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The Jonathanian States
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:16 am

The Danish Confederacy wrote:
The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
No as Iceland and Greenland are part of Denmark.

Norway, Sweden, and Finland...

Finland possibly is part of the Russian Empire....

As for Sweden-Norway, I believe they still are open.
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Postby The Danish Confederacy » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:18 am

Elepis wrote:
The Danish Confederacy wrote:Norway, Sweden, and Finland...


Finland is Russian

*ragequits*

Sweden-Norway, then.
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The Danish Confederacy wrote:Norway, Sweden, and Finland...

Finland possibly is part of the Russian Empire....

As for Sweden-Norway, I believe they still are open.

See above.
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Postby Elepis » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:21 am

Elepis wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:Won't be a warlod era if I don't lose. Also your not getting all of shandong like you claimed in ur app. I'm fine with a few port cities but not entire provinces under foreign control


I meant the peninsular itself, not the province.


how would one show the the South Manchuria Railway Zone on a map?
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:24 am

Elepis wrote:
Elepis wrote:
I meant the peninsular itself, not the province.


how would one show the the South Manchuria Railway Zone on a map?

The SMZ Zone was geographically a 62 meter wide strip of land on either side of the South Manchurian Railway tracks, extending along the 700 kilometer main trunk route from Dalian to Changchun, the 260 kilometer Mukden to Antung route, and four other spur routes, for a total length of 1100 kilometers, and a total land area of 250 square kilometers. These rail lines connected 25 cities and towns, and within each town the SMZ included warehouses, repair shops, coal mines and electrical facilities deemed necessary to maintain the trains.

So one probably wouldn't show it on the map.
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Postby Liecthenbourg » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:26 am

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Elepis wrote:
how would one show the the South Manchuria Railway Zone on a map?

The SMZ Zone was geographically a 62 meter wide strip of land on either side of the South Manchurian Railway tracks, extending along the 700 kilometer main trunk route from Dalian to Changchun, the 260 kilometer Mukden to Antung route, and four other spur routes, for a total length of 1100 kilometers, and a total land area of 250 square kilometers. These rail lines connected 25 cities and towns, and within each town the SMZ included warehouses, repair shops, coal mines and electrical facilities deemed necessary to maintain the trains.

So one probably wouldn't show it on the map.

It exists in our hearts and minds, though.
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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:28 am

Here's the map I was working on. I got lazy with Brazil and left some dots and I have to go out soon so I didn't do the UK and its empire.

Also note that I added Cuba bc it is a puppet state that is 100% necessary soo.

I also have some happenings in Central America and the Caribbean, but those can be fleshed out as to not conflict with other players.

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Postby Elepis » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:47 am

Liecthenbourg wrote:
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So one probably wouldn't show it on the map.

It exists in our hearts and minds, though.


Oui, it may not be on the map, but it is there
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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:50 am

Also why is the world going to war? Anyone know the cause lol.

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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:02 pm

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:Here's the map I was working on. I got lazy with Brazil and left some dots and I have to go out soon so I didn't do the UK and its empire.

Also note that I added Cuba bc it is a puppet state that is 100% necessary soo.

I also have some happenings in Central America and the Caribbean, but those can be fleshed out as to not conflict with other players.

This should include both Britain and its empire, as well as a few minor fixes.
The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:Also why is the world going to war? Anyone know the cause lol.

No idea.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:10 pm

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:Also why is the world going to war? Anyone know the cause lol.


France wants A-L back. Russia wants to oppress all the Poles instead of just some of them. ICD wants to turn Grand Kebab into Italian colony.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:13 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:Also why is the world going to war? Anyone know the cause lol.


Russia wants to oppress all the Poles instead of just some of them.

Don't you underestimate the stupidity of Nicholas of house Romanov, Emperor of Russia, 2nd of his name, Fidei Defensor and Lord of all the Russians, the yugoslavs, and the western slavs.

Also, I don't think ICD is quite tied to the Entente camp. At least, so far and to the best of my knowledge.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:14 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Russia wants to oppress all the Poles instead of just some of them.

Don't you underestimate the stupidity of Nicholas of house Romanov, Emperor of Russia, 2nd of his name, Fidei Defensor and Lord of all the Russians, the yugoslavs, and the western slavs.

Also, I don't think ICD is quite tied to the Entente camp. At least, so far and to the best of my knowledge.


He could go either way really. Could move against France for Nice etc, or against Hungary for Adriatic.

