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Postby The Union of Courland » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:57 am

Oscalantine wrote:
The Union of Courland wrote:Like this:
(Image)


Are we making is so that McDonald's is created in China? Someone get their guidance and make it happen!!!!! :clap:

Even better. I will invent McDonalds in Brittany and spread it around the world! CORPORATE EMPIRES FTW!
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Postby Oscalantine » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:01 am

The Union of Courland wrote:
Oscalantine wrote:
Are we making is so that McDonald's is created in China? Someone get their guidance and make it happen!!!!! :clap:

Even better. I will invent McDonalds in Brittany and spread it around the world! CORPORATE EMPIRES FTW!


XDDD awesome. Since you are so close to Chinese proper, I'll receive McDonald's faster! Win-Win!!!

Speaking of... I should invent Panda Express. Nothing says AH like PE being created by actual Asian nation during 1850 era XDDD

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Postby The Union of Courland » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:08 am

Oscalantine wrote:
The Union of Courland wrote:Even better. I will invent McDonalds in Brittany and spread it around the world! CORPORATE EMPIRES FTW!


XDDD awesome. Since you are so close to Chinese proper, I'll receive McDonald's faster! Win-Win!!!

Speaking of... I should invent Panda Express. Nothing says AH like PE being created by actual Asian nation during 1850 era XDDD

I do believe that's heresy, sir. An Asian Restaurant being invented by Asians? That's just to much Ah for me to handle.
This is the law of the jungle,
As old and as true as the sky,
The wolf that shall keep it may prosper,
But the wolf that shall break it must die,
As the creeper that girdles the tree trunk,
The law runneth forwards and back,
For the strength of the pack is the wolf,
And the strength of a wolf is the pack.
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Postby Cabana » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:10 am

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Cabana wrote:Can I still conquer the rest of Southern Africa? The veldt isn't that dangerous.


It really depends on one factor: have you westernized?

1) yes you westernized: then since all colonial nations are aiming for that trophy, you will be held in check until Scramble for Africa event. You can expand to the coastlines of South Africa, but otherwise you cannot get deep inside the heart of Africa

2) No you are not westernized: you are free to expand however you wish. HOWEVER, when the Scramble for Africa happens, you will be besieged from all sides and I WILL approve of your territory being taken by others. As you could think, I usually don't allow this unless both sides agree to the treaty. However, for the event, I am allowing all African territory up for grabs.

It is up to you whether you will confine yourself for a safe expansion, or gather allies and expand rapidly so that you can keep your ancestral homeland. Either way, with exception of coastlines, I am not allowing anyone to claim African mainlands until Scramble in-IC event.

Well I'm white and I speak a subset of Dutch so I think I'm westernized.
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Postby Oscalantine » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:15 am

Cabana wrote:
Oscalantine wrote:
It really depends on one factor: have you westernized?

1) yes you westernized: then since all colonial nations are aiming for that trophy, you will be held in check until Scramble for Africa event. You can expand to the coastlines of South Africa, but otherwise you cannot get deep inside the heart of Africa

2) No you are not westernized: you are free to expand however you wish. HOWEVER, when the Scramble for Africa happens, you will be besieged from all sides and I WILL approve of your territory being taken by others. As you could think, I usually don't allow this unless both sides agree to the treaty. However, for the event, I am allowing all African territory up for grabs.

It is up to you whether you will confine yourself for a safe expansion, or gather allies and expand rapidly so that you can keep your ancestral homeland. Either way, with exception of coastlines, I am not allowing anyone to claim African mainlands until Scramble in-IC event.

Well I'm white and I speak a subset of Dutch so I think I'm westernized.


Then proceed with #1. You said you declared independence, so I wasn't quite sure if you were African-dominant nation or a colonial nation like ones in the Americas.

I think that settling on the coastlines of South Africa is all well. However, going farther inland would be a big nono until the Scramble for Africa event occurs. At this point, I suppose it really is a free game of landgrab.

I should do the same for Asia and rest of... well... Americas is very much taken. I suppose it would be scramble for Asia when I have a feel for it XDDD

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Postby Princess Kenny » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:05 am

Suekiva wrote:Anti-Russian coalition anybody?


;-;

(Also, relevant)
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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:09 am

Princess Kenny wrote:
Suekiva wrote:Anti-Russian coalition anybody?


;-;

(Also, relevant)


I like the idea of an anti-russian coalition
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Postby Princess Kenny » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:22 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Princess Kenny wrote:
;-;

(Also, relevant)


I like the idea of an anti-russian coalition


y u do dis :(

pls no i kill
rossiya of friend
can into ally?
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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:26 am

Princess Kenny wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
I like the idea of an anti-russian coalition


y u do dis :(

pls no i kill
rossiya of friend
can into ally?


