sultanate of Morocco after a trade dispute in 1882 where the Moroccans claimed several trade agreements were between the King of Morocco and the Dutch King, not a Batavian Republic. The Invasion of Tangiers soon saw an increase in traction. Local liberties were low, and Dutch introduction of economic opportunities and progressive culture coincided with a pretender movement in Morocco,one of the Moroccan princes supported the some of the Dutch reforms and saw a chance to make a deal with the Dutch. He raised an Army of revolutionaries to liberate Morocco and the Dutch immediately pledged support in exchange for a protector contract where they would install him as Sultan of Fez, which the Prince eventually accepted. The Moroccan revolutionaries and Dutch Forces met in Fez and soon launched a force to take Marrakesh of 9,000 Dutch Army Rangers, 12,000 Dutch Regulars and 13,000 Moroccan revolutionaries. The Moroccan loyalists were unable to resist the modernized forces despite 45,000 forces defending the capital. With the capital besieged the Moroccan pretender was made the Monarch of the Rif in exchange for him accepting a protectorate agreement which required them to be in a permanent alliance and trade agreement with the dutch and have a constitutional monarchy in exchange for technology, foreign goods at low prices, protection by the now respectable Dutch Navy, and a promise of expansion southward in the eventual future to help his family consolidate power as the new helm of the Alaouite family.

The Atlas Mountains were rich in phosphorous, a known explosive, and used it to transform the Atlas Mountains into a railed region that in the next few decades created the Moroccan National Railroad. The Dutch also began building railways along with canals and a Monument to the soldiers who fought in the Batavian-Spanish war called the "Batavian Freedom Monument" which was built in Amsterdam with a smaller copy in Tangiers which was approved by the Sultan as a collective insult to the Spanish across the strait. The War with Spain became romanticized and was called the "War of Batavian Prestige and Restoration" and was considered a justification for why the Republic was superior to Monarchies such as Spain from then on in politics. As the Bavatian republic fought four wars with Algerian nomadic rebels in the East of the Rif consolidating their grip over those areas and proving their use to the Fezzan Sultan. In 1892 the Batavian Republic began improving relations with the United States of Columbia and began emulating their policy to avoid large wars with European Major Powers.

Since then the Netherlands has seen an increase in support for its secular politics, stabilization among it's territories and the standardization of currencies under the New Guilder, and under the Metric System in scientific and economic regards. The Batavian Army now has been conducting Air Flight Research since 1907 though it has largely evolved in it's goals, and has been modernizing and standardizing all of it's forces to use service weapons with some specialized weapons for certain units. They contracted the Browning co. and after a fair negotiation had them open a factory in Amsterdam and Rotterdam soon after this negotiation they made the FN M1900-M1910 series standard issue. Léon Nagant invented the Nagant M1895 in the Netherlands as well and it was made standard issue for all Army Rangers. Additional weapons were added to this list. The Navy used the Ross rifle along with Moroccan, Indonesian and Suriname forces. The construction of the Atlas Aeroplane is underway and telegraph stations have been set up throughout the nation to provide communication between military posts. Most recently, the Batavian Union Party has been elected into office to set regulatory policy with former admiral, military governor of Suriname, Mayor of Amsterdam, and Consul in the National Assembly, Wilhelm J. Simonis (Referred to in English as William Simonson) and in his first year he passed the Anti-Trust & Workplace Regulation act setting a minimum wage, higher taxes on the rich, the official recognition of labor unions, and workplace standards in reaction to those said to exist in Columbia in the Jungle by Upton Sinclair also being found present in the Batavian Republic, finally, religion based discrimination in the workplace were banned to ensure fair competition for jobs, this act, signed in 1912 became the staple of Wilhelm's policy, and in two years when he runs for re-election, he is currently set to have a high voter turnout due to several minor voter reforms that allow for early vote casting and anonymous voting booths.
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The Industrial States of Columbia
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Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:34 pm

Generic Info
Nation Name: The Empire of All Russias
Symbols: Flag, Seal, National Anthem, Mother Russia, the Russian Bear
Homeland Population: 165 million persons
Imperial Population: -
Location/Claims: Rusland proper as of 1914
Capital City: St. Petersburg

Government Info
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy (Technically) with Autocratic Tendencies (“Tendencies”)
Brief Explanation of Government: While the intention of the state is to have the Monarch exercise legislative power in conjunction with the upper and lower dumas, in these days the Tsar exercises absolutist control over the nation, treating the dumas more as an advisory board and extensively abusing his veto powers to further an autocratic purpose.
Ideology:  Imperialism, Pan-Slavism
Leader/s:  Tsar Nicholas II, Emperor of all Russias, Nikolai Golitsyn, Chairman of the Board of Ministers

Population Info
Brief Description of your people:The Russian people are a hardy people, born into snow and ice, but yearning for freedom and progress in a nation still one foot in the past.
Religion:Eastern Orthodoxy is the practiced state religion, with other faiths dispersed withing the vast territories of the empire.
Ethnicity:Russian, with all of those other peoples that aren't too happy with my brief glossing over of them.
Main/Accepted Culture(s): All the Russians (Truth be told, we need none of this ethic conflict nonsense, the Tsar sees you all as equally below him ;P)
Other Cultures: Other Non-Russian cultures (Anyone who isn't a White, Great, or Little Russian, with even less acceptance for the Semitic peoples of the empire)

Military Info
Army: 1.4 million active troops,
4.1 million reserves
Essentially using the RL Russian numbers, with an extra half million for my own nefarious purposes (I will watch the Rus burn ;U;)

The Russian airforce, though primitive, is also quite large, comprised of 7 airships and 263 aeroplanes, making it the largest in the world at this time.

List of Russian Imperial Armies
Navy: The Russian Navy is divided into three fleets, being the...

-Baltic Fleet:
3 Battleships
4 Cruisers
10 Destroyers
6 Submarines
15 Torpedo Boats
The Best of the Russian fleets, this fleet still lacks the modern nature and general functionality of other world fleets.

-Black Sea Fleet:
1 Battleship
5 Cruisers
8 Destroyers
3 Submarines
18 torpedo Boats

-Pacific Fleet:
1 Cruiser
3 Destroyers
2 Submarines
17 Torpedo Boats
Still recovering after the devestating Russo-Japanese war, the Pacific fleet is essentially a ghost, with ships that are generally better than the black sea fleet, but too few in number to partake in any major operation.


Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy:With the Prohibition of Alchohal in 1914, and massive expenses in maintaining the armed forces and reconstruction of the transit system, the Russian economy, once strong, now stands dangerously close to faltering, as resources are devoted more and more to the war effort and less to the domestic markets.
Goals: Oppress minorities, kill millions, turn the world red with the glorious fires of communism comrades.
History: Basically the same as otl Russia's history, with the added bonus of Nicky being more incompetent, passing legislation shortly before Russia's mobilization to create a “Citizens Travel Corps”, basically the forced movement and enslavement of Tatars and heavily indebted peoples to rebuild railways and roadways in a vain attempt to prepare for the war. (1.4 million very, very angry people you have there, and more are on their way!).He will be abusing this once the war comes by forcibly moving populations into wartime factories to produce odious machines of doom :)
RP Sample: kittens
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*Edit: Probably close to done, if there are any major issues in the app, I shall have plenty of time to address those, provided that tis within these two days that I have off.

*Edit II: There is also an enter space that I cannot rid myself of, I did not create it, but it is evil and should be burned at the stake for heresy...
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Postby Elepis » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:30 am

I see the roster has been updated
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Postby The Jonathanian States » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:15 pm

*cracks knuckles* Time to hand out some Cooperative Operation.
Disclaimer: This time I'm operating on my own, so Calt, Liecth, and Glit might have differing judgements.

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:-Reaction to First Review of App-

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Population in European claims is on the low side due to me not wanting to do the islands on populstat

36,120,100 (Italy) + 800,000 (Albania 1918) + 938,000 (Littoral) + 530,200 (Krain) + 946,600 (Tyrol, all of it.) = Still not even 40 thousand. Libya, should you have added them to the homeland based on being partially accepted, also are still another half million. Still not bringing us to your 42 million. Heck, it barely is 40 million. I doubt Malta and Crete together have more than 2 million.
My country is also based on the 100 days not happening.

To my understanding your country is based on Napoleon attempting to do what would become the 100 days, only for Murat to reveal his plans and in return receive permission to remain on his throne.
1815: Murat decides against supporting Napoleons return from Elba, and exposes his plans to the Coalition, swaying support in favour of Murat keeping the throne in the Treaty of Vienna.

Calt's history has him not trying due to a lack of a Bourbon restoration.
I honestly have no ideas of the troop numbers, maybe just take troop numbers of WW1?

Generally one should go for roughly a percent, give or take some. I see that in 1915 Italy had 5,000,000 soldiers, but considering the total population that has to be post-draft, rather than the peace-time size.
Storm troopers actually existed at this as the Arditi are something I took out of real life,

Not. In. Fucking. 1914
Arditi was the name adopted by Royal Italian Army elite storm troops of World War I. The name derives from the Italian verb ardire ("to dare") and translates as "The Daring Ones".

Reparti d'assalto (Assault Units) were formed in the summer of 1917 by Colonel Bassi, and were assigned the tactical role of shock troops, breaching enemy defenses in order to prepare the way for a broad infantry advance. The Arditi were not units within infantry divisions, but were considered a separate combat arm.

The Reparti d'assalto were successful in bringing in a degree of movement to what had previously been a war of entrenched positions. Their exploits on the battlefield were exemplary and they gained an illustrious place in Italian military history. They were demobilized by 1920.

The name Arditi was later used in 1919–20 by the Italian occupiers of Fiume who were led by Gabriele D'Annunzio, most of whom had been members of the Royal Italian Army. Their use of a uniform with black shirts and black fez was later taken up by Benito Mussolini's paramilitary forces, the Blackshirts.

Nobody bloody expects trench warfare, so therefore nobody has prepared for it.
Planes are numbers during WW1

So are soldiers and ships?
This is the relevant part in your app:
Corpo Aeronautico Militare: 42 Squadrons

But you don't say how many planes you have in a squadron, something which can influence whether or not your app gets accepted.



Terminus Alpha wrote:Reservation:
Location: dis pls Solid colors are de facto borders, stripes are nationalist claims.
Nation Name: Kingdom of Romania
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Seems fine.

Alouite wrote:For tJS, I'm gonna rewrite my app and get it up for re-evaluation.

Rightio.
Alouite wrote:-Second App-
Alouite wrote:Government Type: Constitutional Meritocratic Revolutionary Republic

I'm not sure you should be a revolutionary Republic at this point. The French Republic wasn't revolutionary in 1914.
Homeland Population: 6,435,000

This was smaller by 200,000 in your last app, which seems to line up with what I find for the Netherlands. What and why did you change?
Imperial Population: 25,515,000

The Population for the DEI alone seems to be slightly less than 50 million (being at 49,2M), so I'm rather curious of that number.

Also, somewhere here you probably should through in Flanders, with 4,732 million, roughly.
There are provincial colonial governments that recognize local customs and promote Dutch as a financial language

I'm not sure this is acceptable. Humane colonialism?
Ideology: Classical liberalism, Individualism, Progressivism, Romantic nationalism, Expansionist nationalism, Civic nationalism, Anti-Xenophobic, Jingoism, Militarism

I think that's rather progressive for 1914. The Bloody immigrant-based US was Xenophobic.
As for progress.... everything is relative. 1914 society will be considered radically-"progressive" to those of a century earlier, and vice versa with 2014.
Tolerant, Diverse and Jingoistic, the Batavian Republican people are prided in Progressive, Romantic, Militarist, Imperialist, Individualist and Civic Nationalist politics.

Those two same-colored pairs seem to be rather oxymoronic, especially the red pair.
Because of this they are good at assimilating foreign peoples as local customs are promoted.

I don't quite see the reason behind this. I assume you do not mean promoting the customs of those people, as that would be counter-productive, but I think promoting local customs is something that happens automatically and naturally, and yet that doesn't make everybody good at assimilating.
Religion: Secularism recognizing all Branches of Christianity, Sunni Islam, Judaism, and Agnosticism.

I am not sure of this, though neither can I with a certainty say that it shouldn't be here.
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Dutch, Flemish, Moroccan, Berber, Indonesian, German.

