The Dogs of War [OOC|Open]

[The Jonathanian States]

Omg everyone is a coward!!!!!111!

*ignores the fact that WWI originally didn't contain half of its participants when war broke out*

I believe having mentioned that, yes.

You can still be Spain, Austria, various Balkan nations, Gran Columbia etc

I don't think you understand how I RP. You see, when I make apps I go full out and commit to studying the nation I select and it's possibilities along with creating a list of names for characters I will introduce and writing an adaptable plot for the first few posts. Generally I'm willing to make edits to the app if I go too far in the direction I wanted to go in, and typically I check to see if the nation is taken or reserved in the OP, if I don't see it there and someone tells me my app is worthless because someone reserved it, I give up. So maybe in a sequel tg me, but I put three hours into that app and am willing to make edits and am not willing to half ass or commit to another app again. But thanks for offering alternatives, I just don't app the way most RPers do, switching after an app makes me covet the nation I originally intended to be anyway and then I do a shit job as the second choice nation, it's rare I'm able to be enthusiastic enough to commit twice and like it, but in this case I don't think I can. Maybe I'll re-app for this RP, but not likely soon unless I have a huge change of heart.

I have to agree with you on it being annoying that reservations aren't noted, from personal experience.
As for your opinion on possibilities in the Netherlands.... well, I guess that's a discussion for an other day.

[Kisinger]

Omg everyone is a coward!!!!!111!

*ignores the fact that WWI originally didn't contain half of its participants when war broke out*

Shitty Columbia is still shitty Colombia....



Oh, and I'm assuming I'm going to start the war, idk how... Probably something akin to A-H's reason for invading Serbia, the thing is I support Serbia so :/

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

>when you nation has seven thousand reasons not to enter a European war but everyone berates you for not joining

[Liecthenbourg]

>when you nation has seven thousand reasons not to enter a European war but everyone berates you for not joining

>when you just want to give people rights but people ask you why don't you go to war.

We know sister Columbia, we know.

[Kisinger]

>when you nation has seven thousand reasons not to enter a European war but everyone berates you for not joining

Eh, it's just funny how you wanted war but went with a neutral nation

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

>when you nation has seven thousand reasons not to enter a European war but everyone berates you for not joining

Eh, it's just funny how you wanted war but went with a neutral nation

It's funny how neutrality changes.

[Jade Confederacy]

Considering Alsace-Lorraine is a thing war can break out immediately. And Germany is definitely more allied to Hungary and the Ottomans than China, considering I've been in talks with both of those but have yet to receive any offer or something from china.

I thought the benifits of a Sino-German alliance were obvious: I can apply pressure to Russia's eastern borders as well as France's Far East colonies. Even if I don't automatically declare my support to you in the fight , they'll be forced to station needed troops to ward against me. I can also garentee the safety of your treaty ports that would otherwise fall within the first few weeks of fighting.
If that's not enough, we have compatable economies where you export arms and manufactures goods while I export needed industrial minerals and buy your stuff. The sino-German alliance in real life only began to flesh out after ww1 with the nazis but we can establish it sooner.

As for a incident to start things off between Japan and China, race riot will do if needed. There can be a anti-Japanese revolt in one of your port cities and I'll intervene. We can take it from there. That or you can invade on the pretext of putting a favored Qing noble on the imperial throne.

[Alouite]

I don't think you understand how I RP. You see, when I make apps I go full out and commit to studying the nation I select and it's possibilities along with creating a list of names for characters I will introduce and writing an adaptable plot for the first few posts. Generally I'm willing to make edits to the app if I go too far in the direction I wanted to go in, and typically I check to see if the nation is taken or reserved in the OP, if I don't see it there and someone tells me my app is worthless because someone reserved it, I give up. So maybe in a sequel tg me, but I put three hours into that app and am willing to make edits and am not willing to half ass or commit to another app again. But thanks for offering alternatives, I just don't app the way most RPers do, switching after an app makes me covet the nation I originally intended to be anyway and then I do a shit job as the second choice nation, it's rare I'm able to be enthusiastic enough to commit twice and like it, but in this case I don't think I can. Maybe I'll re-app for this RP, but not likely soon unless I have a huge change of heart.

