The Era of the Enlightened(OOC/Sign UPs/AH-RP)

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Wasp Town, can you send me the link to the map of Japan? The one with the various states.

[Alouite]

Vermont used to be called New Connecticut, because we wrote their constitution. We claim them.

CT used to own Long Island. Claim that.

CT used to claim southern Delaware. Claim that.

We used to claim Westmoreland County, PA. Claim that.

CT used to claim the Firelands in Ohio. Claim that too.

We used to own chunks of Oklahoma, New Mexico, Kansas, Colorado, and Wyoming. If we kept that, maybe Alaska might lose bragging rights...

Maryland used to own DC and had claims on Deleware. We win.

[Sanabel]

We used to own chunks of Oklahoma, New Mexico, Kansas, Colorado, and Wyoming. If we kept that, maybe Alaska might lose bragging rights...

Maryland used to own DC and had claims on Deleware. We win.

But your empire wouldn't have land in the great lakes!

[Fridur]

Maryland used to own DC and had claims on Deleware. We win.

But your empire wouldn't have land in the great lakes!

I've been wanting to have my app accepted. It's in the great lakes...

[Sanabel]

But your empire wouldn't have land in the great lakes!

I've been wanting to have my app accepted. It's in the great lakes...

We are talking about our irl states.

[Wasp Town]

Wasp Town, can you send me the link to the map of Japan? The one with the various states.

There Ye go.

[Sanabel]

Wasp Town, can you send me the link to the map of Japan? The one with the various states.

There Ye go.

Japan, want relations with the powerful Empire, the jewel/hegemon of the Med, Napolistan?

[Wasp Town]

There Ye go.

Japan, want relations with the powerful Empire, the jewel/hegemon of the Med, Napolistan?

Sure, don't see why not. Send over some diplomats and we can get some trading started ur something.

[Conchabira]

Japan, want relations with the powerful Empire, the jewel/hegemon of the Med, Napolistan?

Sure, don't see why not. Send over some diplomats and we can get some trading started ur something.

Uhhh wat?

[Reatra]

Poorly. His descent into fanaticism is just starting. A rejection means that he'll have the Patriarch declare your ortho not ortho and after that he'll work on having the Khanates raid you.

Lol, this is 1700 the Khanates should be glad that they're not being raided by him, light horse calvary, the primary unit in the Khans army, are innefective now with gunpowder weapons plus the thing about the Orthodox Patriarch denouncing him is BS, Orthodoxy is not centralized at all, mean there are Greek, Russian, Georgian, Armenian and Serbian Orthodox not to mention the Copts.

@reatra, what gunpowder weapons, even if you do have any there is no way that you have more than 5,000 troops armed with them. This is 1700 and the Europeans themselves are just phasing out the pike. Also, I know that you are supposed to be somewhat modernized but there do have to be limits mean you guys hadn't even invented the wheel before the Spanish got there irl, even if you do have flying llamas

The Inkas always immediately adopted technology from those they fought. And with a few missionaries and soldiers coming demanding silver they'd be captured and forced to reveal secrets. Wheels aren't useful before pack animals, so there's that.


And look at how crazy the technology of Tawantinsuyu was IRL, more developed than most Euroepan states.

[Sanabel]

Sure, don't see why not. Send over some diplomats and we can get some trading started ur something.

Uhhh wat?

Hush up

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Wasp Town, can you send me the link to the map of Japan? The one with the various states.

There Ye go.

Let's fight over Korea. Or better yet, let's split it. Invade, partition. Pull a Poland.

[Sanabel]

Lol, this is 1700 the Khanates should be glad that they're not being raided by him, light horse calvary, the primary unit in the Khans army, are innefective now with gunpowder weapons plus the thing about the Orthodox Patriarch denouncing him is BS, Orthodoxy is not centralized at all, mean there are Greek, Russian, Georgian, Armenian and Serbian Orthodox not to mention the Copts.

@reatra, what gunpowder weapons, even if you do have any there is no way that you have more than 5,000 troops armed with them. This is 1700 and the Europeans themselves are just phasing out the pike. Also, I know that you are supposed to be somewhat modernized but there do have to be limits mean you guys hadn't even invented the wheel before the Spanish got there irl, even if you do have flying llamas

The Inkas always immediately adopted technology from those they fought. And with a few missionaries and soldiers coming demanding silver they'd be captured and forced to reveal secrets. Wheels aren't useful before pack animals, so there's that.


