1850 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][CLOSED]

[Togeria]

I'm just gonna wait it out then.

[Old Tyrannia]

Errr.... two things:

1) The region is under lockdown for an event that is coming... Scramble for Africa, which would be attempt at faithful representation of colonial imperialism in the African Continent. When that happens, every colonial nation as well as those who are roaming around for colonies will have a nearly free reign over the continent and will slice up the region as seen fit.

2) Since... that is the case, I made a prior warning to other African dudes in advance: you have to be SUPER active at those times, because colonial nations, in order for realism, are going to be able to outright conquer African lands... including yours. As much as I am for fun>realism, the idea is that colonial nations go ape-wall over colonialism, and they carve up everything in the path.

It is sort of considered a grand-finale to the colonialism, from which the world will be completely filled and everyone has their territories. Unfortunately... this means that any African nations in the region will be devastated. Westernized or not, practically every major power in the world will be gunning straight into your territory. And as a event-maker, I would have to make decisions without bias... which would mean that African nations besieged at all sides would have to give up land consistently.

I don't want to submit anyone to that faith, and thus I have been a bit hesitant to give those region. If you have ideas on how you are going to either avoid this or be active enough to attempt to fight off the colonial powers... let me know. Otherwise... I would like to keep the region sealed ^^;;;

That's a bugger in itself. Cause I had full knowledge of something like this happening, and wanted to be taken over just so in the best case scenario I could be forced to westernized, but there's also the very real possibility of someone just coming in and taking the resources.

Damn and who ever is Japan or China already took Korea right? What about in Iberia?

You might want to actually take a look at the map. OP is Korea, it's neither Chinese nor Japanese. But yes, it is taken.

[Oscalantine]

You might want to actually take a look at the map. OP is Korea, it's neither Chinese nor Japanese. But yes, it is taken.

Indeed. Korea is actually a thing here atm XDDDD

Since the new guy is floating... again, unless he wants to be Belgium, I should ask around and see who is inactive again. I think we have everyone, but I have a sinking feeling that we may have lost India. As much as I would LOVE to give India to the dogs (Scramble for India, anyone?), I will allow the new guy to have the nation rather than having some colonial settlement for everyone who already has TOO much land XDDD

Btw, Japan, what would be your nation Hetalia-wise? What would your nation's relations with neighbors be?

[Oscalantine]

Well, befroe the fall of the WRE, Rome became a drunk, a pretty abusive one(taxes), and started to rely more and more on his Gothic foederati to fight with the barbarians. He usually got drunk every night, thinking about his periods of glory.

Eventually, his foederati backstabbed him, and kicked him out of his house. He crashed in Lady Greece's house, while the barbarians took his children. Britanny and France by the Franks, and so on. Eventually Rome build a new house, Constantinople, and tried to regain his Empire (under Justinian). He helped his biggest son, Italia to regain his independence, but as Rome was weakened again by the Arabs, Italia rebelled, eventually becoming Christendom.

We need this... animated. Hetalia AD-version, animated. Someone make this happen!!

[Old Tyrannia]

You might want to actually take a look at the map. OP is Korea, it's neither Chinese nor Japanese. But yes, it is taken.

Indeed. Korea is actually a thing here atm XDDDD

Since the new guy is floating... again, unless he wants to be Belgium, I should ask around and see who is inactive again. I think we have everyone, but I have a sinking feeling that we may have lost India. As much as I would LOVE to give India to the dogs (Scramble for India, anyone?), I will allow the new guy to have the nation rather than having some colonial settlement for everyone who already has TOO much land XDDD

Btw, Japan, what would be your nation Hetalia-wise? What would your nation's relations with neighbors be?

Japan would be a quiet, polite young man with a predilection for blades and psychotic tendencies. He is Korea and Cheng's adopted brother, but he has no living blood relatives. His father Tokugawa Shogunate died under mysterious circumstances leaving Nippon-san his entire estate. Nippon-san is very proud of his ancestry and descent from the sun goddess Amaterasu.