Rossiya big
Rossyia dangerous 4 Roman Empire & alliez
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Postby Suekiva » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:46 am

Princess Kenny wrote:
Suekiva wrote:Anti-Russian coalition anybody?


;-;

(Also, relevant)


For the sake of AH, Crimea announces it's intention to annex Russia.

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Postby Cymrea » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:14 am

Benuty wrote:1) That still has the problem that Canada won't be totally given to you since I have actual core territory there. The only reason my application isn't finished yet is because of the fact the history is incredibly long.

2) The map says Jamaica is owned by someone else.

3) My history, and your history are going to be butting some heads damn shame about it too.

1) No worries, I'll take whatever isn't already claimed. :)

2) The map shows a lot of shaded areas that aren't labelled with officially accepted players, plus it looked like it was shaded with Apple's colour and I thought I'd take a shot there. I'm going to take a better look at the map and try to hammer out an optimal claim with you and Os.

3) Also no worries, we can work it out!
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Postby Cymrea » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:16 am

Elerian wrote:
Cymrea wrote:-Snip-


In case someone else doesn't catch it, your population is really high. At the time England itself only had around 15 million, and with the rest of your territory, the most you could ask for would probably be 20 million.

I did the math using Populstat for 1851, and it came out to just under 30 million for Britain, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Jamaica. But I was reading up on Victorian era Britain and it said the empire had something like 400 million...that had to include India I think. In any case, I will do the math again when I've settled the claims with Benuty and Os. :)
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Postby Cymrea » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:44 am

All right, Os and Benuty: let's start with these claims and go from there. Bearing in mind that this is my most ambitious claim, and I understand that it must be negotiated. :)

Core
Europe: England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Orkney Islands, Shetlands, Gibraltar
North America: Canada (except what's already claimed)
Caribbean: Virgin Islands, Leeward Islands, Windward Islands (except Martinique)
South America: Guyane (the actual unclaimed Guyane, not the mislabelled Suriname claimed by Belgium)
Asia: India (the unclaimed northwestern part), Pakistan (I see both Singapore and Hong Kong have been snapped up!)
Africa: Egypt, Sudan and South Sudan, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Tanzania, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone, and unclaimed bits of South Africa
Oceania: eastern Australia and Tasmania
Other: Falklands, Ascension Island

Claim
Rest of Australia, New Zealand, Chile, Jamaica
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Postby Lenyo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:47 am

My history now meshes with Louisianne's, and I no longer claim Brittany. Their independence is recognized.
Full Nation Name : Second French Republic
Official Culture : French
Territorial Core : Mainland France, Corsica, Martinique, Guadeloupe
Territorial Claim : Algeria, Tunisia, Guiana, Senegal, Namibia, Vietnam, and New Zealand
Capital City : Paris
Population : 35.6 million in mainland France and Corsica, 17.0 million in the overseas colonies (Algeria, Tunisia, Guiana, Senegal, Namibia, Vietnam, New Zealand, Guadeloupe, Martinique)

Government Type : A Social and Democratic Republic with a constitution that rules in the interests of the French industrial working class and peasantry
Government Ideology/Policies : Gradualist socialism
Government Focus : Industrialization in the nation's primary goal, followed by martial strength.
Head of State : The monarchy was repeatedly abolished in 1793, 1830, and 1848.
Head of Government : President Maximilian Travilliste
Government Description :
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Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholic Church
Religious Description : The Roman Catholic Church is the majority religion, but there is a campaign to guarantee some liberties to religious minorities. (Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists)

Economic Ideologies : Market socialism
Major Production : The nation's wines, luxury clothing, and expensive furniture is purchased by the elite throughout the world. France also exports machine tools, medicines, and cosmetics. Exports of machinery are prioritized for the nation's allies.
Economic Description : France is in the throws of industrialization. Finance, textiles, mining, metallurgy, glasswork, and wine are all major industries. The nation still depends upon extracting resources from its colonies, but slavery was finally abolished in 1848. Indicative economic planning is regularly used by the state to rationalize economic development. Economic planners follow a dirigiste ideology, where the state does not merely regulate market activity. Some of the commanding heights of heavy industry are state-owned enterprises, including the postal service, grocery stores, railroads, telegraph wires, ports, electricity, finance, shipbuilding, and arms manufacturing.

