1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[Western Imperial Union]

Californian Confederation, so canonical.

What?

[Second Helghan Empire]

XDDDD it is just going to be a meme. I like #see.Novacom. It makes everything sound so... errr... epic XDDD

In all seriousness, our current activity is not bad. It is just that our activity is slowed from cheetah to human pace. This RP had SUCH a massive support and love during the summer that what I thought was going to be a month-long RP to sate my AH-RP needs have spilled over to months of sprawling RP with Hetalia sub-RP of all things XDDD. I am sincerely grateful for everyone here. You made my RP into such a runaway success ^^

Anyhow... that being said... that's why I have been asking folks to be a colonial power... and why I have been hesitant on allowing more minor or isolated nations. Majority of then event planned during 1850 is necessarily a colonial thing... be it a new way to colonize that opens a MASSIVE FLOODGATE of new regions to colonize (like machine guns and better medication which allowed Scramble for Africa IRL) or a side effect of colonization (that... Lenyo-desired great recession that is planned for sometime in the future). Those without a major colonial nation is kinda left out of these major events.

Because I am not yet of great host, I cannot cater to everyone's needs T~T. Basically I know my limits and my shortcomings as rather mediocre OP and have been warning folks against this being a problem.

... that being said, I understand that some nations do need a bit of switch. Personally, Louisiana was never "boned" at any time. It could have had a jolly time with its mother France and jumped into the Caribbean grab at any time... it was more or less content to stay in the sidelines. I do agree, though, that Russia needs a bit more of activity, and I'll be asking Kosovo alongside India dude for confirmation as to whether they are busy or not. Because technically, if Australia and Russia was an active RPers, they can effectively counter AEGIS by creating a counter coalition with Rome, creating a powerhouse of manpower that can simply dwarf Western technology. Machine gun still isn't a big thing... and even when it was, it didn't help US from being overrun by Chinese during Korean War XDDD.

... Cheng? He is active... again, your definition of active does not apply XDDDD. I learned that the hard way when Quendi was only gone for two days and I spazzed about it. Quendi gave me a nice lecture on definition of timeliness ^^

I didn't mention Quendi, as South America is as active as it needs to be, not much is going on there as Brazil and Argentina are allied, Cheng needs to be MORE active is my point as China is a major player who for good or ill would drive activity in Asia, as for Louisiana, well it's literally the whole join in with France, which has now fallen through, I foresee more activity in that area though when The Gulf of Mexico is renamed the Gulf of Aztlan

To be fair we've discussed AEGIS and it likely fracturing but there would need to be IC circumstances for it to occur which in itself would drive activity.

Oh and someone mentioned Belgium, that's kind of being vetoed by Helghan who is inhaling it gently.

I do look forward to wrapping up the event in my area and laying groundwork for the Panama one

Shhhh Nova don't tell people they could try and stop me !!!

[Novacom]

I didn't mention Quendi, as South America is as active as it needs to be, not much is going on there as Brazil and Argentina are allied, Cheng needs to be MORE active is my point as China is a major player who for good or ill would drive activity in Asia, as for Louisiana, well it's literally the whole join in with France, which has now fallen through, I foresee more activity in that area though when The Gulf of Mexico is renamed the Gulf of Aztlan

To be fair we've discussed AEGIS and it likely fracturing but there would need to be IC circumstances for it to occur which in itself would drive activity.

Oh and someone mentioned Belgium, that's kind of being vetoed by Helghan who is inhaling it gently.

I do look forward to wrapping up the event in my area and laying groundwork for the Panama one

Shhhh Nova don't tell people they could try and stop me !!!

I won't mention anything about it again if you play ball on Panama being my exclusive playground with no outsiders allowed

[Rygondria]

I am trying to get a post up but writers block can really hamper progress.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Shhhh Nova don't tell people they could try and stop me !!!

I won't mention anything about it again if you play ball on Panama being my exclusive playground with no outsiders allowed

No Hansa ships will come towards that area unless invited.

[Novacom]

I won't mention anything about it again if you play ball on Panama being my exclusive playground with no outsiders allowed

No Hansa ships will come towards that area unless invited.

and invited I hope you mean invited by me

http://s10.postimg.org/kamafycll/Off_Limits.png As an aside a visual representation of what is in my exclusion zone anything entering it that's not one of my vessels will be sunk without warning to make sure Pirates arn't using false flags and liveries...