I have to agree with you on it being annoying that reservations aren't noted, from personal experience.
As for your opinion on possibilities in the Netherlands.... well, I guess that's a discussion for an other day.

Well, the app took me until past midnight and by then I shoudln't have finished out the app but gone to sleep, used to have the disclaimer in my sig that I make bad posts when tired. I recognize the silliness in the anti-racial descrimination laws, and the development of tanks and would edit those out willingly. Again read my last reply to the three things Liec pointed out to be wrong with my app on the last page.

[Sveltlana]

Once (spoiler alert) Carranza wins in Mexico, he'll join the US in whatever it does, send a couple thousand aztecas to win honour and glory in the Great War.

[Elepis]

I have to agree with you on it being annoying that reservations aren't noted, from personal experience.
As for your opinion on possibilities in the Netherlands.... well, I guess that's a discussion for an other day.

Well, the app took me until past midnight and by then I shoudln't have finished out the app but gone to sleep, used to have the disclaimer in my sig that I make bad posts when tired. I recognize the silliness in the anti-racial descrimination laws, and the development of tanks and would edit those out willingly. Again read my last reply to the three things Liec pointed out to be wrong with my app on the last page.

If you really want to be the Netherlands, I am sure AA could consider being someone else

[Alouite]

Well, the app took me until past midnight and by then I shoudln't have finished out the app but gone to sleep, used to have the disclaimer in my sig that I make bad posts when tired. I recognize the silliness in the anti-racial descrimination laws, and the development of tanks and would edit those out willingly. Again read my last reply to the three things Liec pointed out to be wrong with my app on the last page.

If you really want to be the Netherlands, I am sure AA could consider being someone else

Well, I guess let me know, I know AA and would feel bad forcing him to give up his reservation. But if he's cool with it I will have some edits to make before I resubmit my app.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Once (spoiler alert) Carranza wins in Mexico, he'll join the US in whatever it does, send a couple thousand aztecas to win honour and glory in the Great War.

Brother Mexicana welcome to the Anglofam.

[Jade Confederacy]

>when you nation has seven thousand reasons not to enter a European war but everyone berates you for not joining

If everyone was rational about the war than it would never have happened. The issue isn't with the us not joining, it's that its neutrality ensures that the war would never reach the Americas. argintia and chile can't declare against Brazil if your protecting him. This would mean that the South American countries would have nothing to do

[Fascist Republic Of Bermuda]

Planning a Carlist Spain. Also added the French protectorate in Morocco, which I assume is a thing.
Reservation:
Location: http://i.imgur.com/nwbZOf1.png
Nation Name: The Kingdom of Spain
635 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

[Liecthenbourg]

>when you nation has seven thousand reasons not to enter a European war but everyone berates you for not joining

If everyone was rational about the war than it would never have happened. The issue isn't with the us not joining, it's that its neutrality ensures that the war would never reach the Americas. argintia and chile can't declare against Brazil if your protecting him. This would mean that the South American countries would have nothing to do

I can assure you Columbia is protecting Brazil no more than Brazil is protecting Columbia.

If Columbia wants to buddy with Argentina or Chile, Brazil will not tolerate it - it'll continue to look at both of those countries as enemies regardless of what Columbia does.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

>when you nation has seven thousand reasons not to enter a European war but everyone berates you for not joining

If everyone was rational about the war than it would never have happened. The issue isn't with the us not joining, it's that its neutrality ensures that the war would never reach the Americas. argintia and chile can't declare against Brazil if your protecting him. This would mean that the South American countries would have nothing to do

Cause South America was a major battle ground for WWI righ

Do you have any idea what the US was doing from about 1910-1919? It's called occupying pretty much every nation ever in Central America and the Caribbean. The US was plenty busy. Currently, the USC is sieging Veracruz in Mexico and if Nicaragua was independent I'd be occupying that too, Haiti is only months away and then there is the DR. Cuba is already de facto a US territory lmfao.