Army Strength : Elan is the French military's greatest strength. Intensive psychological training guarantees a true esprit de corps, uniting volunteers soldiers from all the nation's possessions into arguably the greatest fighting force in the world, the Foreign Legion. Men sign up for the Foreign Legion form all corners of the world, despite racism in French society.
Army Weakness : French artillery is inferior to its foreign counterparts. The nation is experimenting with imported artillery in order to modernize all facets of warfare. Prussian cannon and English shipbuilding especially interest military planning.
Naval Strength : The navy is currently modernizing its armaments. A series of reforms have been issued from shipbuilding all the way down to food rations.
Naval Weakness : France imports naval technology from England and Germany... for now.
Further Military Description :
Roughly 500,000 soldiers at full mobilization
Line Infantry - 320 battalions
Light Infantry - 30 battalions of chasseurs
Heavy Cavalry - 20 cuirassier regiments
Line Cavalry - 16 dragoon and 8 lancer regiments
Light Cavalry - 16 chasseur and 8 hussar regiments. Spahis regiments.
Artillery - 16 field and 4 horse regiments
8 Man-of-Wars, 4 Ironclad, 15 Sloop-of-Wars, 20 Ship-of-Line, 50 brigs, 200 patrol boats

National Goals : Completing industrialization, development of the colonies, and building market socialism
National Issues : Despite the nation's new socialist rhetoric, severe poverty and inequality persist, especially in the exploited colonies. Finally addressing poverty is crucial to preventing another revolt.

History : Louis XIV ruled over France between 1643 and 1715. Known as the Sun King, he effectively centralized the administration of the kingdom, weakening the power of both the aristocracy and the church. His Edict of Fontainebleau obliterated Protestantism in France, resulting in mass deaths among heretics. Perhaps his greatest coup was the construction of Versailles, a decedent palace where the aristocrats fiddled away their time with idle amusements while the king dealt with the actual government of the country. His finance minister, Jean-Baptiste Colbert, reinforced mercantilist policy throughout the colonies, cracked down on the horrendous levels of tax evasion among the nobility, and supported domestic manufacturing. Unfortunately the Sun King also engaged in too many wars, which later resulted in a dangerously high national debt. Louis XIV's military adventures included the Franco-Spanish War (1635–59), Battle of Saint Gotthard (1664), War of Devolution (1667-8), Franco-Dutch War (1672–8), War of the Reunions (1683–4), War of the Grand Alliance (1688-97), and finally the War of the Spanish Succession (1701-14). Despite the Sun King's relentless jingoism, he is remembered for making France Europe's foremost power before the Revolution.

The 18th century was tumultuous for France. Although France won minor wars over Spain, Poland, and Austria, it was humiliated during the Seven Years' War (1756–63). France was forced to cede Louisianne, Canada, Dominica, Grenada, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, and Tobago to Great Britain. France did not get over this defeat. Kings Louis XV and Louis XVI supported rebel movements in the British 13 Colonies and their newly acquired Louisianne throughout the 1760's, 1770's, and 1780's. This revenge paid off handsomely when most of Britain's North American colonies gained independence. The United States were recognized in 1776, as was Louisianne in 1784.

1789 forever changed European history. Longstanding war debts, an oppressive feudal class structure, corruption scandals, new enlightenment ideals, and a particularly bad harvest triggered the first capitalist revolution. The Ancien Régime was toppled by the Jacobins, who abolished feudalism, monarchism, the Roman Catholic Church, and slavery. Price controls were established to reduce hunger, seigneurial privileges were revoked, and nationalism was born. Levée en masse militarism allowed Revolutionary France to defeat all the great power of Europe in the 1790's: Austria, Prussia, Britain, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Holland, the Ottomans, French royalists, and various Italian states.

At the end of the eighteenth century Napoleon Bonaparte seized power, both ending and cementing the Revolution. While the radical campaigns for equality and atheism ended, he supported the new bourgeois class while limiting the power of the church. Bonaparte guaranteed religious liberty, wrote the modern law code, founded the police state, reinstated slavery in the colonies, and created the greatest army the world had ever seen. French imperial conquests expanded the capitalist reforms throughout much of Europe, before Bonaparte was finally defeated by a massive coalition of monarchies. The victorious kingdoms installed the Bourbon Dynasty in France in 1815, which barely survived Bonaparte's hundred day return to power.

