PL: The EPIC OOC XI [closed]

[The BranRiech]

Gah, it's gonna' suck having Torsii gone . . . I'll literally have nothing. :/

[Torsiedelle]

And I'll be having fun in Hawaii

Well, actually, it's Fort Jackson, but in my head I'm going to Hawaii. I got that from Daniel Tosh stand-up. Everywhere is better when it's Hawaii.

[Fvaarniimar]

@Swith: Not a problem. Enjoy the food! Torsii, enjoy "Hawaii." Stay safe!

[Swith Witherward]

Aaannnd I forgot to add the new guy. Damnit. Alright, let me try to get a post up.

[Fvaarniimar]

Uhhhhhhh... May I please have an ETA?

[The Carlisle]

I'll get a post up tomorrow. Just finished a big show tonight and need to go to bed.

[Swith Witherward]

Uhhhhhhh... May I please have an ETA?

I'm wondering if Aegis would see your character outside and ask her to join him. I haven't posted yet. I'm wondering if the TG system ate my TG to Prim. If you guys were grouped, it would make things much easier.

[The BranRiech]

Mmm, well at this point, I'm still waiting for a post for Drova to respond to (Unless there is one already), but otherwise I could send Bran off somewhere if there's somewhere he's needed.

[Swith Witherward]

Mmm, well at this point, I'm still waiting for a post for Drova to respond to (Unless there is one already), but otherwise I could send Bran off somewhere if there's somewhere he's needed.

Silly Bran viewtopic.php?p=26437032#p26437032

Volker's crestfallen expression relayed a bit of his sympathy as he handed the envelope to Katya. The girls could read it for themselves. Demens had been alerted to a dire need in their home country. Both were to leave that very night. Klaus would take them. Volker didn't question why or how. There was little need, really. Demens had brought Romulus here, thus the landlord knew of a way to return the girls. Perhaps... perhaps they might gain more insight somehow? He couldn't be sure.

He stood quietly by as the girls read the brief note, his hands folded in front of him and his head slightly bowed to offer them some privacy. Finally, he ventured, "Don't you worry about a thing. We'll keep your apartment secure, and we'll cover the rent while you're gone. I promise to keep an eye on the teen clubhouse."

"What?" Marcus' eyes widened and he looked to Giovenith and realized she was in the same boat as the rest of them. "Wait. No. How? Wait, they're going somewhere? Why?"

He gaze shot between Torii and her sister, questioning each of them in turn and receiving no answers. They were probably as stunned as he was. "Wait, we have to see the Building Ma-"

"They go when they must, and they must go tonight, on Demen's orders," the front desk cultist wasn't going to put up with the boy's bluster.

"But the mission! How long will they be go-"

"The mission can wait," Volker's voice grew stern and Marcus fell silent. "They will be gone a while. There isn't a return date included. I suggest you say your goodbyes before they leave."

... Because Drova followed Torsii, he would have overheard. Giovenith had already approached Marcus, but I haven't written him as seeing Drova because I didn't know if you would have time to post tonight. Likewise, Marcus hasn't spotted Nick yet. Nes asked Sep (same post) if he would mind if the teens and Nick stayed behind to spend their last moments with the girls.

[Giovenith]

Mmm, well at this point, I'm still waiting for a post for Drova to respond to (Unless there is one already), but otherwise I could send Bran off somewhere if there's somewhere he's needed.

Someone doesn't have to explicitly scream, "Hey, come over here and see what we're doing, Drova!" for him to get involved. He was already following her to the elevator before, wasn't he (unless I read wrong)? Why wouldn't he notice what everyone else around her is noticing, which is that the girlfriend he just made 10 minutes go is now packing up and moving for God knows how long? That's not something you just casually walk away from.

[Primordial Luxa]

Uhhhhhhh... May I please have an ETA?

I'm wondering if Aegis would see your character outside and ask her to join him. I haven't posted yet. I'm wondering if the TG system ate my TG to Prim. If you guys were grouped, it would make things much easier.

Haven't received a TG.

[Swith Witherward]

I'm wondering if Aegis would see your character outside and ask her to join him. I haven't posted yet. I'm wondering if the TG system ate my TG to Prim. If you guys were grouped, it would make things much easier.

Haven't received a TG.

Stupid TG system.

Fvaar's character went outside to scout. I thought maybe Aegis might spot her and bring her into his group. If no one else came out, the two could scout together?