Or be crazy and attack the UK for Malta.
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Postby Elepis » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:16 pm

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Nation Name: Empire of Japan
Symbols: Flag
Seal
Naval Flag
Homeland Population: 77 million
Imperial Population: 30 million in Korea, 10 million in Taiwan and bits of China
Location/Claims: Japan (including southern Sakhalin), Korea, Taiwan, Suzhou City, Yantai City, Dalian Peninsular (including Port Arthur) also this thingy
Capital City: Tokyo

Government Info
Government Type:Constitutional monarchy with bicarmal parliament, Emperor as Head of State but heavy influence over government
Brief Explanation of Government: Ermm, can I answer with an infograph?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Politics_Under_Meiji_Constitution_02.svg/1100px-Politics_Under_Meiji_Constitution_02.svg.png
Ideology: Imperialism, Monarchism, Shintoism, Chauvinism, Jingosim
Leader/s: Emperor Taishō, Prime Minister Katsura Tarō

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: Mostly ethnic Japanese, in the islands of Hokkaido has a native Ainu population while Sakhalin as a small Russian population. Korea has a Korean population (duh) and its other colonies are mostly Chinese dominated.
Religion: Shintoism and Buddhism
Ethnicity: Japanese
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Japanese, various Europeans who we want to get on with
Other Cultures: Korean, Chinese, Ainu

Military Info
Army:
Imperial Japanese Army: 1,200,000. Well equipped, well trained, well led and well motivated. Almost without a doubt the most effective land army in Asia. It is a veteran three major international conflicts, the Sino-Japanese War, the Boxer Rebellion and Russo-Japanese War. In all three of these conflicts (apart from perhaps the Boxers) the IJA/IJN took on and defeated much larger countries, China and Russia respectively.
Navy:
Imperial Japanese Navy (Like the Army, it is modeled on European forces and is the largest and most effective in Asia, winning stunning victories in both the Sin-Japanese war and the Russo-Japanese War, most notably at Tushima):
-Dreadnoughts: 6
-Pre-dreadnought battleships: 18
-Armoured cruisers: 12
-Protected cruisers: 24
-Light/scout cruisers: 3
-Destroyers: 50
-Submarines: 27
-30 Torpedo boats

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Japan emerged from the Tokugawa-Meiji transition as the first Asian industrialized nation. From the onset, the Meiji rulers embraced the concept of a market economy and adopted British and North American forms of free enterprise capitalism. Rapid growth and structural change characterized Japan's two periods of economic development after 1868. Initially, the economy grew only moderately and relied heavily on traditional Japanese agriculture to finance modern industrial infrastructure. By the time the Russo-Japanese War began in 1904, 65% of employment and 38% of the gross domestic product (GDP) were still based on agriculture, but modern industry had begun to expand substantially. Know, manufacturing and mining amounted to 34% of GDP, compared with 20% for all of agriculture. Transportation and communications developed to sustain heavy industrial development.

From 1894, Japan built an extensive empire that included Taiwan, Korea, and parts of northern China. The Japanese regarded this sphere of influence as a political and economic necessity, which prevented foreign states from strangling Japan by blocking its access to raw materials and crucial sea-lanes. Japan's large military force was regarded as essential to the empire's defense and prosperity by obtaining natural resources that the Japanese islands lacked.
Goals:
Build good relations with Britain and America, get stable relations with Russia
Acquire Resources
Halt Chinese "modernization"
Keep China fractured and weak
Acquire Manchuria
Become arbiter of the East Pacific
History:
really the same as RL Japan, however, after the Sino-Japanese War, Japan demands slightly larger reparations from China. These amount to control over the cities of Suzhou near Shanghai and ports on the Shandong and Dailan peninsulas. After the Boxer Rebellion, Japan refuses to withdraw its troops from Beijing until China sign over the entirety of Shandong and Dailan over to the Empire.
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Changed claims on request of China player (now I just have the city at the end of Shandong, not the peninsular)

is it acceptable?
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:16 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:Don't you underestimate the stupidity of Nicholas of house Romanov, Emperor of Russia, 2nd of his name, Fidei Defensor and Lord of all the Russians, the yugoslavs, and the western slavs.

Also, I don't think ICD is quite tied to the Entente camp. At least, so far and to the best of my knowledge.


He could go either way really. Could move against France for Nice etc, or against Hungary for Adriatic.

Or be crazy and attack the UK for Malta.