And look at how crazy the technology of Tawantinsuyu was IRL, more developed than most Euroepan states.

Yes but they had no immunity to diseases.

[Soviet Chernarus]

There Ye go.

Let's fight over Korea. Or better yet, let's split it. Invade, partition. Pull a Poland.

Bad idea. China would probably get super pissed

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

I don't really have a relationship with Denmark. Wikipedia made it sound like Denmark and the Netherlands had a (mostly) strong relationship in the 1500s and 1600s (there's nothing about the 1700s), but since this is alt-hist, and I don't know when we'll get a Danish player, we can just say relations became strained in recent years, and the Dutch are becoming closer with the Swedes.

We already have one, but I don't believe he's made an app yet. Also, in that case, we'd more than glad to ally you, or at the very least try to improve relations ^_^

Yeah, the last week has been busy for me. I'll have extra time soon, so I should be able to get an app for Denmark up soon

[Conchabira]

Lol, this is 1700 the Khanates should be glad that they're not being raided by him, light horse calvary, the primary unit in the Khans army, are innefective now with gunpowder weapons plus the thing about the Orthodox Patriarch denouncing him is BS, Orthodoxy is not centralized at all, mean there are Greek, Russian, Georgian, Armenian and Serbian Orthodox not to mention the Copts.

@reatra, what gunpowder weapons, even if you do have any there is no way that you have more than 5,000 troops armed with them. This is 1700 and the Europeans themselves are just phasing out the pike. Also, I know that you are supposed to be somewhat modernized but there do have to be limits mean you guys hadn't even invented the wheel before the Spanish got there irl, even if you do have flying llamas

The Inkas always immediately adopted technology from those they fought. And with a few missionaries and soldiers coming demanding silver they'd be captured and forced to reveal secrets. Wheels aren't useful before pack animals, so there's that.


And look at how crazy the technology of Tawantinsuyu was IRL, more developed than most Euroepan states.

That still doesn't mean that in 150(during a period where you lost like 80% of your population) you were able to create a large, centralized, technological advance with all of the perks of a European state at the time. Also, what the hell do you mean more developed than the Europeans IRL, they had no knowledge of carts, wheels, plows, true archs, potters wheels, iron and glass making and stringed instruments. They were literally living in the stone age before contact with Europeans. Also more contact with Europeans as stated above would just mean more devastation due to disease on your population. On another note I am now always going to refer to your nation as the "Inkas" from now on.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

Let's fight over Korea. Or better yet, let's split it. Invade, partition. Pull a Poland.

Bad idea. China would probably get super pissed

Can we split Korea?

[Soviet Chernarus]

Bad idea. China would probably get super pissed

Can we split Korea?

With who?

[Sanabel]

Generic Info
Nation Name: Emirato di Napoli
Symbols:
(Image)
Homeland Population: 8 million
Imperial Population: N/A
Location/Claims: See map
Capital City: Napoli

Government Info
Government Type: Full monarchy (emirate)
Brief Explanation of Government: The Emir is in charge of the nation. He presides over a council of governors that are in charge of various regions. However, all power lies in his hands.
Ideology: Monarchism, militarism, imperialism
Leader/s: Emir Abdulo II

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: The people of the Emirato are "enlightened". They, for the most part, are accepting and intellectual, and not the most fervently religious of peoples. However, many religious conservatives lie throughout.
Religion: Sunni Islam, small Catholic minority.
Ethnicity: 60% Italian, 40% Arab
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Islamo-Italian, Arabico-Italian, Arabic
Other Cultures: Traditional Italian, Traditional Sicilian, African, Turkish