It is like you assume the US won't be doing anything on its own to create problems lol. Also where did I ever say I will defend Brazil against Argentina and Chile? And they can still declare war, because clearly I'm occupied with Mexico and the other states I am fucking around in. But, since you just assume everything there's no real point in expecting something fruitful here.

[The Jonathanian States]

>when you nation has seven thousand reasons not to enter a European war but everyone berates you for not joining

If everyone was rational about the war than it would never have happened. The issue isn't with the us not joining, it's that its neutrality ensures that the war would never reach the Americas. argintia and chile can't declare against Brazil if your protecting him. This would mean that the South American countries would have nothing to do

The US was neutral in 1914 and did not plan on intervening in the war. Yet it did. Give it time.

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I have to agree with you on it being annoying that reservations aren't noted, from personal experience.
As for your opinion on possibilities in the Netherlands.... well, I guess that's a discussion for an other day.

Well, the app took me until past midnight and by then I shoudln't have finished out the app but gone to sleep, used to have the disclaimer in my sig that I make bad posts when tired. I recognize the silliness in the anti-racial descrimination laws, and the development of tanks and would edit those out willingly. Again read my last reply to the three things Liec pointed out to be wrong with my app on the last page.

Those are not the only issues. Your response also lacks any mention of the Spanish war.

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Once (spoiler alert) Carranza wins in Mexico, he'll join the US in whatever it does, send a couple thousand aztecas to win honour and glory in the Great War.

Mhm...

Considering Alsace-Lorraine is a thing war can break out immediately. And Germany is definitely more allied to Hungary and the Ottomans than China, considering I've been in talks with both of those but have yet to receive any offer or something from china.

I thought the benifits of a Sino-German alliance were obvious: I can apply pressure to Russia's eastern borders as well as France's Far East colonies.

Russia's far east is a hellhole through which one barely can advance. You'll have to fight your way through the snow to Vladivostok, from which you could more or less only control the Railway.
As for colonies.... colonies hardly matter. What matters is the war at home.

Even if I don't automatically declare my support to you in the fight , they'll be forced to station needed troops to ward against me.

Sure. I meant your support in the OOC sense.
Also, the amount of troops they'd need to station probably wouldn't have to be that high....

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 I can also garentee the safety of your treaty ports that would otherwise fall within the first few weeks of fighting.

Eh.... You can guarantee their safety, sure, but unless the Anglobloc joins I don't think they'd fall at all, actually. Or at least, not that quickly. I doubt they'd be a priority for France or Russia.

If that's not enough, we have compatable economies where you export arms and manufactures goods while I export needed industrial minerals and buy your stuff.

A world war is coming, Germany will be forced to keep arms and some goods rather tight.

The sino-German alliance in real life only began to flesh out after ww1 with the nazis but we can establish it sooner.

We could, yes. I'm still not quite convinced, though.

As for a incident to start things off between Japan and China, race riot will do if needed. There can be a anti-Japanese revolt in one of your port cities and I'll intervene. We can take it from there. That or you can invade on the pretext of putting a favored Qing noble on the imperial throne.

Mhm.

[Elepis]

Considering Alsace-Lorraine is a thing war can break out immediately. And Germany is definitely more allied to Hungary and the Ottomans than China, considering I've been in talks with both of those but have yet to receive any offer or something from china.

I thought the benifits of a Sino-German alliance were obvious: I can apply pressure to Russia's eastern borders as well as France's Far East colonies. Even if I don't automatically declare my support to you in the fight , they'll be forced to station needed troops to ward against me. I can also garentee the safety of your treaty ports that would otherwise fall within the first few weeks of fighting.
If that's not enough, we have compatable economies where you export arms and manufactures goods while I export needed industrial minerals and buy your stuff. The sino-German alliance in real life only began to flesh out after ww1 with the nazis but we can establish it sooner.

As for a incident to start things off between Japan and China, race riot will do if needed. There can be a anti-Japanese revolt in one of your port cities and I'll intervene. We can take it from there. That or you can invade on the pretext of putting a favored Qing noble on the imperial throne.