[Novacom]

I feel bad because I couldnt read everyone (#see.Novacom)'s posts ^^;;; the event post will be delayed until friday, I believe. Mainly not because of nova, but because of my own irl taking a wee bit of priority T~T.

Have... err.... academic council interview thing. So I have that with calc quiz to take care of tmw, so I am not in the mental shape to read and post. Please forgive meh T0T. Ill be back friday-ish with map update and event post. Again, mostly read and responded... just have a few (#see.Novacom) arent quite read yet XDDDD.

In all seriousness, hetalia-style RP isnt bery hard to respond to. You can bet'cha arse that Imperial Korea is going to be misguided teen that boasts and brags for attention. His "older" (history-wise, a new Korea was forged after its colonies proceeding Imjin War) brother Chuk-Jae-Do would be a smoosh mafia-like dude that carries around scores of pirates XDDD

My apologies for the post bombing haha, I fear though by Friday I''ll have added more to the pile to read

As for the map and activity I can see 6 people on the map who for all intends and purposes seem to be inactive.

[Oscalantine]

Indeed. Korea is actually a thing here atm XDDDD

Since the new guy is floating... again, unless he wants to be Belgium, I should ask around and see who is inactive again. I think we have everyone, but I have a sinking feeling that we may have lost India. As much as I would LOVE to give India to the dogs (Scramble for India, anyone?), I will allow the new guy to have the nation rather than having some colonial settlement for everyone who already has TOO much land XDDD

Btw, Japan, what would be your nation Hetalia-wise? What would your nation's relations with neighbors be?

Japan would be a quiet, polite young man with a predilection for blades and psychotic tendencies. He is Korea and Cheng's adopted brother, but he has no living blood relatives. His father Tokugawa Shogunate died under mysterious circumstances leaving Nippon-san his entire estate. Nippon-san is very proud of his ancestry and descent from the sun goddess Amaterasu.

This will be super interesting to RP with XDDD
Whelp, waiting for that RP to start... I'll take a break from being active in the OOC and start lurking the thread for now... mainly because I have to actually work and study ^^;;;

Nova, who are the 6? I know Benuty is ALWAYS lurking, so I hope it would be 5 besides him. Other than that, if you can give me the list of 5 I'll be able to check if they are actually hiatus and needs a little wake-up call or if they are just slightly busy like I am... because no one can be perfect poster like nova XDDDDD

... in all seriousness, I wonder if you have considered posting in smaller chunks. It is easier to keep track of and I can read it faster that way even if the overall quantity is the same. Please consider ^^?

[Novacom]

Nordic, Austrasia, Saxavahaal, South Africa Netherland and well Benuty was one but you've since said he's lurking.

My next two posts should be a bit smaller, but as you know my posts arn't long because I want them to be, but because I have a lot to pack in, after all I have a lot going on ICly and since after this phase I'll be picking up the chase for Iron Chin I'm setting hooks for that part, tis a very good thing I didn't take the hint to deal with him so quickly

I might be flagging too much as Event but I'd rather play safe than sorry as some things link or will link back in event wise possibly.

Good thing I have this bit to keep me busy haha otherwise I'd be asking for the Panama event to kick off

[Lenyo]

Rome is a middle aged man, who is always, always wearing a military uniform, or an old armor in certain occasions. He is a little bit of a scatterbrain, but when he actually wants to do something, he can do it without great problems. He has a carefree and cheerful personality most of the time, usually cracking jokes and teasing others, but he is extremely disciplined when needed.

When he isn't fighting one of his neighbors, Rome is building monuments or dreaming about his past glory. He also wants to take back all his children and regain his old Empire.

So essentially all his children ran away and Rome is sort of left in the house?

Hmmm... btw, Tracian, I understand that you ARE Rome, but weren't you historically Byzantine at one point in your history? Wouldn't that mean that you are more of an uncle figure rather than full-fledged Papa Rome?

In Hetalia sense, wouldn't that mean that you have custody over your children, but your brother's sons and daughters are unwilling to see you as their new legal guardian... right?

I imagine our old Rome as an old man in a really, really impressive palace. He's super duper nostalgic, and he's always talking about things the young folks jsut don't understand. He'll go on forever about martial glory, but he just isn't as fit as he was in his youth.