That's some high-quality colonialism right there. I gravitate towards denying this, at least until given a sufficient explanation/reasoning/basis.
Also, I'm unsure of that last one.
Armed Forces: 1,275,750 (Less than 5% of Population)

This is massive. Even if take what actually should be your population, at roughly 60 million, you are at more than 2%. That's a really large military.
Anyway, assuming having such a large military would be reasonable, a massive majority of it would have to be comprised from the peoples of the DEI, short of your adoption full-out slave labor.
-Dutch National Air Division: 5,000
-Indonesian Mercantile Army Corps: 10,000

How many aircraft would that entail?
-Moroccan Coldstream Guard: 44,500

You managed to import 44 and a half thousand Moroccans from Coldstream? As otherwise I see little reason for this naming.
-Black Guard: 5,000

Are those supposed to be these? That seems a rather unrepublican and even reactionary thing to.
Speaking of the Black guard, is the dynasty the basis/source/reason for your name?
-National Armed Forces: 229,500

I assume those are supposed to be "just" infantry, then?
-Indonesian Mercantile Army Corps: 10,000

What exactly would those be?
-Indonesian National Guard: 100,000

Are those supposed to be reserves? Or regulars? Or something between a militia and regulars proper?
-Suriname Jungle Cavalry Corps: 5,000

Jungle Cavalry? That seems awfully..... impractical.
I think I'd half them and add that part to the regulars.
Same somewhat applies to your Rangers.
Navy: 475,750 (Will specify w/ ships later)

Considering you have stated how many of each type of ship, you're fine, actually. But if you want to.... go ahead.
Machine Guns: Modified Maxim Gun (Called "Holt's Gun")

Modified in what sense? I'm not sure I'm willing to have this become an OOC arms race.

In the year 1874, the Spanish declared war on the Netherlands viewing the new republic as weak and accusing them of several dishonest trade practices. However, with a weaker Navy (The Dutch Navy was unaffected by the revolution which only took place on land), the Spanish were no match for the Dutch Fleet which had been rapidly shipbuilding since the end of the Napoleonic Wars and modernized before the revolution.

Would the Spanish attack if they were so absolutely out-"shipped".
Also did the whole navy just turn Republican as one, that it wasn't affected by the early stages of the revolution, during which you refer to it as a civil war?
but otherwise only saw that the Batavians were seen as powerful as the former Kingdom of the Netherlands

For the record: That isn't that much.
set up forts for use by other units among other things.

Combat Engineers as well, they are?
The War with Spain became romanticized and was called the "War of Batavian Prestige and Restoration" and was considered a justification for why the Republic was superior to Monarchies such as Spain from then on in politics.

Not-as-Co-OP: Harharhar, you puny republics amuse me. /Not-as-a-Co-OP
In 1892 the Batavian Republic began improving relations with the United States of Columbia and began emulating their policy to avoid large wars with European Major Powers.

You are playing colonialist in the background of one European country and next to colonies of an other
Or you are emulating Columbia avoiding large wars with European major powers.
Pick one, more or less. You might've not had one, but that doesn't necessitate you avoiding one.
The Batavian Army now has been conducting Air Flight Research since 1907 though it has largely evolved in it's goals,

I'm not sure I accept you having started before one of the Greatest Powers and one of the Great powers to most recently have been directly engaged in warfare had their air forces. (1910 and 11, France and Italy, respectively)
service weapons with some specialized weapons for certain units.

What exactly do you mean?
The construction of the Atlas Aeroplane is underway

The closest Atlas I could find was this one and I assume that's not the one?
religion based discrimination in the workplace were banned to ensure fair competition for jobs, this act, signed in 1912 became the staple of Wilhelm's policy,

I believe I might have possibly mentioned that this seems very progressive, more than I think is reasonable for this era.




The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:-WIP-APP-

Hopefully (and probably) tomorrow I'll have time earlier than today for going over it, at least the parts you currently have.
Jade too I'll hopefully look at tomorrow.


EDIT: fixed Columbia Quote and answer being within the Alouite quote. /EDIT
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Postby Alouite » Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:10 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Alouite wrote:For tJS, I'm gonna rewrite my app and get it up for re-evaluation.

Rightio.
Alouite wrote:-Second App-
I'm not sure you should be a revolutionary Republic at this point. The French Republic wasn't revolutionary in 1914.

This was smaller by 200,000 in your last app, which seems to line up with what I find for the Netherlands. What and why did you change?

The Population for the DEI alone seems to be slightly less than 50 million (being at 49,2M), so I'm rather curious of that number.

Also, somewhere here you probably should through in Flanders, with 4,732 million, roughly.

I'm not sure this is acceptable. Humane colonialism?

I think that's rather progressive for 1914. The Bloody immigrant-based US was Xenophobic.
As for progress.... everything is relative. 1914 society will be considered radically-"progressive" to those of a century earlier, and vice versa with 2014.

Those two same-colored pairs seem to be rather oxymoronic, especially the red pair.

I don't quite see the reason behind this. I assume you do not mean promoting the customs of those people, as that would be counter-productive, but I think promoting local customs is something that happens automatically and naturally, and yet that doesn't make everybody good at assimilating.

I am not sure of this, though neither can I with a certainty say that it shouldn't be here.

That's some high-quality colonialism right there. I gravitate towards denying this, at least until given a sufficient explanation/reasoning/basis.
Also, I'm unsure of that last one.

This is massive. Even if take what actually should be your population, at roughly 60 million, you are at more than 2%. That's a really large military.
Anyway, assuming having such a large military would be reasonable, a massive majority of it would have to be comprised from the peoples of the DEI, short of your adoption full-out slave labor.

How many aircraft would that entail?

You managed to import 44 and a half thousand Moroccans from Coldstream? As otherwise I see little reason for this naming.

Are those supposed to be these? That seems a rather unrepublican and even reactionary thing to.
Speaking of the Black guard, is the dynasty the basis/source/reason for your name?

I assume those are supposed to be "just" infantry, then?

What exactly would those be?

Are those supposed to be reserves? Or regulars? Or something between a militia and regulars proper?

Jungle Cavalry? That seems awfully..... impractical.
I think I'd half them and add that part to the regulars.
Same somewhat applies to your Rangers.

Considering you have stated how many of each type of ship, you're fine, actually. But if you want to.... go ahead.

Modified in what sense? I'm not sure I'm willing to have this become an OOC arms race.


Would the Spanish attack if they were so absolutely out-"shipped".
Also did the whole navy just turn Republican as one, that it wasn't affected by the early stages of the revolution, during which you refer to it as a civil war?

For the record: That isn't that much.

Combat Engineers as well, they are?

Not-as-Co-OP: Harharhar, you puny republics amuse me. /Not-as-a-Co-OP

You are playing colonialist in the background of one European country and next to colonies of an other
Or you are emulating Columbia avoiding large wars with European major powers.
Pick one, more or less. You might've not had one, but that doesn't necessitate you avoiding one.

I'm not sure I accept you having started before one of the Greatest Powers and one of the Great powers to most recently have been directly engaged in warfare had their air forces. (1910 and 11, France and Italy, respectively)

What exactly do you mean?