[Second Helghan Empire]

No Hansa ships will come towards that area unless invited.

and invited I hope you mean invited by me

http://s10.postimg.org/kamafycll/Off_Limits.png As an aside a visual representation of what is in my exclusion zone anything entering it that's not one of my vessels will be sunk without warning to make sure Pirates arn't using false flags and liveries...

That is like the equivalent of the germans trying to kill off britain's sea trade in Ww1 as in it is a massive undertaking and an immense drain of resources. Not to mention it could spark a war quite quickly.

[Togeria]

Back from school.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

and invited I hope you mean invited by me

http://s10.postimg.org/kamafycll/Off_Limits.png As an aside a visual representation of what is in my exclusion zone anything entering it that's not one of my vessels will be sunk without warning to make sure Pirates arn't using false flags and liveries...

That is like the equivalent of the germans trying to kill off britain's sea trade in Ww1 as in it is a massive undertaking and an immense drain of resources. Not to mention it could spark a war quite quickly.

Hey guys let's gang up on Azteks and carve up his territory.

[Second Helghan Empire]

That is like the equivalent of the germans trying to kill off britain's sea trade in Ww1 as in it is a massive undertaking and an immense drain of resources. Not to mention it could spark a war quite quickly.

Hey guys let's gang up on Azteks and carve up his territory.

Lolz that would be a fun war but it is a long time from now, his armies would probably defeat the small forces any aegis nations could land and by the time we had sent enough troops the morale on both sides would be akin to mid ww1 ugh i reference that often it seems.

[Eurasian Hegemony]

I would be too busy in africa and arabia to send military support but I could provide economic aide.

[Bhikkustan]

Is Siam accepted? I need to know, so I can post (or not post!),

[Conwy-Shire]

and invited I hope you mean invited by me

http://s10.postimg.org/kamafycll/Off_Limits.png As an aside a visual representation of what is in my exclusion zone anything entering it that's not one of my vessels will be sunk without warning to make sure Pirates arn't using false flags and liveries...

Yes, let's all colonise Panama from the south-west, Novacom won't mind will he? it's not in his exclusion zone anyway...

[Oscalantine]

Is Siam accepted? I need to know, so I can post (or not post!),

Errr... I said that you need to fix a few things... did you do so? Because last I checked, you did not ^^;;;

[Bhikkustan]

I think so, I'll repost the app.

[Bhikkustan]

Full Nation Name : The Kingdom of Siam
Majority/Official Culture : [[What your people identify themselves with… French, Chinese, Iroquois, Touareg, etc.]] Southeast Asian with a few Europeans.
Territorial Core : [[place where you have absolute control over]] Thailand and any left over neighbours.
Territorial Claim : [[OPTIONAL]] [[region NOT your core where your nation’s ambition lies]] all of Southeast Asia and the Philippines
Capital City : [[Its IRL location and name]] Ahyuttha
Population : 18 million

Government Type : [[Monarchy, Republic, etc.]] monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Militant, Imperialist, Expansionist, etc.]] Compassionate and nationalistic, quite expansionist.
Government Focus : [[Tell me a little bit about what is your government’s focus… be it military, economy, culture, legitimacy, etc.]] Our governments focus is to bring Siam to the fore of world superpowers, and usher Asia into an age of peace and Buddhist enlightenment. They focus on welfare and education, while keeping defence well funded.
Head of State : [[highest-ranking individual in the nation according to rule of law]] King Rama III
Head of Government : [[highest-ranking defacto ruler]] King Rama III
Government Description : The government is ruled by the king, and they are very concerned for the people. They are not corrupt, and have a medium government size. The people vote in a president from two candidates, and they are made sure that they are fanatically loyal to the king.

Majority/State Religion : [[OPTIONAL]] [[It does not have to be IRL religion]] Buddhism.
Religious Description : [[OPTIONAL]] The population of Siam are fervently buddhist, and there are many great temples spread out across the land. The bishops and abbots of the temples hold significant power, but do not abuse it.

Economic Ideologies : [[Capitalism, Mercantilism, Socialism, Communism, etc.]] The people are very centrist, allowing anyone to set up small business, but supporting those who fail.
Major Production : Seafood and rice, agricultural.
Economic Description : The economy of Siam is well run, with significant government funding and support. The economy is led by the fishing industry, and the bay of Thailand is full of fishing ships. There is also a lot of farming, with rice being a major export. On a domestic scale, many people own small carts and businesses, and hawkers are common.