[Lenyo]

I'm just gonna wait it out then.

There's plenty of territory available. Half of South America, the interior of Africa (challenge mode), Madagascar, Arabia, Central Asia, and Alaska are all open. Plus more:

Nordic, Austrasia, Saxavahaal, South Africa Netherland and well Benuty was one but you've since said he's lurking.

100% true, and then there's the fact that SB is obviously not part of this RP. We have a lot of avilable territory. We should definitley include Togeria.

Both lists together: Half of South America, the interior of Africa (challenge mode), Madagascar, Arabia, Central Asia, Scandinavia, Autsria-Hungary, and Alaska

[Tracian Empire]

So essentially all his children ran away and Rome is sort of left in the house?

Hmmm... btw, Tracian, I understand that you ARE Rome, but weren't you historically Byzantine at one point in your history? Wouldn't that mean that you are more of an uncle figure rather than full-fledged Papa Rome?

In Hetalia sense, wouldn't that mean that you have custody over your children, but your brother's sons and daughters are unwilling to see you as their new legal guardian... right?

I imagine our old Rome as an old man in a really, really impressive palace. He's super duper nostalgic, and he's always talking about things the young folks jsut don't understand. He'll go on forever about martial glory, but he just isn't as fit as he was in his youth.

Exactly. Why does no one understand that everyone would be happier if they would part of the Imperium.

[Lenyo]

Exactly. Why does no one understand that everyone would be happier if they would part of the Imperium.

It seems so obvious to me. And yet people disagree all the time! Inexplicable

[Oscalantine]

I'm just gonna wait it out then.

There's plenty of territory available. Half of South America, the interior of Africa (challenge mode), Madagascar, Arabia, Central Asia, and Alaska are all open. Plus more:

Nordic, Austrasia, Saxavahaal, South Africa Netherland and well Benuty was one but you've since said he's lurking.

100% true, and then there's the fact that SB is obviously not part of this RP. We have a lot of avilable territory. We should definitley include Togeria.

Both lists together: Half of South America, the interior of Africa (challenge mode), Madagascar, Arabia, Central Asia, Scandinavia, Autsria-Hungary, and Alaska

XDDDD challenge mode.

Hmmm... Arabia... isn't that a MASSIVE handicap now? Basically everywhere BUT Oman in Arabian Peninsula will be landlocked... almost the same goes for Persia. That is more than enough to destroy the mood of RP with the primary mode of transit/trade is sea in this timeframe.

Austria is... yeah, I gotta ask again. Imperial said that she was still in, but that was quite a weeks ago, and I have a feeling that she is becoming more and more busy. Alaska... sure, why not? I gave Cambria Vancouver (I know... that was unheard of and everyone is going to say that I am a flipping HERETIC for giving Cambria that little piece of island when everyone wants that piece of amazing Canada...), so really, there isn't a big land in the western coast that people would care about. That being said, Japan is going to be really hurt that I would give that land to someone else... same goes for Cheng. What is up with everyone and Alaska I may never know.

Same for Panama region. I already understand and I got TG confirmation that SB will not be around anymore. That being said, it is a HOTBED. Everyone... and I don't mean #see.Novacom... wants that land. If I give it to anyone, they will start a flipping riot and oust my throne XDDD. So I am reserving that region for small event. Let everyone fight for it.

Madagascar... someone... think Courland... submitted a colonization post about a day or so back. So it is sort of colonized. However, if Courland is fine without its first major colony, I am alright with folks starting a nation there.

I made a specific point that I am not giving Tibet region unless they know the region and can thrive in it. Mainly because their neighbor is Cheng, India, and Russia... and the region is landlocked 100%. With the issue with minor nations also... I don't want it to be an issue.

That being said... again Belgium is open. I dunno why everyone forgets this... and I will double check India at first availability along with Imperial with her Austria. Nordic disappeared, but that's may just be because we are progressing fast. Same goes for Netherlands. Benuty is Benuty, so until he professes that he has too much work, I won't touch him... unless Lousiana decides he is sick of inactive Benuty and starts spamming my TG box, then I may reconsider ^^

[Oscalantine]

Exactly. Why does no one understand that everyone would be happier if they would part of the Imperium.