Military Info
Army: 50,000 Active Duty, 90,000 Reserves. The Army uses modern arms, and employs the use of cavalry, cannons, and other modern technologies of war. The Army is mostly centered around the northern frontier of the state, poised for combat in Italy. However, there is a solid garrison presence throughout the Emirate. Joining the Army is seen as a very noble thing, and it is strictly professional. However, there is never a shortage of combatants, as the Army is seen as a way to enact Allah's will, and to fight for their religion.
Navy: 20,000 Active Duty. The Navy is a very large affair when it comes to money spent on it. used mostly for coastal defense, and trade facilitation. It is high quality and well trained, using mostly quality over quantity.
It possesses:
First Rate(80 guns+|500-600 Crew) X 3 = 1,600
Second Rate(60-80 guns|400-500 Crew) X 5 = 2,200
Third and Fourth Rates (40-60 Guns|300-400 Crew) X 10 = 3,500
Sixth-Fifth Rates (20-40 Guns|100-300 Crew) X 19 = 3,800
Galleasses/Galleys/Sloops/Brigs(<20 guns) X 32 = 3,200
Total Ship Board = 14,300
Total Marine = 3,700
Total Support = 2,000


Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: The economy is a capitalist free market, that is based around mostly trade and agriculture. Because of its location, the Emirate is able to have a strong hand in trade across the Sea, with their ports acting as waystations and layover sites, their navy helping to secure travel. Currently, the Emirate controls more wealth than all other Italian states combined, by far.(This is true IRL, and that's without Tunisia!)
Goals: *Unify the Apennine Peninsula
*Expand Islam
*Not get reconquista'd up the bum
*Cozy up with a major Islamic power, or many!
History:
827: Abbasids invade Sicily. Unlike IRL, they converted much of the populace, subsequently pacifying them. Sicily prospered under Islamic rule.
871: Arab and Sicilian Muslim traders had converted much of the populace of coastal southern Italy, a populace who had grown dissatisfied with Byzantine rule. They quickly converted, seeing the sucess of such rule in Sicily. Due to this Muslim support, the invasion of Southern Italy in 871 ended swiftly, with the Arabs able to capture up to Napoli. This invasion had been carried out by Tunisian and Sicilian Muslims.
910: Fighting against Byzantium leads to the blending of Tunisian, Sicilian, and Southern Italian culture and languages.
920: An attempted retaking of the Italian peninsula and Sicily leads to a united counterattack led by Tunisian Arabs. This successful defense leads to the unification of said lands under a Tunisian Emir.
1010: Being the largest city and the Emirate's cultural and economic capital, Napoli becomes the new Capital.
1050: The Emirate of Napoli officially breaks ties with the Abbasids, becoming fully independent instead of just semi-independent.

In the following years until the date at which the RP starts, the Emirate of Napoli became a successful trading power in the Mediterranean. They facilitated trade, became established as a center of wealth and culture, and expanded to Malta. The Emirate grew their military and kept it modern, faced with a border with the capital of Christendom. Currently, the Emirate is planning an incursion into Al-Cagliar(Sardinia) and Venice.

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It's alright. Not my best work, but I really just want to post already. This thing took forever with my schedge as it is now.

[Senkaku]

(Image)
There Ye go.

Let's fight over Korea. Or better yet, let's split it. Invade, partition. Pull a Poland.

Yes, because the only thing better than being directly invaded by the Chinese is pissing them off hugely by invading one of their most loyal vassals.

Seriously though, if Japan pays tribute and whatnot, and maybe lets the Chinese ambassador(s) have a little more political power than they otherwise would, the Chinese will probably be content. They just want Nippon to pay homage to the Son of Heaven.


But if that doesn't work, well, jiedushi Zhou would love to get a second governorate.

[Wasp Town]

Let's fight over Korea. Or better yet, let's split it. Invade, partition. Pull a Poland.

Yes, because the only thing better than being directly invaded by the Chinese is pissing them off hugely by invading one of their most loyal vassals.

Seriously though, if Japan pays tribute and whatnot, and maybe lets the Chinese ambassador(s) have a little more political power than they otherwise would, the Chinese will probably be content. They just want Nippon to pay homage to the Son of Heaven.


But if that doesn't work, well, jiedushi Zhou would love to get a second governorate.

We will fight you to the slightly wounded!!
We can't afford tribute right now... Food must be imported, revolutionaries bribed, armies paid and enemies satisfied... We aren't made of money over here yah know.
I can assure you there will be some skirmishing in Sakhalin, though I doubt that the fighting will progress to our homelands before we surrender or you retreat.