I'm at a loss regarding what they'll find. Cer's working with Slo on some details, clarifying stuff and generally being mischievous, and I'm out of the loop on most of it. I'm worried that I'll post a "discovery" that will screw up the Fiend mystery.

[Fvaarniimar]

*shrug* I honestly thought separate might work better given the mention of as many scouts as possible being useful. I don't mind joining the group but I will need to work out why Kwa'a (not used to teaming up, no reason to trust Aegis barring 'fellow resident') will be willing to do so. (Don't worry, I've got an idea.)

Also, Prim? If the energy fields like the ones you had a character try to read off Neste once are readable by Aegis or his tech and they try to read them, it will succeed. Until Kwa'a has some available energy for powers she stands no chance of foiliing such attempts (probably tough to impossible otherwise) and should be an open book. (The plan is to have her be much more obvious to those who notice such things when excess energy is available, but currently what she is should be easy to spot if someone is actually looking.)

If some info you want to state (as opposed to just implying that your char now knows X detail) isn't in her old app or you merely have no patience to dig *cough* bio *cough* just TG me. If I'm online I should get back to you within 30 min.

[The BranRiech]

Someone doesn't have to explicitly scream, "Hey, come over here and see what we're doing, Drova!" for him to get involved. He was already following her to the elevator before, wasn't he (unless I read wrong)? Why wouldn't he notice what everyone else around her is noticing, which is that the girlfriend he just made 10 minutes go is now packing up and moving for God knows how long? That's not something you just casually walk away from.

Well, he is a part of the scene, so I'd assume his name be at least mentioned once or so just because everyone else seemed to get a little mention. It's like everyone else is just happy to pretend that my characters conveniently don't exist when a scene is playing out. Drova was with Torii for a while before she went to go with Marcus and Gio, and he kept following along with her to the elevator where they're talking right now, yeah? So now the teens are at the elevator, but posts stopped mentioning Drova, like, the posts would mention every other single character that was there, but conveniently skip over my character for some reason or the other. It's probably not intentional, but when it happens this much, I can't help but feel that either I'm not noticed, or am being written out of the scene.

[Mincaldenteans]

Someone doesn't have to explicitly scream, "Hey, come over here and see what we're doing, Drova!" for him to get involved. He was already following her to the elevator before, wasn't he (unless I read wrong)? Why wouldn't he notice what everyone else around her is noticing, which is that the girlfriend he just made 10 minutes go is now packing up and moving for God knows how long? That's not something you just casually walk away from.

Well, he is a part of the scene, so I'd assume his name be at least mentioned once or so just because everyone else seemed to get a little mention. It's like everyone else is just happy to pretend that my characters conveniently don't exist when a scene is playing out. Drova was with Torii for a while before she went to go with Marcus and Gio, and he kept following along with her to the elevator where they're talking right now, yeah? So now the teens are at the elevator, but posts stopped mentioning Drova, like, the posts would mention every other single character that was there, but conveniently skip over my character for some reason or the other. It's probably not intentional, but when it happens this much, I can't help but feel that either I'm not noticed, or am being written out of the scene.

Bran, not every char is going to be mentioned. My characters are constantly not mentioned, be it as minute as a meeting to as big as a battlefield. They get referenced, but I wouldn't be sure or know unless I read the IC (sometimes they're not even spoken of!). No one's ignoring you, but if ever you're unsure ask/inquire rather than assume, presume, or accuse others of ignoring your characters or writing them off. That's unfair to them.

This goes for everyone with multiple characters, not just Bran. This is why we have an ooc. Put too many characters in the pot, confusion is bound happen and is understandable; ask in the OOC AFTER you've read the IC. Clarify in your inquiry which part of IC needs explaining to understand your character positions.

[Giovenith]

What Min said. This is not a unique phenomena to you, there are lots of times where we establish our characters are present, but no one flat-out acknowledges them by name, this is especially true if many characters are present at one (we don't say, "... and then Shaggy, and Scooby, and Fred, and Daphne, and Velma..." we say, "... and then the gang..."), or something of great attention is happening and all individual characters are clearly focused on that ("Holy crap, look at that murder going on over there! Also, have I mentioned that Bob is in our group?"). This is the nature writing groups. If it's already been established by you or someone else once that a character is in fact present, it is not necessary to continuously reaffirm the character's presence, because that is just stating the obvious. What our characters do in a situation and how they make themselves known is our own responsibility, we cannot consistently depend on explicit cues from everyone else; we need to be able to think for ourselves and draw conclusions from the obvious.

