The Coldest of Wars: After The Great War III (Open/OOC)

[The Danish Confederacy]

I don't want to. Are your troops defending the black Africans, or is it colonialism?

My troops are going to try to restore order and peace in the Sudan by supporting the government, and establishing the Sudan as a British protectorate for a bit before I give it independence again, or give it to Ethiopia, you or the AFU.

Who made you World Police?

[The Peoples East Africa]

I don't want to. Are your troops defending the black Africans, or is it colonialism?

My troops are going to try to restore order and peace in the Sudan by supporting the government, and establishing the Sudan as a British protectorate for a bit before I give it independence again, or give it to Ethiopia, you or the AFU.

Well I want to establish a government there ruled by the black majority. Will we come into conflict?

[Old Tyrannia]

Looks like I'm going to have to fight the Sudanese government, the Arab Federal Union and the British in the Sudan. Ah, well; nothing's so romantic as a lost cause.

Maybe you will win the war? Maybe I will win? May the Arabs will win? Or maybe Sudan will just be the same as it was before any of our involvement. One thing I do know is that, this war is going to be fun!

I can't see Ethiopia winning a war against the UK and the AFU, to be honest. Not without help at any rate; my military simply isn't up to the task, and only Spain has declared its support for Ethiopia and the South Sudanese rebels. Unless South Africa and the FCDR enter the war on my side my only hope is to gain the sympathy of the Western media and place enough pressure on the US government that it intervenes to restrain Britain.

[The Peoples East Africa]

Maybe you will win the war? Maybe I will win? May the Arabs will win? Or maybe Sudan will just be the same as it was before any of our involvement. One thing I do know is that, this war is going to be fun!

I can't see Ethiopia winning a war against the UK and the AFU, to be honest. Not without help at any rate; my military simply isn't up to the task, and only Spain has declared its support for Ethiopia and the South Sudanese rebels. Unless South Africa and the FCDR enter the war on my side my only hope is to gain the sympathy of the Western media and place enough pressure on the US government that it intervenes to restrain Britain.

Why are you going to be at war with Britain. Don't ye have the common goal of making Sudan a bit more free?

[Old Tyrannia]

I can't see Ethiopia winning a war against the UK and the AFU, to be honest. Not without help at any rate; my military simply isn't up to the task, and only Spain has declared its support for Ethiopia and the South Sudanese rebels. Unless South Africa and the FCDR enter the war on my side my only hope is to gain the sympathy of the Western media and place enough pressure on the US government that it intervenes to restrain Britain.

Why are you going to be at war with Britain. Don't ye have the common goal of making Sudan a bit more free?

No. I have the goal of achieving independence for the majority Christian South Sudan (which is consistent with Ethiopian policy IRL under both Haile Selassie and the Derg IIRC). The UK wants to keep the Arab Muslim government in power under a British protectorate and prevent South Sudan from seceding.

[The Peoples East Africa]

Why are you going to be at war with Britain. Don't ye have the common goal of making Sudan a bit more free?

No. I have the goal of achieving independence for the majority Christian South Sudan (which is consistent with Ethiopian policy IRL under both Haile Selassie and the Derg IIRC). The UK wants to keep the Arab Muslim government in power under a British protectorate and prevent South Sudan from seceding.

Ah. I lean more towards your opinion, but warring my closest ally may not be the smartest move.

[Gyrenaica]

Currently, Congo is in Rebuilding stage. That means I'm cozying up to USA, UK, France.

[The Peoples East Africa]

Currently, Congo is in Rebuilding stage. That means I'm cozying up to USA, UK, France.

The only chance of taking on the UK would be with you sending tons of soldiers to the war, so I'll stick by Britain's side.

[Gyrenaica]

I don't like the chance they might be recolonzizing, but if it means a chance that South Sudan is freed from tyrant north Sudan, then I shall support it. After all, they gotta let their colonies go someday, right?

[British Empire Strikes Back]

Hmm... How will Britain crush the Danish resistance?

Diplomatically?

An invasion?

Bombing the Danish terrorists?

Supplying more arm to the Scandinavians?

