The year of our Lord 1200

[Reatra]

And Harvard says Venice had 70,000 in 1200

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

What's the status of playing states of the HRE?

[Reatra]

What's the status of playing states of the HRE?

Some guy apped for the whole HRE but I'm pretty sure he just gets the Emperor state

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Application
Nation Name: Duchy of Lombardy
Population:
Capital City: Milan
Religion:Roman Catholicism
Military:
429
No bloody idea where I would find these, I do know Lombardy was the most populated place in Italy though.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Also #RememberCarthage

[Das Germane imperie]

What's the status of playing states of the HRE?

Some guy apped for the whole HRE but I'm pretty sure he just gets the Emperor state

I have withdrawn that app, so it is still open.

[Finland SSR]

Couldn't write it in the app - did it in the first post.

Aren't you all glad you've learned so much about early feudal Lithuania today. Now excuse me while I open my porn links waiting for anyone else to post.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Couldn't write it in the app - did it in the first post.

Aren't you all glad you've learned so much about early feudal Lithuania today. Now excuse me while I open my porn links waiting for anyone else to post.

I have a bangbros account if you want.

[Finland SSR]

Couldn't write it in the app - did it in the first post.

Aren't you all glad you've learned so much about early feudal Lithuania today. Now excuse me while I open my porn links waiting for anyone else to post.

I have a bangbros account if you want.

Ehh. I mainly either go to /r/rule34 and related subs and binge watch the top posts or visit Pornhub.

Or just pirate strategically change the position of the porn like a true Lithuanian.

[The Jonathanian States]

And Harvard says Venice had 70,000 in 1200

Except that isn't anything by Harvard, rather it is a document published by two Professors of Economics who at a time, which I believe is the time that was published, both worked at the Toronto University.
So there's that.
The lowest reasonable count I find is 80,000, seen here, and I have to admit it seems damn credible.
But then I read something on the current demographics of Venice that made me think both are in fact true.
Today the Commune of Venice has 272,000 inhabitants. Of those 176,000 live on the terraferma and therefore aren't relevant for the population of Venice(the city, not republic) in 1200. The remaining 96,000 though are split amongst the city of Venice proper and the other islands of the lagoon Now here is where it gets interesting. The ratio of Venice proper to the rest of the lagoon today seems roughly to be 2:1. Which makes me think that the usage of 80,000 applies to Venice of the Six Sestieri while the additional 20,000 residents from my source in 1200 are supposed to be on the surrounding Islands in the Lagoon, beyond the inner city.

Rightio, well, I'll have to check with the Grand Captain when exactly we are available but I assume you want us to sack and pillage it ASAP?

I have a source in my hand that I am ready to scan and upload proving you wrong. I guess maybe something similar also is said somewhere online.

Yes, that's right. Your "pillage, slaughter and rape" package is looking very nice, by the way. I think I will opt for that specifically.

Edit: The "salt the earth" bonus package as well.

I see, yes. I the Salt the Earth package might be problematic due to Genoa Removers^TM's policy on territorial acquisitions, but the "pillage, slaughter, and rape" package is indeed available.

Application
Nation Name: Duchy of Lombardy
Population:
Capital City: Milan
Religion:Roman Catholicism
Military:
429
No bloody idea where I would find these, I do know Lombardy was the most populated place in Italy though.

Mhm.... what's your opinion on Genoa?
Also, you are wrong. Venice most likely was the third most populated city in (extended) europe, behind only Paris and Constantinople.
That being said, once you have your population your military can be devised from it.

[Finland SSR]

yay map

By the way, Vic2's map sucks for this time period. I tried.

[Das Germane imperie]

Is there still a possibility to app as the Holy Roman Emperor?

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

yay map

By the way, Vic2's map sucks for this time period. I tried.

This is the ck2 map...

Is there still a possibility to app as the Holy Roman Emperor?

yes. I'll edit it to have some of the vassals inside a bit more obvious.

[Das Germane imperie]

Is there still a possibility to app as the Holy Roman Emperor?

yes. I'll edit it to have some of the vassals inside a bit more obvious.

The only thing is that the Empire is in a succession crisis between Otto of York and Philip of Swabia.

[The Jonathanian States]

yay map

By the way, Vic2's map sucks for this time period. I tried.

