The year of our Lord 1200

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Posted, by the way.
I feel this is one of my nicer posts in the recent era, and it definitely feels nice to have good posts to replace the venetian experience from many years ago.

Don't make me get Val to take Venice by deception again

[The Jonathanian States]

Posted, by the way.
I feel this is one of my nicer posts in the recent era, and it definitely feels nice to have good posts to replace the venetian experience from many years ago.

'twas quite nice. I've never really had a flair for writing politics or court drama, and you're good at it.

Thank you very much, such a comment feels even better coming from a mentor such as you, I try my best.

Posted, by the way.
I feel this is one of my nicer posts in the recent era, and it definitely feels nice to have good posts to replace the venetian experience from many years ago.

Don't make me get Val to take Venice by deception again

There's a chance that the whole incident actually was ASB, and with ASB I mean the part of foreigners managing to take Venice. I have seen indications of both a sea-wall in certain sectors of Venice and that the lagoon mostly was lacking in depth for ships, except in a few "canals" known mostly only to Venetians. Now, the latter definitely existed later, I just don't know since when, and the former I believe might actually have already existed around these days, the source for that had the date of its construction and IIRC it was before the 13th century. Also, y'know, his expedition once in Venice sort of was stuck, I believe.
That all being said, what does this have to do with my post? The most aggressive thing that is being argued for is not entering a truce if the Byzantines declare war...

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

'twas quite nice. I've never really had a flair for writing politics or court drama, and you're good at it.

Thank you very much, such a comment feels even better coming from a mentor such as you, I try my best.

Don't make me get Val to take Venice by deception again

There's a chance that the whole incident actually was ASB, and with ASB I mean the part of foreigners managing to take Venice. I have seen indications of both a sea-wall in certain sectors of Venice and that the lagoon mostly was lacking in depth for ships, except in a few "canals" known mostly only to Venetians. Now, the latter definitely existed later, I just don't know since when, and the former I believe might actually have already existed around these days, the source for that had the date of its construction and IIRC it was before the 13th century. Also, y'know, his expedition once in Venice sort of was stuck, I believe.
That all being said, what does this have to do with my post? The most aggressive thing that is being argued for is not entering a truce if the Byzantines declare war...

Nothing, Just being a dumbass, also, Istria is a county

[The Jonathanian States]

Thank you very much, such a comment feels even better coming from a mentor such as you, I try my best.

There's a chance that the whole incident actually was ASB, and with ASB I mean the part of foreigners managing to take Venice. I have seen indications of both a sea-wall in certain sectors of Venice and that the lagoon mostly was lacking in depth for ships, except in a few "canals" known mostly only to Venetians. Now, the latter definitely existed later, I just don't know since when, and the former I believe might actually have already existed around these days, the source for that had the date of its construction and IIRC it was before the 13th century. Also, y'know, his expedition once in Venice sort of was stuck, I believe.
That all being said, what does this have to do with my post? The most aggressive thing that is being argued for is not entering a truce if the Byzantines declare war...

Nothing, Just being a dumbass,

mhm.

also, Istria is a county

I'm pretty sure it was not, as I definitely recall having seen somewhere that it is a duchy, and interestingly enough that's something I also did so long ago, one of the things I'm pretty sure was right even then.

[Reatra]

Still don't know what to do for Genoa.


I think I'll be careful and think long term. I'll focus on the Western Mediterranean except for the few cities the Pope gave me in the Levant.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Nothing, Just being a dumbass,

mhm.

also, Istria is a county

I'm pretty sure it was not, as I definitely recall having seen somewhere that it is a duchy, and interestingly enough that's something I also did so long ago, one of the things I'm pretty sure was right even then.

It's a County now, It was part of the Duchy of Carinthia

[The Jonathanian States]

Still don't know what to do for Genoa.


I think I'll be careful and think long term. I'll focus on the Western Mediterranean except for the few cities the Pope gave me in the Levant.

The pope gave you cities in the Levant?
Also, yes, focus on the Western Mediterranean, good idea, I recommend.

mhm.

I'm pretty sure it was not, as I definitely recall having seen somewhere that it is a duchy, and interestingly enough that's something I also did so long ago, one of the things I'm pretty sure was right even then.

It's a County now, It was part of the Duchy of Carinthia

Maybe...

[Reatra]

Still don't know what to do for Genoa.


I think I'll be careful and think long term. I'll focus on the Western Mediterranean except for the few cities the Pope gave me in the Levant.

The pope gave you cities in the Levant?
Also, yes, focus on the Western Mediterranean, good idea, I recommend.

It's a County now, It was part of the Duchy of Carinthia

Maybe...

