An Age of African Blood and Industry [OOC, Open]

[The Peoples East Africa]

What negative connotations are they? I've never heard of any.

For me, they have. I am Greek and some Greeks value, quite considerably and forcefully, the Byzantines. The very conservative Christians and the far right which seeks a return to the old, glory days of the Empire. They want to invade, basically, a bunch of countries and reclaim some "lost" territory.
Then it is the religion aspect of all medieval Europe that I can't stand.

Well the Byzantines did control a crap ton of land, and it was stolen from ye by lots of people, mostly Turks. Though that was the past so these people should move on.
Well there's never really been a place in medieval history or before where religion didn't plan a part.

[Sanabel]

What negative connotations are they? I've never heard of any.

For me, they have. I am Greek and some Greeks value, quite considerably and forcefully, the Byzantines. The very conservative Christians and the far right which seeks a return to the old, glory days of the Empire. They want to invade, basically, a bunch of countries and reclaim some "lost" territory.
Then it is the religion aspect of all medieval Europe that I can't stand.

But wasn't the while world religious then?

[World Anarchic Union]

For me, they have. I am Greek and some Greeks value, quite considerably and forcefully, the Byzantines. The very conservative Christians and the far right which seeks a return to the old, glory days of the Empire. They want to invade, basically, a bunch of countries and reclaim some "lost" territory.
Then it is the religion aspect of all medieval Europe that I can't stand.

Well the Byzantines did control a crap ton of land, and it was stolen from ye by lots of people, mostly Turks. Though that was the past so these people should move on.
Well there's never really been a place in medieval history or before where religion didn't plan a part.

Ιs this any reason to want to take it back, after so many centuries? It's merely an excuse for blatant imperialism.
And that's exactly the reason I don't like medieval history in Europe, Asia and most of the world. No offence, of course.

[The Peoples East Africa]

Well the Byzantines did control a crap ton of land, and it was stolen from ye by lots of people, mostly Turks. Though that was the past so these people should move on.
Well there's never really been a place in medieval history or before where religion didn't plan a part.

Ιs this any reason to want to take it back, after so many centuries? It's merely an excuse for blatant imperialism.
And that's exactly the reason I don't like medieval history in Europe, Asia and most of the world. No offence, of course.

I suppose not. Some people might still be mad at what was once Greece's being taken away.
You don't like a period of history because the people were religious? I think that's a stupid reason, but that's your opinion.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

That's the opposite of me. I love European medieval history. The Byzantines slow but sure decay into failure is kinda sad, but interesting.

I love contemporary and modern history. From the end of the 18th Century and onwards.As for the Byzantines, I can't say I am quite sad. Maybe because of negative connotations

If you know the historical context, it's actually pretty sad. Not only were the Byzantines one of the most progressive states of their time, but they were actually the last bastion of the Roman Empire. It is because of the prosperous Eastern holdings of Rome that the empire survived another thousand years.

“Gentlemen, illustrious captains of the army, and our most Christian comrades in arms: we now see the hour of battle approaching. I have therefore elected to assemble you here to make it clear that you must stand together with firmer resolution than ever. You have always fought with glory against the enemies of Christ. Now the defence of your fatherland and of the city known the world over, which the infidel and evil Turks have been besieging for two and fifty days, is committed to your lofty spirits.


Be not afraid because its walls have been worn down by the enemy’s battering. For your strength lies in the protection of God and you must show it with your arms quivering and your swords brandished against the enemy. I know that this undisciplined mob will, as is their custom, rush upon you with loud cries and ceaseless volleys of arrows. These will do you no bodily harm, for I see that you are well covered in armour. They will strike the walls, our breastplates and our shields. So do not imitate the Romans who, when the Carthaginians went into battle against them, allowed their cavalry to be terrified by the fearsome sight and sound of elephants.


In this battle you must stand firm and have no fear, no thought of flight, but be inspired to resist with ever more herculean strength. Animals may run away from animals. But you are men, men of stout heart, and you will hold at bay these dumb brutes, thrusting your spears and swords into them, so that they will know that they are fighting not against their own kind but against the masters of animals.


You are aware that the impious and infidel enemy has disturbed the peace unjustly. He has violated the oath and treaty that he made with us; he has slaughtered our farmers at harvest time; he has erected a fortress on the Propontis as it were to devour the Christians; he has encircled Galata under a pretence of peace.


Now he threatens to capture the city of Constantine the Great, your fatherland, the place of ready refuge for all Christians, the guardian of all Greeks, and to profane its holy shrines of God by turning them into stables for his horses. Oh my lords, my brothers, my sons, the everlasting honour of Christians is in your hands.