Stationing more British troops in Scandinavia?

Nuking Alborg?

Kidnapping Bordersen?

So many options...

As the post says (my posts are going to be written in the way Bill O'Reilly wrote "Killing Lincoln"), every man in Jutland will die before they surrender to Scandinavia.
Unless you can negotiate a treaty to make Jutland free.

Why the hell would they do that? First off, not everyone would be in support of Denmark becoming independent. Why would they die to become independent from a country that allows them a high degree of autonomy, a very high amount of human and civil rights, and a country that provides them with many social and welfare programmes and a good economy (which an independent Danish economy would be dependent on)? Why would they want independence from that? What has Scandinavia done to Danes that is so awful?

If you really want to get independence (and there is no reason to do that), then you should try to peacefully organize and ask the Scandinavian government for a referendum on Denmark's future status. You could also ask for further devolution for Denmark (like Scotland has), and that would be very similar to independence. it would at least be a stepping stone towards independence.

Or you can kill people, set buildings on fire and blow up stuff for no reason at all.

[The Peoples East Africa]

I don't like the chance they might be recolonzizing, but if it means a chance that South Sudan is freed from tyrant north Sudan, then I shall support it. After all, they gotta let their colonies go someday, right?

True, but you're not too developed yet. If we spend a few years investing in each other, then your military should be in a far better place.

[British Empire Strikes Back]

Why are you going to be at war with Britain. Don't ye have the common goal of making Sudan a bit more free?

No. I have the goal of achieving independence for the majority Christian South Sudan (which is consistent with Ethiopian policy IRL under both Haile Selassie and the Derg IIRC). The UK wants to keep the Arab Muslim government in power under a British protectorate and prevent South Sudan from seceding.

Actually, I'd rather have a power-sharing government with equal representation for the Arabs and the Black Christians. I'd let South and North Sudan have referendums to become independent, or join Ethiopia and the AFY, respectively. But that would be after the war is over.

I am not going to attack Ethiopian or Arab troops, I am just going after Sudanese militant and government forces at the moment. I'll let you take the areas of Sudan near Ethiopia and I'll let the AFU take the areas near Egypt as I am preoccupied near Juba and Port Sudan.

[The Peoples East Africa]

No. I have the goal of achieving independence for the majority Christian South Sudan (which is consistent with Ethiopian policy IRL under both Haile Selassie and the Derg IIRC). The UK wants to keep the Arab Muslim government in power under a British protectorate and prevent South Sudan from seceding.

Actually, I'd rather have a power-sharing government with equal representation for the Arabs and the Black Christians. I'd let South and North Sudan have referendums to become independent, or join Ethiopia and the AFY, respectively. But that would be after the war is over.

I am not going to attack Ethiopian or Arab troops, I am just going after Sudanese militant and government forces at the moment. I'll let you take the areas of Sudan near Ethiopia and I'll let the AFU take the areas near Egypt as I am preoccupied near Juba and Port Sudan.

My plan is to land somewhere along their northern coast, and then advance inwards and hopefully join with your forces.

[British Empire Strikes Back]

Currently, Congo is in Rebuilding stage. That means I'm cozying up to USA, UK, France.

LET'S GET COZY CONGO!

The UK can train, fund and better equip and arm your military and help you get the other Congo and give you aid money and such. I like the idea of Britain having a base or two in the Congo, and I thank you for that. This isn't really my place, but could South Africa get a base in the Congo if possible?

[British Empire Strikes Back]

Actually, I'd rather have a power-sharing government with equal representation for the Arabs and the Black Christians. I'd let South and North Sudan have referendums to become independent, or join Ethiopia and the AFY, respectively. But that would be after the war is over.

I am not going to attack Ethiopian or Arab troops, I am just going after Sudanese militant and government forces at the moment. I'll let you take the areas of Sudan near Ethiopia and I'll let the AFU take the areas near Egypt as I am preoccupied near Juba and Port Sudan.

My plan is to land somewhere along their northern coast, and then advance inwards and hopefully join with your forces.

I like that plan. The Commonwealth must stick together in the face of evil!!!

