The Era of the Enlightened(OOC/Sign UPs/AH-RP)

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Still, after the arrival of the Old World folk and the like 75% population loss, I dont think you'd be expanding. If anything, you'd be contracting as cities are depopulated and abandoned and *cough* twenty years of warfare=/=stability or cause to grow.

Real empires don't say "maybe we should wait until our cities are repopulated to reconquer" they say "well we can win these battles, why not conquer?" Since Qosqo and it's immediate area would still have the largest population base.

mmmmmm

Empires like that, like the Mongols and Timurids didn't last long. Empire that expanded carefully like Rome and China did.

[Sanabel]

Venice is going to be needing this:

[Reatra]

Real empires don't say "maybe we should wait until our cities are repopulated to reconquer" they say "well we can win these battles, why not conquer?" Since Qosqo and it's immediate area would still have the largest population base.

mmmmmm

Empires like that, like the Mongols and Timurids didn't last long. Empire that expanded carefully like Rome and China did.

*implying Rome expanded carefully and China expanded at all*



And they were culturally homogenous like China, meaning that it was easier to reunify then you might expect.




OKAY SERIOUSLY I NEED TO CLOSE THIS TAB I NEED TO WORK

[Conchabira]

fix your quote please.



And again, they were 100 years older, meaning that most of their IRL lands were assimilated into their Runa Simi language and religion, and that means, like China, it was easier to reunify.

Fixed my quote here it is:

Reatra, you need to edit your app alot. There is no way your population is 18 million, specify what you mean by "modernized", and you need to bring you map claims back to the Andes, the farthest possible you could've expanded was maybe a little past the andes into Peru and Bolivia but thats about it.

To the Dutch player, sorry I got my dates jumbled everythin is good.

They did THIS in ONE CENTURY

First off I am not denying your existence or anything and I actually think it will be interesting to have you rp that but the Inca's also can't be OP. It was only 150 that you lost around 90% of your population. I think 18 million is a bit much, you should bring it down by about 10 mil. Also you are VERY over expanded, you should reign it in back to the Andes. I unsderstand how fast tge expanded originally but they also just took a serious setback. Also how modernized are you talking? I think steel weaponry and armour is fair but guns and horses should not be widespread.

@Glitter, I really don't want to start an argument with you. I was accepted over 20 pages ago and the Dutch player and I were just confirming that our histories matched, thats all.
Now imagine what they could do in two. Remember, my Qosqo started to conquer in 1300, not 1400. They literally had an extra century to assimilate their subjects into their culture, something they were SO VERY INCREDIBLY good at IRL.


Believe me, I could rant about this and go to so many internet pages and books to prove you wrong, but I have an essay to write, and I wouldn't make an app without knowing what was possible.

I am not denying the ability of a surving Inca(or whatever the hell it is) nation considering we have a Muslim Spain. All I am saying is that you need to lower your pop down to like 6-8 million and reign yourself back to the Andrs with maybe a little bit in Bolivia or something. Also tech wise, steel weapons and armour is fair but you should not have sizeable amounts of horses or guns.

@Glitter, I don't want to start an argument. The Dutch player and I were just working out our histories and checking them with eachother and I got my dates mixed thats all. Also I was accepted like 20 pages ago.

[Jaslandia]

Yeah Burgundy wasn't accepted yet and Dutch Independence is determined by the Dutch player not the Burgundian player.

I set my independence date at 1583. It's what the Burgundian player had in his history, and it makes sense (the Dutch Revolt lasted around 20 years in this timeline, which is still pretty long). Plus, William the Silent died a year later, which is kinda fitting from a storytelling perspective.

[Conchabira]

Venice is going to be needing this:

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Lol, we are going to need 1,000 of him if Catholic Europe wants to survive. Seriously though the Muslims seem pretty tolerant though, I'm focusing on the Protestants.(at least for now )

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Venice is going to be needing this:

(Image)

Lol, we are going to need 1,000 of him if Catholic Europe wants to survive. Seriously though the Muslims seem pretty tolerant though, I'm focusing on the Protestants.(at least for now )

It's 1700 and England could burn down half your country in 30 minutes.

[Conchabira]

Lol, we are going to need 1,000 of him if Catholic Europe wants to survive. Seriously though the Muslims seem pretty tolerant though, I'm focusing on the Protestants.(at least for now )

It's 1700 and England could burn down half your country in 30 minutes.

England dosen't become OP until the 19th century. My population and army is larger than yours plus you just pretty much came out of a war meanwhile Burgundy is pretty fresh. Also our navies are about equal so good luck gettin across the channel. I also did not say I was going to war with you, but I do plan to use this Gaelic cleansing thing to my advantage.