Yes.
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Postby Jaslandia » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:43 pm

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:So many factions to support in South America, who to choose...

Also, can I ask what you all expect the two sides of the Great War to be?

I think I may end joining the Entente. Since Britain is a major power that historically had a decent amount of influence in Latin America, Argentina will seek to ally with the Brits, and to show the Argentines' commitment to the alliance, Argentina will send over a small expeditionary force to fight in the Great War. But, that all depends on whether or not I can get favorable terms from the Brits. If I can't get decent terms, then I'll stay neutral for the time being and gravitate toward Columbia.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:45 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
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Nation Name: Das Deutsche Reich

I believe I am done.
Jaslandia wrote:
The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:So many factions to support in South America, who to choose...

Also, can I ask what you all expect the two sides of the Great War to be?

I think I may end joining the Entente. Since Britain is a major power that historically had a decent amount of influence in Latin America, Argentina will seek to ally with the Brits, and to show the Argentines' commitment to the alliance, Argentina will send over a small expeditionary force to fight in the Great War. But, that all depends on whether or not I can get favorable terms from the Brits. If I can't get decent terms, then I'll stay neutral for the time being and gravitate toward Columbia.

It would also depend on British intervention, that is not yet a given.
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Postby Liecthenbourg » Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:02 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
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Nation Name: Das Deutsche Reich
Symbols: Coat of Arms, Flag, Die Wacht am Rhein, Heil dir im Siegerkranz, Song of the Germans, fancy eagles, black-white-red, and pickelhauben. Also "Des Deutschen Vaterland",
Homeland Population: 67,180,000 + 6,860,000 + 2,666,600 + 776,000 + 2,848,000 + 265,800 + 87,100 + 18,000= 80,701,500 - Respectively, Germany, Bohemia, Moravia, (Austrian) Silesia, Denmark, Luxembourg, Iceland, Faroe Islands
Imperial Population: 13,300 + 27,100 + 429,000 + 1,031,900 + 5,576,300 + 1,230,000 + 1,704,000 + 4,600,000 + 35,000 + 17,000 + 8,000 + 2,000 + 2,000 +12,500 + 75,000 + 130,000 = 14,893,100 - Respectively, Greenland, West Indies, Namibia/German-SWA, Togo, Tanganyika (technically I just removed 300k from combined Tanzania, but Zanzibar today seems to have slightly more than 400k, so I think it's a safe estimate), Rwanda, Burundi, German Cameroon, German Samoa, Micronesia, Palau, Nauru, (German) Northern Marianas, Marshall Islands, (German) Solomon Islands, Kaiser-Wilhelms-Land
Location/Claims: Location. No official claims. Certain circles of varying influence argue for annexation of either Gotland, the Baltic Gouvernorates, Austria, Arlon, or other areas with a history tied to Germany, Germans, or a German state. Though their actual power is rather minor.
Capital City: Berlin

Government Info
Government Type: Semi-Constitutional Federal Monarchy.
Brief Explanation of Government:
A Federation at the head of which are the Reichskanzler and the Kaiser (HoG and HoS, respectively). The Kaiser permanently is the King of Prussia by personal union while the Kanzler is appointed by him. The federal legislative is bi-camerical, consisting of the Bundesrat and Reichstag. The former, the upper house, contains representatives from all states of the Empire, their amount determined by their population (though at least one representing each state). It's powers are the veto of Reichstag bills, as well as the ability to disband aforementioned lower house, should the Emperor agree. The Reichstag, the lower house, is the house that actually creates, debates, and passes laws, including federal budgets. It is elected by an universal male franchise for the age 20, with the specifics (such as a weight system or lack thereof) being a matter of the respective states.

On the local level, the states range from republics to monarchies. Except in defense/military, diplomacy/foreign affairs, and finances, are virtually independent states, only being restricted on not conflicting with federal laws.