Well...
Not full cities. We got a third of Byblos and some merchant colonies.

[Fascist Republic Of Bermuda]

Application
Nation Name: Margraviate of Brandenburg
Population: I need help with this,
Capital City: Brandenburg an der Havel
Religion: Catholic
Military: Um... I guess around 500 standing militia? With a further 5k levies that can be raised?
429

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Wait. Roman as in Roman the great of Novgorod, Vladimir and in three years from now Kiev? Well shit. Didn't realise who was the ruler of Vladimir til now.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Application
Nation Name: Margraviate of Brandenburg
Population: I need help with this,
Capital City: Brandenburg an der Havel
Religion: Catholic
Military: Um... I guess around 500 standing militia? With a further 5k levies that can be raised?
429

Yeah, I'll hold most of the HRE shit til I can get a decent map. Wait a bit mate.

speaking of the mpa would this suffice?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/holy-roman-empire-1000-map-1.jpg

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Application
Nation Name: Margraviate of Brandenburg
Population: I need help with this,
Capital City: Brandenburg an der Havel
Religion: Catholic
Military: Um... I guess around 500 standing militia? With a further 5k levies that can be raised?
429

Yeah, I'll hold most of the HRE shit til I can get a decent map. Wait a bit mate.

speaking of the mpa would this suffice?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/holy-roman-empire-1000-map-1.jpg

100 years before the rp?

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Yeah, I'll hold most of the HRE shit til I can get a decent map. Wait a bit mate.

speaking of the mpa would this suffice?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/holy-roman-empire-1000-map-1.jpg

100 years before the rp?

Fuck. Hopping in to CK2 right now.

[Reatra]

100 years before the rp?

Fuck. Hopping in to CK2 right now.

XD


I would have done that awhile ago if I actually had a laptop.

[Elepis]

Application
Nation Name: Republic of Florence, Repubblica Fiorentina
Population: 70,000
Capital City: Florence
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Military: As Pisa controls the Tucsan coastline, Florence has no naval power. To protect the City in peace time and at sort notice during war, the Republic keeps a small standing force, one thousand five hundred men-at-arms recruited from the Florentine-Tuscan populace, named the Tuscan guard they have the triple role of soldiers, body guards and a (very) rudimentary police force (like the Roman Preatorians). In times of war, Florence can raise a large levy of the local population, armed with second grade weapons such as spears and axes. It can also, thanks to its wealth from money lending, trade and wool raise an army of mercenaries given enough time.
429[/b]

finito

EDIT: Apparently, Florence was the 4th largest city in Europe at this time so I have changed the population as well

see fourth paragraph

[The Jonathanian States]

Application
Nation Name: Republic of Florence, Repubblica Fiorentina
Population: 65,000
Capital City: Florence
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Military: As Pisa controls the Tucsan coastline, Florence has no naval power. To protect the City in peace time and at sort notice during war, the Republic keeps two standing forces, one thousand five hundred men-at-arms recruited from the Florentine populace and one thousand south German mercenaries. In times of war, Florence can raise a levy of the local population, armed with second grade weapons such as spears and axes. It can also, thanks to its wealth from money lending, trade and wool raise an army of mercenaries given enough time.
429[/b]

finito

I'm pretty sure that beyond times of war mercenaries usually aren't kept as standing forces, because money. And there's a chance that the golden era of Florentine Money lending has not yet happened, I'm not a 100% sure on that.

The pope gave you cities in the Levant?
Also, yes, focus on the Western Mediterranean, good idea, I recommend.

Maybe...

Well...
Not full cities. We got a third of Byblos and some merchant colonies.

You got some link for those?
Especially that part about a bloody third?
I mean, Venice in 1123 got a street(and certain infrastructure buildings like a well, mill, and I don't want to recite the whole list) in every Jerusalemite city and a Quarter in Acre and that was concerned a very extensive treaty.
Before that they seem to only have had commercial rights (assuming we ignore the short period from when the Venetian Crusade was prepared until the Pactum Warmundi which extended the Crusade's promises).
EDIT:
Found the granting of Byblos, nevermind. Found some interesting other stuff too, but still am reading up on that. /EDIT

[Reatra]

finito

I'm pretty sure that beyond times of war mercenaries usually aren't kept as standing forces, because money. And there's a chance that the golden era of Florentine Money lending has not yet happened, I'm not a 100% sure on that.

Well...
Not full cities. We got a third of Byblos and some merchant colonies.