Throughout the first half of the nineteenth century France's various dynasties expanded its colonial holdings into Algeria, Guiana, Senegal, Vietnam, and New Zealand. Despite losing Haiti during the Revolution, France's Caribbean possessions continued to greatly enrich the metropol. In 1830 a botched anti-monarchist revolution installed the House of Orleans. Capitalism and colonial wealth continued to mature during the first half of the nineteenth century, while poverty and working conditions became ever more dire. Freedoms of the press, assembly, and religion were repeatedly restricted, further aggravating the nation's political crisis.

The Revolutionary Wave that swept Europe in 1848 toppled the French Crown in February, which was replaced by the Second Republic. Because the monarchy's forces were bogged down in Algeria, the 1848 June Days Uprising succeeded, changing the nation's ruling ideology to market socialism. Labor unions were legalized, large sectors of the economy were nationalized, and policies were instituted to address the grievances of the poor and unemployed. The current government has a gradualist ideology; it aims to avoid another revolution by embracing democratic reforms.

Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 1
Comparison Points – Economy : 7
Comparison Points – Military : 4
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 13/13
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Postby Cabana » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:50 am

Cymrea wrote:All right, Os and Benuty: let's start with these claims and go from there. :)

Core
Europe: England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Orkney Islands, Shetlands, Gibraltar
North America: Canada (except what's already claimed)
Caribbean: Virgin Isalnds, Leeward Islands, Windward Islands (except Martinique)
South America: Guyane (the actual unclaimed Guyane, not the mislabelled Suriname claimed by Belgium)
Asia: India (the unclaimed northwestern part), Pakistan
Africa: Egypt, Sudan and South Sudan, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Tanzania, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone, and unclaimed bits of South Africa
Oceania: eastern Australia and Tasmania
Other: Falklands, Ascension Island

Claim
Rest of Australia, New Zealand, Chile, Jamaica

All of South Africa is claimed fam.
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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:08 am

Lenyo wrote:My history now meshes with Louisianne's, and I no longer claim Brittany. Their independence is recognized.
Full Nation Name : Second French Republic
Official Culture : French
Territorial Core : Mainland France, Corsica, Martinique, Guadeloupe
Territorial Claim : Algeria, Guiana, Senegal, Vietnam, Namibia, and New Zealand
Capital City : Paris
Population : 40 million

Government Type : A Social and Democratic Republic with a constitution that rules in the interests of the French industrial working class and peasantry
Government Ideology/Policies : Gradualist socialism
Government Focus : Industrialization in the nation's primary goal, followed by martial strength.
Head of State : The monarchy was repeatedly abolished in 1793, 1830, and 1848.
Head of Government : President Maximilian Travilliste
Government Description :

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholic Church
Religious Description : The Roman Catholic Church is the majority religion, but there is a campaign to guarantee some liberties to religious minorities. (Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists)

Economic Ideologies : Market socialism
Major Production : The nation's wines, luxury clothing, and expensive furniture is purchased by the elite throughout the world. France also exports machine tools, medicines, and cosmetics. Exports of machinery are prioritized for the nation's allies.
Economic Description : France is in the throws of industrialization. Finance, textiles, mining, metallurgy, glasswork, and wine are all major industries. The nation still depends upon extracting resources from its colonies, but slavery was finally abolished in 1848. Indicative economic planning is regularly used by the state to rationalize economic development. Economic planners follow a dirigiste ideology, where the state does not merely regulate market activity. Some of the commanding heights of heavy industry are state-owned enterprises, including the postal service, grocery stores, railroads, telegraph wires, ports, electricity, finance, shipbuilding, and arms manufacturing.

Army Strength : Elan is the French military's greatest strength. Intensive psychological training guarantees a true esprit de corps, uniting volunteers soldiers from all the nation's possessions into arguably the greatest fighting force in the world, the Foreign Legion. Men sign up for the Foreign Legion form all corners of the world, despite racism in French society.
Army Weakness : French artillery is inferior to its foreign counterparts. The nation is experimenting with imported artillery in order to modernize all facets of warfare. Prussian cannon and English shipbuilding especially interest military planning.
Naval Strength : The navy is currently modernizing its armaments. A series of reforms have been issued from shipbuilding all the way down to food rations.
Naval Weakness : France imports naval technology from England and Germany... for now.
Further Military Description :
Roughly 500,000 soldiers at full mobilization
Line Infantry - 320 battalions
Light Infantry - 30 battalions of chasseurs
Heavy Cavalry - 20 cuirassier regiments
Line Cavalry - 16 dragoon and 8 lancer regiments
Light Cavalry - 16 chasseur and 8 hussar regiments. Spahis regiments.
Artillery - 16 field and 4 horse regiments
8 Man-of-Wars, 4 Ironclad, 15 Sloop-of-Wars, 20 Ship-of-Line, 50 brigs, 200 patrol boats

National Goals : Completing industrialization, development of the colonies, and building market socialism
National Issues : Despite the nation's new socialist rhetoric, severe poverty and inequality persist, especially in the exploited colonies. Finally addressing poverty is crucial to preventing another revolt.