How about just before the IC starts, there are large riots in Hangzhou by the Chinese pop because the appointment of a chauvinistic governor. The Kwantung Army crushes the riots, killing many hundreds of Chinese rioters after the burn areas of the city.

In my first post in the IC it is then discovered by the Kwantung forces that an important figure at the Chinese (cousin of the Regent?) court organized the riot, Japan then demands China hand him over and Japan mobilizes the fleet

[Elepis]

Lovely, I am certainly willing to supply you with arms, etc. if needed for your Chinese ambitions.

So, this deal, what exactly is it (we seem to have agreed we want to help each other but we are not sure how) and is it already active in the IC

PS: Because of RL I may have to leave the RP at some point, I will try not too leave as I want to be Japan but I may have to. I will not be active between half 6 today and 12 noon tomorrow UK time either way so pls don't kill me

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Lovely, I am certainly willing to supply you with arms, etc. if needed for your Chinese ambitions.

So, this deal, what exactly is it (we seem to have agreed we want to help each other but we are not sure how) and is it already active in the IC

I assume we have some economic agreements already going, but anything too militaristic I would say no to already existing. I would be happy to meet with you ICly and negotiate terms we both find agreeable.

[Elepis]

So, this deal, what exactly is it (we seem to have agreed we want to help each other but we are not sure how) and is it already active in the IC

I assume we have some economic agreements already going, but anything too militaristic I would say no to already existing. I would be happy to meet with you ICly and negotiate terms we both find agreeable.

Okay, I will have to balance RL, eating the noodle and talking to the cheeseburger then.

I thought the benifits of a Sino-German alliance were obvious: I can apply pressure to Russia's eastern borders as well as France's Far East colonies. Even if I don't automatically declare my support to you in the fight , they'll be forced to station needed troops to ward against me. I can also garentee the safety of your treaty ports that would otherwise fall within the first few weeks of fighting.
If that's not enough, we have compatable economies where you export arms and manufactures goods while I export needed industrial minerals and buy your stuff. The sino-German alliance in real life only began to flesh out after ww1 with the nazis but we can establish it sooner.

As for a incident to start things off between Japan and China, race riot will do if needed. There can be a anti-Japanese revolt in one of your port cities and I'll intervene. We can take it from there. That or you can invade on the pretext of putting a favored Qing noble on the imperial throne.

How about just before the IC starts, there are large riots in Hangzhou by the Chinese pop because the appointment of a chauvinistic governor. The Kwantung Army crushes the riots, killing many hundreds of Chinese rioters after the burn areas of the city.

In my first post in the IC it is then discovered by the Kwantung forces that an important figure at the Chinese (cousin of the Regent?) court organized the riot, Japan then demands China hand him over and Japan mobilizes the fleet

@Jade maybe the race riots should happen in the IC, not before the IC so I can talk to Columbia for a little bit and you can talk to...Tibet?...Germany?

[Lunas Legion]

Generic Info
Nation Name: United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and Her Dominions
Symbols: Flag
Homeland Population: 41,707,900 (England, Wales, Scotland), 4,330,000 (Ireland), 46,037,000 (total)
Imperial Population: (include population of colonies)
Location/Claims: British Isles, IRL British Empire as per 1914
Capital City: London

Government Info
Government Type: Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: Here.
Ideology:  Liberalism, Free Trade, Continental Isolationism
Leader/s:  
King George V
Lord Kitchener PM
Chancellor of the Exchequer Lord Lloyd George
Home Secretary and Deputy PM Winston Churchill

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: The British people are a patriotic lot; proud of their country, but not with the militaristic jingoism found among Germans. Although there is some discontent against the Empire in the colonies, the Dominion system has mitigated these feelings.
Religion: Most of them. Anglican Christianity dominates the Home Islands, with Catholic minorities in Scotland and Ireland, while the colonies are dominated by native religions, whether organised or not, with minorities of Christians.
Ethnicity: Many. English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Many, many native ethnicities
Main/Accepted Culture(s): English/Scottish/Welsh/Anglo-Canadian/ (Main), Irish (Accepted)
Other Cultures: All the Indian cultures, Boer, Native American, Québécois, African Tribal, Malay... There are too many.

