Academy of Heroes and Villains: Future Present (OOC CLOSED)

[Unified Free Lands]

Really? Everyone who did those things either were just flat out psycho or just plan killed themselves. Or both.

That-That's not even remotely true.

UFL, I'm not ignoring reasons, I'm stating that there is a million other better ways to do so, and none will affect your plot. However, bring unable to leave the country and being unable for sound to get in DOES affect your plot. I mean...you could always take a boat, but then you'd be out of the rp for a few days IICly at least....

But Rose actually is a psychopath, it's just not as apparent because like I said, she's more stable than before.

And they were going to take a boat anyway no matter what happened with Brazil, because taking a flight would be too risky. The plan was to take a boat and then cross Africa by land.

[The Greater Gambia]

Really? Everyone who did those things either were just flat out psycho or just plan killed themselves. Or both.

That-That's not even remotely true.

UFL, I'm not ignoring reasons, I'm stating that there is a million other better ways to do so, and none will affect your plot. However, bring unable to leave the country and being unable for sound to get in DOES affect your plot. I mean...you could always take a boat, but then you'd be out of the rp for a few days IICly at least....

Yeah, and that is one time out of the countless other times we as a species have killed vast amounts of people in my opinion, much more brutal ways than a nuclear bomb.

The Holocaust
The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia
The Armenian Genocide
The shit that's going on in Sudan right now
The Rwandan Genocide
Any battle before the invention of guns
Most of the times European powers dealt with indigenous populations

If we as a species really had a problem with slaughtering eachother, we would have stopped a long time ago.

[Galnius]

So you are staying out of the rp for a few days iicly anyway? Why? There is a million better ways to get better results.1. Go to Brazil in person and kill them face to face. Mich more refreshing, much less stupid.2. Take them over and order their deaths. 3. Hold the whole freaking city hostage until they kill your enemies for you. And many more. Why does it HAVE to be bombing?

Really? Everyone who did those things either were just flat out psycho or just plan killed themselves. Or both.
UFL, I'm not ignoring reasons, I'm stating that there is a million other better ways to do so, and none will affect your plot. However, bring unable to leave the country and being unable for sound to get in DOES affect your plot. I mean...you could always take a boat, but then you'd be out of the rp for a few days IICly at least....

But Rose actually is a psychopath, it's just not as apparent because like I said, she's more stable than before.

And they were going to take a boat anyway no matter what happened with Brazil, because taking a flight would be too risky. The plan was to take a boat and then cross Africa by land.

[Galnius]

Psycho who commuted suicide, psycho, psycho, psycho, pre-gun wasn't exactly mass, enslavement and disease. Any I hadn't bothered to list, they were freaking psychos.

Really? Everyone who did those things either were just flat out psycho or just plan killed themselves. Or both.
UFL, I'm not ignoring reasons, I'm stating that there is a million other better ways to do so, and none will affect your plot. However, bring unable to leave the country and being unable for sound to get in DOES affect your plot. I mean...you could always take a boat, but then you'd be out of the rp for a few days IICly at least....

Yeah, and that is one time out of the countless other times we as a species have killed vast amounts of people in my opinion, much more brutal ways than a nuclear bomb.

The Holocaust
The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia
The Armenian Genocide
The shit that's going on in Sudan right now
The Rwandan Genocide
Any battle before the invention of guns
Most of the times European powers dealt with indigenous populations

If we as a species really had a problem with slaughtering eachother, we would have stopped a long time ago.

[Unified Free Lands]

So you are staying out of the rp for a few days iicly anyway? Why? There is a million better ways to get better results.1. Go to Brazil in person and kill them face to face. Mich more refreshing, much less stupid.2. Take them over and order their deaths. 3. Hold the whole freaking city hostage until they kill your enemies for you. And many more. Why does it HAVE to be bombing?

But Rose actually is a psychopath, it's just not as apparent because like I said, she's more stable than before.