Ideology: Imperialism, Colonialism, a tad of Jingoism, some conservatism
Leader/s: Kaiser Wilhelm II - Kanzler Theobalb von Bethman-Hollweg

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: Pickelhaube-wearing, beer-wielding, and yet permanently orderly, jingoistic lads.
Religion:Majority adhere to Protestant and Reformed Churches (within which a great majority are Lutheran), a large minority are Catholic. Jews exist too, and in the colonies there are Muslims and adherents of the local beliefs.
Ethnicity: Mostly German(ic)?
Main/Accepted Culture(s): German, Danish
Other Cultures: French, Polish, Lithuanian, Dutch, Frisian, Walloon, Kashubian, Sorbian, Masurian, Czech (separated as Bohemian and Moravian in German censuses), apparently a few italians that got lost in Alsace-Lorraine Bavarian

Military Info
Army: Branches: Imperial Army (and in the future possibly an Imperial Aviation Corps). 970,000 troops pre-mobilization (Slightly less than 1.202%, compared to OTL's 1.23) - with the ability to get up to 16,140,300 of mobilized troops (exactly 20%, slightly smaller percentage than OTL). Quality is excellent, world-famed, etc,etc Discipline is derived from the Prussian system, Pickelhauben are worn. There also are the Askari, though I'm unsure if their numbers were included in the numbers I used as a basis for mine, or not, and if therefore I should have them included here, or not.
Navy: (branches, number of troops, quality of navy, etc,) 20 Dreadnought and Pre-Dreadnought Battleships. 8 Coastal Defense ships. 12 Battlecruisers. 8 Armoured Cruisers. 30 Light Cruisers. 5 Mine-laying Cruisers. 1 Aviso. 1 Gunboat. 150 Torpedo boats and destroyers, roughly. So 233 in total. Also, 56 U-boats. For comparison, Germany OTL had 47 Dreadnoughts and Battleships, IIRC, 6 Battlecruisers, 2 mine-layers, 28 U-boats, 8 CDSs, 37 Light cruisers, 1 Aviso and Gunboat each, and 9 armoured cruisers. 28 U-boats, and roughly the same amount of torpedo-boats and destroyers. All-in-all, a focused away from capital-ships.
Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: STRONK
One of the mightiest economies of the world.
Though the german states started industrializing late, still lagging behind by 1850, they rather rapidly grew their economies thanks to many positive influences on such a rise. Especially Silesia and the Ruhr-area saw large industrial developments, thanks to the natural resource of coal, located there in abundance. Bohemia too is a region rich in industry. In the high north of Germany, though, and even more so east of the Elbe, agriculture reigns supreme, supported by the old Junker class.
Germany is also famed for its Steel and Weapon industries, in the former of which it dominates the world together with the US. It also has had one of the first welfare systems, constructed as an anti-socialist measure, but since expanded - sometimes with socialist support. It, together with Britain and Columbia, is one of the three most industrialized countries in the world. Chemicals also are a strong industry.

Goals:
  1. Not die in the war
  2. Win the war
  3. Have fun
  4. ?????
  5. Profit
History:
  • Historical until the Congress of Vienna.
  • At the Congress, in return for France getting to keep Walloonia, Prussia demanded that a sovereign rump-Luxembourg would be placed under its influence.
  • 1859, 27th of January, the man who one day would reign as Wilhelm II is born, a boy like any other.
  • In 1864, after the second Schleswig war, Christian IX's offer of letting the whole Kingdom of Denmark (including Schleswig and Holstein) enter the confederation is accepted, with the addendum that in a decade observations should be made on the German-Danish tensions in the two duchies and that if they remain a different solution will have to be negotiated. Bismarck considers this an adequate solution, as well as gaining the Danish Kingdom for his side in the future tensions.
    The proper government of Denmark objects, but Austria and Prussia quickly marsh their troops on, leaving the danish no option but to capitulate.
  • 1866, it is decided tat Austria should not be spared for the sake of gambling on it being a future ally, and Bohemia-Moravia is annexed by Prussia. The North German Confederation is formed and includes both Luxembourg and and Denmark, too.
  • 1874, tensions not having calmed, a referendum is held in the two duchies, the danish parts remaining part of the Danish Kingdom within the German Empire, the German parts being annexed to Prussia.
  • 1880s and later: Germany invests much less in its navy, the so-called Naval race never happening. It's navy still is significant, just that it probably has much less capital ships and possibly instead moved to smaller, more defensive, ships
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:28 pm

Aden Protectorate wrote:I don't know if I'm done or not. If its good enough I'm done. :p


I discussed this a bit with Liecth, and we have (potential) issues with the following parts:
Ideology: Caliphate, the Ottoman State professes no ideology, other than it's commitment to Allah. Other than that the Ottoman State does not profess any ideology, and the Sultan and Caliph maintains calm, and uses systems more similar to Realpolitik than any ideology.

We think something like Islamic Conservatism or Militarism might be appropriate, as Realpolitik, IMO, is more of a path than a goal.
Leader/s: (Head of State, Head of Government, etc.)