History : Louis XIV ruled over France between 1643 and 1715. Known as the Sun King, he effectively centralized the administration of the kingdom, weakening the power of both the aristocracy and the church. His Edict of Fontainebleau obliterated Protestantism in France, resulting in mass deaths among heretics. Perhaps his greatest coup was the construction of Versailles, a decedent palace where the aristocrats fiddled away their time with idle amusements while the king dealt with the actual government of the country. His finance minister, Jean-Baptiste Colbert, reinforced mercantilist policy throughout the colonies, cracked down on the horrendous levels of tax evasion among the nobility, and supported domestic manufacturing. Unfortunately the Sun King also engaged in too many wars, which later resulted in a dangerously high national debt. Louis XIV's military adventures included the Franco-Spanish War (1635–59), Battle of Saint Gotthard (1664), War of Devolution (1667-8), Franco-Dutch War (1672–8), War of the Reunions (1683–4), War of the Grand Alliance (1688-97), and finally the War of the Spanish Succession (1701-14). Despite the Sun King's relentless jingoism, he is remembered for making France Europe's foremost power before the Revolution.

The 18th century was tumultuous for France. Although France won minor wars over Spain, Poland, and Austria, it was humiliated during the Seven Years' War (1756–63). France was forced to cede Louisianne, Canada, Dominica, Grenada, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, and Tobago to Great Britain. France did not get over this defeat. Kings Louis XV and Louis XVI supported rebel movements in the British 13 Colonies and their newly acquired Louisianne throughout the 1760's, 1770's, and 1780's. This revenge paid off handsomely when most of Britain's North American colonies gained independence. The United States were recognized in 1776, as was Louisianne in 1784.

1789 forever changed European history. Longstanding war debts, an oppressive feudal class structure, corruption scandals, new enlightenment ideals, and a particularly bad harvest triggered the first capitalist revolution. The Ancien Régime was toppled by the Jacobins, who abolished feudalism, monarchism, the Roman Catholic Church, and slavery. Price controls were established to reduce hunger, seigneurial privileges were revoked, and nationalism was born. Levée en masse militarism allowed Revolutionary France to defeat all the great power of Europe in the 1790's: Austria, Prussia, Britain, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Holland, the Ottomans, French royalists, and various Italian states.

At the end of the eighteenth century Napoleon Bonaparte seized power, both ending and cementing the Revolution. While the radical campaigns for equality and atheism ended, he supported the new bourgeois class while limiting the power of the church. Bonaparte guaranteed religious liberty, wrote the modern law code, founded the police state, reinstated slavery in the colonies, and created the greatest army the world had ever seen. French imperial conquests expanded the capitalist reforms throughout much of Europe, before Bonaparte was finally defeated by a massive coalition of monarchies. The victorious kingdoms installed the Bourbon Dynasty in France in 1815, which barely survived Bonaparte's hundred day return to power.

Throughout the first half of the nineteenth century France's various dynasties expanded its colonial holdings into Algeria, Guiana, Senegal, Vietnam, and New Zealand. Despite losing Haiti during the Revolution, France's Caribbean possessions continued to greatly enrich the metropol. In 1830 a botched anti-monarchist revolution installed the House of Orleans. Capitalism and colonial wealth continued to mature during the first half of the nineteenth century, while poverty and working conditions became ever more dire. Freedoms of the press, assembly, and religion were repeatedly restricted, further aggravating the nation's political crisis.

The Revolutionary Wave that swept Europe in 1848 toppled the French Crown in February, which was replaced by the Second Republic. Because the monarchy's forces were bogged down in Algeria, the 1848 June Days Uprising succeeded, changing the nation's ruling ideology to market socialism. Labor unions were legalized, large sectors of the economy were nationalized, and policies were instituted to address the grievances of the poor and unemployed. The current government has a gradualist ideology; it aims to avoid another revolution by embracing democratic reforms.

Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 1
Comparison Points – Economy : 5
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10

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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:09 am

Princess Kenny wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:
I like the idea of an anti-russian coalition


y u do dis :(

pls no i kill
rossiya of friend
can into ally?