It seems so obvious to me. And yet people disagree all the time! Inexplicable

Why is it so difficult to understand?

Children obviously want to experience "being adults." When they learn that they are just unfit to rule themselves, they will come running back to Papa Rome's arms soon enough.

[Lenyo]

Also central Asia, and whatever happened to Russia? We can't have an inactive Russia; in the 19th century they were on of the five great powers. Before the Crimean War, Russia was #2 in the world. And as much as I love Russian history, I can't reasonably RP also as Russia.

[Tracian Empire]

It seems so obvious to me. And yet people disagree all the time! Inexplicable

Why is it so difficult to understand?

Children obviously want to experience "being adults." When they learn that they are just unfit to rule themselves, they will come running back to Papa Rome's arms soon enough.

And it sure worked well. They all fought between themselves. They should come back to Papa Rome and experience the glorious Pax Romana once again.

[Conwy-Shire]

Madagascar... someone... think Courland... submitted a colonization post about a day or so back. So it is sort of colonized. However, if Courland is fine without its first major colony, I am alright with folks starting a nation there.

Yes, 'twas me who submitted that colonisation post, If someone absolutely wanted to RP as a Madagascan nation, I'd happily vacate (I could throw something together about a freak storm, a seasonal hurricane, tidal wave/tsunami whatever); but remember, I've only landed on the green section and I'm not going to move into the highlands anytime soon, in terms of years.

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=353312
Guess what I did?

[Arenumberg]

Californian Confederation, so canonical.

[Togeria]

I should also let you guys know I have school, and will try to be active, but will be more so during the weekend then week.

[Novacom]

There's plenty of territory available. Half of South America, the interior of Africa (challenge mode), Madagascar, Arabia, Central Asia, and Alaska are all open. Plus more:

100% true, and then there's the fact that SB is obviously not part of this RP. We have a lot of avilable territory. We should definitley include Togeria.

Both lists together: Half of South America, the interior of Africa (challenge mode), Madagascar, Arabia, Central Asia, Scandinavia, Autsria-Hungary, and Alaska

XDDDD challenge mode.

Hmmm... Arabia... isn't that a MASSIVE handicap now? Basically everywhere BUT Oman in Arabian Peninsula will be landlocked... almost the same goes for Persia. That is more than enough to destroy the mood of RP with the primary mode of transit/trade is sea in this timeframe.

Austria is... yeah, I gotta ask again. Imperial said that she was still in, but that was quite a weeks ago, and I have a feeling that she is becoming more and more busy. Alaska... sure, why not? I gave Cambria Vancouver (I know... that was unheard of and everyone is going to say that I am a flipping HERETIC for giving Cambria that little piece of island when everyone wants that piece of amazing Canada...), so really, there isn't a big land in the western coast that people would care about. That being said, Japan is going to be really hurt that I would give that land to someone else... same goes for Cheng. What is up with everyone and Alaska I may never know.

Same for Panama region. I already understand and I got TG confirmation that SB will not be around anymore. That being said, it is a HOTBED. Everyone... and I don't mean #see.Novacom... wants that land. If I give it to anyone, they will start a flipping riot and oust my throne XDDD. So I am reserving that region for small event. Let everyone fight for it.

Madagascar... someone... think Courland... submitted a colonization post about a day or so back. So it is sort of colonized. However, if Courland is fine without its first major colony, I am alright with folks starting a nation there.

I made a specific point that I am not giving Tibet region unless they know the region and can thrive in it. Mainly because their neighbor is Cheng, India, and Russia... and the region is landlocked 100%. With the issue with minor nations also... I don't want it to be an issue.