And they were going to take a boat anyway no matter what happened with Brazil, because taking a flight would be too risky. The plan was to take a boat and then cross Africa by land.

Not the whole RP but with Sound and Rose yeah because it would be too hard for them to fly after the recent events in Europe, whether Brazil was attacked or not.

And you don't get it, you're forcing real life thinking onto a character. The point isn't to say "if I was in this position this is how I would deal with it," or anything like that, it's how Rose would deal with it, and she doesn't care about the needless deaths. She wants to hit Brazil where it hurts them the most, their capital, and like I said earlier, she's racist against the whole Brazilian ethnicity.

[The Greater Gambia]

Psycho who commuted suicide, psycho, psycho, psycho, pre-gun wasn't exactly mass, enslavement and disease. Any I hadn't bothered to list, they were freaking psychos.

Yeah, and that is one time out of the countless other times we as a species have killed vast amounts of people in my opinion, much more brutal ways than a nuclear bomb.

The Holocaust
The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia
The Armenian Genocide
The shit that's going on in Sudan right now
The Rwandan Genocide
Any battle before the invention of guns
Most of the times European powers dealt with indigenous populations

If we as a species really had a problem with slaughtering eachother, we would have stopped a long time ago.

You know what, fuck this. I'm out. This is becoming too similar to NSG to me.

[Galnius]

Even psychos didn't do that though, not if they knew the effects. Sure, they did needless killing on massive scales, but they didn't bomb a place without finding a way to validate their reasoning to the world (not themselves) so they wouldn't be killed Instantly. Think about it, BIN LADEN DIDN'T EVEN USE A WMD.And he was about as far gone sociopathic psycho as you could get. Well, Andrew Jackson was pretty well year, but you know.

So you are staying out of the rp for a few days iicly anyway? Why? There is a million better ways to get better results.1. Go to Brazil in person and kill them face to face. Mich more refreshing, much less stupid.2. Take them over and order their deaths. 3. Hold the whole freaking city hostage until they kill your enemies for you. And many more. Why does it HAVE to be bombing?

Not the whole RP but with Sound and Rose yeah because it would be too hard for them to fly after the recent events in Europe, whether Brazil was attacked or not.

And you don't get it, you're forcing real life thinking onto a character. The point isn't to say "if I was in this position this is how I would deal with it," or anything like that, it's how Rose would deal with it, and she doesn't care about the needless deaths. She wants to hit Brazil where it hurts them the most, their capital, and like I said earlier, she's racist against the whole Brazilian ethnicity.

[The Greater Gambia]

Even psychos didn't do that though, not if they knew the effects. Sure, they did needless killing on massive scales, but they didn't bomb a place without finding a way to validate their reasoning to the world (not themselves) so they wouldn't be killed Instantly. Think about it, BIN LADEN DIDN'T EVEN USE A WMD.And he was about as far gone sociopathic psycho as you could get. Well, Andrew Jackson was pretty well year, but you know.

Not the whole RP but with Sound and Rose yeah because it would be too hard for them to fly after the recent events in Europe, whether Brazil was attacked or not.

And you don't get it, you're forcing real life thinking onto a character. The point isn't to say "if I was in this position this is how I would deal with it," or anything like that, it's how Rose would deal with it, and she doesn't care about the needless deaths. She wants to hit Brazil where it hurts them the most, their capital, and like I said earlier, she's racist against the whole Brazilian ethnicity.

If they cared about the effects, they wouldn't be psychotic. Now, stop this stupid ass debate and let's just move on.

[Unified Free Lands]

Even psychos didn't do that though, not if they knew the effects. Sure, they did needless killing on massive scales, but they didn't bomb a place without finding a way to validate their reasoning to the world (not themselves) so they wouldn't be killed Instantly. Think about it, BIN LADEN DIDN'T EVEN USE A WMD.And he was about as far gone sociopathic psycho as you could get. Well, Andrew Jackson was pretty well year, but you know.

Not the whole RP but with Sound and Rose yeah because it would be too hard for them to fly after the recent events in Europe, whether Brazil was attacked or not.