As to invading Korea, I think we should wait until we gain some power. I would say we battle over some central unclaimed land in Japan, modernize and eventually, sometime in the far future, form a confederated united Nippon. Then we can invade Korea, hopefully with naval superiority so as to keep the Chinese off the island. Until such a time we will just have to wage war and try to grow in power from our isle.

[Soviet Chernarus]

Generic Info
Nation Name: Kingdom of Sweden
Symbols:
SwedishFlag
Coat of Arms
Homeland Population: 2.2 million (is this reasonable?)
Imperial Population: ~25,000
Location/Claims: Claims are specified on the map.
Capital City: Stockholm

Government Info
Government Type: Absolute monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: The king wields unlimited power and rules as a powerful monarch; while the Riksdag is the next highest authority in the empire after the king, it has very little authority. In the so-called Declaration of Sovereignty (1693), the Riksdag stated that the king was "an all-commanding sovereign king responsible for his actions to none on earth, but with power and authority as a Christian King to rule his land as seemeth him best."
Ideology: Monarchism, Lutheranism, Swedish nationalism, imperialism, militarism, absolutism
Leader/s:
King Charles XII


Population Info
Brief Description of your people: A hard-working, determined people, Swedes have taken great pride in their nation, given their recent rise into a Great Power. Once an insignificant little nation on the peripherals of Europe, Sweden has become a Great Power with an efficient military and brilliant military commanders.
Religion: Church of Sweden (Lutheran)
Ethnicity: Swedes
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Swedish
Other Cultures: Ingrian, German, Russian, Estonian, Livonian, Danish, Norwegian

Military Info
Army: Consisting of a total of 75,000 troops, the Swedish army, while small in size in comparison to the other Great Powers, makes up for its skill, leadership, discipline, and training; using mostly domestic weapons designs, religion is used as an important tool to keep soldier's morale and discipline high as opposed to having a rag-tag band of unwilling conscripts. This has effectively shaped the Swedish army into one of the most efficient and professional in all of Europe, if not the world, although it does have its own problems and weaknesses, including a small manpower pool. Swedish soldiers are usually religious, very disciplined, well-lead, well-trained, and equipped with weapons that are usually produced at home, reducing Sweden's reliance on other countries for weapons and such. The army has also proven itself of its fierce fighting ability on numerous occasions, the most notable perhaps when it was lead by Gustavus Adolphus in the Thirty Years War. The army uses an allotment system, and after numerous reforms conducted under Karl XI, it had been reformed significantly, with a shift and greater focus towards religion with the main purpose being to keep order within the ranks.

In addition to this, the Swedish army continues to fight in an unconventional manner to that of contemporary Europe; the army largely relies on shock tactics, attacking to surprise and demoralize the enemy. Swedish army doctrine is largely offensive-based, and military units are never ordered to retreat, a doctrine which, in the future, may prove to be rash and detrimental to the nation. Soldiers are ordered to shoot the enemy at close range, enhancing the accuracy of the shot and providing a brief period of time for the soldiers to charge and attack the enemy. Grenadiers are usually attached to these soldiers, and support the musketeers by lobbing grenades at the enemy. Sweden has placed a greater emphasis on the firepower of each individual battalion. It is also one of the few remaining nations still using the pike, which, due to the introduction of the bayonet, has been disbanded by most nations. The pike is generally used as an offensive weapon, using it to fend off cavalry charges and break enemy lines during charges.
Navy: The Swedish navy, while not having received as much prestige, power, or funds as the army, is nevertheless still a force that cannot be ignored; maintaining a constant presence mostly in the Baltics, the navy more or less usually uses ships specialized in warfare in archipelagos and shallow waters. Galleys, which are able to navigate through the shallow waters and many islands off the coast of Sweden and Finland, have become a common sight among the navy, and there are perhaps dozens in the navy - the oars are usually manned by soldiers, which makes the ship particularly useful for amphibious warfare. While heavier ships that are able to operate on open waters have been constructed, they are usually few in number. Sweden's naval capabilities are limited due to the ineffectiveness of mobilizing resources and funds for the navy, and as a result, the navy is considerably smaller than the navies of other great powers. It currently consists of around 20,000 personnel.