You got some link for those?
Especially that part about a bloody third?
I mean, Venice in 1123 got a street(and certain infrastructure buildings like a well, mill, and I don't want to recite the whole list) in every Jerusalemite city and a Quarter in Acre and that was concerned a very extensive treaty.
Before that they seem to only have had commercial rights (assuming we ignore the short period from when the Venetian Crusade was prepared until the Pactum Warmundi which extended the Crusade's promises).

Can't do fancy quotes I'm on my phone.


But in the first paragraph of "history" Genoa gets a third of Acre and Byblos after the First Crusade

[The Jonathanian States]

I'm pretty sure that beyond times of war mercenaries usually aren't kept as standing forces, because money. And there's a chance that the golden era of Florentine Money lending has not yet happened, I'm not a 100% sure on that.

You got some link for those?
Especially that part about a bloody third?
I mean, Venice in 1123 got a street(and certain infrastructure buildings like a well, mill, and I don't want to recite the whole list) in every Jerusalemite city and a Quarter in Acre and that was concerned a very extensive treaty.
Before that they seem to only have had commercial rights (assuming we ignore the short period from when the Venetian Crusade was prepared until the Pactum Warmundi which extended the Crusade's promises).

Can't do fancy quotes I'm on my phone.


But in the first paragraph of "history" Genoa gets a third of Acre and Byblos after the First Crusade

Oh wow, seems I found a different link to Byblos going to them just a minute after you.

[Reatra]

Can't do fancy quotes I'm on my phone.


But in the first paragraph of "history" Genoa gets a third of Acre and Byblos after the First Crusade

Oh wow, seems I found a different link to Byblos going to them just a minute after you.

Gloria a La Superba...?

[Luxdonia]

Application
Nation Name: England
Population: 2 million
Capital City: London
Religion: Christianity
Military: 10,000
429

[Reatra]

I e got a great idea Jon. You and I team up to beat up Pisa. (Since I'm still the weaker of the three)

You get their Greek and Crusader state colonies, I get the rest. Since you're only getting things in the Eastern Mediterranean I sliding expect you to fully commit to such a war, but those are some nice juicy trade opportunities.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Application
Nation Name: England
Population: 2 million
Capital City: London
Religion: Christianity
Military: 10,000
429

Accept. I might be going to step down on role playing and just overseer this rp.

[Reatra]

Application
Nation Name: England
Population: 2 million
Capital City: London
Religion: Christianity
Military: 10,000
429

Accept. I might be going to step down on role playing and just overseer this rp.

Who will lead glorious Kiev?



Also update el roster por favor

[The Jonathanian States]

I e got a great idea Jon. You and I team up to beat up Pisa. (Since I'm still the weaker of the three)

You get their Greek and Crusader state colonies, I get the rest. Since you're only getting things in the Eastern Mediterranean I sliding expect you to fully commit to such a war, but those are some nice juicy trade opportunities.

This does sound interesting.
Except for two things: If I'm kicking the Pisans out of the Messina-Tripoli line, I'm unsure of letting you stay there either.
And second, Pisa. What would happen with Pisa. I care not for Sardinia, Corsica, and any other posts they may have in the west. Pisa, though, Pisa is a rich city.

Also, for the record, I am not sure that you are weaker than Pisa.
EDIT:
Also, with regards to Acre, what you received is this:

Genoa obtained one third of Byblos (which become a familiar possession of the Embriaco family) and Acre (one third of the port's incomes).

Not a third of Acre, that'd probably ruin Jerusalem, Acre and a few other ports more or less were its major sources of income. It's all that excellent spice.

[Reatra]

I e got a great idea Jon. You and I team up to beat up Pisa. (Since I'm still the weaker of the three)

You get their Greek and Crusader state colonies, I get the rest. Since you're only getting things in the Eastern Mediterranean I sliding expect you to fully commit to such a war, but those are some nice juicy trade opportunities.

This does sound interesting.
Except for two things: If I'm kicking the Pisans out of the Messina-Tripoli line, I'm unsure of letting you stay there either.
And second, Pisa. What would happen with Pisa. I care not for Sardinia, Corsica, and any other posts they may have in the west. Pisa, though, Pisa is a rich city.

Also, for the record, I am not sure that you are weaker than Pisa.
EDIT:
Also, with regards to Acre, what you received is this:

Genoa obtained one third of Byblos (which become a familiar possession of the Embriaco family) and Acre (one third of the port's incomes).

Not a third of Acre, that'd probably ruin Jerusalem, Acre and a few other ports more or less were its major sources of income. It's all that excellent spice.

Yeah, I know, I barely have any actual lands right now.


And as for Pisa itself, likely a rich city with too small of a population to resist the Florentines coming in. I would annex it, though maybe just take a fifth of the income or something similar.