You men of Genoa, men of courage and famous for your infinite victories, you who have always protected this city, your mother, in many a conflict with the Turks, show now your prowess and your aggressive spirit toward them with manly vigour.


You men of Venice, most valiant heroes, whose swords have many a time made Turkish blood to flow and who in our time have sent so many ships, so many infidel souls to the depths under the command of Loredano, the most excellent captain of our fleet, you who have adorned this city as if it were your own with fine, outstanding men, lift high your spirits now for battle.


You, my comrades in arms, obey the commands of your leaders in the knowledge that this is the day of your glory — a day on which, if you shed but a drop of blood, you will win for yourselves crowns of martyrdom and eternal fame.”

[The Peoples East Africa]

I love contemporary and modern history. From the end of the 18th Century and onwards.As for the Byzantines, I can't say I am quite sad. Maybe because of negative connotations

If you know the historical context, it's actually pretty sad. Not only were the Byzantines one of the most progressive states of their time, but they were actually the last bastion of the Roman Empire. It is because of the prosperous Eastern holdings of Rome that the empire survived another thousand years.

“Gentlemen, illustrious captains of the army, and our most Christian comrades in arms: we now see the hour of battle approaching. I have therefore elected to assemble you here to make it clear that you must stand together with firmer resolution than ever. You have always fought with glory against the enemies of Christ. Now the defence of your fatherland and of the city known the world over, which the infidel and evil Turks have been besieging for two and fifty days, is committed to your lofty spirits.


Be not afraid because its walls have been worn down by the enemy’s battering. For your strength lies in the protection of God and you must show it with your arms quivering and your swords brandished against the enemy. I know that this undisciplined mob will, as is their custom, rush upon you with loud cries and ceaseless volleys of arrows. These will do you no bodily harm, for I see that you are well covered in armour. They will strike the walls, our breastplates and our shields. So do not imitate the Romans who, when the Carthaginians went into battle against them, allowed their cavalry to be terrified by the fearsome sight and sound of elephants.


In this battle you must stand firm and have no fear, no thought of flight, but be inspired to resist with ever more herculean strength. Animals may run away from animals. But you are men, men of stout heart, and you will hold at bay these dumb brutes, thrusting your spears and swords into them, so that they will know that they are fighting not against their own kind but against the masters of animals.


You are aware that the impious and infidel enemy has disturbed the peace unjustly. He has violated the oath and treaty that he made with us; he has slaughtered our farmers at harvest time; he has erected a fortress on the Propontis as it were to devour the Christians; he has encircled Galata under a pretence of peace.


Now he threatens to capture the city of Constantine the Great, your fatherland, the place of ready refuge for all Christians, the guardian of all Greeks, and to profane its holy shrines of God by turning them into stables for his horses. Oh my lords, my brothers, my sons, the everlasting honour of Christians is in your hands.


You men of Genoa, men of courage and famous for your infinite victories, you who have always protected this city, your mother, in many a conflict with the Turks, show now your prowess and your aggressive spirit toward them with manly vigour.


You men of Venice, most valiant heroes, whose swords have many a time made Turkish blood to flow and who in our time have sent so many ships, so many infidel souls to the depths under the command of Loredano, the most excellent captain of our fleet, you who have adorned this city as if it were your own with fine, outstanding men, lift high your spirits now for battle.


You, my comrades in arms, obey the commands of your leaders in the knowledge that this is the day of your glory — a day on which, if you shed but a drop of blood, you will win for yourselves crowns of martyrdom and eternal fame.”

It is quite sad. The Byzantines were able to flourish for a long time, retake Rome, and then everything went downhill.

[Sanabel]

If you know the historical context, it's actually pretty sad. Not only were the Byzantines one of the most progressive states of their time, but they were actually the last bastion of the Roman Empire. It is because of the prosperous Eastern holdings of Rome that the empire survived another thousand years.

“Gentlemen, illustrious captains of the army, and our most Christian comrades in arms: we now see the hour of battle approaching. I have therefore elected to assemble you here to make it clear that you must stand together with firmer resolution than ever. You have always fought with glory against the enemies of Christ. Now the defence of your fatherland and of the city known the world over, which the infidel and evil Turks have been besieging for two and fifty days, is committed to your lofty spirits.