Also, you should have leaders.
Military Info
Army: 100,000 Active - 200,000 Reserve. The Ottoman Army is modernized, with western technology, good discipline and instruction, and due to the Programme of Sciences instituted by Istanbul is equipped with powerful artillery and gunnery. The Caliph having been able to rally Islam to his cause, commands the loyalty of the devout, and the Orduları i Allah, or Armies of God are composed of specialty regiments, mainly drawn from Arabia and particularly devout Turks who fight with special vigor and fury.
Navy: The Ottoman Navy is equipped with the best ships of the day - though it is not numerous, since it is with the Ottoman Army that the strength lies.

The amazing "Ottoman Lion" as it was called, continued to keep pace with Europe, sometimes event taking the lead.

We aren't quite sure that this massive change of sometimes being even beyond europe.
The next Sultan Mahmud II, also embraced the path of reform and after a long period of strife in the Balkans he released Greece, and Romania as independent nations. Albeit without negotiations with the rebel leaders, placing rulers who were "grateful" to the Ottomans on the thrones. Serbia and Bulgaria were given the same status of Egypt, and the Serbs, Macedonians and Bulgarians were finally organized into their own millets.

We agree on having doubts on the validity/stability of this, both the Serbian and Bulgarian autonomy, as well as setting up your own rulers in Greece and Romania, and that system remaining as such until 1914.
The Ottoman Agha, leaders of the military where fond of using psychological tricks to keep their troops moralized.

I'm not quite sure of what exactly this is to mean.
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Postby Kisinger » Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:35 pm

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:
Kisinger wrote:For ICD....

1.) How did you get Malta?

2.) How did you secure Aegean Isles?

3.) How did you get Southern Epirus?

4.) Same with Slovenia, Part of Montenegro, Crete, Rhodes, Cyprus?

5.) Also Libya, and Swiss?


Just curious...


1.) Good question, I'll think of a way

2,3,Crete,Cyprus.) Same way we got Corfu in real life, International inaction and an Invasion of Greece, Cyprus or Crete I forget at this point whether or not they were Ottoman, if so see the Libya point.

Slovenia.) War against Austria, seizing of the Carinola

Montenegro.) Siezing after the war with Greece of Historic Cattaro

5.) Increased spread of the Risorgimento and the Italo-Turkish war like IRL, same with Rhodes.

1.) Technically Lunas reserved all current 1914 Borders before you posted your app so I'm just curious....

2 and 3) Well war with Greece would bring in other powers I'm sure, and I'm not sure how you could win.

4.) Slovenia and Montenegro are "fine" In my opinion

5.) War with Turkey would end you as they are more Modern, and might bring in me and Germany.
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Postby Caltarania » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:04 pm

The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:5.) Acquire Comrade Napoleons corpse to intern into the Pantheon in Rome (Super sekrit Muratian goal)


We'd let you annex Paris before we would allow such an honoured Frenchman to dwell in Italy. >:/

History in regards to France would be fine, though I'm like 80% sure that Napoleon never returned from Elba, due to the Bourbons never having been restored. Waterloo likely didn't happen.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:08 pm

Caltarania wrote:
History in regards to France would be fine, though I'm like 80% sure that Napoleon never returned from Elba, due to the Bourbons never having been restored. Waterloo likely didn't happen.

I actually was curious what exactly your history is.
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Postby Jade Confederacy » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:19 pm

Decided on a Qing China instead of a Republic. Didnt want to play as Yuan Shikai. Hes a fat womanizing piece of shit. Gona purge him as soon as the RP starts

Generic Info
Nation Name: Qing Empire (Empire of China)
Symbols: Image
Homeland Population: 439million
Imperial Population: ^
Location/Claims: Qing borders 1912-http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/styles/fullsize/public/China_1000.jpg?itok=CMko7j__
Capital City: Beijing

Government Info
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: The legislative Yuan performs as the lawmaking body of the Empire but has been put on indefinite recess. All powers of law and order currently reside with the Council of Viceroys and the executive Office of the Chancellery. The Emperor is supposed to be the de-facto head of states, but that power has been transferred to the Regent until the Emperor comes of age.
Ideology: Sino-Centrism, Neo-Confucianism
Leader/s: Chancellor Kang Youwei & Prince-Regent Zaifeng Chun; various marshals and viceroys

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: three dozen flavors of Chinese with the Han people being the super majority and taking up 90% of the population. Mongolians and Tibetans consider themselves vassal kingdoms under the Chinese and strive for complete autonomy. The Turkmens of Xinjang were also very independent up until a punitive campaign a decade back grinded their resistance to dust.
Religion: Chinse folk religions, Buddhism, Sunni Islam, Taoism, Catholic Christianity.
Ethnicity: Han Chinese
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Chinese, Mongolian, & Manchu
Other Cultures: Tibetan, Turkish, Koreans & Japanese

Military Info
Army:
Imperial Guards: 5000; elite battalion of troops answerable only to the Emperor. Stationed in Beijing though is also highly mobile can be moved to any part of the country via rail.