The closest Atlas I could find was this one and I assume that's not the one?

I believe I might have possibly mentioned that this seems very progressive, more than I think is reasonable for this era.




You should be a professional debater (Don't start any Master Debater jokes because I said that!). Like try out to be one, I'm not saying this in a bad way, you're just tremendously good arguing in a respectable but still assertively aggressive (if that makes any sense) way. Here we go with a speed round!

1. Post revolution pop. boom accounted for w/ population can be undone or decreased if requested. Also quick reply to name change, will be done ASAP, good point.

2. The Dutch trade for a living, they need to get used to other people quick, they aren't farmers, they are seafaring traders, so yeah, they aren't like borderline eugenic America. Any arguement that the US was progressive in the way of civil rights (Besides it's supposedly non-biased, but clearly violated Bill of Rights) back then is highly unintelligent when you compare them to the UK, France and more also, someone has to be the global benchmark for anti-xenophobia, a progressive republic would likely fit that position.

3. I meant Progressive for 1914, not progressive for 1814, I would've specified if that was what I meant.

4. Being individualists who can be (not 100% always clearly) tolerant to those already incorporated into their nation, love their country and are quick to support military action when provoked isn't oxymoronic in any way, shape, or form.

5. If local customs and assimilation are well paired, then a government can begin to nudge the locals towards assimilation by preventing them from fearing change as much and creating much more equitable economic opportunities when assimilation is fully underwent, learning dutch language in customs would in other words become profitable to learn, without being force fed in a way that might incite reactionary rebellions. Its less so of the Dutch caring about the locals (though they don't particularly hate them) but rather wanting to do it in a way that will be more successful by avoiding conflicts in the colonies. As for religion, they don't refer to it as agnosticism, but they de facto allow it since people who don't identify with a religion heavily aren't seen very negatively so long as they aren't running about shoving anti-thiest ideas down people's throats, though the same would go for Catholics, Muslims and other religions, they are not going to be messed with so long as they aren't being forceful about their religion.

6. The Spanish thought the revolution would lead to a lack of proper leadership and make the Dutch navy incompetent and much easier to defeat, they were wrong. (Underlined are the reasons they declared war, in bold is substantiation for those reasons)

7. Military stuff, The nation is mobilizing in anticipation of the Great war, if it is too soon to do that, then I will rename the numbers mobilized numbers and a little later (24 hrs max.) will fix them down to where they'd be pre-mobilization. The Coldstream Guard will be renamed. The Black Guard only keep the principal name of the unit that once bore that name. Mercantile Corps are port security, trade transport security and protect all Dutch economic assets along with major trade companies. National Armed Forces = Infantry. Jungle Cavalry is stupid, I shouldn't have given that category any credit, I apologize for making you read something so stupid, it will get a new category title later. Holt Gun is similar to Russian PM M1910 almost indistinguishable from a normal Maxim. Combat Engineers could also be applied as a job to the DARs, sure.

8. AirForce Fixes: Program starts in 1912, Two experimental planes are owned at the moment, though a single squadron are prepped for construction, with a few minor modifications to fix any minor errors, they will be ready to crank out a squadron of planes.

9. The specializations can be seen in the list of weapons used by the Army and Navy.

10. Atlas Plane: Is unique (AH), picture the average early WW1 plane, I'll give it a picture later, but it is obviously not a post WW1 plane, it is named after the Altas Mountains in Morocco which they have de facto control over and a reference to the God atlas who held up the Sky.

11. First you said that everything was fine there but race in the first comment on this, but now religion? Fine I'll cut that too, no need for further discussion there. (Also not angry here, just being argumentative little me)

12. I am tired while I write this, tell me if I missed any points. Oh, and what is DEI, I've heard it like five times in my life and know it can apply to History and/or Alt. History.
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We're waiting on the Russian App, are we not?

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Liecthenbourg wrote:
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We're waiting on the Russian App, are we not?

I mean if you want, I can crank one out.


I've got mine finished I think, I can linky in a second


viewtopic.php?f=31&t=355498&p=26233402#p26233402

Didn't link the airforce numbers for russia because those are scary. 15 airships 300 planes is what I found ;U;
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You should be a professional debater Like try out to be one, I'm not saying this in a bad way, you're just tremendously good arguing in a respectable but still assertively aggressive (if that makes any sense) way. [/quote]
Thanks. I'll definitely take this in a good way, as a compliment.
(Don't start any Master Debater jokes because I said that!).

*starts all the Master Debater jokes*
Here we go with a speed round!

Mhm
1. Post revolution pop. boom accounted for w/ population can be undone or decreased if requested.

Well, you were missing Flanders anyway, which I assume would be part of your homeland, so how about you add just that?
2. The Dutch trade for a living, they need to get used to other people quick,

Not all of them.
they aren't farmers, they are seafaring traders,

Some of them surely are. There's also everbody who is working in the industry or a majority of the population, who aren't traders.

so yeah, they aren't like borderline eugenic America.

And yet the DEI had a class system, differing the status of Europeans, natives, and later as a seperate class, foreign easterners.
Any arguement that the US was progressive back then is highly unintelligent

Progress is relative. They were a democracy in which many people could vote. More than in Russia, definitely, more than in Britain until shortly before 1914 too, more than in Germany as well, most likely.
when you compare them to the UK, France

Both of those had colonies and racism.
and more also, someone has to be the global benchmark for anti-xenophobia, a progressive republic would likely fit that position.

Sure, someone has to be the benchmark, but the benchmark needs to be appropriate for 1914.
3. I meant Progressive for 1914, not progressive for 1814, I would've specified if that was what I meant.

I'm aware you would have, I was attempting to imply that you might be making them too progressive. (That's why there also was that 2014 part).
4. Being individualists who are generally (not 100% always clearly) tolerant, love their country and is quick to support military action when provoked isn't oxymoronic in any way, shape, or form.

That's also not what Jingoism stands for:
Jingoism is patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy.[1] Jingoism also refers to a country's advocacy for the use of threats or actual force, as opposed to peaceful relations, in efforts to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests. Colloquially, it refers to excessive bias in judging one's own country as superior to others—an extreme type of nationalism.

jingoism
noun jin·go·ism \ˈjiŋ-(ˌ)gō-ˌi-zəm\
: the feelings and beliefs of people who think that their country is always right and who are in favor of aggressive acts against other countries

jingoism
[jing-goh-iz-uh m]
noun
1.the spirit, policy, or practice of jingoes; bellicose chauvinism.