Be not afraid because its walls have been worn down by the enemy’s battering. For your strength lies in the protection of God and you must show it with your arms quivering and your swords brandished against the enemy. I know that this undisciplined mob will, as is their custom, rush upon you with loud cries and ceaseless volleys of arrows. These will do you no bodily harm, for I see that you are well covered in armour. They will strike the walls, our breastplates and our shields. So do not imitate the Romans who, when the Carthaginians went into battle against them, allowed their cavalry to be terrified by the fearsome sight and sound of elephants.


In this battle you must stand firm and have no fear, no thought of flight, but be inspired to resist with ever more herculean strength. Animals may run away from animals. But you are men, men of stout heart, and you will hold at bay these dumb brutes, thrusting your spears and swords into them, so that they will know that they are fighting not against their own kind but against the masters of animals.


You are aware that the impious and infidel enemy has disturbed the peace unjustly. He has violated the oath and treaty that he made with us; he has slaughtered our farmers at harvest time; he has erected a fortress on the Propontis as it were to devour the Christians; he has encircled Galata under a pretence of peace.


Now he threatens to capture the city of Constantine the Great, your fatherland, the place of ready refuge for all Christians, the guardian of all Greeks, and to profane its holy shrines of God by turning them into stables for his horses. Oh my lords, my brothers, my sons, the everlasting honour of Christians is in your hands.


You men of Genoa, men of courage and famous for your infinite victories, you who have always protected this city, your mother, in many a conflict with the Turks, show now your prowess and your aggressive spirit toward them with manly vigour.


You men of Venice, most valiant heroes, whose swords have many a time made Turkish blood to flow and who in our time have sent so many ships, so many infidel souls to the depths under the command of Loredano, the most excellent captain of our fleet, you who have adorned this city as if it were your own with fine, outstanding men, lift high your spirits now for battle.


You, my comrades in arms, obey the commands of your leaders in the knowledge that this is the day of your glory — a day on which, if you shed but a drop of blood, you will win for yourselves crowns of martyrdom and eternal fame.”

It is quite sad. The Byzantines were able to flourish for a long time, retake Rome, and then everything went downhill.

Everyone knows in order to not decline like other empires, USA must into fascism.

[World Anarchic Union]

Ιs this any reason to want to take it back, after so many centuries? It's merely an excuse for blatant imperialism.
And that's exactly the reason I don't like medieval history in Europe, Asia and most of the world. No offence, of course.

I suppose not. Some people might still be mad at what was once Greece's being taken away.
You don't like a period of history because the people were religious? I think that's a stupid reason, but that's your opinion.

They see it that way, at least.
No, I don't like that period of history because the church had so much control and I find that I can support no side in any conflict. Among other reasons. England's medieval history is an exception.

I love contemporary and modern history. From the end of the 18th Century and onwards.As for the Byzantines, I can't say I am quite sad. Maybe because of negative connotations

If you know the historical context, it's actually pretty sad. Not only were the Byzantines one of the most progressive states of their time, but they were actually the last bastion of the Roman Empire. It is because of the prosperous Eastern holdings of Rome that the empire survived another thousand years.

“Gentlemen, illustrious captains of the army, and our most Christian comrades in arms: we now see the hour of battle approaching. I have therefore elected to assemble you here to make it clear that you must stand together with firmer resolution than ever. You have always fought with glory against the enemies of Christ. Now the defence of your fatherland and of the city known the world over, which the infidel and evil Turks have been besieging for two and fifty days, is committed to your lofty spirits.


Be not afraid because its walls have been worn down by the enemy’s battering. For your strength lies in the protection of God and you must show it with your arms quivering and your swords brandished against the enemy. I know that this undisciplined mob will, as is their custom, rush upon you with loud cries and ceaseless volleys of arrows. These will do you no bodily harm, for I see that you are well covered in armour. They will strike the walls, our breastplates and our shields. So do not imitate the Romans who, when the Carthaginians went into battle against them, allowed their cavalry to be terrified by the fearsome sight and sound of elephants.


In this battle you must stand firm and have no fear, no thought of flight, but be inspired to resist with ever more herculean strength. Animals may run away from animals. But you are men, men of stout heart, and you will hold at bay these dumb brutes, thrusting your spears and swords into them, so that they will know that they are fighting not against their own kind but against the masters of animals.


You are aware that the impious and infidel enemy has disturbed the peace unjustly. He has violated the oath and treaty that he made with us; he has slaughtered our farmers at harvest time; he has erected a fortress on the Propontis as it were to devour the Christians; he has encircled Galata under a pretence of peace.


Now he threatens to capture the city of Constantine the Great, your fatherland, the place of ready refuge for all Christians, the guardian of all Greeks, and to profane its holy shrines of God by turning them into stables for his horses. Oh my lords, my brothers, my sons, the everlasting honour of Christians is in your hands.