That being said... again Belgium is open. I dunno why everyone forgets this... and I will double check India at first availability along with Imperial with her Austria. Nordic disappeared, but that's may just be because we are progressing fast. Same goes for Netherlands. Benuty is Benuty, so until he professes that he has too much work, I won't touch him... unless Lousiana decides he is sick of inactive Benuty and starts spamming my TG box, then I may reconsider ^^

I have a bad feeling about this, my name is being mentioned a lot I almost feel as if I'm being eased into something unpleasant, and I'm not the world's best poster I just try hard

To be fair I think that actual people should have priority over colonies unless it's an extension of their homeland, and yes I would be somewhat angry if the panama region were opened up but I am indeed looking forward to that event you promised as a compromise though given I now have the southern and south western sections of the Caribbean as an exclusion zone to all but myself as a result I think I shall have a leg up for then

I think to be quite honest the reason for the low activity is well the event doesn't touch everybody and in some cases the neighbours don't do anything, like Louisiana is kinda boned because Benuty is just lurking, and you've yet to approve Aren as his new neighbour, Europe is stagnant because it's all allied up and Russia is sporadically active, Asia has some activity but is hamstring IMO by Cheng not being as active as they should.

Russia and China need to be VERY active and Europe to be fair should be squabbling, as it is we're highly dependent on the events for activity and will likely be dependent on them in general

[Oscalantine]

I have a bad feeling about this, my name is being mentioned a lot I almost feel as if I'm being eased into something unpleasant, and I'm not the world's best poster I just try hard

To be fair I think that actual people should have priority over colonies unless it's an extension of their homeland, and yes I would be somewhat angry if the panama region were opened up but I am indeed looking forward to that event you promised as a compromise though given I now have the southern and south western sections of the Caribbean as an exclusion zone to all but myself as a result I think I shall have a leg up for then

I think to be quite honest the reason for the low activity is well the event doesn't touch everybody and in some cases the neighbours don't do anything, like Louisiana is kinda boned because Benuty is just lurking, and you've yet to approve Aren as his new neighbour, Europe is stagnant because it's all allied up and Russia is sporadically active, Asia has some activity but is hamstring IMO by Cheng not being as active as they should.

Russia and China need to be VERY active and Europe to be fair should be squabbling, as it is we're highly dependent on the events for activity and will likely be dependent on them in general

XDDDD it is just going to be a meme. I like #see.Novacom. It makes everything sound so... errr... epic XDDD

In all seriousness, our current activity is not bad. It is just that our activity is slowed from cheetah to human pace. This RP had SUCH a massive support and love during the summer that what I thought was going to be a month-long RP to sate my AH-RP needs have spilled over to months of sprawling RP with Hetalia sub-RP of all things XDDD. I am sincerely grateful for everyone here. You made my RP into such a runaway success ^^

Anyhow... that being said... that's why I have been asking folks to be a colonial power... and why I have been hesitant on allowing more minor or isolated nations. Majority of then event planned during 1850 is necessarily a colonial thing... be it a new way to colonize that opens a MASSIVE FLOODGATE of new regions to colonize (like machine guns and better medication which allowed Scramble for Africa IRL) or a side effect of colonization (that... Lenyo-desired great recession that is planned for sometime in the future). Those without a major colonial nation is kinda left out of these major events.

Because I am not yet of great host, I cannot cater to everyone's needs T~T. Basically I know my limits and my shortcomings as rather mediocre OP and have been warning folks against this being a problem.

... that being said, I understand that some nations do need a bit of switch. Personally, Louisiana was never "boned" at any time. It could have had a jolly time with its mother France and jumped into the Caribbean grab at any time... it was more or less content to stay in the sidelines. I do agree, though, that Russia needs a bit more of activity, and I'll be asking Kosovo alongside India dude for confirmation as to whether they are busy or not. Because technically, if Australia and Russia was an active RPers, they can effectively counter AEGIS by creating a counter coalition with Rome, creating a powerhouse of manpower that can simply dwarf Western technology. Machine gun still isn't a big thing... and even when it was, it didn't help US from being overrun by Chinese during Korean War XDDD.