To call it that is like saying Expansionist, Economic-Socialist, Social-Conservative Darwinism is impossible, that is a strange combo, yes, but it is a fair (albeit abrupt and undetailed) summation of the Nazi regime, weird combos of ideologies do come together from time to time in nations.

Nope. Social-Conservative Darwinistically supported Expansionism is absolutely possible, and indeed was the case with the Nazi Regime. Calling them economically socialist just is wrong.
5. If local customs and assimilation are well paired, then a government can begin to nudge the locals towards assimilation by preventing them from fearing change as much and creating much more equitable economic opportunities when assimilation is fully underwent, learning dutch language in customs would in other words become profitable to learn, without being force fed in a way that might incite reactionary rebellions. Its less so of the Dutch caring about the locals (though they don't particularly hate them) but rather wanting to do it in a way that will be more successful by avoiding conflicts in the colonies.

I can't honestly say I'm quite convinced, amongst others as I'm hesitant of seeing such a simple solution here. I guess I might come back to you later, on this.
7. Military stuff, The nation is mobilizing in anticipation of the Great war, if it is too soon to do that, then I will rename the numbers mobilized numbers.

I think the mobilization is something that should start happening in the IC.
The Black Guard only keep the principal name of the unit that once bore that name.

Why, if I may ask?
Jungle Cavalry is stupid, I shouldn't have given that category any credit, I apologize for making you read something so stupid, it will get a new category title later.

It's fine, you don't have to apologize.... But yes.
Holt Gun is similar to Russian PM M1910 almost indistinguishable from a normal Maxim.

Similar? What would be the difference?
Combat Engineers could also be applied as a job to the DARs, sure.

Oh, so they have combat enginner detachments, organized together with the Dragoon-Rangers?
8. AirForce Fixes: Program starts in 1912, Two experimental planes are owned at the moment.
You could go higher than that, I'd say. Here's this table for comparison - August 1914.
CountryPlanesAirships
Germany2328
Austria-Hungary481
France16510
UK63N/A
Russia2634

10. Atlas Plane: Is unique, picture the average early WW1 plane, I'll get it a picture later, but it is obviously not a post WW1 plane, it is named after the Altas Mountains in Morocco which they have de facto control over and a reference to the God atlas who held up the Sky.

I'd rather not involve non-real vehicles and weaponry, at least unless I'm given an RL vehicle/weapon that they are a "copy of".
11. First you said that everything was fine there but race in the first comment on this, but now religion? Fine I'll cut that too, no need for further discussion there.

I'll check backwards later, but I don't recall saying race explicitly was the problem.

12. I am tired while I write this, tell me if I missed any points.

I don't quite think you did.



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Homeland Population: 165 million persons

How did you reach that number? I found slightly over 90
Main/Accepted Culture(s): All the Russians (Truth be told, we need none of this ethic conflict nonsense, the Tsar sees you all as equally below him ;P)
Other Cultures: -

Eh....
Would you say a Russian, Ukrainian, Jew, and native Kamchatkian all have the same likelihood of being able to make a career in the army or bureaucracy? Is the Pale of Settlement still a thing?
Army: 5.5 million active troops
Essentially using the RL Russian numbers, with an extra half million for my own nefarious purposes (I will watch the Rus burn ;U;)

Is that pre-mobilization? Because if so, I do not believe that Russia maintained an army at over 3 percent of its population. (And FYI, I'm using yours).
Navy: The Russian Navy is divided into three fleets, being the...

-Baltic Fleet:
3 Battleships
4 Cruisers
10 Destroyers
6 Submarines
15 Torpedo Boats
The Best of the Russian fleets, this fleet still lacks the modern nature and general functionality of other world fleets.

-Black Sea Fleet:
1 Battleship
5 Cruisers
8 Destroyers
3 Submarines
18 torpedo Boats

-Pacific Fleet:
1 Cruiser
3 Destroyers
2 Submarines
17 Torpedo Boats
Still recovering after the devestating Russo-Japanese war, the Pacific fleet is essentially a ghost, with ships that are generally better than the black sea fleet, but too few in number to partake in any major operation.

I think you might even have some leeway upwards, but this seems fine.
Brief Description of your Economy:With the Prohibition of Alchohal in 1914, and massive expenses in maintaining the armed forces and reconstruction of the transit system, the Russian economy, once strong, now stands dangerously close to faltering, as resources are devoted more and more to the war effort and less to the domestic markets.

So you took note of my advice and let Nicky remain Nicky? Though I think it might've only happened a while into the war. Wikipedia is unclear and my literally source doesn't mention a specific year, as far as I recall.
Goals: Oppress minorities, kill millions, turn the world red with the glorious fires of communism comrades.

Urrah!
I mean, down with the Russian Tsardom and death to the Reds too.
History: Basically the same as otl Russia's history, with the added bonus of Nicky being more incompetent, passing legislation shortly before Russia's mobilization to create a “Citizens Travel Corps”, basically the forced movement and enslavement of Tatars and heavily indebted peoples to rebuild railways and roadways in a vain attempt to prepare for the war. (1.4 million very, very angry people you have there, and more are on their way!).He will be abusing this once the war comes by forcibly moving populations into wartime factories to produce odious machines of doom :)

I'm not sure enslavement should be a thing? "just" forced movement and labor seem more reasonable.
15 airships 300 planes is what I found

I think I found something similar, I'll have to check.
Russia2634

This is what I have for August 1914 in my source.
EDIT: But I am curious of yours.... maybe it refers to a bit post-mobilization or something? Or do they just conflict? /EDIT



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I see.
Didnt want to play as Yuan Shikai. Hes a fat womanizing piece of shit. Gona purge him as soon as the RP starts

I recall him being in charge of one of your armies....
Imperial Population: ^

Imperial Population would be Mongolia and Tibet. Mongolia is 647,000 and Tibet I believe to be roughly 2 million, considering the numbers I found for china were higher by 2 million.

Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: The legislative Yuan performs as the lawmaking body of the Empire but has been put on indefinite recess. All powers of law and order currently reside with the Council of Viceroys and the executive Office of the Chancellery. The Emperor is supposed to be the de-facto head of states, but that power has been transferred to the Regent until the Emperor comes of age.

Considering the Yuan's activity I'm not sure you'd de-facto count as a Constitutional Monarchy.
Mongolians and Tibetans consider themselves vassal kingdoms under the Chinese and strive for complete autonomy.

I'm pretty sure they actually are vassal kingdoms, at this point.