And you don't get it, you're forcing real life thinking onto a character. The point isn't to say "if I was in this position this is how I would deal with it," or anything like that, it's how Rose would deal with it, and she doesn't care about the needless deaths. She wants to hit Brazil where it hurts them the most, their capital, and like I said earlier, she's racist against the whole Brazilian ethnicity.

Rose doesn't need to validate her reasoning to the world because nobody knows the attack came from her. She's just going to burn all the IDs she has and hide in a third world country while the authorities search for her fake identity. How do you think she survived so long as a Los Antrax assassin and then as the biggest kingpin in London? Brazil went to great lengths to make sure their operatives never existed officially, which did good for them until now, when they actually need to track down an ex operative.
EDIT: In addition she has places that she can hide in that are in Venezuela, Sierra Leone, London, Nepal, and Santo Domingo, the hardest part of escaping is getting out of France, which can be done in the chaos by boat.

[Galnius]

Umm....just because they have a chemical imbalance doesn't make them stupid. Hell, some are geniuses. They understand cause and effect. The reason they don't bomb places randomly without justification is (Cause: I bombed Richmond Virginia. Effect. The workday now will kill me. Logic states that I can't fight them all off or escape. Let's not bomb Virginia.) This is coming directly from the mind of a sociopath with likely psychological and definite emotional issues btw.

Even psychos didn't do that though, not if they knew the effects. Sure, they did needless killing on massive scales, but they didn't bomb a place without finding a way to validate their reasoning to the world (not themselves) so they wouldn't be killed Instantly. Think about it, BIN LADEN DIDN'T EVEN USE A WMD.And he was about as far gone sociopathic psycho as you could get. Well, Andrew Jackson was pretty well year, but you know.

If they cared about the effects, they wouldn't be psychotic. Now, stop this stupid ass debate and let's just move on.

[The Greater Gambia]

Umm....just because they have a chemical imbalance doesn't make them stupid. Hell, some are geniuses. They understand cause and effect. The reason they don't bomb places randomly without justification is (Cause: I bombed Richmond Virginia. Effect. The workday now will kill me. Logic states that I can't fight them all off or escape. Let's not bomb Virginia.) This is coming directly from the mind of a sociopath with likely psychological and definite emotional issues btw.

If they cared about the effects, they wouldn't be psychotic. Now, stop this stupid ass debate and let's just move on.

Did I call them stupid? No I didn't. Now, let's stop arguing about this. What's done is done and you can't do anything to change it. Stop.

[Galnius]

I'm not the only one with a problem with it, otherwise ars wouldn't have asked if it was okay for the missile to be shot down. Whhyyy, a co-op, expressed an issue with it. Before you arrived MANY people took issue with the senseless slaughter of military personell. Shadowwell, our other co-op, created the almighty beatstick of justice to prevent something like that, aka this, from reoccuring.

Umm....just because they have a chemical imbalance doesn't make them stupid. Hell, some are geniuses. They understand cause and effect. The reason they don't bomb places randomly without justification is (Cause: I bombed Richmond Virginia. Effect. The workday now will kill me. Logic states that I can't fight them all off or escape. Let's not bomb Virginia.) This is coming directly from the mind of a sociopath with likely psychological and definite emotional issues btw.

Did I call them stupid? No I didn't. Now, let's stop arguing about this. What's done is done and you can't do anything to change it. Stop.

[The Greater Gambia]

I'm not the only one with a problem with it, otherwise ars wouldn't have asked if it was okay for the missile to be shot down. Whhyyy, a co-op, expressed an issue with it. Before you arrived MANY people took issue with the senseless slaughter of military personell. Shadowwell, our other co-op, created the almighty beatstick of justice to prevent something like that, aka this, from reoccuring.

Did I call them stupid? No I didn't. Now, let's stop arguing about this. What's done is done and you can't do anything to change it. Stop.