[Reatra]

Lol, we are going to need 1,000 of him if Catholic Europe wants to survive. Seriously though the Muslims seem pretty tolerant though, I'm focusing on the Protestants.(at least for now )

It's 1700 and England could burn down half your country in 30 minutes.

Uhhhh....

Hmmmm....

Oooooooh...

[Kisinger]

429 up in this bitch so Kisi will see it.


Kisi: map shit. China needs Inner AND Outer Manchuria, including Sakhalin, as well as the Western Regions.

Also, I want to switch dynasties from Qing to extended modified Tang dynasty (although not necessarily under the same name) , with the same territories.

>has western regions that I'm willing to give
>calm your tits I'm on mobile

Reat, Liec, the Pueblos guy, and Inessa or whatever accepted

[Reatra]

Kis


Y U TEEZ US WID A IC LINK

IT GOEZ TU "CREEAIT UH THRED"

[Kisinger]

Wait, is the Papal States player still around? Cause I want to have Tuscant somehow own Romagna as well as my claim in Modena(remember, I claim all of Modern day Tuscany). Then Tuscany would have two coasts and be MEGA TRADING POWER! MUAHAHAHA! Naples, wanna help me betray me religion and form an alliance and/or trade pact with a Muslim state? Hint: that would be you. Also, who owns Libya? I was thinking that if Glitter would be so kind as to let me nab at least Tripoli. A small tiny little colony for small tiny little me.

> Tuscany relevant

[Kisinger]

Kis


Y U TEEZ US WID A IC LINK

IT GOEZ TU "CREEAIT UH THRED"

He's caught on! Kill him!

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Tuscany Irredenta. Gib Romagna, Gib Corsica. Wait, I can claim Corsica now that the Borthday Italian guy switched. Excuse me while I make a new claim.

[Kisinger]

Tuscany Irredenta. Gib Romagna, Gib Corsica. Wait, I can claim Corsica now that the Borthday Italian guy switched. Excuse me while I make a new claim.

>Look at map

[Reatra]

Wait, is the Papal States player still around? Cause I want to have Tuscant somehow own Romagna as well as my claim in Modena(remember, I claim all of Modern day Tuscany). Then Tuscany would have two coasts and be MEGA TRADING POWER! MUAHAHAHA! Naples, wanna help me betray me religion and form an alliance and/or trade pact with a Muslim state? Hint: that would be you. Also, who owns Libya? I was thinking that if Glitter would be so kind as to let me nab at least Tripoli. A small tiny little colony for small tiny little me.

> Tuscany relevant

#IPlayEUIV

[Conchabira]

429 up in this bitch so Kisi will see it.


Kisi: map shit. China needs Inner AND Outer Manchuria, including Sakhalin, as well as the Western Regions.

Also, I want to switch dynasties from Qing to extended modified Tang dynasty (although not necessarily under the same name) , with the same territories.

>has western regions that I'm willing to give
>calm your tits I'm on mobile

Reat, Liec, the Pueblos guy, and Inessa or whatever accepted

Can you plz edit the map then because there are some overlapping claims I think.
Also, what exactly is Reatra's population and tech status because I think 18 million is a bit much.

@Reatra, these links prove nothing, the Scots, Welsh and Irish wouldn't side with the English anyway and my population IS larger than his, my Belgian province alone is like half of his total population, now tack Luxembourg, about 1/3 of France, and considerable amounts of Germany and Switzerland. Add it up and my population is bigger.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

CODE: SELECT ALL
Reservation
Nation Name: Kingdom of Tuscany
Location/Claims: Location: Modern Tuscany, RL Parma, Modena, Corsica. Claimed: Romagna(it's in Popeland)
This is my reservation, there are many like it but this one is mine.
~Part of the Kool Kids Klub~ Do not delete

[Kisinger]

>has western regions that I'm willing to give
>calm your tits I'm on mobile

Reat, Liec, the Pueblos guy, and Inessa or whatever accepted

Can you plz edit the map then because there are some overlapping claims I think.
Also, what exactly is Reatra's population and tech status because I think 18 million is a bit much.

I will rn and get on my computer

[Conchabira]

Can you plz edit the map then because there are some overlapping claims I think.
Also, what exactly is Reatra's population and tech status because I think 18 million is a bit much.

I will rn and get on my computer

Thanks because I want the whole territory thing settled already, I've had to completely change my colonial setup in the new world and I don't want to do it again.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

It's 1700 and England could burn down half your country in 30 minutes.