You men of Genoa, men of courage and famous for your infinite victories, you who have always protected this city, your mother, in many a conflict with the Turks, show now your prowess and your aggressive spirit toward them with manly vigour.


You men of Venice, most valiant heroes, whose swords have many a time made Turkish blood to flow and who in our time have sent so many ships, so many infidel souls to the depths under the command of Loredano, the most excellent captain of our fleet, you who have adorned this city as if it were your own with fine, outstanding men, lift high your spirits now for battle.


You, my comrades in arms, obey the commands of your leaders in the knowledge that this is the day of your glory — a day on which, if you shed but a drop of blood, you will win for yourselves crowns of martyrdom and eternal fame.”

I know. I have studied basic Byzantine history at school. I just can't sympathise with the Byzantnes But I know many people do, so I respect that. .Did you know that many citizens used to say that it was better for the City to fall to the Turks than to the Catholics/Franks because of the previous years of occupation?

[The Peoples East Africa]

It is quite sad. The Byzantines were able to flourish for a long time, retake Rome, and then everything went downhill.

Everyone knows in order to not decline like other empires, USA must into fascism.

Can't argue with that. Didn't that fascist German country last a 1000 years?

[The Peoples East Africa]

I suppose not. Some people might still be mad at what was once Greece's being taken away.
You don't like a period of history because the people were religious? I think that's a stupid reason, but that's your opinion.

They see it that way, at least.
No, I don't like that period of history because the church had so much control and I find that I can support no side in any conflict. Among other reasons. England's medieval history is an exception.

If you know the historical context, it's actually pretty sad. Not only were the Byzantines one of the most progressive states of their time, but they were actually the last bastion of the Roman Empire. It is because of the prosperous Eastern holdings of Rome that the empire survived another thousand years.

“Gentlemen, illustrious captains of the army, and our most Christian comrades in arms: we now see the hour of battle approaching. I have therefore elected to assemble you here to make it clear that you must stand together with firmer resolution than ever. You have always fought with glory against the enemies of Christ. Now the defence of your fatherland and of the city known the world over, which the infidel and evil Turks have been besieging for two and fifty days, is committed to your lofty spirits.


Be not afraid because its walls have been worn down by the enemy’s battering. For your strength lies in the protection of God and you must show it with your arms quivering and your swords brandished against the enemy. I know that this undisciplined mob will, as is their custom, rush upon you with loud cries and ceaseless volleys of arrows. These will do you no bodily harm, for I see that you are well covered in armour. They will strike the walls, our breastplates and our shields. So do not imitate the Romans who, when the Carthaginians went into battle against them, allowed their cavalry to be terrified by the fearsome sight and sound of elephants.


In this battle you must stand firm and have no fear, no thought of flight, but be inspired to resist with ever more herculean strength. Animals may run away from animals. But you are men, men of stout heart, and you will hold at bay these dumb brutes, thrusting your spears and swords into them, so that they will know that they are fighting not against their own kind but against the masters of animals.


You are aware that the impious and infidel enemy has disturbed the peace unjustly. He has violated the oath and treaty that he made with us; he has slaughtered our farmers at harvest time; he has erected a fortress on the Propontis as it were to devour the Christians; he has encircled Galata under a pretence of peace.


Now he threatens to capture the city of Constantine the Great, your fatherland, the place of ready refuge for all Christians, the guardian of all Greeks, and to profane its holy shrines of God by turning them into stables for his horses. Oh my lords, my brothers, my sons, the everlasting honour of Christians is in your hands.


You men of Genoa, men of courage and famous for your infinite victories, you who have always protected this city, your mother, in many a conflict with the Turks, show now your prowess and your aggressive spirit toward them with manly vigour.


You men of Venice, most valiant heroes, whose swords have many a time made Turkish blood to flow and who in our time have sent so many ships, so many infidel souls to the depths under the command of Loredano, the most excellent captain of our fleet, you who have adorned this city as if it were your own with fine, outstanding men, lift high your spirits now for battle.


You, my comrades in arms, obey the commands of your leaders in the knowledge that this is the day of your glory — a day on which, if you shed but a drop of blood, you will win for yourselves crowns of martyrdom and eternal fame.”

I know. I have studied basic Byzantine history at school. I just can't sympathise with the Byzantnes But I know many people do, so I respect that. .Did you know that many citizens used to say that it was better for the City to fall to the Turks than to the Catholics/Franks because of the previous years of occupation?