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Sweden is rich in natural resources - iron, copper, silver, wood, tar, herring, helping to fuel its economy. Also, the empire controls many important trade routes which prove to be major sources of revenue and income; this ranges; despite controlling much of the Baltic Sea, it does not have full control of it due to the neighboring Danes, who control the Straits. Effective economic management and administrative efficiency have also allowed the Swedish economy to weather through the strain of wars which the King has involved the nation in.
Goals:
-Gain full control of the Baltic
-Continue to remain a Great Power
-Expand colonies in the New World
-Keep Russia divided for as long as possible...because screw them.
History: Sweden's history goes more or less like IOTL, with several major differences; colonization efforts, instead of establishing New Sweden, are directed towards the Hudson's Bay, where a colony called New Finland is founded in the 1640s (if that's not too unreasonable; haven't really ironed out all the details yet, so I welcome criticism if anything is unrealistic). While the initial colony is small, and Sweden's small population make it so the initial settlers only number in the hundreds, Finns and Lapps began to travel to the colony. It becomes profitable, thanks to fur pelts. In addition, their adaptations to the climate allow the colony to eventually thrive. Another major difference lies within the Dano-Swedish wars of 1657-1660; Denmark keeps its territories east of the Sound, but Sweden assumes control of Northern Norway.
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[Senkaku]

Yes, because the only thing better than being directly invaded by the Chinese is pissing them off hugely by invading one of their most loyal vassals.

Seriously though, if Japan pays tribute and whatnot, and maybe lets the Chinese ambassador(s) have a little more political power than they otherwise would, the Chinese will probably be content. They just want Nippon to pay homage to the Son of Heaven.


But if that doesn't work, well, jiedushi Zhou would love to get a second governorate.

We will fight you to the slightly wounded!!
We can't afford tribute right now... Food must be imported, revolutionaries bribed, armies paid and enemies satisfied... We aren't made of money over here yah know.
I can assure you there will be some skirmishing in Sakhalin, though I doubt that the fighting will progress to our homelands before we surrender or you retreat.

As to invading Korea, I think we should wait until we gain some power. I would say we battle over some central unclaimed land in Japan, modernize and eventually, sometime in the far future, form a confederated united Nippon. Then we can invade Korea, hopefully with naval superiority so as to keep the Chinese off the island. Until such a time we will just have to wage war and try to grow in power from our isle.

>unified Japan
>Ainu are alive
>China is stronk
>naval superiority over China
>invasion of Korea
>wait till 1900 k lel

I don't know if you got my TG, Wasp, but burning Sapporo would be a nice feather in jiedushi Zhou's cap.

[Wasp Town]

We will fight you to the slightly wounded!!
We can't afford tribute right now... Food must be imported, revolutionaries bribed, armies paid and enemies satisfied... We aren't made of money over here yah know.
I can assure you there will be some skirmishing in Sakhalin, though I doubt that the fighting will progress to our homelands before we surrender or you retreat.

As to invading Korea, I think we should wait until we gain some power. I would say we battle over some central unclaimed land in Japan, modernize and eventually, sometime in the far future, form a confederated united Nippon. Then we can invade Korea, hopefully with naval superiority so as to keep the Chinese off the island. Until such a time we will just have to wage war and try to grow in power from our isle.

>unified Japan
>Ainu are alive
>China is stronk
>naval superiority over China
>invasion of Korea
>wait till 1900 k lel

I don't know if you got my TG, Wasp, but burning Sapporo would be a nice feather in jiedushi Zhou's cap.

-Shivers-

Thus "Far Future"
Hoping for a time jump or something so we can MAKE YOU EAT THOSE WOOORDS

[Senkaku]

>unified Japan
>Ainu are alive
>China is stronk
>naval superiority over China
>invasion of Korea
>wait till 1900 k lel

I don't know if you got my TG, Wasp, but burning Sapporo would be a nice feather in jiedushi Zhou's cap.

-Shivers-

Thus "Far Future"
Hoping for a time jump or something so we can MAKE YOU EAT THOSE WOOORDS

>time jump
>Zháhuǎng Governorate is now a thing

(Zháhuǎng is the Sinicization of Sapporo apparently )