Beiyang Army: 3.2 million; westernized army though poorly armed and inferior to those fielded by the Western powers and Japan. Split into twelve major army groups each commanded by a marshal. Answers only to the president and their commanding officers.

Provincial forces and regional militia: ~5 million; poorly armed and trained, mainly used for garrisons and rebel suppression. Armed and supplied by individual governors and viceroys, the central government have little sway over these troops.

Navy: Beiyang Navy (defunct); Prior to 1900, the Beiyang navy was considered the largest and most powerful in Asia. During the First Sino-Japanese war however the navy got completely thrashed and those ships not scuttled were surrender to Japan as war prizes. There are talk of rebuilding the navy, but the military command instead choose to spend their resources on the much more active army.

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Though not as advanced or as industrialized as Japan, China still possess the largest economy in Asia and is considered very wealthy overall. The peasantry however see none of this wealth as most of them are dirt poor and have a bad habit of starving to death in leaner years. Majority of the manufacturing capacity reside in the iron rich Manchurian provinces and the Yangtze delta.

Goals: Remove sushi, retake treaty ports and Formosa. Liberate and re-exert suzerainty over Korea.

History: After the disastrous Sino-Japanese war, the Dowager Empress Cixi was forced from power and her western educated nephew, the Guangxu Emperor regained control over the thrown. Seeking to westernize China along Japanese lines, the Emperor began reforming the political structure as well as the military. This did not go well with the conservatives in Court and an assassination attempt was made just three month after reforms began. The Emperor managed to survive the attack but was gravely wounded in the process. A year later, a second attempt was made to remove the Emperor, this time via a military coup. The coup leaders managed to gain control Forbidden Palace where the Emperor was recovering but failed to gain control of key Ministries. The coup failed and a purge was implemented to weed out conservative elements within the army.

In 1908, nearly a decade after the reforms began, the Guangxu Emperor finally succumbed to his wounds suffered all those years earlier. By then the westernization of China was well underway and the country had recently switched to constitutional monarchy. The conservative faction in Court, greatly angered by this development, sized the chance presented by the Emperor’s death to roll back reforms. The reformists, led by Marshal Zhang Xun and sympathetic nobles officers stormed Forbidden Palace in an attempt to prevent the reactionary Prince Duan from being crowned emperor by the conservatives.

The coup was successful and the revolutionaries instead pressured the reigning regent to elevate the then 2 year old Prince Puyi as the Xuantong Emperor. Due to the disruptions brought on by the political instability, the legislature was put on indefinite recess and a military backed Council of Viceroys was established to aid the Regent in his rule.

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Postby Caltarania » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:21 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
History in regards to France would be fine, though I'm like 80% sure that Napoleon never returned from Elba, due to the Bourbons never having been restored. Waterloo likely didn't happen.

I actually was curious what exactly your history is.


Essentially, the War of the Sixth Coalition ends pretty much as normal, but the Six Days' Campaign (ITTL probably more of a Three Week Campaign or something) is more successful, dragging the war on a tad bit longer. During this time, French administrators and bureaucrats in Paris establish an executive-based republic, declares itself as the French successor state and sells out Napoleon in order to gain peace. With Napoleon still on campaign, they sign a treaty with the coalition that essentially reduces France to it's modern European borders minus Wallonia. The Bourbons are pretty damned salty, but the new French government essentially says they can live in France as citizens, and some of them begrudgingly accept. Then, some time after the war, the Belgian revolution occurs. French troops march in to "restore order", though in actuality use the event in order to reclaim Wallonia, establishing de facto control, and then likely forcing the Dutch to sign a treaty which gives them de jure control over the region.
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Postby Sveltlana » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:43 pm

Shit, I really wanted to be Mexico.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:49 pm

Sveltlana wrote:Shit, I really wanted to be Mexico.


Be... Uh... I dunno... Spain? Best friend Portugal?
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