Military Info
Army: 377,000 men. The British Army is a well-trained and equipped force, if not particularly well-led. Smaller than the armies of many, if not all of the other great powers, the British Army is mainly meant to act as a colonial force, keeping order overseas.
Navy:  
41 Pre-Dreadnoughts
20 Dreadnoughts (5 to be completed 1914, 6 1915)
9 Battlecruisers (1 to be completed 1914)
14 Light Cruisers (13 to be completed 1914, 11 1915)
41 Protected Crusiers
55 Armoured Crusiers
374 Destroyers
64 Submarines
Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: The UK's economy is one of the largest in the world, with a powerful industrial base in the home islands fed by raw materials from the Dominions, and the largest single merchant fleet of any nation.
Goals:
-Keep the UK as far away from *look of disgust* Continental affairs.
-Give anyone who tries to take our colonies a damn good hiding.
-Drink all the tea
History: History diverges in late 1909, where rather than returning to Egypt, Kitchener returns to London. He arrived in the wake of the 1910 General Election, which left a weak Liberal-Irish Nationalist coalition in charge of the country.

Kitchener joined the Liberal Party, and successfully ousted H.H Asquith in a leadership election with the backing of Lloyd George and Winston Churchill (the so-called Liberal Triumvirate) before winning the election on a platform of Irish Home Rule along the lines of the Dominions and the reduction in power of the House of Lords led to a narrow Liberal majority.

The Irish Home Rule Act was passed in 1912, shortly after the 1911 Parliament Act, before the Kitchener Doctrine was introduced in 1913, stating that 'the Royal Navy must be able to simultaneously engage and defeat the strongest naval powers on every continent' and that the British Army's purpose was 'the defence of the Empire on land, with the navy as our main implement of power projection'.

RP Sample: U Wot M8
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

App should be completely finished now.

[Jaslandia]

How can we have a war when we don't even know what the primary combatants are? Besides France and Germany, all other players are pansying out and claiming neutrality including the historical particapents( looking at you Italy). I can't even attack Japan since he's hiding behind a diplomatic shield wall. What the heck are the people in South America gonna do if they're all on one side? Who don't want to be neutral and jump in the bandwagon once the wars already been decided, but what's the fun in that? We need two clear cut camps or else this rp will never take off

I'm playing as Brazil, and I have no intention of buddying up with anyone in SA that tries to claw at my pedestal.
(Looking at you, Argie)

Argie doesn't want to remove Brazil from her 'pedestal'. Argie just wants some respect and to finally be taken seriously.

[Alouite]

Well, the app took me until past midnight and by then I shoudln't have finished out the app but gone to sleep, used to have the disclaimer in my sig that I make bad posts when tired. I recognize the silliness in the anti-racial descrimination laws, and the development of tanks and would edit those out willingly. Again read my last reply to the three things Liec pointed out to be wrong with my app on the last page.

Those are not the only issues. Your response also lacks any mention of the Spanish war.

No I address it read my quote again, I'll bold and underline the area addressing the war with Spain here:

1)Fair enough, I'll leave that law out of the listed ones.
2)A single formidably honorable Moroccan Prince and some of his adherents, not all the Princes.
3)Fair enough, especially because we are a Napoleonic State with high prestige. Why invest in tin cannons on wheels? I can accept that.

I'll edit areas 1 & 23 now, and hopefully we can agree on point two, the war was centered on the idea that the Dutch Navy was capable of overpowering the Spanish Navy which was still in the stages of recovery at the time, and thus capable of eliminating Spanish Naval supremacy in the war while allowing the Dutch to transport forces to the Canaries. Indeed, those Islands were the only Spanish Territory we took in that war, otherwise it was a war of prestige. The war In Morocco happens later in the App, and coincides with a powermongering royal prince (only one not all the princes) who is just a few lives away from being heir hoping for a means to rise up. The Dutch assist him in a coup with money, weapons and military support in exchange for a protectorate contract. Knowing that Domestic Rule power is better than no power at all, the prince accepts the contract. The war is won and a protectorate is set up where Moroccans are in a permanent alliance and trade agreement with the dutch which they prosper for in the form of a technological revolution.