[The BranRiech]

*Nods*

I wouldn't have even posted it if I didn't think seriously about it, but yeah, your guy's points all make sense. Sorry for getting angry about it all. I'm still dealing with a lot of the same issues I was when I was depressed 2 years ago, as people who were in PL at the time would remember.

[Cerillium]

Everyone, please take into account relationship dynamics. Marcus reacted badly to the news. He looked to Giovenith, his rock. Giovenith didn't acknowledge Marcus' look. The character was (as Marcus correctly identified) "in the same boat" - stunned. Her reaction was to reach out to Tora for the reasons given in her post. Marcus' focus, too, is on Tora. He won't pay the lack of acknowledgment any mind.

If anime addicts are going to write anime instead of story, they must picture scenes in that light.

White holes: that moment in anime when all the characters in the group lose their sharp definition while the main element of the scene is sharply defined. Drova, Nick, Giovenith and Marcus lost all definition, and Sep and Nes and cultist were blurred right out of the scene. Tora and Katya remained in sharp definition and the envelope bearing the news was perhaps the sharpest of all.

The white holes don't become defined until each defines themselves with dialog or action. They step forward subdued or else their moods are marked by visual language (blue lines over the face for depression, popped vein for anger, sweat beads for discomfort).

Torsii writes in an anime style. He adopts behaviors without fully understanding culture but he consistently nails them.

"H-hey, it's not like I'm going forever, and I'm not being kicked out.", Torii said. "It'll be okay."

Tears began to form in her eyes. She wiped them away, trying not to break down. She struggled to say anything else.

Katya was still trying to maintain her own cautiously optimistic demeanor. "It couldn't be that long, I suppose. No worries, right?"

Tora didn't look at any character. In anime, she wouldn't. Her actions (forced to leave) affect her friends (shame on her for doing that!) and she must display both apology and reassurance. This is conveyed though short dialog and little action. Spot on, Torsii. To acknowledge any individual is to state that another individual's grief is valued less by Tora. Anime counters this by having each character assert themselves. White holes define themselves. Giovenith's hug. Marcus indignation. Drova's anger. These things build Tora's moment.

[Cerillium]

Romance

RMB post by Giovenith:

https://youtu.be/eK7OCJrJoos
A really good piece that I agreed with when it came to writing. It's anime-centric for the video, but can honestly be applied to any medium. Worth a listen.

Digi makes excellent observations.

tl:dw version -

• Establish the character to give us something to have interest in, then venture into the drama once we've seen enough to be invested in their fate.
• Give them lives outside of their romance. Romance affects the lives of people involved, and that lends towards intrigue. Was delighted to see him touch upon Akagami no Shirayukihimi. Potent series because they could have lived their entire lives without ever meeting, so the relationship becomes a strong influence that betters them as people.
• Romantic anime usually comes from manga. The animated versions rely upon narration and dialog. Role players saturated (and thus influenced) by anime tend to do the same: exposition and dialog. PL Characters tend to sit around and do nothing, using meal preparation or "hanging out" as a paltry substitute for "action". Dramatic reaction shots serve as fillers, however these convey more than narration could.
• Conflict in RP vs anime. Role play has an overarching story. This motivator keeps the characters moving. Romantic anime may not have this. It stands alone.

Thanks for posting the link, Gio!

[Giovenith]

Ja!

[The BranRiech]

Mmm, not sure I get it. Is there anything wrong with Drova/Torii's relationship? I'm about to head to work here, so I'll respond when I get home tonight, but I'm just wondering.

[Cerillium]

Fvaar and Prim, thanks for teaming up. Makes it much easier for me on weeknights. Much appreciated! Woods are a good place to start.

@Bran. There's nothing wrong with the relationship. It's a budding romance. That bud is nipped by the girl's departure.

[Giovenith]

Mmm, not sure I get it. Is there anything wrong with Drova/Torii's relationship? I'm about to head to work here, so I'll respond when I get home tonight, but I'm just wondering.

No, you're good. It's just sharing something that could come in handy for anyone wanting to write romance in the future.

[Torsiedelle]

So....we're writing well?

At the hotel, by the way

[Fvaarniimar]

*Squeezes you*