MOngols Stronk. Mongols like rossiya,
Can into ally?
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Postby Second Helghan Empire » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:34 am

The Union of Courland wrote:
Eurasian Hegemony wrote:Full Nation Name :Union of the Holy Papal States and The Kingdom of Chrostendom.
Majority/Official Culture : Unspecified but most Governing is Italian even though the only distinction the government makes is between Christian and non Christian
Territorial Core : Italy, Switzerland, Malta, Crete, Tunisia, Libya, North and West Egypt, Sinai Peninsula, Israel, Lebanon
Territorial Claim : Egypt, Sudan, Arabia, Jordan, Ethiopia
Capital City : Two capitals, The side of the Papal states is Rome, and the capital of Christendom is Jerusalem
Population :28.98 million

Government Type : Dual Theocratic Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Expansionist
Government Focus : Technically one of the oldest nations in Europe, At least in a national spirit sense, It has vast culture and expansive trade networks but its real strength is its military arm the backbone of which are the Templar Knights
Head of State : Pope Andrew mostly a puppet
Head of Government : King Giuseppe Angeoli II
Government Description :While technically the papal states and the Kingdom of Christendom, Rome has lost power long ago and the Catholic church itself is now no more then a part of the Kingdom.

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholic
Religious Description :

Economic Ideologies : While there is little restriction on trade the Kingdom controls all facets of the economy
Major Production :Wine, Food, Textiles, Machined parts, metal
Economic Description : Strong but held back due to the Kingdom's restrictions on trade

Army Strength :Very well organized and centuries of tradition giving plenty of morale, experts at adapting, some have been warriors in training since they were born
Army Weakness :Relatively poorly armed, extreme focus on infantry leading to weakened cavalry and artillery, some are poorly if not almost untrained
Naval Strength :Extremely Durable "can take the beaten but keep from sinkin"
Naval Weakness :slow and poorly armed at mid range
Further Military Description :

National Goals :Build a Christian Paradise by converting the muslims and reclaiming the Whole of the Holy land
National Issues : The Kingdom need to realize the times abit better or be left behind
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]] well aside from moses and mother Theresa there is the Pope and King Adolfo Angelio I and King Giuseppe Angelio I
National Ambition/Aspirations : become a world power and revolutionize culture

History :

Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 4
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10


A giant WIP it will take a while to do my history and military descriptions and economic description to my preference but being as I'm on my phone and its 2 am I will post this so I can get it on my computer tomorrow after work.

Also i know my claimed territory will come under fire i will fix it but i have to work in the morning so goodnight

I would recommend removing Switzerland from your claims. The Swiss people are fiercely stubborn, and at this point just want everyone else to stop invading them and just stay neutral. Not to mention the majority of Swiss people at the time were Protestant or Calvinist, so that's even more reason to resist your rule. At the very least, I'd say you would have a hell of a time taking the country, and your would probably have revolutions popping up from time to time.


Well thats the beauty of alternate history isn't it,He can change history and say that they stayed catholic and joined his nation freely, were conquered or that Swtizerland was gradually overpopulated with Italians that eventually wanted to be part of his country again. Frankly I would to see this app come to fruition.

Also my computer crashed after typing all but the last two paragraphs of my IC post I was working on soooo It may be another day or so Im sorry.
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Postby Second Helghan Empire » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:37 am

Cymrea wrote:All right, Os and Benuty: let's start with these claims and go from there. Bearing in mind that this is my most ambitious claim, and I understand that it must be negotiated. :)

Core
Europe: England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Orkney Islands, Shetlands, Gibraltar
North America: Canada (except what's already claimed)
Caribbean: Virgin Islands, Leeward Islands, Windward Islands (except Martinique)
South America: Guyane (the actual unclaimed Guyane, not the mislabelled Suriname claimed by Belgium)
Asia: India (the unclaimed northwestern part), Pakistan (I see both Singapore and Hong Kong have been snapped up!)
Africa: Egypt, Sudan and South Sudan, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Tanzania, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone, and unclaimed bits of South Africa
Oceania: eastern Australia and Tasmania
Other: Falklands, Ascension Island

Claim
Rest of Australia, New Zealand, Chile, Jamaica


Someone reserved Egypt and North africa and gibraltar is part of Iberian Islamic nation I believe.
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Postby Cymrea » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:40 am

Cabana wrote:All of South Africa is claimed fam.