I'm shooting myself in the leg here, but by 1200 it seems Venice didn't control anything significant in what would become the terraferma.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

yay map

By the way, Vic2's map sucks for this time period. I tried.

I'm shooting myself in the leg here, but by 1200 it seems Venice didn't control anything significant in what would become the terraferma.

May Jennifer Lawrence fuck me if I am wrong, but that map says that you control Ragusa. Technically you have two centers of trade one for the Jerries and the other for the Balkans.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

yes. I'll edit it to have some of the vassals inside a bit more obvious.

The only thing is that the Empire is in a succession crisis between Otto of York and Philip of Swabia.

Otto of york? Didn't an englishman gain the throne in 1252? I forgot the exact date tho..

[Das Germane imperie]

The only thing is that the Empire is in a succession crisis between Otto of York and Philip of Swabia.

Otto of york? Didn't an englishman gain the throne in 1252? I forgot the exact date tho..

Otto was the son of the Bavarian Duke, the title of York was given by Richard I of England during the third Crusade.

[Liecthenbourg]

yes. I'll edit it to have some of the vassals inside a bit more obvious.

The only thing is that the Empire is in a succession crisis between Otto of York and Philip of Swabia.

Holy Roman Empire Battle Royale.

[The Jonathanian States]

I'm shooting myself in the leg here, but by 1200 it seems Venice didn't control anything significant in what would become the terraferma.

May Jennifer Lawrence fuck me if I am wrong, but that map says that you control Ragusa. Technically you have two centers of trade one for the Jerries and the other for the Balkans.

Ragusa isn't the Terraferma. The terraferma are the mainland Italian territories of Venice.
That being said, and it seems I really am on a killing spree here, I'm pretty sure Ragusa was only subjugated in 1205. So I guess congrats and good luck on convincing Jennifer Lawrence.

The only thing is that the Empire is in a succession crisis between Otto of York and Philip of Swabia.

Holy Roman Empire Battle Royale.

Yeeeeeees. I smell profit somewhere in this war of succession. Profit and the terraferma.
EDIT: I know I already answered this earlier, but now after having done some internet research too, I have to do so again:

Wait, Venice didn't have 100,000 until the 1400s

Also, I have no idea where you got this baseless number from.
But you are absolutely wrong, by any and all accounts.

/EDIT

[Das Germane imperie]

Application
Nation Name: Holy Roman Empire (Hohenstaufen)
Population: Imperial Population: est. 5,000,000. Duchy of Swabia and other Hohenstaufen domains: est. 420,000
Capital City: Zähringen
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Military: The de-jure armies of the Holy Roman Empire would exceed 50,000 total, but the troops under command of Philip of Swabia can't be counted to more than 20,000, with vassals included. He is currently in war and is constantly finding recources to hire mercenaries.
429

[Elepis]

could one be the Novgrod/Republic of Florence?

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

could one be the Novgrod/Republic of Florence?

Yes

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Application
Nation Name: Holy Roman Empire (Hohenstaufen)
Population: Imperial Population: est. 5,000,000. Duchy of Swabia and other Hohenstaufen domains: est. 420,000
Capital City: Zähringen
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Military: The de-jure armies of the Holy Roman Empire would exceed 50,000 total, but the troops under command of Philip of Swabia can't be counted to more than 20,000, with vassals included. He is currently in war and is constantly finding recources to hire mercenaries.
429

Accepted

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Application
Nation Name: Duchy of Lombardy
Population:
Capital City: Milan
Religion:Roman Catholicism
Military:
429
No bloody idea where I would find these, I do know Lombardy was the most populated place in Italy though.

accepted

Application
Nation Name: La Serenissima. Need I say more?
Population: About 100,000 inhabitants in the city of Venice. I have no idea of the rest, sadly.
Capital City: Definitely not Venice
Religion: Roman Catholicism.
Military: It's standing army, unless one considers its Marine Soldiers part of the army, is nearly non-existent. For longer conflicts on land Venice relies on mercenaries.
Venice seemed to have deployed 10,000 of its soldiers in 1202, so I'd assume it maybe has that amount once more in standing troops? It definitely had about 20,000 sailors and rowers for a fleet of 210 ships ?
It seems to have possessed a good 60 Great War galleys and an amount of smaller ones that I do not know and that is not included in those 210, which might not be fully accurate as it included civilian ships used in the Fourth crusade.
429

accepted