[The Peoples East Africa]

Currently, Congo is in Rebuilding stage. That means I'm cozying up to USA, UK, France.

LET'S GET COZY CONGO!

The UK can train, fund and better equip and arm your military and help you get the other Congo and give you aid money and such. I like the idea of Britain having a base or two in the Congo, and I thank you for that. This isn't really my place, but could South Africa get a base in the Congo if possible?

That would make sense considering the military alliance pact I've made with Congo.

[The Danish Confederacy]

As the post says (my posts are going to be written in the way Bill O'Reilly wrote "Killing Lincoln"), every man in Jutland will die before they surrender to Scandinavia.
Unless you can negotiate a treaty to make Jutland free.

Why the hell would they do that? First off, not everyone would be in support of Denmark becoming independent. Why would they die to become independent from a country that allows them a high degree of autonomy, a very high amount of human and civil rights, and a country that provides them with many social and welfare programmes and a good economy (which an independent Danish economy would be dependent on)? Why would they want independence from that? What has Scandinavia done to Danes that is so awful?

If you really want to get independence (and there is no reason to do that), then you should try to peacefully organize and ask the Scandinavian government for a referendum on Denmark's future status. You could also ask for further devolution for Denmark (like Scotland has), and that would be very similar to independence. it would at least be a stepping stone towards independence.

Or you can kill people, set buildings on fire and blow up stuff for no reason at all.

Where did you get the idea they allow high autonomy?
And they don't want "many welfare programmes", they want to be free of government control!
They want to earn it themselves!
I will find that if they were truly autonomous, they would govern themselves.
I will find that if they were truly autonomous, they need not Scandinavia's liberal ideas.
I will find that if they were truly autonomous, they would have their own economy, one not dependent on "Scandinavia's good economy", which couldn't exist because they spend too much on the "many social and welfare programmes.".
I will find that they are oppressive and that they don't have the same interests as the Danes do.
So, before you post some shit in response about "DEY IZ SOCIALIST!", this is alternate history.
If I can't have a conservative Denmark, Sweden can't rule Scandinavia.
And why are you so "KEEEELLLL INDEPENDENCE!"
Or do you just have a power complex and would just hate to see a differing opinion in Denmark.

[Old Tyrannia]

No. I have the goal of achieving independence for the majority Christian South Sudan (which is consistent with Ethiopian policy IRL under both Haile Selassie and the Derg IIRC). The UK wants to keep the Arab Muslim government in power under a British protectorate and prevent South Sudan from seceding.

Actually, I'd rather have a power-sharing government with equal representation for the Arabs and the Black Christians. I'd let South and North Sudan have referendums to become independent, or join Ethiopia and the AFY, respectively. But that would be after the war is over.

I am not going to attack Ethiopian or Arab troops, I am just going after Sudanese militant and government forces at the moment. I'll let you take the areas of Sudan near Ethiopia and I'll let the AFU take the areas near Egypt as I am preoccupied near Juba and Port Sudan.

You won't have a choice. I will do everything in my power to support the South Sudanese rebels and defend Juba. You'll have to fight Ethiopian forces if you want to occupy the country.

[The Peoples East Africa]

Actually, I'd rather have a power-sharing government with equal representation for the Arabs and the Black Christians. I'd let South and North Sudan have referendums to become independent, or join Ethiopia and the AFY, respectively. But that would be after the war is over.

I am not going to attack Ethiopian or Arab troops, I am just going after Sudanese militant and government forces at the moment. I'll let you take the areas of Sudan near Ethiopia and I'll let the AFU take the areas near Egypt as I am preoccupied near Juba and Port Sudan.

You won't have a choice. I will do everything in my power to support the South Sudanese rebels and defend Juba. You'll have to fight Ethiopian forces if you want to occupy the country.

As one of my invasion goals is to give the South Sudanese some independence, will you be attacking my soldiers?

[Old Tyrannia]

Actually, I'd rather have a power-sharing government with equal representation for the Arabs and the Black Christians. I'd let South and North Sudan have referendums to become independent, or join Ethiopia and the AFY, respectively. But that would be after the war is over.