The map shows that only about half of RL South Africa is claimed.
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Postby Cymrea » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:41 am

Core
Europe: England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Orkney Islands, Shetlands, Gibraltar
North America: Hudson's Bay area (already shaded)
Caribbean: Virgin Islands, Leeward Islands, Windward Islands (except Martinique)
South America: Guyane (the actual unclaimed Guyane, not the mislabelled Suriname claimed by Belgium)
Asia: India (the unclaimed northwestern part), Pakistan (I see both Singapore and Hong Kong have been snapped up!)
Africa: Egypt, Sudan and South Sudan, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Tanzania, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone and unclaimed bits of South Africa
Oceania: eastern Australia and Tasmania
Other: Falklands, Ascension Island

Claim
Rest of Australia, New Zealand, Chile, Jamaica[/quote]

How's this?
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Postby Princess Kenny » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:49 am

In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:
Princess Kenny wrote:
y u do dis :(

pls no i kill
rossiya of friend
can into ally?

MOngols Stronk. Mongols like rossiya,
Can into ally?


as long as you promise not to touch little siberia
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Postby Tracian Empire » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:50 am

Princess Kenny wrote:
In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:MOngols Stronk. Mongols like rossiya,
Can into ally?


as long as you promise not to touch little siberia


I don't want the glorious Roman soldiers to die in the Russian winter, so as long as you don't attack me and my little buddy Siberia, we would be okay.And if you want, we can divide the Romanian principalities between us.
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Postby Oscalantine » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:19 am

Lenyo wrote:
My history now meshes with Louisianne's, and I no longer claim Brittany. Their independence is recognized.
Full Nation Name : Second French Republic
Official Culture : French
Territorial Core : Mainland France, Corsica, Martinique, Guadeloupe
Territorial Claim : Algeria, Guiana, Senegal, Vietnam, Namibia, and New Zealand
Capital City : Paris
Population : 40 million

Government Type : A Social and Democratic Republic with a constitution that rules in the interests of the French industrial working class and peasantry
Government Ideology/Policies : Gradualist socialism
Government Focus : Industrialization in the nation's primary goal, followed by martial strength.
Head of State : The monarchy was repeatedly abolished in 1793, 1830, and 1848.
Head of Government : President Maximilian Travilliste
Government Description :(Image)

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholic Church
Religious Description : The Roman Catholic Church is the majority religion, but there is a campaign to guarantee some liberties to religious minorities. (Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists)

Economic Ideologies : Market socialism
Major Production : The nation's wines, luxury clothing, and expensive furniture is purchased by the elite throughout the world. France also exports machine tools, medicines, and cosmetics. Exports of machinery are prioritized for the nation's allies.
Economic Description : France is in the throws of industrialization. Finance, textiles, mining, metallurgy, glasswork, and wine are all major industries. The nation still depends upon extracting resources from its colonies, but slavery was finally abolished in 1848. Indicative economic planning is regularly used by the state to rationalize economic development. Economic planners follow a dirigiste ideology, where the state does not merely regulate market activity. Some of the commanding heights of heavy industry are state-owned enterprises, including the postal service, grocery stores, railroads, telegraph wires, ports, electricity, finance, shipbuilding, and arms manufacturing.

Army Strength : Elan is the French military's greatest strength. Intensive psychological training guarantees a true esprit de corps, uniting volunteers soldiers from all the nation's possessions into arguably the greatest fighting force in the world, the Foreign Legion. Men sign up for the Foreign Legion form all corners of the world, despite racism in French society.
Army Weakness : French artillery is inferior to its foreign counterparts. The nation is experimenting with imported artillery in order to modernize all facets of warfare. Prussian cannon and English shipbuilding especially interest military planning.
Naval Strength : The navy is currently modernizing its armaments. A series of reforms have been issued from shipbuilding all the way down to food rations.
Naval Weakness : France imports naval technology from England and Germany... for now.
Further Military Description :
Roughly 500,000 soldiers at full mobilization
Line Infantry - 320 battalions
Light Infantry - 30 battalions of chasseurs
Heavy Cavalry - 20 cuirassier regiments
Line Cavalry - 16 dragoon and 8 lancer regiments
Light Cavalry - 16 chasseur and 8 hussar regiments. Spahis regiments.
Artillery - 16 field and 4 horse regiments
8 Man-of-Wars, 4 Ironclad, 15 Sloop-of-Wars, 20 Ship-of-Line, 50 brigs, 200 patrol boats

National Goals : Completing industrialization, development of the colonies, and building market socialism
National Issues : Despite the nation's new socialist rhetoric, severe poverty and inequality persist, especially in the exploited colonies. Finally addressing poverty is crucial to preventing another revolt.