Army Strength : with 180,000 men filled with nationalistic pride, the infantry are rightfully feared. They are also very well trained, and very able in melee. They are nearly fanatically loyal, and will hardly ever flee, even in the face of impossible odds. There are also 500,000 civilian militia, who take up arms when the nation is in danger.
Army Weakness : The army is quite outdated, and this is reflected in their artillery, with many outdated cannons.
Naval Strength : The navy is large for the size of the nation, and has natural harbours. There are 100 ships of the line, and many smaller ships.
Naval Weakness : As with the army, the ships are relatively outdated.
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]] The Siamese military is a matter of national pride. They all wear brilliant purple uniforms with golden silk lining, and distinct helmets which have been nicknamed dragonhelms. All soldiers are fanatically loyal and brave to the point of insanity. They are very well trained, ably making up for their old equipment. Each man is also armed with a steel sword, giving them the edge against most foes. This blade has been their saviour in many battles in which they are simply outgunned by more modern weapons. Several men also wield glaives, to stave off cavalry charges.

National Goals : to bring peace and prosperity to Southeast Asia.
National Issues : [[what needs to be fixed in order for your nation to achieve its true potential]] The kingdom has few allies, and need some more. Also, they need to modernise their army.
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]] General Kaijon. A brilliant tactical commander, he leads the Siamese army in there battles. A respected leader, he leads with the same hardships as his men.
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]] To become an empire to last for all time.

History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]
-1350: the Khmer empire falls, and King Rammet took over much of Thailand and Southeast Asia.
-1400: after wars with neighbouring states, the Rammetian kingdom took over more land, growing into a larger state.
-1450: the kingdom moves its capital to Ayutthaya, and rename themselves the Kingdom of Siam.
-1530-1532: Dutch settlers attempt to invade during an event known as the Dutch wars. The Dutch are eventually repulsed during the battle of Sathorn, giving national pride and proving the young Kingdom in the field of battle. A Dutch viewer during the battle of Sathorn quoted that "as our men attacked the Siamese line, the air reported with the crack of thousands of muskets, and our men quailed with fear as they advanced. Their artillery, placed on the crest of a nearby hill, ploughed cannonballs deep through our tightly packed men. They advanced, and soon our position was enveloped by these fanatical soldiers, each one armed with a short sword. Our men broke, and Duke Hans himself was cut down in the ensuing rout. It was a dark day in Dutch history, and invading Siam was a mistake we will not commit again."
-1600: the Kingdom makes trade deals with neighbouring states, forging an age of economic growth.
-1630: the Kingdom defeats a Burmese invasion, and takes Burmese land. (Main point of divergence)
-1750: the Siamese army purchased thousands of muskets from china, in an attempt to modernise their military. Most of these muskets are still in active service today.
-1800: The kingdom once again turns its eye to expansion, and takes a little ground.
-1841: King Rama III ascends to the throne at the age of 30, and brings cultural reforms and welfare to the people of Siam.
Comparison Points – Political : [[How much national focus is gone into administrating the government, i.e. espionage, royal marriages, counter-intelligence, etc.]] 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : [[How much national focus is gone into religious and or cultural aspects, i.e. asking for excommunication, call for crusade, soviet revolution in other nations, etc.]] 4
Comparison Points – Economy : [[How much national focus is gone into economic matters, i.e. embargo/blockade efficiency, lasting through war of attrition, simply feeding your people better, etc.]] 3
Comparison Points – Military : [[How much national focus is gone into military, i.e. discipline, morale, better tacticians/generals, etc.]] 2
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10
Will add more if necessary.

[Novacom]

and invited I hope you mean invited by me

http://s10.postimg.org/kamafycll/Off_Limits.png As an aside a visual representation of what is in my exclusion zone anything entering it that's not one of my vessels will be sunk without warning to make sure Pirates arn't using false flags and liveries...

Yes, let's all colonise Panama from the south-west, Novacom won't mind will he? it's not in his exclusion zone anyway...

Good luck with that just means you'll put up less of a fight against me!