Yes, but the OP OK'd it so it's a moot point. Anyway, We've filled almost three pages of this dumbass argument, so let's just drop it, as I've said a few times now.

[Unified Free Lands]

And I'm leaving anyway, it doesn't matter now...

[Galnius]

Actually, the OP asked off it was play that the missile failed. It's called compromise. Am I okay with mass deaths in Brazilian? No, but I am really not okay with a nuke. Would I, and most likely the others who have issue with it, stop if the WMD was removed and changed to something else? I know I would. I am just not play with unnecessary WMDs in anything. Nor unless its the only way. Here, compromise CAN be found. Hell, make it biological warfare. WMDs are just a no in my books, as well as at least one co-op.

I'm not the only one with a problem with it, otherwise ars wouldn't have asked if it was okay for the missile to be shot down. Whhyyy, a co-op, expressed an issue with it. Before you arrived MANY people took issue with the senseless slaughter of military personell. Shadowwell, our other co-op, created the almighty beatstick of justice to prevent something like that, aka this, from reoccuring.

Yes, but the OP OK'd it so it's a moot point. Anyway, We've filled almost three pages of this dumbass argument, so let's just drop it, as I've said a few times now.

[The Greater Gambia]

Actually, the OP asked off it was play that the missile failed. It's called compromise. Am I okay with mass deaths in Brazilian? No, but I am really not okay with a nuke. Would I, and most likely the others who have issue with it, stop if the WMD was removed and changed to something else? I know I would. I am just not play with unnecessary WMDs in anything. Nor unless its the only way. Here, compromise CAN be found. Hell, make it biological warfare. WMDs are just a no in my books, as well as at least one co-op.

Yes, but the OP OK'd it so it's a moot point. Anyway, We've filled almost three pages of this dumbass argument, so let's just drop it, as I've said a few times now.

How the hell is a Biological weapon any better than a nuke?

[Galnius]

Less straight up destruction, more if a chance to the people and tourists, the place can be repopulated faster than 40 years, makes more sense as the people targeted would have slower more painful deaths so its more gratifying. Oh, also is harder to detect and stop.

Actually, the OP asked off it was play that the missile failed. It's called compromise. Am I okay with mass deaths in Brazilian? No, but I am really not okay with a nuke. Would I, and most likely the others who have issue with it, stop if the WMD was removed and changed to something else? I know I would. I am just not play with unnecessary WMDs in anything. Nor unless its the only way. Here, compromise CAN be found. Hell, make it biological warfare. WMDs are just a no in my books, as well as at least one co-op.

How the hell is a Biological weapon any better than a nuke?

[Galnius]

It's it really that bad to ask that someone doesn't use a nuke that it causes people to leave? There is hundreds of other ways to go about it, why does it HAVE to be a nuke? Does compromise not exist in your peoples vocabulary?

[Unified Free Lands]

It's it really that bad to ask that someone doesn't use a nuke that it causes people to leave? There is hundreds of other ways to go about it, why does it HAVE to be a nuke? Does compromise not exist in your peoples vocabulary?

Look. I don't usually say things like this but I'm going to be honest, I'm way more annoyed at you than I am at not using a nuke. I don't really have a problem with compromising about that, but I know we'll be arguing again about something else in the future and I don't feel like it.

[The Greater Gambia]

Less straight up destruction, more if a chance to the people and tourists, the place can be repopulated faster than 40 years, makes more sense as the people targeted would have slower more painful deaths so its more gratifying. Oh, also is harder to detect and stop.

How the hell is a Biological weapon any better than a nuke?

Look, I'm not an expert on diseases like small pox or anthrax, but I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say that it's probably going to kill about as many or more than a nuke would. It's also probably going to be an agonizing experience for anyone who contracts whatever disease it is. So tell me , how is that better compared to where everyone within a certain radius is incinerated in seconds. Look, this is an Rp where most of the world is trying kill off a group of people because they have special powers. It's pretty much genocide. Both sides are gonna do some messed up stuff to the other. The nuke is just the latest one.