... Cheng? He is active... again, your definition of active does not apply XDDDD. I learned that the hard way when Quendi was only gone for two days and I spazzed about it. Quendi gave me a nice lecture on definition of timeliness ^^

[Novacom]

I have a bad feeling about this, my name is being mentioned a lot I almost feel as if I'm being eased into something unpleasant, and I'm not the world's best poster I just try hard

To be fair I think that actual people should have priority over colonies unless it's an extension of their homeland, and yes I would be somewhat angry if the panama region were opened up but I am indeed looking forward to that event you promised as a compromise though given I now have the southern and south western sections of the Caribbean as an exclusion zone to all but myself as a result I think I shall have a leg up for then

I think to be quite honest the reason for the low activity is well the event doesn't touch everybody and in some cases the neighbours don't do anything, like Louisiana is kinda boned because Benuty is just lurking, and you've yet to approve Aren as his new neighbour, Europe is stagnant because it's all allied up and Russia is sporadically active, Asia has some activity but is hamstring IMO by Cheng not being as active as they should.

Russia and China need to be VERY active and Europe to be fair should be squabbling, as it is we're highly dependent on the events for activity and will likely be dependent on them in general

XDDDD it is just going to be a meme. I like #see.Novacom. It makes everything sound so... errr... epic XDDD

In all seriousness, our current activity is not bad. It is just that our activity is slowed from cheetah to human pace. This RP had SUCH a massive support and love during the summer that what I thought was going to be a month-long RP to sate my AH-RP needs have spilled over to months of sprawling RP with Hetalia sub-RP of all things XDDD. I am sincerely grateful for everyone here. You made my RP into such a runaway success ^^

Anyhow... that being said... that's why I have been asking folks to be a colonial power... and why I have been hesitant on allowing more minor or isolated nations. Majority of then event planned during 1850 is necessarily a colonial thing... be it a new way to colonize that opens a MASSIVE FLOODGATE of new regions to colonize (like machine guns and better medication which allowed Scramble for Africa IRL) or a side effect of colonization (that... Lenyo-desired great recession that is planned for sometime in the future). Those without a major colonial nation is kinda left out of these major events.

Because I am not yet of great host, I cannot cater to everyone's needs T~T. Basically I know my limits and my shortcomings as rather mediocre OP and have been warning folks against this being a problem.

... that being said, I understand that some nations do need a bit of switch. Personally, Louisiana was never "boned" at any time. It could have had a jolly time with its mother France and jumped into the Caribbean grab at any time... it was more or less content to stay in the sidelines. I do agree, though, that Russia needs a bit more of activity, and I'll be asking Kosovo alongside India dude for confirmation as to whether they are busy or not. Because technically, if Australia and Russia was an active RPers, they can effectively counter AEGIS by creating a counter coalition with Rome, creating a powerhouse of manpower that can simply dwarf Western technology. Machine gun still isn't a big thing... and even when it was, it didn't help US from being overrun by Chinese during Korean War XDDD.

... Cheng? He is active... again, your definition of active does not apply XDDDD. I learned that the hard way when Quendi was only gone for two days and I spazzed about it. Quendi gave me a nice lecture on definition of timeliness ^^

I didn't mention Quendi, as South America is as active as it needs to be, not much is going on there as Brazil and Argentina are allied, Cheng needs to be MORE active is my point as China is a major player who for good or ill would drive activity in Asia, as for Louisiana, well it's literally the whole join in with France, which has now fallen through, I foresee more activity in that area though when The Gulf of Mexico is renamed the Gulf of Aztlan

To be fair we've discussed AEGIS and it likely fracturing but there would need to be IC circumstances for it to occur which in itself would drive activity.

Oh and someone mentioned Belgium, that's kind of being vetoed by Helghan who is inhaling it gently.

I do look forward to wrapping up the event in my area and laying groundwork for the Panama one

[Conwy-Shire]

I do look forward to wrapping up the event in my area and laying groundwork for the Panama one

I wonder if Courland could stake a claim, but I'm still waiting on Helghan

[Novacom]

I do look forward to wrapping up the event in my area and laying groundwork for the Panama one

I wonder if Courland could stake a claim, but I'm still waiting on Helghan

Good luck with that, the entire area has been declared off limits to any naval vessels not mine intruders will be sank on sight, Panama shall be mine!