England dosen't become OP until the 19th century. My population and army is larger than yours plus you just pretty much came out of a war meanwhile Burgundy is pretty fresh. Also our navies are about equal so good luck gettin across the channel. I also did not say I was going to war with you, but I do plan to use this Gaelic cleansing thing to my advantage.

Our navies are not equal lol. Do you know why? I don't even know the size of my navy yet. Kissinger and I are still discussing that. Moral of the story: mine is bigger than yours.

The Gaelic Clearances can't do shit lmfao. The Irish just got their asses handed to them like 9 years ago and are in no position to rebel.

@Reatra google what a hyperbole and an understatement is and get back to me

[Conchabira]

England dosen't become OP until the 19th century. My population and army is larger than yours plus you just pretty much came out of a war meanwhile Burgundy is pretty fresh. Also our navies are about equal so good luck gettin across the channel. I also did not say I was going to war with you, but I do plan to use this Gaelic cleansing thing to my advantage.

Our navies are not equal lol. Do you know why? I don't even know the size of my navy yet. Kissinger and I are still discussing that. Moral of the story: mine is bigger than yours.

The Gaelic Clearances can't do shit lmfao. The Irish just got their asses handed to them like 9 years ago and are in no position to rebel.

@Reatra google what a hyperbole and an understatement is and get back to me

Seriously I don't want to argue and this is actually my last post of the night. My navy is pretty big since my nation is trade based for the most part and considering I have large timber reserves and colonies all over the globe, you can't just go "my navy kicks your navy's butt". Again this is all OOC talk and I really hate arguing, save all of this for when the IC is actually up. Goodnight and good luck!

Also if you wish, tomorrow I will search around a bit and find out exactly what the size of my navy is ok?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

>has western regions that I'm willing to give
>calm your tits I'm on mobile

Reat, Liec, the Pueblos guy, and Inessa or whatever accepted

Can you plz edit the map then because there are some overlapping claims I think.
Also, what exactly is Reatra's population and tech status because I think 18 million is a bit much.

@Reatra, these links prove nothing, the Scots, Welsh and Irish wouldn't side with the English anyway and my population IS larger than his, my Belgian province alone is like half of his total population, now tack Luxembourg, about 1/3 of France, and considerable amounts of Germany and Switzerland. Add it up and my population is bigger.

I love how incredibly ignorant you are in regards the domestic status of the Three Kingdoms lmfao. The Welsh and Scots go along with the English and the Irish are slowly dying or being deported.

Luxembourg is home to like a population of 75 people. If by considerable amounts of Germany you mean like three provinces then sure. This is not how math works lmfao. Sources like populstat and even wikipedia are used for shit like this, not mashing a bunch of regions together and assuming people live in them.

Our navies are not equal lol. Do you know why? I don't even know the size of my navy yet. Kissinger and I are still discussing that. Moral of the story: mine is bigger than yours.

The Gaelic Clearances can't do shit lmfao. The Irish just got their asses handed to them like 9 years ago and are in no position to rebel.

@Reatra google what a hyperbole and an understatement is and get back to me

Seriously I don't want to argue and this is actually my last post of the night. My navy is pretty big since my nation is trade based for the most part and considering I have large timber reserves and colonies all over the globe, you can't just go "my navy kicks your navy's butt". Again this is all OOC talk and I really hate arguing, save all of this for when the IC is actually up. Goodnight and good luck!

My navy is still better and larger than yours

Also one reason your colonial empire is so big is because you claimed pretty unrealistic places for what is essentially a replacement for France in 1700. I mean I could have claimed chunks of Africa and Asia just as you did, but I like to keep my nations within the bounds of realism and not cite "alt-history" to claim land that doesn't make sense for the era.

[Reatra]

England dosen't become OP until the 19th century. My population and army is larger than yours plus you just pretty much came out of a war meanwhile Burgundy is pretty fresh. Also our navies are about equal so good luck gettin across the channel. I also did not say I was going to war with you, but I do plan to use this Gaelic cleansing thing to my advantage.

Our navies are not equal lol. Do you know why? I don't even know the size of my navy yet. Kissinger and I are still discussing that. Moral of the story: mine is bigger than yours.

The Gaelic Clearances can't do shit lmfao. The Irish just got their asses handed to them like 9 years ago and are in no position to rebel.

@Reatra google what a hyperbole and an understatement is and get back to me

Aaaaaaah...

Huuuuuuh...?

[Kisinger]

In the next update, I'll do the HRE(to what extent I can) and Muslim expansion into Eastern Europe, and the Incan thing... Plus the Dutch!

And a few minor border changes for NPCs...

Oh and since we have way more then enough players... NPCs! Yas!