The year of our Lord 1200

[Reatra]

Also, I'm not yet as powerful as Pisa. I've still got at least a decade of profit until I can field a navy as big as theirs. Most of Genoa's colonies are gained later this century, after Pisa falls.

[The Jonathanian States]

This does sound interesting.
Except for two things: If I'm kicking the Pisans out of the Messina-Tripoli line, I'm unsure of letting you stay there either.
And second, Pisa. What would happen with Pisa. I care not for Sardinia, Corsica, and any other posts they may have in the west. Pisa, though, Pisa is a rich city.

Also, for the record, I am not sure that you are weaker than Pisa.
EDIT:
Also, with regards to Acre, what you received is this:

Not a third of Acre, that'd probably ruin Jerusalem, Acre and a few other ports more or less were its major sources of income. It's all that excellent spice.

Yeah, I know, I barely have any actual lands right now.

I'm not sure what exactly that is a reply to....

And as for Pisa itself, likely a rich city with too small of a population to resist the Florentines coming in. I would annex it, though maybe just take a fifth of the income or something similar.

I'd assume while it has its trade it is rich enough to be able to buy mercenaries for its protection (against Florence), without that trade it's long-term income probably wouldn't be too high, and historically 200 years after this RP it indeed did not survive against Florence.

Also, I'm not yet as powerful as Pisa. I've still got at least a decade of profit until I can field a navy as big as theirs. Most of Genoa's colonies are gained later this century, after Pisa falls.

mhm....

[Reatra]

... But since you don't know that yet and you see Pisa as the main rival to La Serenissima(?)...?

[The Jonathanian States]

... But since you don't know that yet and you see Pisa as the main rival to La Serenissima(?)...?

I honestly don't think I agree, or that Venice would agree, to make Pisa proper part of the Genoese sphere. Their ports and possessions west of the Messina-Tripoli line I care not for, except for Pisa proper.
But as I assume you would dislike me acquiring such a base of operations in the Tyrhenian sea, I motion that after we defeat it in order to be able to enforce our partition it become part of a Florentine sphere, for them to do with as they consider right.

[Reatra]

... But since you don't know that yet and you see Pisa as the main rival to La Serenissima(?)...?

I honestly don't think I agree, or that Venice would agree, to make Pisa proper part of the Genoese sphere. Their ports and possessions west of the Messina-Tripoli line I care not for, except for Pisa proper.
But as I assume you would dislike me acquiring such a base of operations in the Tyrhenian sea, I motion that after we defeat it in order to be able to enforce our partition it become part of a Florentine sphere, for them to do with as they consider right.

That's fine. I'll just trade with them then.


Also, I came up with a good early exploration of Africa TL. Genoa rises slowly like I am in here, and is simply too scared of Venice to go to the Black Sea. Instead they find Mali and invest in Sahara routes.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

The reason why I do not have the motivation to rp is because I have lost me being a very self confident prick that thinks his posts are better even if he posts one liners.

[Reatra]

The reason why I do not have the motivation to rp is because I have lost me being a very self confident prick that thinks his posts are better even if he posts one liners.

Dear god.

[Reatra]

So I'll be on an airplane for a few hours. I'll just write about profiting off of the Levant and reconquista cities in Iberia then

I guess making agreements and stuff with the HREmperor for trading more extensively up the whatever-river-empires-into-the-Mediterranean

[The Jonathanian States]

I honestly don't think I agree, or that Venice would agree, to make Pisa proper part of the Genoese sphere. Their ports and possessions west of the Messina-Tripoli line I care not for, except for Pisa proper.
But as I assume you would dislike me acquiring such a base of operations in the Tyrhenian sea, I motion that after we defeat it in order to be able to enforce our partition it become part of a Florentine sphere, for them to do with as they consider right.

That's fine. I'll just trade with them then.

Sure...

.... Genoa [...] is simply too scared of Venice to go to the Black Sea...

Good idea.

So I'll be on an airplane for a few hours. I'll just write about profiting off of the Levant and reconquista cities in Iberia then

I guess making agreements and stuff with the HREmperor for trading more extensively up the whatever-river-empires-into-the-Mediterranean

Agreements with the HREmperor?

[Reatra]

That's fine. I'll just trade with them then.

Sure...

.... Genoa [...] is simply too scared of Venice to go to the Black Sea...

Good idea.

So I'll be on an airplane for a few hours. I'll just write about profiting off of the Levant and reconquista cities in Iberia then

I guess making agreements and stuff with the HREmperor for trading more extensively up the whatever-river-empires-into-the-Mediterranean

Agreements with the HREmperor?

Yeah...? I'm technically part of the HRE anyway.

[Das Germane imperie]

Sure...

Good idea.

Agreements with the HREmperor?

Yeah...? I'm technically part of the HRE anyway.

As long as I can be your de-jure ruler, I don't give a shit really. But first I have to fight down some pretenders.

[The Jonathanian States]

Sure...

Good idea.

Agreements with the HREmperor?

Yeah...? I'm technically part of the HRE anyway.

Yes, you are. It's the agreement and stuff that I eyebrow.

Completely unrelated, I seem to have found a nice literary online source on the various concessions and acquisitions of the Latin Republics in the Levant. Here it is, in German though.

[Liecthenbourg]

I e got a great idea Jon. You and I team up to beat up Pisa. (Since I'm still the weaker of the three)

You get their Greek and Crusader state colonies, I get the rest. Since you're only getting things in the Eastern Mediterranean I sliding expect you to fully commit to such a war, but those are some nice juicy trade opportunities.