Anyhow, I'm gonna make some changes, so don't think I'm gonna be too stubborn about this, I am willing to make some concessions, but if they get big then I'll compensate for the changes with other events.

[Liecthenbourg]

Generic Info
Nation Name: United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and Her Dominions
Symbols: Flag
Homeland Population: 41,707,900 (England, Wales, Scotland), 4,330,000 (Ireland), 46,037,000 (total)
Imperial Population: (include population of colonies)
Location/Claims: British Isles, IRL British Empire as per 1914
Capital City: London

Government Info
Government Type: Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: Here.
Ideology:  Liberalism, Free Trade, Continental Isolationism
Leader/s:  
King George V
Lord Kitchener PM
Chancellor of the Exchequer Lord Lloyd George
Home Secretary and Deputy PM Winston Churchill

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: The British people are a patriotic lot; proud of their country, but not with the militaristic jingoism found among Germans. Although there is some discontent against the Empire in the colonies, the Dominion system has mitigated these feelings.
Religion: Most of them. Anglican Christianity dominates the Home Islands, with Catholic minorities in Scotland and Ireland, while the colonies are dominated by native religions, whether organised or not, with minorities of Christians.
Ethnicity: Many. English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Many, many native ethnicities
Main/Accepted Culture(s): English/Scottish/Welsh/Anglo-Canadian/ (Main), Irish (Accepted)
Other Cultures: All the Indian cultures, Boer, Native American, Québécois, African Tribal, Malay... There are too many.

Military Info
Army: 377,000 men. The British Army is a well-trained and equipped force, if not particularly well-led. Smaller than the armies of many, if not all of the other great powers, the British Army is mainly meant to act as a colonial force, keeping order overseas.
Navy:  
41 Pre-Dreadnoughts
20 Dreadnoughts (5 to be completed 1914, 6 1915)
9 Battlecruisers (1 to be completed 1914)
14 Light Cruisers (13 to be completed 1914, 11 1915)
41 Protected Crusiers
55 Armoured Crusiers
374 Destroyers
64 Submarines
Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: The UK's economy is one of the largest in the world, with a powerful industrial base in the home islands fed by raw materials from the Dominions, and the largest single merchant fleet of any nation.
Goals:
-Keep the UK as far away from *look of disgust* Continental affairs.
-Give anyone who tries to take our colonies a damn good hiding.
-Drink all the tea
History: History diverges in late 1909, where rather than returning to Egypt, Kitchener returns to London. He arrived in the wake of the 1910 General Election, which left a weak Liberal-Irish Nationalist coalition in charge of the country.

Kitchener joined the Liberal Party, and successfully ousted H.H Asquith in a leadership election with the backing of Lloyd George and Winston Churchill (the so-called Liberal Triumvirate) before winning the election on a platform of Irish Home Rule along the lines of the Dominions and the reduction in power of the House of Lords led to a narrow Liberal majority.

The Irish Home Rule Act was passed in 1912, shortly after the 1911 Parliament Act, before the Kitchener Doctrine was introduced in 1913, stating that 'the Royal Navy must be able to simultaneously engage and defeat the strongest naval powers on every continent' and that the British Army's purpose was 'the defence of the Empire on land, with the navy as our main implement of power projection'.

RP Sample: U Wot M8
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

App should be completely finished now.

Acceptamundo, I believe.

I'm playing as Brazil, and I have no intention of buddying up with anyone in SA that tries to claw at my pedestal.
(Looking at you, Argie)

Argie doesn't want to remove Brazil from her 'pedestal'. Argie just wants some respect and to finally be taken seriously.

GTFO of my Continent; you cow-herding Spaniards! :u