Military Info
Army:
Imperial Guards: 5000; elite battalion of troops answerable only to the Emperor. Stationed in Beijing though is also highly mobile can be moved to any part of the country via rail.

I do not think all of china is effectively reachable by rail. Also, isn't the Emperor a kid under regency?
Beiyang Army: 3.2 million; westernized army though poorly armed and inferior to those fielded by the Western powers and Japan. Split into twelve major army groups each commanded by a marshal. Answers only to the president and their commanding officers.

How is it westernized if it's poorly armed and inferior to Western powers. Also, you have no President.
Provincial forces and regional militia: ~5 million; poorly armed and trained, mainly used for garrisons and rebel suppression. Armed and supplied by individual governors and viceroys, the central government have little sway over these troops.

That brings us to a grand total of slightly over 8 million. And I'm not sure that ratio is acceptable.
Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Though not as advanced or as industrialized as Japan, China still possess the largest economy in Asia

I guess.....
and is considered very wealthy overall.

I'm less sure of that.
Goals: Remove sushi, retake treaty ports and Formosa. Liberate and re-exert suzerainty over Korea.

Good luck.
History: After the disastrous Sino-Japanese war, the Dowager Empress Cixi was forced from power and her western educated nephew, the Guangxu Emperor regained control over the thrown.

Why? How? Who?
This did not go well with the conservatives in Court and an assassination attempt was made just three month after reforms began.

Why wouldn't they just attempt to re-install Cixi?
The Emperor managed to survive the attack but was gravely wounded in the process.

mhm...
A year later, a second attempt was made to remove the Emperor, this time via a military coup. The coup leaders managed to gain control Forbidden Palace where the Emperor was recovering but failed to gain control of key Ministries. The coup failed and a purge was implemented to weed out conservative elements within the army.

This makes no sense.
If they were willing to kill the emperor, and already were taking arms against him, I don't see why at this point they wouldn't just kill him. Bonus points for that the heir may be still being young enough for a Cixi regency.
There's also, from OTL:
In another coup d'etat carried out by General Ronglu's personnel on 21 September 1898, the Guangxu Emperor was taken to Ocean Terrace, a small palace on an island in the middle of Zhongnanhai linked to the rest of the Forbidden City only by a controlled causeway. Cixi followed this action with an edict that proclaimed the Guangxu Emperor's total disgrace and unfitness to be emperor. The Guangxu Emperor's reign effectively came to an end.

Alternatively, by yourself:
The reformists, led by Marshal Zhang Xun and sympathetic nobles officers stormed Forbidden Palace in an attempt to prevent the reactionary Prince Duan from being crowned emperor by the conservatives.
The coup was successful and the revolutionaries instead pressured the reigning regent to elevate the then 2 year old Prince Puyi as the Xuantong Emperor.

People storm in and change the emperor. I see no reason for any ministries being required in performing a coup within an absolute monarchy.

Also, purging the army of all conservative elements?
The Army fucking went rogue by 1916 and you just weed out not all elements that might not be fully loyal, but all those that are conservative?
I have severe disbelief in the possibility of this.
In 1908, nearly a decade after the reforms began, the Guangxu Emperor finally succumbed to his wounds suffered all those years earlier.

When would the coup-attempt have been?
By then the westernization of China was well underway and the country had recently switched to constitutional monarchy.

I'm not sure of to what extent I can agree with that first one.
The reformists, led by Marshal Zhang Xun and sympathetic nobles officers stormed Forbidden Palace in an attempt to prevent the reactionary Prince Duan from being crowned emperor by the conservatives.

The coup was successful and the revolutionaries instead pressured the reigning regent to elevate the then 2 year old Prince Puyi as the Xuantong Emperor.

Suddenly performing a coup seems to become simple and not only that, but the regent is pressured into submission as well.
Due to the disruptions brought on by the political instability, the legislature was put on indefinite recess and a military backed Council of Viceroys was established to aid the Regent in his rule.

Sounds less like a constitutional monarchy and more like a military dictatorship. Dangerously much.
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-Populstat gave me 90 mil, but every other place I have checked has said around 160 million or more for population, The Russian census around the the turn of the century gave the empire proper a population of 125 million for example.

-As for ye old ethnicities, that is a bit tongue in cheek. Certain ethnic groups, such as ye have mentioned, would have a more difficult time attaining higher postitions in the grand scheme that is Imperial Russia. Mostly was trying to hurry here, also trying to paint a picture of a Tsar who just did not care. Also wanted to make a sociopathic joke.

-http://spartacus-educational.com/FWWarmies1914.htm

It seems Rusland may have maintained more actually, twas living outside of its means, as were most nations in the Great War.

-The Russian fleet has exact numbers that I found, don't want to increase it too much, it twas pretty laughable.

-Right before it seems
http://in.rbth.com/arts/2014/08/18/when ... ooze_37603

-Figuritive enslavement, I mean, the people are all willingly moving to aid grorious Russia in her war effort ;) FOR THE MOTHERLAND!!!!

*Trying to find some of my old links for population and military numbers for other parts, shall post momentarily
http://spartacus-educational.com/FWWinRussia.htm

There we are :D
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The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:-Populstat gave me 90 mil, but every other place I have checked has said around 160 million or more for population, The Russian census around the the turn of the century gave the empire proper a population of 125 million for example.

You mind linking me to something with the 160 million. Anyway looking at that census, the case with Populstat probably is that it refers solely to modern Russia.

-As for ye old ethnicities, that is a bit tongue in cheek. Certain ethnic groups, such as ye have mentioned, would have a more difficult time attaining higher postitions in the grand scheme that is Imperial Russia. Mostly was trying to hurry here, also trying to paint a picture of a Tsar who just did not care. Also wanted to make a sociopathic joke.

So remove everyone except for Russians, Great, Little, and White?
-http://spartacus-educational.com/FWWarmies1914.htm

It seems Rusland may have maintained more actually, twas living outside of its means, as were most nations in the Great War.

That's because it says that it includes reserves. Your app says active troops. That is not the same thing.
-The Russian fleet has exact numbers that I found, don't want to increase it too much, it twas pretty laughable.

Sure.

Good to know.
-Figuritive enslavement, I mean, the people are all willingly moving to aid grorious Russia in her war effort ;) FOR THE MOTHERLAND!!!!