[Galnius]

I am perfectly willing to compromise, and if a compromise can be reached an argument wouldn't last so long, but its kinda hard to do when people won't let go of using a nuke. Seriously, what the hell is so great about nukes? It's 2030, you can make up a freaking weapon! You could rig the hunters in Brazil and make them Target normal humans instead. Why do people love using nukes, its just stupid!

It's it really that bad to ask that someone doesn't use a nuke that it causes people to leave? There is hundreds of other ways to go about it, why does it HAVE to be a nuke? Does compromise not exist in your peoples vocabulary?

Look. I don't usually say things like this but I'm going to be honest, I'm way more annoyed at you than I am at not using a nuke. I don't really have a problem with compromising about that, but I know we'll be arguing again about something else in the future and I don't feel like it.

Also, Gambia, while a biological weapon may kill millions in a long while whilst a nuke does it instantaneously, a nuke also....kills every animal, makes the place uninhabitable, causes cancer and such to not only humans anywhere the wind blows the fallout but also to animals. The worst part amour the nuke is after the bomb itself, and is really the main problem with it. Brazil won't be the only place affected.

[The Greater Gambia]

I am perfectly willing to compromise, and if a compromise can be reached an argument wouldn't last so long, but its kinda hard to do when people won't let go of using a nuke. Seriously, what the hell is so great about nukes? It's 2030, you can make up a freaking weapon! You could rig the hunters in Brazil and make them Target normal humans instead. Why do people love using nukes, its just stupid!

Look. I don't usually say things like this but I'm going to be honest, I'm way more annoyed at you than I am at not using a nuke. I don't really have a problem with compromising about that, but I know we'll be arguing again about something else in the future and I don't feel like it.

Also, Gambia, while a biological weapon may kill millions in a long while whilst a nuke does it instantaneously, a nuke also....kills every animal, makes the place uninhabitable, causes cancer and such to not only humans anywhere the wind blows the fallout but also to animals. The worst part amour the nuke is after the bomb itself, and is really the main problem with it. Brazil won't be the only place affected.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki seemed to be doing ok now. Also, diseases like anthrax also affects animals, and Brazil won't be the only one affected in a biological attack as well. Now, I agree that using the Hunters to attack normal humans would be a lot cooler and more original, but why would France be able to control the ones in Brazil? I have no problem with compromise, I only got into this when you started saying crap like Humans hate senseless slaughter.

[Galnius]

The nukes used in WW2 at nothing compared to what we had today, they weren't even missiles. With a missile, think chernoble *20. Also, I guess I should've specified rational humans....

I am perfectly willing to compromise, and if a compromise can be reached an argument wouldn't last so long, but its kinda hard to do when people won't let go of using a nuke. Seriously, what the hell is so great about nukes? It's 2030, you can make up a freaking weapon! You could rig the hunters in Brazil and make them Target normal humans instead. Why do people love using nukes, its just stupid!


Also, Gambia, while a biological weapon may kill millions in a long while whilst a nuke does it instantaneously, a nuke also....kills every animal, makes the place uninhabitable, causes cancer and such to not only humans anywhere the wind blows the fallout but also to animals. The worst part amour the nuke is after the bomb itself, and is really the main problem with it. Brazil won't be the only place affected.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki seemed to be doing ok now. Also, diseases like anthrax also affects animals, and Brazil won't be the only one affected in a biological attack as well. Now, I agree that using the Hunters to attack normal humans would be a lot cooler and more original, but why would France be able to control the ones in Brazil? I have no problem with compromise, I only got into this when you started saying crap like Humans hate senseless slaughter.

[Unified Free Lands]

You want to avoid needless death, right? You do realize that if we use some kind of future weapon, there will be more deaths? Because if it's not more destructive, there's not a reason why armies would use it over nuclear weapons.

[The Greater Gambia]

Guys, Let's-Let's just stop this bullshit. Do any of us truly actually care at this point?

God Damnit, I'm replying again.