I am not going to attack Ethiopian or Arab troops, I am just going after Sudanese militant and government forces at the moment. I'll let you take the areas of Sudan near Ethiopia and I'll let the AFU take the areas near Egypt as I am preoccupied near Juba and Port Sudan.

My plan is to land somewhere along their northern coast, and then advance inwards and hopefully join with your forces.

Good luck getting through the Imperial Ethiopian Navy.

[The Peoples East Africa]

My plan is to land somewhere along their northern coast, and then advance inwards and hopefully join with your forces.

Good luck getting through the Imperial Ethiopian Navy.

But I'm helping the Christians there.

[Old Tyrannia]

Good luck getting through the Imperial Ethiopian Navy.

But I'm helping the Christians there.

No, you're helping the British who are killing the Christians and occupying the country. You really think I'm stupid enough to let you land forces in the Sudan so that you can support my enemies?

[British Empire Strikes Back]

Maybe you will win the war? Maybe I will win? May the Arabs will win? Or maybe Sudan will just be the same as it was before any of our involvement. One thing I do know is that, this war is going to be fun!

I can't see Ethiopia winning a war against the UK and the AFU, to be honest. Not without help at any rate; my military simply isn't up to the task, and only Spain has declared its support for Ethiopia and the South Sudanese rebels. Unless South Africa and the FCDR enter the war on my side my only hope is to gain the sympathy of the Western media and place enough pressure on the US government that it intervenes to restrain Britain.

I only sent 25,000 troops at the mo. Surely you could match or double that amount. I'd rather not fight you, and I am planning on sending Ethiopia and the AFU a letter to state that the British military will not engage Ethiopian or AFU troops. The AFU could get the support of Libya, and The USSR and China could help one of you or they could help their own rebels in Sudan. So the possible outcomes I can think of are:

~"The Sun Never Sets on Sudan"- Britain takes over Sudan, and splits the North and South into different protectorates and let's then choose their future path in a referendum.

~"The Simple Solution"- Ethiopia takes over South Sudan, while the AFU takes over North Sudan and the British, South Africans or the UN can administer a buffer zone between the two.

~"Commie Intervention"- The Soviets and/or the Chinese get involved and support a division of The Red Revolutionary Front in Sudan, and Sudan becomes communist and a Soviet puppet.

~"Balkanisation"- Sudan gets split between a Arab part that becomes part of the AFU, a Christian part that becomes part of Ethiopia, a part that becomes British, a Soviet part and a Sudanese-government or militia controlled part.

~"The Status Quo"- Sudan stays the same as it was before the war, and all foreign forces leave Sudan.

~"The Empire Does Not Strike Back"- British troops decide to leave the war, and they may keep Port Sudan and/or the regions near directly adjacent to the British colonies of Uganda and Kenya. The British decide to let the war play out without their involvement.

~"The Empire Gets it's Ass Kicked"- Ethiopia, The Congo, South Africa and maybe the USSR, Cuba, China, and maybe even the US intervene and stop the British advance into Sudan. Then the fighting between the other factions in the was continues, but without British involvement.

~"A Call From The Boss"- The United States is pressured to intervene and stop Britain's attempted recolonisation of The Congo. Johnson calls Prime Minister Heath and tells him to knock it off or there will be consequences. the British comply and they leave.

[The Peoples East Africa]

But I'm helping the Christians there.

No, you're helping the British who are killing the Christians and occupying the country. You really think I'm stupid enough to let you land forces in the Sudan so that you can support my enemies?

I'm invading only to ensure that the Christians are helped to independence. I believe all the British are doing is helping to equalize things as well.

[British Empire Strikes Back]

But I'm helping the Christians there.

No, you're helping the British who are killing the Christians and occupying the country. You really think I'm stupid enough to let you land forces in the Sudan so that you can support my enemies?

I am only killing the bad Christian militias and government forces. I don't want to do that, but it is the region that is closest to my colonies. I am your enemy? I thought we were allies, as I saved you from the Italians? Remember that?