Lolno.
DIE ITALIAN DOGS

[The Jonathanian States]

I e got a great idea Jon. You and I team up to beat up Pisa. (Since I'm still the weaker of the three)

You get their Greek and Crusader state colonies, I get the rest. Since you're only getting things in the Eastern Mediterranean I sliding expect you to fully commit to such a war, but those are some nice juicy trade opportunities.

Lolno.
DIE ITALIAN DOGS

If we're not re-negotiating I have no issue with not taking new colonies in Constantinople as long as nobody else does. That is to say, go ahead, and loot/pillage those Pisans in your city, I'm completely fine with that.

[Reatra]

I e got a great idea Jon. You and I team up to beat up Pisa. (Since I'm still the weaker of the three)

You get their Greek and Crusader state colonies, I get the rest. Since you're only getting things in the Eastern Mediterranean I sliding expect you to fully commit to such a war, but those are some nice juicy trade opportunities.

Lolno.
DIE ITALIAN DOGS

I don't care. Like Jon said go ahead and burn down their trade posts.

It only helps me.

[Liecthenbourg]

Lolno.
DIE ITALIAN DOGS

If we're not re-negotiating I have no issue with not taking new colonies in Constantinople as long as nobody else does. That is to say, go ahead, and loot/pillage those Pisans in your city, I'm completely fine with that.

We are re-negotiating, I'm just waiting on you to decide if you want to. Besides, you're a Venetian in our eyes - not an Italian.

*sharpens the axe*

Lolno.
DIE ITALIAN DOGS

I don't care. Like Jon said go ahead and burn down their trade posts.

It only helps me.

Aren't you in Constantinople as well?

[Reatra]

If we're not re-negotiating I have no issue with not taking new colonies in Constantinople as long as nobody else does. That is to say, go ahead, and loot/pillage those Pisans in your city, I'm completely fine with that.

We are re-negotiating, I'm just waiting on you to decide if you want to. Besides, you're a Venetian in our eyes - not an Italian.

*sharpens the axe*

I don't care. Like Jon said go ahead and burn down their trade posts.

It only helps me.

Aren't you in Constantinople as well?

Not as a colony, but simply trading rights.

[Liecthenbourg]

We are re-negotiating, I'm just waiting on you to decide if you want to. Besides, you're a Venetian in our eyes - not an Italian.

*sharpens the axe*


Aren't you in Constantinople as well?

Not as a colony, but simply trading rights.

Ah, coolio.

[The Jonathanian States]

If we're not re-negotiating I have no issue with not taking new colonies in Constantinople as long as nobody else does. That is to say, go ahead, and loot/pillage those Pisans in your city, I'm completely fine with that.

We are re-negotiating, I'm just waiting on you to decide if you want to.

The Maior Consiglio will probably decline your offer. I'm not fully decided yet, but Contarini and Dandolo each raised good points.

Besides, you're a Venetian in our eyes - not an Italian.

Awwww.... We'll always call you Basileus of the Rhomaion.

*sharpens the axe*

*cartoonish swallowing sound*

I don't care. Like Jon said go ahead and burn down their trade posts.

It only helps me.

Aren't you in Constantinople as well?

Yeh, they have their district there too. It isn't as awesome as ours, but it's a thing.

[Liecthenbourg]

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WIP post is done. Another one will be up later today.

[Elepis]

... But since you don't know that yet and you see Pisa as the main rival to La Serenissima(?)...?

I honestly don't think I agree, or that Venice would agree, to make Pisa proper part of the Genoese sphere. Their ports and possessions west of the Messina-Tripoli line I care not for, except for Pisa proper.
But as I assume you would dislike me acquiring such a base of operations in the Tyrhenian sea, I motion that after we defeat it in order to be able to enforce our partition it become part of a Florentine sphere, for them to do with as they consider right.

so we gonna destroy Pisa together then?

[Elepis]

finito

I'm pretty sure that beyond times of war mercenaries usually aren't kept as standing forces, because money. And there's a chance that the golden era of Florentine Money lending has not yet happened, I'm not a 100% sure on that.

I will change the mercenary thing, as for the money lending, it was not the golden age yet, but it is still pretty big business at the moment. Florence went through number of economic booms and busts thanks to an unstable political climate. At the moment, Florence makes most of its money through trade and wool, but money lending is still quite big (it became the massive after the introduction of the Florin)

[Reatra]

I honestly don't think I agree, or that Venice would agree, to make Pisa proper part of the Genoese sphere. Their ports and possessions west of the Messina-Tripoli line I care not for, except for Pisa proper.
But as I assume you would dislike me acquiring such a base of operations in the Tyrhenian sea, I motion that after we defeat it in order to be able to enforce our partition it become part of a Florentine sphere, for them to do with as they consider right.

so we gonna destroy Pisa together then?

You can help sure. Try and attack their home city while I attack their colonies in the west and Venice in the east.

[Elepis]

Application
Nation Name: Republic of Florence, Repubblica Fiorentina
Population: 70,000
Capital City: Florence
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Military: As Pisa controls the Tucsan coastline, Florence has no naval power. To protect the City in peace time and at sort notice during war, the Republic keeps a small standing force, one thousand five hundred men-at-arms recruited from the Florentine-Tuscan populace, named the Tuscan guard they have the triple role of soldiers, body guards and a (very) rudimentary police force (like the Roman Preatorians). In times of war, Florence can raise a large levy of the local population, armed with second grade weapons such as spears and axes. It can also, thanks to its wealth from money lending, trade and wool raise an army of mercenaries given enough time.
429[/b]

finito

EDIT: Apparently, Florence was the 4th largest city in Europe at this time so I have changed the population as well

see fourth paragraph

[Elepis]

so we gonna destroy Pisa together then?

You can help sure. Try and attack their home city while I attack their colonies in the west and Venice in the east.

Okay, you two should attack first, draw out their main force then I will advance on the city itself