Well that's understandable. The crusaders really screwed the Byzantines over when they sacked Constantinople.

[World Anarchic Union]

They see it that way, at least.
No, I don't like that period of history because the church had so much control and I find that I can support no side in any conflict. Among other reasons. England's medieval history is an exception.



I know. I have studied basic Byzantine history at school. I just can't sympathise with the Byzantnes But I know many people do, so I respect that. .Did you know that many citizens used to say that it was better for the City to fall to the Turks than to the Catholics/Franks because of the previous years of occupation?

Well that's understandable. The crusaders really screwed the Byzantines over when they sacked Constantinople.

It is. There are hypotheses, don't know if they have been proven true or not, that some poeple inside let the Turks in to sack the city, because the Franks could be coming back. Not sure if true, however.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

They see it that way, at least.
No, I don't like that period of history because the church had so much control and I find that I can support no side in any conflict. Among other reasons. England's medieval history is an exception.



I know. I have studied basic Byzantine history at school. I just can't sympathise with the Byzantnes But I know many people do, so I respect that. .Did you know that many citizens used to say that it was better for the City to fall to the Turks than to the Catholics/Franks because of the previous years of occupation?

Well that's understandable. The crusaders really screwed the Byzantines over when they sacked Constantinople.

It is very easy to argue the Crusader sacking of Constantinople was actually one of the primary causes of the ultimate Byzantine collapse.

[The Peoples East Africa]

Well that's understandable. The crusaders really screwed the Byzantines over when they sacked Constantinople.

It is. There are hypotheses, don't know if they have been proven true or not, that some poeple inside let the Turks in to sack the city, because the Franks could be coming back. Not sure if true, however.

I'd imagine they'd be busy fighting England or something.

[The Peoples East Africa]

Well that's understandable. The crusaders really screwed the Byzantines over when they sacked Constantinople.

It is very easy to argue the Crusader sacking of Constantinople was actually one of the primary causes of the ultimate Byzantine collapse.

It was something that really ruined them. Losing Anatolia to the Turks was another big disaster.

[World Anarchic Union]

It is. There are hypotheses, don't know if they have been proven true or not, that some poeple inside let the Turks in to sack the city, because the Franks could be coming back. Not sure if true, however.

I'd imagine they'd be busy fighting England or something.

Oh, the Franks weren't coming back, that I know, possibly. The Byzantines didn't know that though.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

I'd imagine they'd be busy fighting England or something.

Oh, the Franks weren't coming back, that I know, possibly. The Byzantines didn't know that though.

Venice sure was an opportunistic little prick about the whole ordeal anyway. Yeah, they helped at the Battle of Constantinople. Did they really give all they could, though?

[British Empire Strikes Back]

Well the Byzantines did control a crap ton of land, and it was stolen from ye by lots of people, mostly Turks. Though that was the past so these people should move on.
Well there's never really been a place in medieval history or before where religion didn't plan a part.

Ιs this any reason to want to take it back, after so many centuries? It's merely an excuse for blatant imperialism.
And that's exactly the reason I don't like medieval history in Europe, Asia and most of the world. No offence, of course.

Because it is the homeland of millions of Greeks? Because Turkey committed genocide and killed around a million Greeks who had lived in Anatolia for thousands of years? Because these people deserve the right to return to their rightful homes, villages and cities where they lived peaceffuly alongside the Turks for hundreds of years?

[The Danish Confederacy]

Are y'all okay with a Vietnamese Explorer finding America?

[Reatra]

GIMMEH DEH IC

[The Peoples East Africa]

Are y'all okay with a Vietnamese Explorer finding America?

In the OP it said Arabs traders found it.

[The Danish Confederacy]

Are y'all okay with a Vietnamese Explorer finding America?

In the OP it said Arabs traders found it.

Damn.

[The Peoples East Africa]

In the OP it said Arabs traders found it.

Damn.

Maybe Vietnamese explorers could have been the first to circumnavigate the globe?

[The Danish Confederacy]

Damn.

Maybe Vietnamese explorers could have been the first to circumnavigate the globe?

Well, if you go back to my WIP history, it says that in 1592, a Vietnamese Explorer discovered Panama in search of a a quick way to Africa.

[British Empire Strikes Back]

Maybe Vietnamese explorers could have been the first to circumnavigate the globe?

Well, if you go back to my WIP history, it says that in 1592, a Vietnamese Explorer discovered Panama in search of a a quick way to Africa.

So you have colonised Panama?

[Sanabel]

GIMMEH DEH IC

Today or tomorrow.