History : Louis XIV ruled over France between 1643 and 1715. Known as the Sun King, he effectively centralized the administration of the kingdom, weakening the power of both the aristocracy and the church. His Edict of Fontainebleau obliterated Protestantism in France, resulting in mass deaths among heretics. Perhaps his greatest coup was the construction of Versailles, a decedent palace where the aristocrats fiddled away their time with idle amusements while the king dealt with the actual government of the country. His finance minister, Jean-Baptiste Colbert, reinforced mercantilist policy throughout the colonies, cracked down on the horrendous levels of tax evasion among the nobility, and supported domestic manufacturing. Unfortunately the Sun King also engaged in too many wars, which later resulted in a dangerously high national debt. Louis XIV's military adventures included the Franco-Spanish War (1635–59), Battle of Saint Gotthard (1664), War of Devolution (1667-8), Franco-Dutch War (1672–8), War of the Reunions (1683–4), War of the Grand Alliance (1688-97), and finally the War of the Spanish Succession (1701-14). Despite the Sun King's relentless jingoism, he is remembered for making France Europe's foremost power before the Revolution.

The 18th century was tumultuous for France. Although France won minor wars over Spain, Poland, and Austria, it was humiliated during the Seven Years' War (1756–63). France was forced to cede Louisianne, Canada, Dominica, Grenada, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, and Tobago to Great Britain. France did not get over this defeat. Kings Louis XV and Louis XVI supported rebel movements in the British 13 Colonies and their newly acquired Louisianne throughout the 1760's, 1770's, and 1780's. This revenge paid off handsomely when most of Britain's North American colonies gained independence. The United States were recognized in 1776, as was Louisianne in 1784.

1789 forever changed European history. Longstanding war debts, an oppressive feudal class structure, corruption scandals, new enlightenment ideals, and a particularly bad harvest triggered the first capitalist revolution. The Ancien Régime was toppled by the Jacobins, who abolished feudalism, monarchism, the Roman Catholic Church, and slavery. Price controls were established to reduce hunger, seigneurial privileges were revoked, and nationalism was born. Levée en masse militarism allowed Revolutionary France to defeat all the great power of Europe in the 1790's: Austria, Prussia, Britain, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Holland, the Ottomans, French royalists, and various Italian states.

At the end of the eighteenth century Napoleon Bonaparte seized power, both ending and cementing the Revolution. While the radical campaigns for equality and atheism ended, he supported the new bourgeois class while limiting the power of the church. Bonaparte guaranteed religious liberty, wrote the modern law code, founded the police state, reinstated slavery in the colonies, and created the greatest army the world had ever seen. French imperial conquests expanded the capitalist reforms throughout much of Europe, before Bonaparte was finally defeated by a massive coalition of monarchies. The victorious kingdoms installed the Bourbon Dynasty in France in 1815, which barely survived Bonaparte's hundred day return to power.

Throughout the first half of the nineteenth century France's various dynasties expanded its colonial holdings into Algeria, Guiana, Senegal, Vietnam, and New Zealand. Despite losing Haiti during the Revolution, France's Caribbean possessions continued to greatly enrich the metropol. In 1830 a botched anti-monarchist revolution installed the House of Orleans. Capitalism and colonial wealth continued to mature during the first half of the nineteenth century, while poverty and working conditions became ever more dire. Freedoms of the press, assembly, and religion were repeatedly restricted, further aggravating the nation's political crisis.

The Revolutionary Wave that swept Europe in 1848 toppled the French Crown in February, which was replaced by the Second Republic. Because the monarchy's forces were bogged down in Algeria, the 1848 June Days Uprising succeeded, changing the nation's ruling ideology to market socialism. Labor unions were legalized, large sectors of the economy were nationalized, and policies were instituted to address the grievances of the poor and unemployed. The current government has a gradualist ideology; it aims to avoid another revolution by embracing democratic reforms.

Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 1
Comparison Points – Economy : 5
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10


Thanks for coming back, dude. Missed'cha. And thanks for fixing the histories ^^

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Postby Oscalantine » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:21 am

Princess Kenny wrote:
In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam wrote:MOngols Stronk. Mongols like rossiya,
Can into ally?


as long as you promise not to touch little siberia


Kenny, you are at crossroads.

Are you... willing to join with Expansionist Mongol-China that could threaten your Siberian claim...

OR... are you willing to side with Korea, which has no interest in Siberia but instead wish to help you check your Mongol neighbors?

Either way, Korea will will basically see you as threat to its existence and ally whoever is against you if you side with the Mongols, and will eagerly support your siberian claims by checking Chinese coastlines if you are against Mongols. Your choice ^^

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