I see.
*Trying to find some of my old links for population and military numbers for other parts, shall post momentarily
http://spartacus-educational.com/FWWinRussia.htm

There we are :D

Population, fair enough I guess.
On the air-force, though, I'm not quite sure. What might possibly be the case is that your numbers are later in 1914, as mine explicitly state August. And are, I've just seen, supposed supported by two Russian sources, over at wikipedia.
But then I thought I'd compare that site's other numbers to mine, and here it started getting interesting.
In the case of France that guy gives less than my source does, at a 32 compared to 165 and the amount of pilots attributed to the french here seems is equal to my number of Russian planes. Of course, it might just be coincidental. Sadly on neither Germany and Austria-Hungary nor Britain does he seem to have plane numbers for 1914. In case of Britain he gives 36 for the end of 1912, but that's isn't quite helpful either.

In conclusion, I just have no idea what to tell you, with regards to the aircraft.
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Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:55 am

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The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:-Populstat gave me 90 mil, but every other place I have checked has said around 160 million or more for population, The Russian census around the the turn of the century gave the empire proper a population of 125 million for example.

You mind linking me to something with the 160 million. Anyway looking at that census, the case with Populstat probably is that it refers solely to modern Russia.

-As for ye old ethnicities, that is a bit tongue in cheek. Certain ethnic groups, such as ye have mentioned, would have a more difficult time attaining higher postitions in the grand scheme that is Imperial Russia. Mostly was trying to hurry here, also trying to paint a picture of a Tsar who just did not care. Also wanted to make a sociopathic joke.

So remove everyone except for Russians, Great, Little, and White?
-http://spartacus-educational.com/FWWarmies1914.htm

It seems Rusland may have maintained more actually, twas living outside of its means, as were most nations in the Great War.

That's because it says that it includes reserves. Your app says active troops. That is not the same thing.
-The Russian fleet has exact numbers that I found, don't want to increase it too much, it twas pretty laughable.

Sure.

Good to know.
-Figuritive enslavement, I mean, the people are all willingly moving to aid grorious Russia in her war effort ;) FOR THE MOTHERLAND!!!!

I see.
*Trying to find some of my old links for population and military numbers for other parts, shall post momentarily
http://spartacus-educational.com/FWWinRussia.htm

There we are :D

Population, fair enough I guess.
On the air-force, though, I'm not quite sure. What might possibly be the case is that your numbers are later in 1914, as mine explicitly state August. And are, I've just seen, supposed supported by two Russian sources, over at wikipedia.
But then I thought I'd compare that site's other numbers to mine, and here it started getting interesting.
In the case of France that guy gives less than my source does, at a 32 compared to 165 and the amount of pilots attributed to the french here seems is equal to my number of Russian planes. Of course, it might just be coincidental. Sadly on neither Germany and Austria-Hungary nor Britain does he seem to have plane numbers for 1914. In case of Britain he gives 36 for the end of 1912, but that's isn't quite helpful either.

In conclusion, I just have no idea what to tell you, with regards to the aircraft.


Aircraft are pretty much spyplanes at this point anyway, so it doesn't matter too much, I can add in reserves if i can find a better source for them, but I know when Russia mobilized it was like "LOL, walls of sheeple"

As for ethnicities, Probably the various Russian groups and the Cossacks would be more or less accepted, others are a bit iffy, down to the Tatars which I specifically targeted.
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Is there a Spain player here already?
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:35 am

The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:Aircraft are pretty much spyplanes at this point anyway, so it doesn't matter too much,

How about we take the middle between both of our sources?
I can add in reserves if i can find a better source for them,

One can generally assume active troops to be at roughly a percent, so I'd say go up that some and have the rest be reserved.
but I know when Russia mobilized it was like "LOL, walls of sheeple"

Yes. At least until it became a wall of holes.
As for ethnicities, Probably the various Russian groups and the Cossacks would be more or less accepted, others are a bit iffy, down to the Tatars which I specifically targeted.

AFAIK cossacks would be classified as Great or Little Russian (Russian proper and Ukrainian, that is), possibly depending on their language, which normally was one of those.
So yes, the russians should be the accepted ones, the rest not really.
The Baltic Germans were quasi-accepted within the Baltic gouvernorates, but that's likely to change with the war.
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Quirina wrote:Is there a Spain player here already?


I don't think so
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Postby Alouite » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:49 pm

@tJS (My computer is glitching out on me now so I can't quote you properly.)

1. I'll account for Flanders and leave it there.
2. I should've been less hyperbolic, the Dutch are a trade oriented people, and are also progressive due to the nature of their revolutionary foundations, so they are less quick to be highly intolerant of new ideas and peoples.
3. France and the UK didn't have segregation, anti-voter laws and a KKK did they? (Seriously though, correct me if I'm wrong)
4. I'll replace Jingoism with Patriotism then.
5. Alright, if that's when mobilization starts then I'll lower the numbers.
6. The Black Guard were famous for being even more loyal, disciplined and overall superior soldiers to many others, for that reason the Dutch kept the name to keep the connotation of an elite Moroccan force.
7. The Holt Gun will be different in that it will use a custom 7.62x57 mmR cartridge instead of a to pack a slightly bigger punch and avoid it from being used by enemies as they would need to begin manufacturing these custom bullets to re appropriate them for their own use, however, this will also make it heavier and run out of ammo slightly quicker, their placing quality bullets over quantity bullets in this case. This makes it differ from the Russian/German 7.62×54mmR, or British 7.62×51mm ammunition. It also will look more like the Russian Model.
8. There would be Combat Engineer detachments in the DARs I can specify that in the App.
9. AirForce Fixes: Perhaps we finalize it and have 24 of them. Also, these planes would be in essence the Nieuport II (invented and manufactured from 1910) with a machinegun added later in the war. Nothing special.
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Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:53 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:snip


Done with edits save the Airforce numbers, I am fully comforatable meeting in the middle, Just need to know where your end be ;U;

Also, if anyone has any extra ideologies to suggest, I am all ears


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AGGGGG, my page is slid over, what is this heresy?!?
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Postby The imperial canadian dutchy » Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:42 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:*cracks knuckles* Time to hand out some Cooperative Operation.
Disclaimer: This time I'm operating on my own, so Calt, Liecth, and Glit might have differing judgements.

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:-Reaction to First Review of App-

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Population in European claims is on the low side due to me not wanting to do the islands on populstat

36,120,100 (Italy) + 800,000 (Albania 1918) + 938,000 (Littoral) + 530,200 (Krain) + 946,600 (Tyrol, all of it.) = Still not even 40 thousand. Libya, should you have added them to the homeland based on being partially accepted, also are still another half million. Still not bringing us to your 42 million. Heck, it barely is 40 million. I doubt Malta and Crete together have more than 2 million.
My country is also based on the 100 days not happening.