[Novacom]

And just about caught up and nearly shot of this block, I'll save the wrap up post to see what gets chucked my way, and that exclusion zone wouldn't be that hard to deal with, that hardest part would be the eastern segment...

[Oscalantine]

Novacom, as a rule of thumb, I am going to ignore your last post.

Main reasoning: you double-posted. That could have a ramification that I don't want to care too much about. I will consider that last part as part of next update for the event. In the future, I would also like to ensure that you wait a bit for others to post before posting ^^;;;

Sorry to limit you like that, dude... I just don't want you to risk running into autoplay and not letting others respond to your post. I know you meant well, but... I don't want any friction between the members ^^;;;

[Western Imperial Union]

Nova what about my activity actually bothers you? I have spent all my time focused on taking the rest of Mongolia. Seriously I just conquered a country and signed a powerful agreement with korea and to a lesser extent what else can I do for you.

[Novacom]

Novacom, as a rule of thumb, I am going to ignore your last post.

Main reasoning: you double-posted. That could have a ramification that I don't want to care too much about. I will consider that last part as part of next update for the event. In the future, I would also like to ensure that you wait a bit for others to post before posting ^^;;;

Sorry to limit you like that, dude... I just don't want you to risk running into autoplay and not letting others respond to your post. I know you meant well, but... I don't want any friction between the members ^^;;;

Not a worry I can edit that into my other post if it's going to be a problem, for the most part I didn't think what was an internal affair or char piece wouldn't upset things too much, double posted before and it had been five days since the last post, just means I'll struggle to do shorter posts if I can't post them

Nova what about my activity actually bothers you? I have spent all my time focused on taking the rest of Mongolia. Seriously I just conquered a country and signed a powerful agreement with korea and to a lesser extent what else can I do for you.

I didn't single you out, I named a few people and used Lenyo as a point of comparison.

[Cymrea]

Two weeks with no map update... c'mon Os!

[Western Imperial Union]

Novacom, as a rule of thumb, I am going to ignore your last post.

Main reasoning: you double-posted. That could have a ramification that I don't want to care too much about. I will consider that last part as part of next update for the event. In the future, I would also like to ensure that you wait a bit for others to post before posting ^^;;;

Sorry to limit you like that, dude... I just don't want you to risk running into autoplay and not letting others respond to your post. I know you meant well, but... I don't want any friction between the members ^^;;;

Not a worry I can edit that into my other post if it's going to be a problem, for the most part I didn't think what was an internal affair or char piece wouldn't upset things too much, double posted before and it had been five days since the last post, just means I'll struggle to do shorter posts if I can't post them

Nova what about my activity actually bothers you? I have spent all my time focused on taking the rest of Mongolia. Seriously I just conquered a country and signed a powerful agreement with korea and to a lesser extent what else can I do for you.

I didn't single you out, I named a few people and used Lenyo as a point of comparison.

You did single me out your words were "china and russia need to be more active" then something about me driving the events in asia.... What do you want me to do declare war on my single ally Korea? They are the only ones I'm in a position to fight.... I fail to see what you want me to do.

[Novacom]

Not a worry I can edit that into my other post if it's going to be a problem, for the most part I didn't think what was an internal affair or char piece wouldn't upset things too much, double posted before and it had been five days since the last post, just means I'll struggle to do shorter posts if I can't post them



I didn't single you out, I named a few people and used Lenyo as a point of comparison.

You did single me out your words were "china and russia need to be more active" then something about me driving the events in asia.... What do you want me to do declare war on my single ally Korea? They are the only ones I'm in a position to fight.... I fail to see what you want me to do.

Stop taking everything as a personal attack I said plenty of people were either inactive or need to be more so, of course your going to get some attention in that statement as both of those nations for good or for ill were important players in this era.

[Western Imperial Union]

You did single me out your words were "china and russia need to be more active" then something about me driving the events in asia.... What do you want me to do declare war on my single ally Korea? They are the only ones I'm in a position to fight.... I fail to see what you want me to do.

Stop taking everything as a personal attack I said plenty of people were either inactive or need to be more so, of course your going to get some attention in that statement as both of those nations for good or for ill were important players in this era.

You misunderstand me I literally mean what do you want me to do.... I have conquered Mongolia which thanks to the core territory per 1 RL day conquest rule is completely under my control by next map update, and I have made an agreement with Korea and sorta one with Japan...I don't know what to do.