To my understanding your country is based on Napoleon attempting to do what would become the 100 days, only for Murat to reveal his plans and in return receive permission to remain on his throne.
1815: Murat decides against supporting Napoleons return from Elba, and exposes his plans to the Coalition, swaying support in favour of Murat keeping the throne in the Treaty of Vienna.

Calt's history has him not trying due to a lack of a Bourbon restoration.
I honestly have no ideas of the troop numbers, maybe just take troop numbers of WW1?

Generally one should go for roughly a percent, give or take some. I see that in 1915 Italy had 5,000,000 soldiers, but considering the total population that has to be post-draft, rather than the peace-time size.
Storm troopers actually existed at this as the Arditi are something I took out of real life,

Not. In. Fucking. 1914
Arditi was the name adopted by Royal Italian Army elite storm troops of World War I. The name derives from the Italian verb ardire ("to dare") and translates as "The Daring Ones".

Reparti d'assalto (Assault Units) were formed in the summer of 1917 by Colonel Bassi, and were assigned the tactical role of shock troops, breaching enemy defenses in order to prepare the way for a broad infantry advance. The Arditi were not units within infantry divisions, but were considered a separate combat arm.

The Reparti d'assalto were successful in bringing in a degree of movement to what had previously been a war of entrenched positions. Their exploits on the battlefield were exemplary and they gained an illustrious place in Italian military history. They were demobilized by 1920.

The name Arditi was later used in 1919–20 by the Italian occupiers of Fiume who were led by Gabriele D'Annunzio, most of whom had been members of the Royal Italian Army. Their use of a uniform with black shirts and black fez was later taken up by Benito Mussolini's paramilitary forces, the Blackshirts.

Nobody bloody expects trench warfare, so therefore nobody has prepared for it.
Planes are numbers during WW1

So are soldiers and ships?
This is the relevant part in your app:
Corpo Aeronautico Militare: 42 Squadrons

But you don't say how many planes you have in a squadron, something which can influence whether or not your app gets accepted.



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Seems fine.

Alouite wrote:For tJS, I'm gonna rewrite my app and get it up for re-evaluation.

Rightio.
Alouite wrote:-Second App-
I'm not sure you should be a revolutionary Republic at this point. The French Republic wasn't revolutionary in 1914.

This was smaller by 200,000 in your last app, which seems to line up with what I find for the Netherlands. What and why did you change?

The Population for the DEI alone seems to be slightly less than 50 million (being at 49,2M), so I'm rather curious of that number.

Also, somewhere here you probably should through in Flanders, with 4,732 million, roughly.

I'm not sure this is acceptable. Humane colonialism?

I think that's rather progressive for 1914. The Bloody immigrant-based US was Xenophobic.
As for progress.... everything is relative. 1914 society will be considered radically-"progressive" to those of a century earlier, and vice versa with 2014.

Those two same-colored pairs seem to be rather oxymoronic, especially the red pair.

I don't quite see the reason behind this. I assume you do not mean promoting the customs of those people, as that would be counter-productive, but I think promoting local customs is something that happens automatically and naturally, and yet that doesn't make everybody good at assimilating.

I am not sure of this, though neither can I with a certainty say that it shouldn't be here.

That's some high-quality colonialism right there. I gravitate towards denying this, at least until given a sufficient explanation/reasoning/basis.
Also, I'm unsure of that last one.

This is massive. Even if take what actually should be your population, at roughly 60 million, you are at more than 2%. That's a really large military.
Anyway, assuming having such a large military would be reasonable, a massive majority of it would have to be comprised from the peoples of the DEI, short of your adoption full-out slave labor.

How many aircraft would that entail?

You managed to import 44 and a half thousand Moroccans from Coldstream? As otherwise I see little reason for this naming.

Are those supposed to be these? That seems a rather unrepublican and even reactionary thing to.
Speaking of the Black guard, is the dynasty the basis/source/reason for your name?

I assume those are supposed to be "just" infantry, then?

What exactly would those be?

Are those supposed to be reserves? Or regulars? Or something between a militia and regulars proper?

Jungle Cavalry? That seems awfully..... impractical.
I think I'd half them and add that part to the regulars.
Same somewhat applies to your Rangers.

Considering you have stated how many of each type of ship, you're fine, actually. But if you want to.... go ahead.

Modified in what sense? I'm not sure I'm willing to have this become an OOC arms race.


Would the Spanish attack if they were so absolutely out-"shipped".
Also did the whole navy just turn Republican as one, that it wasn't affected by the early stages of the revolution, during which you refer to it as a civil war?

For the record: That isn't that much.

Combat Engineers as well, they are?

Not-as-Co-OP: Harharhar, you puny republics amuse me. /Not-as-a-Co-OP

You are playing colonialist in the background of one European country and next to colonies of an other
Or you are emulating Columbia avoiding large wars with European major powers.
Pick one, more or less. You might've not had one, but that doesn't necessitate you avoiding one.

I'm not sure I accept you having started before one of the Greatest Powers and one of the Great powers to most recently have been directly engaged in warfare had their air forces. (1910 and 11, France and Italy, respectively)

What exactly do you mean?

The closest Atlas I could find was this one and I assume that's not the one?

I believe I might have possibly mentioned that this seems very progressive, more than I think is reasonable for this era.




The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:-WIP-APP-

Hopefully (and probably) tomorrow I'll have time earlier than today for going over it, at least the parts you currently have.
Jade too I'll hopefully look at tomorrow.


EDIT: fixed Columbia Quote and answer being within the Alouite quote. /EDIT


1.) Libya IS in my Homeland population as it was part of Metropolitan Italy.
2.) It works either way, As long as Murat doesn't Support Napoleon after his exile i'm fine with whatever Calt does.
3.) I was basing it off of they began to be developed at this point if you looked earlier in the Article, which shows that they began selecting soldiers for "Exploration Units", I should have added in infancy in the Description
5.) Population I'm not sure when I went wrong considering I used Populstats numbers for the 1911-14 period
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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:59 pm

Lingang wrote:It's been a while since I've done this.

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Just for reference we have a Mexican RPer - sveltlana.

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Postby Elepis » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:43 pm

IC?
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
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B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
Lingang wrote:It's been a while since I've done this.

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Just for reference we have a Mexican RPer - sveltlana.

Damn. Oh well.
Well, I'll just take Venezuela. I would call it Republic of Colombia, but there's already a Columbia. Hopefully Venezuela isn't claimed or anything...


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